Wow then...I was being moody and anti-LoR earlier, but got caught up in the torp discussion thing. I had no idea that this was lurking out there. Um, wow...that's uh - well, I think I said I figured it would be Leech/Emission in another thread earlier today...but still, wow - the rest - um...hrmm...yeah, I'm going to smoke. That's just way too much stuff to process.
Well, IMO that is awesome. Although I play KDF exclusively over the last year, with the Romulan faction, I was planning to go FED since I can get equipment for less, BOs for less, better missions, and get access to our Tier 5 starbase on the FED side (our Klingon starbase is only Tier 4 since so few play KDF.
It wasn't listed in the blog, but this is another item that's a possible prize in the box:
Genetic Resequencer: One of four new Traits, each packaged with one free Trait Respec. Each captain may only unpack each Trait a single time, after which time it will remain a permanent option they may select when choosing their Traits.
Helmsman - Space Trait:
+10% Flight Turn Rate
Evasive Maneuvers cooldown reduced by 10sec
Precise - Space Trait:
+25% Accuracy vs. Small Targets (Torpedoes, Mines, Fighters, etc.)
Conduit - Ground Trait:
Extra Shield Heal when using Shield Charges.
Extra Damage Bonus when using Power Cells.
Disassembler - Ground Trait:
+10% Damage vs. Non-Living Targets (Turrets, Holograms, etc.)
There will be a a FAQ posted shortly that details the full contents of potential prizes of the Tal Shiar Lock Box
Ugh. At least only one of those traits is highly desirable for space PvP
that was my knee jerk, but 10% of a base 16 is just 1.6 extra for example. high end turn consoles come with at least +35%. this isnt the same as 10% more acc or 10 more defense. unless its 10% on final adjusted turn rate, but theres no way right?
that was my knee jerk, but 10% of a base 16 is just 1.6 extra for example. high end turn consoles come with at least +35%. this isnt the same as 10% more acc or 10 more defense. unless its 10% on final adjusted turn rate, but theres no way right?
diminishing returns also applies
Play my missions on Holodeck! Return of Ja'Dok Series (6 Part Series) Enemy of the Exile Series (4 Part Series) Task Force Ja'Dok Series (3 Part Series)
I have an Andorian Khyzon with 5x Phased Tet DHC, Tet Glider and 4x Embassy Mk XII flow cap console. Tomorrow I get Plasmonic Leech on top of that. My biggest concern is whether to sacrifice a flow cap or a RCS console for it, lol.
Regarding Elite Fleet Disruptors vs. Nanite Disruptors:
The difference between Elite Fleet Disruptors and Nanite Disruptors is a little hard to see on the surface, but it's actually a very important distinction.
The Elite Fleet Disruptor proc causes the enemy's shields to take more damage when they absorb energy weapon fire.
The Nanite Disruptor proc causes the enemy's shields to absorb less damage, allowing a larger percentage to directly affect the target's hull.
The problem is a lot of people think it's the drain that's OP. Other than when it was broken last year for a bit, it's always been the gain. Getting +25 power to all systems w/synergy w/tet glider and polarons/tetryons is the OP part. At least raiders (which could make the most of it w/they're 3 sci slots, decent console slot layout) are squishy, have 1-2 less tac consoles, and use 1-2 less weapon slots (in some cases they'll have 1 less sci console slot).
It also negates the drawback of the Romulan BCs. They really should've capped the gain to 10 power and restricted it to Raiders.
The timing is what really is a surprise. Figured they'd given the KDF the summer w/leech b4 giving it to Feds to try and keep 1 of the few reasons to roll/ally KDF. Not surprising though it's a p2w game and Feds have the most payers .... er players.
Its not just the 'gain'
Its both the Gain and the drain, its the offset (between two players) that puts a powerlevel difference starting at 0 to 32~ish points per system so thats x4 128 points difference just by adding a console.
Thats quite alot for a total power of around 300 with just 1 console.
Sorry numbers might be a bit off but u get the picture. Anyway just stating some stuff no Cryin or something, it will actually make game more balanced again although im sure this is painful for the poor kdfs.
(I never used plasmonic leech on kdf tho because it serves very little purpose on my hit'n run bop but i have it.)
that was my knee jerk, but 10% of a base 16 is just 1.6 extra for example. high end turn consoles come with at least +35%. this isnt the same as 10% more acc or 10 more defense. unless its 10% on final adjusted turn rate, but theres no way right?
Honestly, the big thing is 10s reduction to evasive, but even without that I'd rather have a 10% boost to turn rate than a few space passives.
Honestly, the big thing is 10s reduction to evasive, but even without that I'd rather have a 10% boost to turn rate than a few space passives.
10s reduction to evasive, 2x new EPtE, 3x evasive Conn Doffs, deuterium...good luck hitting that. And I think there's a console or two that I'm forgetting.
Llaihr Class
Faction: Federation, Klingon or Romulan
Rank Required: Rear Admiral, Brigadier General or Subadmiral I
Availability: Tal Shiar Lock Box
Hull Strength: 39,000
Shield Modifier: 1.1
Crew: 1200
Weapons: 4 Fore, 3 Aft
Device Slots: 3
Bridge Officer Stations: COM tac LTC sci LT uni
LT uni ENS tac
Console Modifications: 4 Tactical, 3 Engineering, 3 Science
Base Turn Rate: 11 degrees per second
Impulse Modifier: 0.18
+10 Weapon Subsystems, +5 Engine Subsystems, +5 Shield Subsystems
Can Load Cannons
Adapted Cloaking Device
Sensor Analysis
Console ? Universal ? Shrapnel Torpedo Launcher
i like battle cruisers and all, but not with full on escort station setups. i need plentiful eng to make up for that low turn rate and low impulse mod. a good old Dhelan spanks the TRIBBLE of this slow thing. ~5k extra hull wont save it. id put my kamarang, ktinga, or even negvar up against this thing with confidence any day.
so great job ship guys! keep making lockbox ships strange and not necessarily OP!
Khnial Class
Faction: Federation, Klingon or Romulan
Rank Required: Rear Admiral, Brigadier General or Subadmiral I
Availability: Lobi Crystal Store
Hull Strength: 42,000
Shield Modifier: 1.3
Crew: 1500
Weapons: 4 Fore, 4 Aft
Device Slots: 4
Bridge Officer Stations: COM uni LTC sci LT tac LT eng ENS uni
Console Modifications: 3 Tactical, 4 Engineering, 3 Science
Base Turn Rate: 7 degrees per second
Impulse Modifier: 0.15
+10 Shield Subsystems, +10 Auxiliary Subsystems
Can Load Cannons
Adapted Cloaking Device
Sensor Analysis
Console ? Universal ? Indoctrination Nanite Dispersal System
now this is 1 hell of a pve ship. its sorta like the flagships, only with a universal COM instead of a universal LTC. hmm. this could be a decent ody alternative at least. in the end, the ambi station setup, with a universal ENS, is all a viable ship can end up with. like how its a ship with the wingspan of the d'deridex, is not hollow, and yet has 2 better base tur rate, hilarious. this would have like 10 times the volume of a d'deridex, not being hollow and all.
well good job ship dev's! pvp balance not rewritten around the lock box ships! for the second time in a row!
10s reduction to evasive, 2x new EPtE, 3x evasive Conn Doffs, deuterium...good luck hitting that. And I think there's a console or two that I'm forgetting.
Its both the Gain and the drain, its the offset (between two players) that puts a powerlevel difference starting at 0 to 32~ish points per system so thats x4 128 points difference just by adding a console.
Thats quite alot for a total power of around 300 with just 1 console.
Sorry numbers might be a bit off but u get the picture. Anyway just stating some stuff no Cryin or something, it will actually make game more balanced again although im sure this is painful for the poor kdfs.
(I never used plasmonic leech on kdf tho because it serves very little purpose on my hit'n run bop but i have it.)
Having used it off and on, and been shot by it in KvK when I haven't equipped it the drain is something that can be mitigated fairly easily. Also, to be fair it's not 1 console to reach +25, it takes a few (flow caps). But, the flow caps boost several other things. Toss in a Maco and at worse you negate the drain and gain +25. I don't think KDF should've gotten the Maco shields for this reason.
If all things were equal I'd agree Feds should get them, but they're not. Even the vast majority of lotto ships fit the Fed playstyle vs the KDF hit & run raider playstyle. The time ships and gimicy web console from the tholian ship are anti hit and run.
I don't see enough of a drawback from Rommy BCs to not fly a Rommy BC ship w/the exception of some Niche Raider builds.
Anyway I'm rambling now ...
[Zone] Dack@****: cowards can't take a fed 1 on 1 crinckley cowards Hahahaha you smell like flowers
Random Quote from Kerrat
"Sumlobus@****: your mums eat Iced Targ Poo"
C&H Fed banter
<insert joke about "whine and you will recieve" or somesuch>
I doubt that's relevant here. There's been pretty much zero whining about *wanting* the leech on the fed side. 99.998% of all forum threads have been klinks whining about the feds possibly getting it. Now they've gotten it.
So with those metrics mind... maybe they did it to make the small but very vocal minority of kdf players who whine about leech, of kdf players who post on the forums, of players who post on the forums, cry harder.
Because in all honesty y'all are the same guys complaining that C-store ships and 'p2w consoles' aren't 'content', and how much you want original content.
Now that Cryptic has listened to you and given you a ****load of new and much more interesting than the fed equivalent content, now you don't care about that any more and want your consoles that you whined so hard about back?
Its the most terrible console they have added... its easily countered though... we all just run one... so congrats we all have one less console slot now.
Its a great boon to escorts blowing up borg a slight bit faster though so score on that front.
To be honest, I'm not particularly worried about Feds getting plasmonic leech, except the effect it may have on KDF population. On the other hand, what worries me more are the Tal Shiar command code doffs, given that their track record is much, much worse where it comes to special Doffs. Every time they've introduced new doff powers, there's been at least one which shakes things up a whole bunch.
Oh, and the Borgbird cruiser could be fitted out like a Science Vessel, giving up subsys targeting for an additional 2 weapon slots. Could make things interesting.
By the way, Drunk, it appears that your Warp Plasma might get some bite back. From patch notes,
Plasma-Generating Science consoles from the Romulan Reputation system have been updated to increase all Plasma damage, as opposed to just Plasma damage from Directed Energy weapons.
Yay! So now ALL my ships, by adding in the new warp cores, are gonna be running with super-mega-ultra powah levels!
Wait...Aren't engineers supposed to be the best at having high power levels? I mean, sure, before the KDF DID have PL, but it was still only a KDF thing.
Now, with all the rep gear, rep passives, fleet gear, BOFFs, warp cores, etc, along with Plasmonic Leech, everyone will have high power levels that are easily obtainable and kept.
So...Engineers are meant to be the guys with high power levels, right? Because...all I see is little more than redundancy with them. I mean, before you could argue that you could use an engineer for healing and/or high sustained power levels, particularly with the LoR changes, but now...why?
I am serious about this btw. I mean, now ANYONE on any toon, can keep high power quite easily.
Sure the 10 power across the board is all well and good, but what's the point when a console that anyone can have negates the whole point? Yes, you can use PL on TOP of the trait, but...why?
(Just thought I'd bring up a different point, which won't hopefully be ignored)
I remain empathetic to the concerns of my community, but do me a favor and lay off the god damn name calling and petty remarks. It will get you nowhere.
I must admit, respect points to Trendy for laying down the law like that.
By the way, Drunk, it appears that your Warp Plasma might get some bite back. From patch notes,
Plasma-Generating Science consoles from the Romulan Reputation system have been updated to increase all Plasma damage, as opposed to just Plasma damage from Directed Energy weapons.
thats still tiny compared to a full blown plasma infuser
Geko always wanted to sell powers in the store and was only held back by tech. Apparently the trait tech has caught up with his wishes. I wonder how long it will be until we see the first boff power on the store / in a box?
Geko always wanted to sell powers in the store and was only held back by tech. Apparently the trait tech has caught up with his wishes. I wonder how long it will be until we see the first boff power on the store / in a box?
I mean, before you could argue that you could use an engineer for healing and/or high sustained power levels, particularly with the LoR changes, but now...why?
I am serious about this btw. I mean, now ANYONE on any toon, can keep high power quite easily.
So the recap of the last few months is :
* Sub Nuke Doffs (previously a Sci power)
* Passives , passives and more passives .
* More ships w/Sensor Scan (previously a Sci power)
* Fromulans (Fed-Romulans) get Battle Cloak
* Blatant Power Sell with Traits
* Fed Plasmonic Leech
Bye Bye STO .
I used to know you . I used to love you . You're still superficially fun ... and I suppose you always will be ... , but on a deeper level I think it's time to file for a divorce .
p.s. and when someone shoves this many "goodies" into a Lockbox / Legacypack -- then there's me thinking that someone is really worried that LoR will be a flop .
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Even Riker wouldn't
Mirror Ha'feh
Awoken Dead
Now shaddup about the queues, it's a BUG
Tet Glider.
Leech.
lol.
Well, IMO that is awesome. Although I play KDF exclusively over the last year, with the Romulan faction, I was planning to go FED since I can get equipment for less, BOs for less, better missions, and get access to our Tier 5 starbase on the FED side (our Klingon starbase is only Tier 4 since so few play KDF.
This is icing on the cake.
Have to check, but that could mean an Alien toon could take 9 space traits instead of 8 space + 1 ground...
that was my knee jerk, but 10% of a base 16 is just 1.6 extra for example. high end turn consoles come with at least +35%. this isnt the same as 10% more acc or 10 more defense. unless its 10% on final adjusted turn rate, but theres no way right?
diminishing returns also applies
Return of Ja'Dok Series (6 Part Series)
Enemy of the Exile Series (4 Part Series)
Task Force Ja'Dok Series (3 Part Series)
I have an Andorian Khyzon with 5x Phased Tet DHC, Tet Glider and 4x Embassy Mk XII flow cap console. Tomorrow I get Plasmonic Leech on top of that. My biggest concern is whether to sacrifice a flow cap or a RCS console for it, lol.
But Traits as a prize in a pack/lockbox? LOL
LOL
LOL????
hahahah now even traits are chance based huh. Can u also repackage them and sell traits on the exchange? that would be OP.
P2W FTW.
yep, thought so.
no they dont
Its not just the 'gain'
Its both the Gain and the drain, its the offset (between two players) that puts a powerlevel difference starting at 0 to 32~ish points per system so thats x4 128 points difference just by adding a console.
Thats quite alot for a total power of around 300 with just 1 console.
Sorry numbers might be a bit off but u get the picture. Anyway just stating some stuff no Cryin or something, it will actually make game more balanced again although im sure this is painful for the poor kdfs.
(I never used plasmonic leech on kdf tho because it serves very little purpose on my hit'n run bop but i have it.)
Honestly, the big thing is 10s reduction to evasive, but even without that I'd rather have a 10% boost to turn rate than a few space passives.
10s reduction to evasive, 2x new EPtE, 3x evasive Conn Doffs, deuterium...good luck hitting that. And I think there's a console or two that I'm forgetting.
@DevolvedOne
Faction: Federation, Klingon or Romulan
Rank Required: Rear Admiral, Brigadier General or Subadmiral I
Availability: Tal Shiar Lock Box
Hull Strength: 39,000
Shield Modifier: 1.1
Crew: 1200
Weapons: 4 Fore, 3 Aft
Device Slots: 3
Bridge Officer Stations:
COM tac
LTC sci
LT uni
LT uni
ENS tac
Console Modifications: 4 Tactical, 3 Engineering, 3 Science
Base Turn Rate: 11 degrees per second
Impulse Modifier: 0.18
+10 Weapon Subsystems, +5 Engine Subsystems, +5 Shield Subsystems
Can Load Cannons
Adapted Cloaking Device
Sensor Analysis
Console ? Universal ? Shrapnel Torpedo Launcher
i like battle cruisers and all, but not with full on escort station setups. i need plentiful eng to make up for that low turn rate and low impulse mod. a good old Dhelan spanks the TRIBBLE of this slow thing. ~5k extra hull wont save it. id put my kamarang, ktinga, or even negvar up against this thing with confidence any day.
so great job ship guys! keep making lockbox ships strange and not necessarily OP!
Khnial Class
Faction: Federation, Klingon or Romulan
Rank Required: Rear Admiral, Brigadier General or Subadmiral I
Availability: Lobi Crystal Store
Hull Strength: 42,000
Shield Modifier: 1.3
Crew: 1500
Weapons: 4 Fore, 4 Aft
Device Slots: 4
Bridge Officer Stations:
COM uni
LTC sci
LT tac
LT eng
ENS uni
Console Modifications: 3 Tactical, 4 Engineering, 3 Science
Base Turn Rate: 7 degrees per second
Impulse Modifier: 0.15
+10 Shield Subsystems, +10 Auxiliary Subsystems
Can Load Cannons
Adapted Cloaking Device
Sensor Analysis
Console ? Universal ? Indoctrination Nanite Dispersal System
now this is 1 hell of a pve ship. its sorta like the flagships, only with a universal COM instead of a universal LTC. hmm. this could be a decent ody alternative at least. in the end, the ambi station setup, with a universal ENS, is all a viable ship can end up with. like how its a ship with the wingspan of the d'deridex, is not hollow, and yet has 2 better base tur rate, hilarious. this would have like 10 times the volume of a d'deridex, not being hollow and all.
well good job ship dev's! pvp balance not rewritten around the lock box ships! for the second time in a row!
Exactly!
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Elite Defense Stovokor
Having used it off and on, and been shot by it in KvK when I haven't equipped it the drain is something that can be mitigated fairly easily. Also, to be fair it's not 1 console to reach +25, it takes a few (flow caps). But, the flow caps boost several other things. Toss in a Maco and at worse you negate the drain and gain +25. I don't think KDF should've gotten the Maco shields for this reason.
If all things were equal I'd agree Feds should get them, but they're not. Even the vast majority of lotto ships fit the Fed playstyle vs the KDF hit & run raider playstyle. The time ships and gimicy web console from the tholian ship are anti hit and run.
I don't see enough of a drawback from Rommy BCs to not fly a Rommy BC ship w/the exception of some Niche Raider builds.
Anyway I'm rambling now ...
Random Quote from Kerrat
"Sumlobus@****: your mums eat Iced Targ Poo"
C&H Fed banter
i like how theyre not even really trying with the story aspect again.
ya know.. the story is what makes star trek.
this blows.
Do you even Science Bro?
I doubt that's relevant here. There's been pretty much zero whining about *wanting* the leech on the fed side. 99.998% of all forum threads have been klinks whining about the feds possibly getting it. Now they've gotten it.
So with those metrics mind... maybe they did it to make the small but very vocal minority of kdf players who whine about leech, of kdf players who post on the forums, of players who post on the forums, cry harder.
Because in all honesty y'all are the same guys complaining that C-store ships and 'p2w consoles' aren't 'content', and how much you want original content.
Now that Cryptic has listened to you and given you a ****load of new and much more interesting than the fed equivalent content, now you don't care about that any more and want your consoles that you whined so hard about back?
Please.
Its the most terrible console they have added... its easily countered though... we all just run one... so congrats we all have one less console slot now.
Its a great boon to escorts blowing up borg a slight bit faster though so score on that front.
ditto to that
Oh, and the Borgbird cruiser could be fitted out like a Science Vessel, giving up subsys targeting for an additional 2 weapon slots. Could make things interesting.
By the way, Drunk, it appears that your Warp Plasma might get some bite back. From patch notes,
Plasma-Generating Science consoles from the Romulan Reputation system have been updated to increase all Plasma damage, as opposed to just Plasma damage from Directed Energy weapons.
Wait...Aren't engineers supposed to be the best at having high power levels? I mean, sure, before the KDF DID have PL, but it was still only a KDF thing.
Now, with all the rep gear, rep passives, fleet gear, BOFFs, warp cores, etc, along with Plasmonic Leech, everyone will have high power levels that are easily obtainable and kept.
So...Engineers are meant to be the guys with high power levels, right? Because...all I see is little more than redundancy with them. I mean, before you could argue that you could use an engineer for healing and/or high sustained power levels, particularly with the LoR changes, but now...why?
I am serious about this btw. I mean, now ANYONE on any toon, can keep high power quite easily.
Sure the 10 power across the board is all well and good, but what's the point when a console that anyone can have negates the whole point? Yes, you can use PL on TOP of the trait, but...why?
(Just thought I'd bring up a different point, which won't hopefully be ignored)
thats still tiny compared to a full blown plasma infuser
All well its still a plus... and one that makes sense.
The broken infusers where brkoen and all.
Photonic Officer III - Photonic science officer.
Not in a box .....yet :rolleyes:
So the recap of the last few months is :
* Sub Nuke Doffs (previously a Sci power)
* Passives , passives and more passives .
* More ships w/Sensor Scan (previously a Sci power)
* Fromulans (Fed-Romulans) get Battle Cloak
* Blatant Power Sell with Traits
* Fed Plasmonic Leech
Bye Bye STO .
I used to know you . I used to love you . You're still superficially fun ... and I suppose you always will be ... , but on a deeper level I think it's time to file for a divorce .
p.s. and when someone shoves this many "goodies" into a Lockbox / Legacypack -- then there's me thinking that someone is really worried that LoR will be a flop .