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malakhglitch
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A Science officer flying a Galaxy Dreadnought, or indeed any Cruiser. Has anyone come across builds for this kind of set up? For PvE, not PvP. Just curious.
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In short, go out and find a Cruiser build that you think looks good and run with it. Aux2Batt is probably the best Cruiser build available, but it's very expensive to get into due to the required DOffs. This is doubly true in that the expansion will be neutering the only other highly viable Cruiser build with the changes that it's bringing to the Emergency Power to X line of skills.
Joined January 2010.
In regard to hating Star Trek 2009:
Four, in my book. The three purple Technicians for Aux2Batt specifically, and Marion Frances Dulmer to make Directed Energy Modulation turn your broadsides into a damage monstrosity. All four of those DOffs will set you back a fair bit of EC, as well as costing four of your five active DOff slots.
And I suppose that doffingcomrade could be referring to the fact that you can get the purple Technicians from one of the cluster colonization chains, but that has a cost in time and in acquiring the necessary DOffs to crit on the repeatable mission, as well as still needing to make the payout for the increasingly rare and expensive Marion Frances Dulmer.
Joined January 2010.
In regard to hating Star Trek 2009:
There are some cruisers with multiple SCI seats and/or universal seats, and with AUX bonuses, so its possible, but it seemed counterproductive to me. A carrier with subsystem targeting and AUX boost will work better.
Honestly, how is this even relevant to a Sci Captain in a Cruiser? Changing BOff seating has nothing to do with your Captain type, and your Captain type has nothing to do with the BOff abilities you want to run. Both are determined solely by your ship. As I noted above, there is no difference between the Captain types in space other than their active abilities.
How on Earth is Sci the worst possible class for fighting with regular weapons? You've got Sensor Scan to debuff enemy resistances and Subnucleonic Beam to prevent them from healing, debuff their resistances (again), and prevent a fair amount of enemy damage output. Then off to the side you've got Scattering Field and Photonic Fleet which are neither here nor there relative to regular weapons. Tac, on the other hand, has four abilities that affect regular weapons either directly or indirectly, while Eng has only one ability (Nadion Inversion) that affects regular weapon use. Sci is distinctly the middle of the road class when it comes to using regular weapons and/or tanking.
Again, you're conflating Captain class with desired bridge officer ability layout. The two have practically nothing to do with one another.
Joined January 2010.
In regard to hating Star Trek 2009:
Yeah, I thankfully picked both of mine up while the Temporal Lock Box was still dropping, so I was able to get them fairly cheap (relatively speaking). I was considering picking up a third for a different character, and was shocked when I looked at the prices this week... I thought that they were a bit pricey when I got them. Whew.
Joined January 2010.
In regard to hating Star Trek 2009:
Odyssey: My main sci runs one the Ops version (only one I currently have) and I think I do fairly well with it. The flexibility to have a commander sci is a great help there. If you do have an Ody try it out. Personally, if I had it, I'd slap the chevron separation console on the Odyssey Sci instead of workbees and run that in a heartbeat.
Regent: Weirdly enough I have more success on this monster with my tac than my sci or even engy ever did. This one can work out well if you don't mind mainly sticking with your captain abilities and being more offensive then it can probably work, but it wasn't my cup of tea.
Galaxy Dread: Similar to the Regent, mainly because both can only have a lieutenant sci at best, but a bit on the tankier side. The free Sovereign and Mirror Emissary are more than likely as similar experience (sans cloak and lance of course). This ship is meant for brawling with other big-gun cruisers and battleships, so if that's your thing then go for it.
Ambassador: I sadly have yet to try this one out on my main, but I get the feeling it would work great. Lt. commander sci slot, good maneuverability, well-rounded boff stations, it's a good bet that this ship can be a beast no matter what class drives it. Ah heck, I've got a free slot, I'll try it out tomorrow.
Galaxy Retro: This is another one I've tried on multiple characters. Oddly enough, it actually seemed to work really well. Granted, you don't have a lot of sci boff powers, but the maneuverability that saucer separation gives combined with the ship's tankiness really makes it work for me.
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If Sci is in the middle of the road, and Tac is on the right, then Engi is trundling across some muddy trail miles away. :P
Pick a boat you want to fly then make it work for you. This is my best advice for solo play.
In a group there may be some expectations you may want to consider since you are part of a team effort.
Good luck
I mean, since you need to be turning towards your target to subnuke anyway, you could mount a beam, the Romulan prototype beam, and two heavy-hitter torpedoes of your choice (I'd say the hyper-plasma and the breen cluster) afore to make your frontal weapons free and give you limited alpha strike/burst capacity up front, and put four beams abaft. That way you can run a weapons-heavy power setting while broadsiding, use the Romulan overload, and switch to an aux-heavy setting to use your science powers and fire your torpedoes without losing a whole lot of damage. Or, just stick to the Aux2Batt build and let it expire when you're ready to subuke and torpedo.
Now, the LoR patch does increase the arc of science powers (SNB included) to 135 degrees, but that only gives you a 23.5-degree window on either side to use science powers while broadsiding. I wouldn't bank on that, not with Fed cruisers' poor turn rates and inertia.
Spock's Brain.
With the changes coming to EPtX powers, cruisers of any sort are just going to be frustrating to fly.
Aux2Batt is getting ripped out, too. It can no longer support one copy of EPtX and one copy of EPtY, only one copy of EPtX.
Joined January 2010.
In regard to hating Star Trek 2009:
Jeez, sounds like LoR is going to be the "throw away your cruisers" update. This may actually be worse than what they've done to science over the last year.
Anyways, thanks for the replies. Whether I end up in a Cruiser will depend on how fast I can assemble the needed DOffs and equipment.
It really is getting ridiculous to fly anything but an Escort. Science Ships are already TRIBBLE and the only good one they created fights like an Escort!!
I retract my earlier statements. They have set the cooldowns back to the way they were. And so EPtX powers all get buffs! Yay!
The big picture thing here is the devs are now aware of the serious shortcomings that ensign engineering powers have and how handcuffed BOFF selections are with ships heavy on engineering BOFFs in their layout.
This is a good thing. Hopefully this initiates some changes. I mean really some BOFF Power overhaul is needed. Tactical suffers from the same issues, albeit not quite as badly as Engineering. And Science has issues that go beyond shared cooldowns and really get into functionality. (Though Tribble has the newer, wider angle of effect for Sci powers, and that's a step forward).
So back to your regularly scheduled discussion about science in a cruiser as EPtX powers are actually improving now instead of being nerfed for cruiser captains.
Also, yes the CD's are the same... But the duration of the buffs have still been nerfed. It will NOT be possible to run 4 eptx's anymore.
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Fleet Nebula is actually quite decent. Handles better than most Starfleet Cruisers but it is the most sluggish among its Sci vessel brethren. You have pretty decent hull points, great shield mod, since this ship is a hybrid of a cruiser and sci vessel.
You can build this thing to be a tank, healer with ease. You can try to make it offensive, but I think it performs better defensively or with support abilities. It's a naturally high Aux Power running ship, so HE, TSS, PH, and Engineering's ASIF greatly benefit from this. On top of the strong ENG & SCI console slots, this makes the Nebula naturally very tough.
The Fleet Nebula is a pretty good compromise. Just remember she handles closer to a Cruiser than an Intrepid or the very maneuverable Nova. But she's far tougher than most other Sci vessels.