It's the same age as the Excelsior (which is availible at tier 5).
Thanks for the expansion that had "as much content as the last"
9 Episodes = 30+ episodes...?
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It's pronounced "S.T.O." "Stow" sounds idiotic! lol
And the Miranda's in-game "sister" ships, the Centaur and ShiKahr are fairly recent designs. So, there is no reason for the lack of a Tier 5 "light cruiser".
It's funny you should mention the Centaur, which is actually a variant of the Excelsior! Tier 5 it (along with the Miranda of course)!
Thanks for the expansion that had "as much content as the last"
9 Episodes = 30+ episodes...?
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It's pronounced "S.T.O." "Stow" sounds idiotic! lol
It's the same age as the Excelsior (which is availible at tier 5).
To be true the Miranda class is older than the Excelsior class, but when the Klingons can use the B'rel design from the 23rd century until 25th so Starfleet can use the design of the Miranda class.
To be true the Miranda class is older than the Excelsior class, but when the Klingons can use the B'rel design from the 23rd century until 25th so Starfleet can use the design of the Miranda class.
It might be older, but only by a few years. And you make an excellent point about the B'rel.
Thanks for the expansion that had "as much content as the last"
9 Episodes = 30+ episodes...?
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It's pronounced "S.T.O." "Stow" sounds idiotic! lol
Excelsior, Miranda, and Ambassador, especially the Miranda, belong at levels 1 to 29...end of story. These ships are out of date. Make way for new designs.
Unless those new designs are actual ones from a movie or show I would rather see actual Star Trek ships in the game more. I know I am not the only one.
Why someone does not want to see more actual Star Trek ships in a Star Trek game I will never understand. Just because they are old designs does not mean they are not effective. Starfleet has used multiple 23rd century ships for a long time and their is a reason. They are reliable and still effective when upgraded as they have been over the years in Star Trek. Why should the game not resemble Star Trek in that way?
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Unless those new designs are actual ones from a movie or show I would rather see actual Star Trek ships in the game more. I know I am not the only one.
Why someone does not want to see more actual Star Trek ships in a Star Trek game I will never understand. Just because they are old designs does not mean they are not effective. Starfleet has used multiple 23rd century ships for a long time and their is a reason. They are reliable and still effective when upgraded as they have been over the years in Star Trek. Why should the game not resemble Star Trek in that way?
yeah in defence for the old ships here. it was in ds9. not much but it was. another prime example of retrofit ships still being used is with the excelsior. it's in homefront or paradise lost. ds9 season 4. it was noted then it had been massively upgraded. so there is nothing to say an old ship can't still be in service after being upgraded.
personally I would rather they put factional retrofits in lockboxes instead of ships that factions shouldn't be flying.
To be true the Miranda class is older than the Excelsior class, but when the Klingons can use the B'rel design from the 23rd century until 25th so Starfleet can use the design of the Miranda class.
Actually, there's an even worse example: The Romulan T5 Bird of Prey (T'varo) is from the ENT Enterprise era, another what, 100 years? before the B'rel and Miranda.
That said, I'm not particularly interested in t5 Miranda. I'd rather see new ships and new designs. There are plenty of them out there. You can also kitbash an Armitage (using Akira hull/strut) to create a "new-style" (Sovereign-era) Miranda. (Saucer+Rollbar+lower engines)
Unless those new designs are actual ones from a movie or show I would rather see actual Star Trek ships in the game more. I know I am not the only one.
Why someone does not want to see more actual Star Trek ships in a Star Trek game I will never understand. Just because they are old designs does not mean they are not effective. Starfleet has used multiple 23rd century ships for a long time and their is a reason. They are reliable and still effective when upgraded as they have been over the years in Star Trek. Why should the game not resemble Star Trek in that way?
You can polish a TRIBBLE, but it is still a TRIBBLE.
I have nothing against Trek ships. The fact is, is that these ships are old. Proven, but old. You can keep upgrading them, but you eventually reach a point where you reach the limits of how far you can push a design. Building a ship around current technology is a lot easier than cramming new technology into an out of date ship.
I would much rather see a C-Store set of frigates that are cutting edge, fresh off the drawing board, with prototype tech. They should not be Mirandas, but something totally new. New design, new hull, the works.
When you see THIS and THIS - The Miranada belongs in the moth ball fleet, and nothing more. Even after all the dominion war upgrades, such as the widespread use of Ablative armor, the Miranda was still a piece of junk.
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NX (in "E2", "Azati Prime")
Constitution (Lexington and others)
Miranda (Reliant)
BoP (ST4)
BoP (ST6)
Galaxy (USS Yamato)
K'Vort-class BoP ("Yesterday's Enterprise")
Galaxy ("Cause and Effect")
Vor'cha (KCW)
Miranda (Lantree)
Bop (ST:G)
Galaxy (Odyssey)
Miranda (2 in "Sacrifice of Angels" at least)
Miranda (at least 1 in the Battle of Chin'toka)
Defiant (Battle of Chin'toka system, the second)
Galors (countless in "Sacrifice of Angels", et al)
JHAS (Countless throughout the war)
BoP (Ramming scenes)
Vor'cha (Ramming scenes)
JHAS (Ramming scenes)
D'Deridex Warbird (attacked by Prometheus)
Defiant ("Valiant")
Saber (ST:FC)
Steamrunner (ST:FC)
Sovereign (ST:N)
Scimitar (ST:N)
Norexan-class warbirds (2 in ST:N)
There are countless more, but consistently, the Miranda class has been blown up quite a bit, on par with BoPs.
Even in JJTrek, his equivalent of Mirandas are pummeled to pieces in the reboot Trek movie.
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You can polish a TRIBBLE, but it is still a TRIBBLE.
I have nothing against Trek ships. The fact is, is that these ships are old. Proven, but old. You can keep upgrading them, but you eventually reach a point where you reach the limits of how far you can push a design. Building a ship around current technology is a lot easier than cramming new technology into an out of date ship.
I would much rather see a C-Store set of frigates that are cutting edge, fresh off the drawing board, with prototype tech. They should not be Mirandas, but something totally new. New design, new hull, the works.
When you see THIS and THIS - The Miranada belongs in the moth ball fleet, and nothing more. Even after all the dominion war upgrades, such as the widespread use of Ablative armor, the Miranda was still a piece of junk.
A TRIBBLE vs. a old proven design of something useful and it still works good oh what a stupid comparison.
Yes their are limits that something can be upgraded but no one knows what the limits are until you get their. Miranda,Oberth,Excelsior,and K'Tinga are all 23rd century ships that have been in service well into the 24th Century in Star Trek. Why? Because like I said they are still good ships that do a good job after being upgraded. Once again why not have the game resemble Star Trek more in that way?
Make a tier 5 Miranda it is easy to do and would make them money from people who want to fly actual Star Trek ships in a Star Trek game. It is a win win situation for everyone.
Yes their have been Miranda Class ships destroying during the Domion War and easily from what we could see but so had other ships. Their have been Jem'Hadar Attack ships that have been destroy by a single Torpedo from what I recall seeing in a episode of DS9 does that mean they are junk as well?
Ok so you would rather see stuff made for the game then actual Star Trek ships but why can't we have both?
a tier 5 miranda class light cruiser/frigate would be welcomed sight to the ranks of max level in sto and could be made to almost match the fire power of the defiant class with a bit more focus on engineering/science officers and consoles.
a tier 5 miranda class light cruiser/frigate would be welcomed sight to the ranks of max level in sto and could be made to almost match the fire power of the defiant class with a bit more focus on engineering/science officers and consoles.
You're joking, right? The Miranda, set up to do equivalent damage of a 100-year-newer starship designed for war?
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A TRIBBLE vs. a old proven design of something useful and it still works good oh what a stupid comparison.
Yes their are limits that something can be upgraded but no one knows what the limits are until you get their. Miranda,Oberth,Excelsior,and K'Tinga are all 23rd century ships that have been in service well into the 24th Century in Star Trek. Why? Because like I said they are still good ships that do a good job after being upgraded. Once again why not have the game resemble Star Trek more in that way?
Make a tier 5 Miranda it is easy to do and would make them money from people who want to fly actual Star Trek ships in a Star Trek game. It is a win win situation for everyone.
Yes their have been Miranda Class ships destroying during the Domion War and easily from what we could see but so had other ships. Their have been Jem'Hadar Attack ships that have been destroy by a single Torpedo from what I recall seeing in a episode of DS9 does that mean they are junk as well?
Ok so you would rather see stuff made for the game then actual Star Trek ships but why can't we have both?
Anything the Miranda can do, a Galaxy, Sovereign, Defiant, Odyssey or Intrepid can do better, at least according to the lore. In war, ships get destroyed, but the first ship to always get destroyed, most often on Camera, is the Miranda. All it took was a single phaser blast to put a hole right through it. The Galaxy, on the other hand, could have the front end of the star drive destroyed and it could still be going. The Miranda is at the limits of its capabilities by the Dominion war, and it will not get any better because it is in the year 2409.
However, lets ignore all of that, and pretend that a Dev came into this thread and asked you the following question:
"How would you like us to spec the T5 Miranda"
I want to know what your answer is, and the answer of every Miranda supporter.
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^This would be how the Miranda would perform ingame. Can do scientific things (TWoK etc), but is tactically inclined.
Of course, no one would buy this ship. Why? Because it is too old.
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Anything the Miranda can do, a Galaxy, Sovereign, Defiant, Odyssey or Intrepid can do better, at least according to the lore. In war, ships get destroyed, but the first ship to always get destroyed, most often on Camera, is the Miranda. All it took was a single phaser blast to put a hole right through it. The Galaxy, on the other hand, could have the front end of the star drive destroyed and it could still be going. The Miranda is at the limits of its capabilities by the Dominion war, and it will not get any better because it is in the year 2409.
However, lets ignore all of that, and pretend that a Dev came into this thread and asked you the following question:
"How would you like us to spec the T5 Miranda"
I want to know what your answer is, and the answer of every Miranda supporter.
Not everything. A Galaxy can't maneuver better then a Miranda for example.
Yes they show Miranda Class being destroyed more then some other ships so what?
Yes we have seen a Phaser blast destroy a Miranda easily but a Jem'Hadar attack ship has been seen to be blown away by a single torpedo before.
You do not know the limits a Miranda has.
In the game you have ships just as old at tier 5 heck even the K'Tinga a older ship design has a Tier 5 fleet ship.
Once again why should the game not resemble Star Trek by having a Miranda be useful as are older ships still are?
Why are you so against having a tier 5 Miranda?
I am not sure how I would spec a tier 5 Miranda that is something I would need to think about for a wile.
Case and point...T5 Miranda does not work. It is TOO MUCH of a stretch.
Captain Charlie Reynolds, commanding officer of the USS Centaur, a Miranda VARIANT since this game launched, was a key player in the Dominion War, and was able to go toe to toe with a JHAS, the best statted ship in all of STO.
So no, it's not a stretch at all. Deep Space Nine had the Centaur stand tall and kick butt. Against a ship that this game has seen fit to make one of the most powerful in the galaxy.
So a T5 Fleet Variant of the Miranda with a special Centaur Skin paying homage to Captain Reynolds in much the same way this game decided to beef up and pay homage to the Lakota, would not be a stretch. At all.
This was my proposed idea for it, granted some of the numbers are a bit 'off' really in truth when it comes down to it (Was tired and a little bit drunk). However, that's the beauty of a 'concept' it can be changed and adjusted as needed to better fit the original idea as well as the existing ships of the game. As for those who say that the Miranda is 'too old' a design to be brought into a T-5 version, bull****. After all, KDF has a Retrofit and Fleet Retrofit B'rel and those have been around as long if not longer than the Miranda Class Starship. Not only that but the 'K'tinga' or 'D-7 Battlecruiser' to TOS vets for the most part is even older a design, but was still in use, on screen, during episodes in the TNG era and holding it's own as a design. http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?p=11361381#post11361381
To be true the Miranda class is older than the Excelsior class, but when the Klingons can use the B'rel design from the 23rd century until 25th so Starfleet can use the design of the Miranda class.
See...Klingons find something they like and they keep using it...they upgrade it...the BoP's of the 25th century aren't identical to the BoP's of the 23rd century or the 22nd. Starfleet on the other hand likes to move onto bigger and better things and are always striving to improve.
Going back to all of these old ships...most of which have been abandoned more than a century ago is contradictory to what Starfleet does...but I suppose if any of the old ships make sense getting a t5 it is the Miranda since it is officially in use even today.
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It's the same age as the Excelsior (which is availible at tier 5).
9 Episodes = 30+ episodes...?
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It's pronounced "S.T.O." "Stow" sounds idiotic! lol
It's funny you should mention the Centaur, which is actually a variant of the Excelsior! Tier 5 it (along with the Miranda of course)!
9 Episodes = 30+ episodes...?
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It's pronounced "S.T.O." "Stow" sounds idiotic! lol
To be true the Miranda class is older than the Excelsior class, but when the Klingons can use the B'rel design from the 23rd century until 25th so Starfleet can use the design of the Miranda class.
It might be older, but only by a few years. And you make an excellent point about the B'rel.
9 Episodes = 30+ episodes...?
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It's pronounced "S.T.O." "Stow" sounds idiotic! lol
Unless those new designs are actual ones from a movie or show I would rather see actual Star Trek ships in the game more. I know I am not the only one.
Why someone does not want to see more actual Star Trek ships in a Star Trek game I will never understand. Just because they are old designs does not mean they are not effective. Starfleet has used multiple 23rd century ships for a long time and their is a reason. They are reliable and still effective when upgraded as they have been over the years in Star Trek. Why should the game not resemble Star Trek in that way?
http://ex-astris-scientia.org/articles/ds9tm.htm#centaur
Not a variant. A kitbash.
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yeah in defence for the old ships here. it was in ds9. not much but it was. another prime example of retrofit ships still being used is with the excelsior. it's in homefront or paradise lost. ds9 season 4. it was noted then it had been massively upgraded. so there is nothing to say an old ship can't still be in service after being upgraded.
personally I would rather they put factional retrofits in lockboxes instead of ships that factions shouldn't be flying.
Actually, there's an even worse example: The Romulan T5 Bird of Prey (T'varo) is from the ENT Enterprise era, another what, 100 years? before the B'rel and Miranda.
That said, I'm not particularly interested in t5 Miranda. I'd rather see new ships and new designs. There are plenty of them out there. You can also kitbash an Armitage (using Akira hull/strut) to create a "new-style" (Sovereign-era) Miranda. (Saucer+Rollbar+lower engines)
You can polish a TRIBBLE, but it is still a TRIBBLE.
I have nothing against Trek ships. The fact is, is that these ships are old. Proven, but old. You can keep upgrading them, but you eventually reach a point where you reach the limits of how far you can push a design. Building a ship around current technology is a lot easier than cramming new technology into an out of date ship.
I would much rather see a C-Store set of frigates that are cutting edge, fresh off the drawing board, with prototype tech. They should not be Mirandas, but something totally new. New design, new hull, the works.
When you see THIS and THIS - The Miranada belongs in the moth ball fleet, and nothing more. Even after all the dominion war upgrades, such as the widespread use of Ablative armor, the Miranda was still a piece of junk.
Galaxy class
Excelsior class:
Akira class:
Vor'cha class:
D'deridex class:
Don't forget:
NX (in "E2", "Azati Prime")
Constitution (Lexington and others)
Miranda (Reliant)
BoP (ST4)
BoP (ST6)
Galaxy (USS Yamato)
K'Vort-class BoP ("Yesterday's Enterprise")
Galaxy ("Cause and Effect")
Vor'cha (KCW)
Miranda (Lantree)
Bop (ST:G)
Galaxy (Odyssey)
Miranda (2 in "Sacrifice of Angels" at least)
Miranda (at least 1 in the Battle of Chin'toka)
Defiant (Battle of Chin'toka system, the second)
Galors (countless in "Sacrifice of Angels", et al)
JHAS (Countless throughout the war)
BoP (Ramming scenes)
Vor'cha (Ramming scenes)
JHAS (Ramming scenes)
D'Deridex Warbird (attacked by Prometheus)
Defiant ("Valiant")
Saber (ST:FC)
Steamrunner (ST:FC)
Sovereign (ST:N)
Scimitar (ST:N)
Norexan-class warbirds (2 in ST:N)
There are countless more, but consistently, the Miranda class has been blown up quite a bit, on par with BoPs.
Even in JJTrek, his equivalent of Mirandas are pummeled to pieces in the reboot Trek movie.
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A TRIBBLE vs. a old proven design of something useful and it still works good oh what a stupid comparison.
Yes their are limits that something can be upgraded but no one knows what the limits are until you get their. Miranda,Oberth,Excelsior,and K'Tinga are all 23rd century ships that have been in service well into the 24th Century in Star Trek. Why? Because like I said they are still good ships that do a good job after being upgraded. Once again why not have the game resemble Star Trek more in that way?
Make a tier 5 Miranda it is easy to do and would make them money from people who want to fly actual Star Trek ships in a Star Trek game. It is a win win situation for everyone.
Yes their have been Miranda Class ships destroying during the Domion War and easily from what we could see but so had other ships. Their have been Jem'Hadar Attack ships that have been destroy by a single Torpedo from what I recall seeing in a episode of DS9 does that mean they are junk as well?
Ok so you would rather see stuff made for the game then actual Star Trek ships but why can't we have both?
You're joking, right? The Miranda, set up to do equivalent damage of a 100-year-newer starship designed for war?
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Anything the Miranda can do, a Galaxy, Sovereign, Defiant, Odyssey or Intrepid can do better, at least according to the lore. In war, ships get destroyed, but the first ship to always get destroyed, most often on Camera, is the Miranda. All it took was a single phaser blast to put a hole right through it. The Galaxy, on the other hand, could have the front end of the star drive destroyed and it could still be going. The Miranda is at the limits of its capabilities by the Dominion war, and it will not get any better because it is in the year 2409.
However, lets ignore all of that, and pretend that a Dev came into this thread and asked you the following question:
"How would you like us to spec the T5 Miranda"
I want to know what your answer is, and the answer of every Miranda supporter.
Fore: 3 weapons
Aft: 2 weapons
Device slots: 3
Engi consoles: 1
Sci consoles: 2
Tac consoles: 3
Boff setup: LtCmdr Tac, Lt Eng, Lt Sci, Ens Sci
^This would be how the Miranda would perform ingame. Can do scientific things (TWoK etc), but is tactically inclined.
Of course, no one would buy this ship. Why? Because it is too old.
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Television/Movies and the game are completely different animals.
And the Miranda was designed at a time when Starfleet vessels were expected to be able to fight, as well as explore.
Not everything. A Galaxy can't maneuver better then a Miranda for example.
Yes they show Miranda Class being destroyed more then some other ships so what?
Yes we have seen a Phaser blast destroy a Miranda easily but a Jem'Hadar attack ship has been seen to be blown away by a single torpedo before.
You do not know the limits a Miranda has.
In the game you have ships just as old at tier 5 heck even the K'Tinga a older ship design has a Tier 5 fleet ship.
Once again why should the game not resemble Star Trek by having a Miranda be useful as are older ships still are?
Why are you so against having a tier 5 Miranda?
I am not sure how I would spec a tier 5 Miranda that is something I would need to think about for a wile.
Not because it is to old but because that is not something that resembles a tier 5 ship.
This.
I would expect no less than a copy and paste job of the Star Cruiser.
That, in itself, would be dumb as that would be an OP Miranda.
Case and point...T5 Miranda does not work. It is TOO MUCH of a stretch.
Tier: 5
Type: Cruiser
Hull: 37,000
Shield Modifier: 1
Weapons: 4 Forward 3 Aft (Can equip dual cannons.)
Crew: 200
Bridge Officers: Commander Engineer , Lt. Commander Tactical , Lt. Science , Lt. Engineer , Ensign Science
Device Slots: 2
Consoles: 3 Tactical 3 Engineering 3 Science
Turn Rate: 11.4
Impulse Modifier: 0.20
Inertia rating: 50
Bonus Power: +5 all power levels
http://sto.gamepedia.com/Light_Cruiser
http://sto.gamepedia.com/Advanced_Heavy_Cruiser_Retrofit
I used those 2 links to help come up with what I think a Miranda could be at tier 5
It would have some advantages and disadvantages over the Excelsior
Captain Charlie Reynolds, commanding officer of the USS Centaur, a Miranda VARIANT since this game launched, was a key player in the Dominion War, and was able to go toe to toe with a JHAS, the best statted ship in all of STO.
So no, it's not a stretch at all. Deep Space Nine had the Centaur stand tall and kick butt. Against a ship that this game has seen fit to make one of the most powerful in the galaxy.
So a T5 Fleet Variant of the Miranda with a special Centaur Skin paying homage to Captain Reynolds in much the same way this game decided to beef up and pay homage to the Lakota, would not be a stretch. At all.
/end debate
If you don't like the ship don't use her, I personally can't stand none canon ships but I accept that other people like them and fly them.
Edit: I own every ship in the game.
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?p=11361381#post11361381
See...Klingons find something they like and they keep using it...they upgrade it...the BoP's of the 25th century aren't identical to the BoP's of the 23rd century or the 22nd. Starfleet on the other hand likes to move onto bigger and better things and are always striving to improve.
Going back to all of these old ships...most of which have been abandoned more than a century ago is contradictory to what Starfleet does...but I suppose if any of the old ships make sense getting a t5 it is the Miranda since it is officially in use even today.