First: this whole thread like most is my opinion - and what I hope other fleet leaders see as an unfair system and what they "can/could" do about it.
And Fleet leaders have rules for their fleets that range from nothing to extremely strict RP fleets - so what do you mean by "not telling what players can or cannot do with their own characters"
It's my suggestion to fleet leaders who see that what is availible in the base -" Should be availible to everyone" - and if Cryptic won't enforce this basic fleet princple - then they will.
It's not a suggestion. From the moment you title your thread "fleet leaders need to boycott wah wah wah", you're dictating to people. I'm just glad my fleet doesn't decide to punish its members for a decision they had nothing to do with. And guess what? My Romulan won't be flying a single non-Romulan ship anyway... and I bet I won't be the only one.
I wouldn't be surprised if you were in favor of no starbases for Romulans. :rolleyes:
While the feature will be there I doubt many people will use it. Think about it, why would you use FED ships when you have a whole arsenal of Great Romulan stuff, and you can use FED ships with your FED character.
While the feature will be there I doubt many people will use it. Think about it, why would you use FED ships when you have a whole arsenal of Great Romulan stuff, and you can use FED ships with your FED character.
First: this whole thread like most is my opinion - and what I hope other fleet leaders see as an unfair system and what they "can/could" do about it.
And Fleet leaders have rules for their fleets that range from nothing to extremely strict RP fleets - so what do you mean by "not telling what players can or cannot do with their own characters"
It's my suggestion to fleet leaders who see that what is availible in the base -" Should be availible to everyone" - and if Cryptic won't enforce this basic fleet princple - then they will.
That's it right there, it's your suggestion, meaning that they can take that "suggestion" under advisement, and if they choose to do so, they can reject, again, going back to what I said "not telling other players what they can or cannot do with their own characters." Also that statement was not to other fleet leaders, it was directed at YOU in particular. You have no right to tell them what to do, you may suggest all you want, but that just means that they'd consider it, it's not affirming your claims, which this thread is. Yes, Romulan charactes will be able to use their own ships as well as ships of their allied force.
Plus, you seem to be operating under the delusion that they will agree with you, when there have been players in this very thread who are in fact fleet leaders say that they will not do as you "suggest."
That's it right there, it's your suggestion, meaning that they can take that "suggestion" under advisement, and if they choose to do so, they can reject, again, going back to what I said "not telling other players what they can or cannot do with their own characters." Also that statement was not to other fleet leaders, it was directed at YOU in particular. You have no right to tell them what to do, you may suggest all you want, but that just means that they'd consider it, it's not affirming your claims, which this thread is. Yes, Romulan charactes will be able to use their own ships as well as ships of their allied force.
Plus, you seem to be operating under the delusion that they will agree with you, when there have been players in this very thread who are in fact fleet leaders say that they will not do as you "suggest."
So are you telling me what to do - by telling me what I should suggest or not?
Seems kind of petty of you. I have no delusions - well not many - I certainly know this is all about money and nothing to do with fairness or possible conflicts.
I will grant you one thing though: the Title should be changed to "Fleet leaders 'should' boycott"
Romulans will have access to fed/klink ships because of one reason and ONE reason only:
People spent money on those ships, and with most consoles being ship agnostic they would naturally want their consoles when they fire up their romulan.
Now, if we only got Cryptic to remove all faction requirements from consoles. I don't know why I'm restricted from something I've PAID for.
I've been thinking a little, and I've decided that for me, the OP's idea is incredibly great... I love it.
The more you, and others like you, boycott romulan players, the more romolan players will come to fleets like mine, who dosen't discriminate one group, because of what another group does.
So Please: Advertise on your info, in zone chat and anywhere else that you and your fleet dosen't want romulan players.
We will happily take take them in, and make them feel welcome.
Don't look silly... Don't call it the "Z-Store/Zen Store"...
Also...boycotting fed and kdf ships from Romulans will mean MORE money for Cryptic, as it will FORCE Them to buy C-store Romulan ships.
Not that I would mind that. That would make Cryptic put in more romulan c-store ships of OP awesomeness.
Yeah... I want a tier 5 mogai with 6 forward weapon slots, quad wing plasma cannons
That assumes everyone buys anything they desire with unlimited funds and devs have unlimited development capabilities, which while that is true for some F2P players it does not describe them all nor Cryptic.
Right now they have been struggling to justify releasing new KDF ships due to the lack of revenue generated by doing so. You really think many romulan ships will be released after this expansion? Or that they want to give a portion of their playerbase (those rolling roms as mains) a reason not to buy a new FED ship released? Why on earth would they fracture their market for ship sales in such a way...nevermind there not.
The only way Romulans will become a true faction is if the playerbase of STO increases by a massive amount and the $$ justify the expense.
I don't think this is one you can win born2bwild1 , but it was a worthy attempt .
Something is rotten in STOville , and the splitting of the Rommy's is just a symptom and a middle road solution .
I suspect that is is a middle road solution because I think that if they implement the Rommy split faction thing , the next faction won't stop there and will give access too all ships of all factions .
MUST SELL ! SELL !! SELL !!!
The current Not Season 8 is just the thick smoke that is a prelude of a fire sale (that is intended to squeeze out whatever money is left in this game) .
I don't think this is one you can win born2bwild1 , but it was a worthy attempt .
Something is rotten in STOville , and the splitting of the Rommy's is just a symptom and a middle road solution .
I suspect that is is a middle road solution because I think that if they implement the Rommy split faction thing , the next faction won't stop there and will give access too all ships of all factions .
MUST SELL ! SELL !! SELL !!!
The current Not Season 8 is just the thick smoke that is a prelude of a fire sale (that is intended to squeeze out whatever money is left in this game) .
Cause: Game decides to go F2P They Cry: Your dumbing down the game! This is just a quick cash grab before they dump STO Effect: Playerbase drastically increases in size, content drought ends.
Cause: Lockboxes and keys They Cry: Cash grab! Game will loose license! Effect: Massive injection of cash allows dev team to grow to double size and starts work on rommie faction plus other stuff.
Cause: Romulans as mini faction They Cry: See above quote Predicted Effect: Droves of former players return to experience new content, some stay some leave. New blood also joins in large numbers creating an even larger standard playerbase retention. A new lockbox performs well as does other stuff. Cardassian mini faction development begins, doff system overhaul begins to promote more CCG elements and to be easier for porting to external clients such as smart phones, and game engine gets significant TLC work performed from the new software employees hired.
Cause: Game decides to go F2P They Cry: Your dumbing down the game! This is just a quick cash grab before they dump STO Effect: Playerbase drastically increases in size, content drought ends.
Cause: Lockboxes and keys They Cry: Cash grab! Game will loose license! Effect: Massive injection of cash allows dev team to grow to double size and starts work on rommie faction plus other stuff.
Cause: Romulans as mini faction They Cry: See above quote Predicted Effect: Droves of former players return to experience new content, some stay some leave. New blood also joins in large numbers creating an even larger standard playerbase retention. A new lockbox performs well as does other stuff. Cardassian mini faction development begins, doff system overhaul begins to promote more CCG elements and to be easier for porting to external clients such as smart phones, and game engine gets significant TLC work performed from the new software employees hired.
Exactly. Romulan toons aren't even here yet and we already have bitter vet syndrome rife in these forums. It's mental.
Cause: Game decides to go F2P They Cry: Your dumbing down the game! This is just a quick cash grab before they dump STO Effect: Playerbase drastically increases in size, content drought ends.
I was not on that train , but I was against the butchering of the STF's .
Cause: Lockboxes and keys They Cry: Cash grab! Game will loose license! Effect: Massive injection of cash allows dev team to grow to double size and starts work on rommie faction plus other stuff.
I was on the "this is gambling" train there and I have no regrets as as it was introduced , it was very akin to gambling .
The have sweetened the pot since then and made a real effort to produce secondary prizes of value (see Lobi store) .
I don't think they would have done so if the backlash against the original Lockbox model was as great as it was .
You're welcome to think differently . I won't ask for anyone's thanks .
Cause: Romulans as mini faction
A mini faction indeed .
Yet with some rights that overshadow the existing factions .
Nope , still not Kosher .
Predicted Effect: Droves of former players return to experience new content, some stay some leave.
Someone has posted a translated poll from the German STO forums , where 55% voted for the "this is not what I was expecting" option after the last Q&A w/DSahl came out and the actual meaning of the "full Romulan faction" came to light .
Me thinks that be the sample of the returning players opinion -- after they get sold on the idea to try the "Romulan Faction" in STO .
I'm hoping for Cryptic's sake that I am wrong .
New blood also joins in large numbers creating an even larger standard playerbase retention. A new lockbox performs well as does other stuff.
Oh I have no doubt that we'll see new and returning players , the question is what will they think ?
As to the Lockboxes / C-store ships -- I have said it before that the Rommy's ships are the last 'canon' bullets Cryptic has (save for Borg ships) .
So yes , they will do well , they are even bound to do well , but that is an illusion if the future is judged by those sales .
Cardassian mini faction development begins, doff system overhaul begins to promote
And other stuff , I get it .
Point is , the game's story won't move forward , and the Iconians won't invade .
They have side stepped the Iconian invasion with the Tholians , the Romulans (for 2 seasons now) and I have no doubt that they will side step it some more . A lot more .
At this point it's still 2409 , and we have been Marching in Neutral for 2+ years .
Fun ! Not so much .
Hello Fleetleaders, by the end of next month I, and many like me, will be making a Romulan character. Personally, I will be allying myself with the KDF, but other Romulans will seek allies in Starfleet. I don't get a chance to play often, but when I do I work hard. I have my eyes set on a fleet T'Liss Bird of Prey, I don't know if such a thing exists yet but if it does, I will need to buy one.
That's where you come in, Fleet Leader, I will need a Fleet Starbase with a space dock and requisitions necessary to purchase this end game ship. Now I understand, alot of hard work and sweat went into upgrading your Starbase so that it could supply my needs. I do not expect to be given the access. So you set a price, do you wish to do this as a simple payment of Energy Credits? I'm already looking to spend 20 bucks in Fleet Ship Modules, I suppose throwing down another 5-10 to raise a few million credits is not out of line. Do you want my help in upcoming projects? I'm willing to work and contribute, just let me know what amount of fleet experience you want to see before you think I've earned access to ship requisitions. Do you want me to commit to being available for fleet activities? I understand community is the lifeblood of a fleet, send me your schedule I'll see if its compatible with mine, you have a link on your website yes?
And just to TRIBBLE of the right kind of people, after I requisition my Romulan ship, I'm going to requisition the most iconic Klingon vessel I can get my hands on, I'm thinking a Fleet Vorcha. Are there any extra requirements for spite requisitions?
You have to remember there are only 3-4 romulan ships - that we know of.
That's 1 end game ship for an entire faction.
It's really the point in question, being where we are now, would you rather release a faction with just 1 ship to fly, or, does it make more sense to try to sell some old ships?
No-one seems to get the point - fleets can make a decision for their members - based on a principle that is upheld by most fleet - everyone gets equal access.
Therefore - if everyone does not get equal access - the fleet will tell members that Romulan toons can only build Romulan fleet ships.
This is a blatantly unfair policy - if enough fleets make the choice to require equal access then maybe cryptic will change its policy.
No, you don't seem to get the Point. It's not about you, it's about the ROMULANS. They just lost their original home world.....it's GONE...blowed up, that are scattered about now. So yes they deserve a little special treatment. Dual access, including allied fleet ships. Story wise it makes sense that there are so few Romulan ships now, they lost their entire infrastructure so Feds/kdf are not allowed access to what little ships they have left. Your Planet Earth is still sitting there nice and pretty, you don't need any special treatment..they do.
op. if your opposed that much to romulans getting fleet ships from yoru fleet, why not just say "no romulans allowed" for your fleet? becasue currently thats the only way its going to work. you can say "do it this way" people wont listen, its common knowledge, The honor system rarely works.
I personally could care less what any other Player spends their earned fleet credits, and possibly EC or real money on for fleet ships. if you got a romulan who wants to buy every fleet ship they can, so long as they are willing to fund the provisioning projects, i say let them.
So despite the fact that I don't even want your precious fleet ships, if I were to join your fleet I wouldn't be allowed my fleet D'deridex either? Seeing as there's no way to seperate them. Right, won't be joining your fleet then. Seriously the only thing you're 'losing' is a ship token, and since the romulan would have to put in resources to earn the fleet creds needed you're not even really losing that.
Let's face it, you honestly believe any sane fleet leader will enforce this kind of boycott and expect to keep their members?
You know what? I don't really care if my Fed can't fly a Warbird. I'm sure many others on Fed and KDF feel the same way. Besides, we can always make a Romulan character if we want to fly Warbirds. And Romulans can fly Fed or KDF ships? How is that any different from all the other non-faction ships everyone is flying anyway? And in the end, Romulans will probably have as less or as much ships as the Fed or KDF currently have access to, once people do the numbers post LoR launch.
Aww, my character doesn't have access to Warbirds! Whoop-de-freakin'-do... :rolleyes:
Aww, my character doesn't have access to Warbirds! Whoop-de-freakin'-do... :rolleyes:
But didn't you read the description, the Warbird is going to be so big and so awesome that it'll turn slower than the Galaxy! Finally, there's going to be a captain level ship in game for all of those people who played the Galaxy and thought, "This ship is far too nimble, it turns so quickly I'm having trouble focusing."
It is clear that no matter how much this community asks nicely, begs desperately, or demands angrily, Cryptic is going to do what they will do. We have two choices. Accept it and keep playing, trying to find whatever enjoyment we can, or we can reject it, stop playing and find our gaming enjoyment elsewhere. Of course the third option of pointlessly bucking the system remains, but it won't accomplish anything.
We need to grow up and deal.
You realize that Cryptic does alot of the things that members of this community ask nicely, beg desperately, and demand angrily. This community asked for a Federation Carrier so many times that the flamewars that ensued were the stuff of legend, and this community also said that Starfleet would never make a carrier. The Atrox, a Caitian Carrier, is in game. This community asked for a Klingon Cruiser that's tactically oriented, the Fleet Vorcha fits the bill nicely. This community asked for a T5 K'tinga, a T5 Nova with tactical orientation, and a T5 Akira with launch bay pets. All of those things happened. This community asked for ships to represent the navy's of the Klingons conquered species, those happened. This community asked for a Romulan faction, and it's on its way. Hell, I personally asked for a Fleet Escort, we call them Patrol Escorts now, with an adjustable ensign station because I wanted a science ensign but liked the way the Dervish looked. That happened.
The problem isn't that Cryptic doesn't listen to us. The problem is that Cryptic gives us what we want, but can't always give it to us in the way that we'd like.
So despite the fact that I don't even want your precious fleet ships, if I were to join your fleet I wouldn't be allowed my fleet D'deridex either? Seeing as there's no way to seperate them. Right, won't be joining your fleet then. Seriously the only thing you're 'losing' is a ship token, and since the romulan would have to put in resources to earn the fleet creds needed you're not even really losing that.
Stop trying to TRIBBLE over other players please?
First off - my suggestion was just that - a suggestion. It is up to each individual fleet leader to make the choices for their fleet.
My point remains the same - what is availible for 1 fleet member should be availible for ALL -PERIOD. No exceptions.
I believe this is a fundemental policy that fleets should follow. Cryptic wants extra sales and therefore believes the new faction/class should be "special" - this could create problems in the fleet, annomosity, jealously, etc - and sets a bad precedent going down the Line.
One of the more notable and very much "Cryptic fanboy" on this thread believes the solution is to lock-off fleet ships of the ally - and just allow access to the Fleet Romulan ships. This is a perfectly reasonable and sane solution. Therefore all Romulans will have access to what they should: Romulan Fleet ships! (sorry jexsamx - you did refer to yourself once as a fanboy - unless they TRIBBLE you off then you go medieval on their behind - but definitely one of the more sensible people on the forums)
This thread has now most definitely run its course, and isn?t providing any civilized discussion, so due to this as well as the nature of the original post, I'm closing this thread down.
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It's not a suggestion. From the moment you title your thread "fleet leaders need to boycott wah wah wah", you're dictating to people. I'm just glad my fleet doesn't decide to punish its members for a decision they had nothing to do with. And guess what? My Romulan won't be flying a single non-Romulan ship anyway... and I bet I won't be the only one.
I wouldn't be surprised if you were in favor of no starbases for Romulans. :rolleyes:
See what I mean? THANK YOU!
Plus, you seem to be operating under the delusion that they will agree with you, when there have been players in this very thread who are in fact fleet leaders say that they will not do as you "suggest."
So are you telling me what to do - by telling me what I should suggest or not?
Seems kind of petty of you. I have no delusions - well not many - I certainly know this is all about money and nothing to do with fairness or possible conflicts.
I will grant you one thing though: the Title should be changed to "Fleet leaders 'should' boycott"
Right. The same way that adding new, more powerful ships is not devaluing your old Galaxy-R but you're still left behind.
Now, if we only got Cryptic to remove all faction requirements from consoles. I don't know why I'm restricted from something I've PAID for.
The more you, and others like you, boycott romulan players, the more romolan players will come to fleets like mine, who dosen't discriminate one group, because of what another group does.
So Please: Advertise on your info, in zone chat and anywhere else that you and your fleet dosen't want romulan players.
We will happily take take them in, and make them feel welcome.
Also...boycotting fed and kdf ships from Romulans will mean MORE money for Cryptic, as it will FORCE Them to buy C-store Romulan ships.
Not that I would mind that. That would make Cryptic put in more romulan c-store ships of OP awesomeness.
Yeah... I want a tier 5 mogai with 6 forward weapon slots, quad wing plasma cannons
No, adding more powerful ships to the game does nothing to devalue any ship already in game (outside of PvP and really, yeah).
Increasing the difficulty of the NPCs can have that effect, but not adding new more powerful ships.
That assumes everyone buys anything they desire with unlimited funds and devs have unlimited development capabilities, which while that is true for some F2P players it does not describe them all nor Cryptic.
Right now they have been struggling to justify releasing new KDF ships due to the lack of revenue generated by doing so. You really think many romulan ships will be released after this expansion? Or that they want to give a portion of their playerbase (those rolling roms as mains) a reason not to buy a new FED ship released? Why on earth would they fracture their market for ship sales in such a way...nevermind there not.
The only way Romulans will become a true faction is if the playerbase of STO increases by a massive amount and the $$ justify the expense.
Something is rotten in STOville , and the splitting of the Rommy's is just a symptom and a middle road solution .
I suspect that is is a middle road solution because I think that if they implement the Rommy split faction thing , the next faction won't stop there and will give access too all ships of all factions .
MUST SELL ! SELL !! SELL !!!
The current Not Season 8 is just the thick smoke that is a prelude of a fire sale (that is intended to squeeze out whatever money is left in this game) .
Cause: Game decides to go F2P
They Cry: Your dumbing down the game! This is just a quick cash grab before they dump STO
Effect: Playerbase drastically increases in size, content drought ends.
Cause: Lockboxes and keys
They Cry: Cash grab! Game will loose license!
Effect: Massive injection of cash allows dev team to grow to double size and starts work on rommie faction plus other stuff.
Cause: Romulans as mini faction
They Cry: See above quote
Predicted Effect: Droves of former players return to experience new content, some stay some leave. New blood also joins in large numbers creating an even larger standard playerbase retention. A new lockbox performs well as does other stuff. Cardassian mini faction development begins, doff system overhaul begins to promote more CCG elements and to be easier for porting to external clients such as smart phones, and game engine gets significant TLC work performed from the new software employees hired.
Exactly. Romulan toons aren't even here yet and we already have bitter vet syndrome rife in these forums. It's mental.
I was not on that train , but I was against the butchering of the STF's .
I was on the "this is gambling" train there and I have no regrets as as it was introduced , it was very akin to gambling .
The have sweetened the pot since then and made a real effort to produce secondary prizes of value (see Lobi store) .
I don't think they would have done so if the backlash against the original Lockbox model was as great as it was .
You're welcome to think differently . I won't ask for anyone's thanks .
A mini faction indeed .
Yet with some rights that overshadow the existing factions .
Nope , still not Kosher .
Someone has posted a translated poll from the German STO forums , where 55% voted for the "this is not what I was expecting" option after the last Q&A w/DSahl came out and the actual meaning of the "full Romulan faction" came to light .
Me thinks that be the sample of the returning players opinion -- after they get sold on the idea to try the "Romulan Faction" in STO .
I'm hoping for Cryptic's sake that I am wrong .
Oh I have no doubt that we'll see new and returning players , the question is what will they think ?
As to the Lockboxes / C-store ships -- I have said it before that the Rommy's ships are the last 'canon' bullets Cryptic has (save for Borg ships) .
So yes , they will do well , they are even bound to do well , but that is an illusion if the future is judged by those sales .
And other stuff , I get it .
Point is , the game's story won't move forward , and the Iconians won't invade .
They have side stepped the Iconian invasion with the Tholians , the Romulans (for 2 seasons now) and I have no doubt that they will side step it some more . A lot more .
At this point it's still 2409 , and we have been Marching in Neutral for 2+ years .
Fun ! Not so much .
That's where you come in, Fleet Leader, I will need a Fleet Starbase with a space dock and requisitions necessary to purchase this end game ship. Now I understand, alot of hard work and sweat went into upgrading your Starbase so that it could supply my needs. I do not expect to be given the access. So you set a price, do you wish to do this as a simple payment of Energy Credits? I'm already looking to spend 20 bucks in Fleet Ship Modules, I suppose throwing down another 5-10 to raise a few million credits is not out of line. Do you want my help in upcoming projects? I'm willing to work and contribute, just let me know what amount of fleet experience you want to see before you think I've earned access to ship requisitions. Do you want me to commit to being available for fleet activities? I understand community is the lifeblood of a fleet, send me your schedule I'll see if its compatible with mine, you have a link on your website yes?
And just to TRIBBLE of the right kind of people, after I requisition my Romulan ship, I'm going to requisition the most iconic Klingon vessel I can get my hands on, I'm thinking a Fleet Vorcha. Are there any extra requirements for spite requisitions?
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That's 1 end game ship for an entire faction.
It's really the point in question, being where we are now, would you rather release a faction with just 1 ship to fly, or, does it make more sense to try to sell some old ships?
No, you don't seem to get the Point. It's not about you, it's about the ROMULANS. They just lost their original home world.....it's GONE...blowed up, that are scattered about now. So yes they deserve a little special treatment. Dual access, including allied fleet ships. Story wise it makes sense that there are so few Romulan ships now, they lost their entire infrastructure so Feds/kdf are not allowed access to what little ships they have left. Your Planet Earth is still sitting there nice and pretty, you don't need any special treatment..they do.
I personally could care less what any other Player spends their earned fleet credits, and possibly EC or real money on for fleet ships. if you got a romulan who wants to buy every fleet ship they can, so long as they are willing to fund the provisioning projects, i say let them.
Stop trying to TRIBBLE over other players please?
You know what? I don't really care if my Fed can't fly a Warbird. I'm sure many others on Fed and KDF feel the same way. Besides, we can always make a Romulan character if we want to fly Warbirds. And Romulans can fly Fed or KDF ships? How is that any different from all the other non-faction ships everyone is flying anyway? And in the end, Romulans will probably have as less or as much ships as the Fed or KDF currently have access to, once people do the numbers post LoR launch.
Aww, my character doesn't have access to Warbirds! Whoop-de-freakin'-do... :rolleyes:
But didn't you read the description, the Warbird is going to be so big and so awesome that it'll turn slower than the Galaxy! Finally, there's going to be a captain level ship in game for all of those people who played the Galaxy and thought, "This ship is far too nimble, it turns so quickly I'm having trouble focusing."
You realize that Cryptic does alot of the things that members of this community ask nicely, beg desperately, and demand angrily. This community asked for a Federation Carrier so many times that the flamewars that ensued were the stuff of legend, and this community also said that Starfleet would never make a carrier. The Atrox, a Caitian Carrier, is in game. This community asked for a Klingon Cruiser that's tactically oriented, the Fleet Vorcha fits the bill nicely. This community asked for a T5 K'tinga, a T5 Nova with tactical orientation, and a T5 Akira with launch bay pets. All of those things happened. This community asked for ships to represent the navy's of the Klingons conquered species, those happened. This community asked for a Romulan faction, and it's on its way. Hell, I personally asked for a Fleet Escort, we call them Patrol Escorts now, with an adjustable ensign station because I wanted a science ensign but liked the way the Dervish looked. That happened.
The problem isn't that Cryptic doesn't listen to us. The problem is that Cryptic gives us what we want, but can't always give it to us in the way that we'd like.
First off - my suggestion was just that - a suggestion. It is up to each individual fleet leader to make the choices for their fleet.
My point remains the same - what is availible for 1 fleet member should be availible for ALL -PERIOD. No exceptions.
I believe this is a fundemental policy that fleets should follow. Cryptic wants extra sales and therefore believes the new faction/class should be "special" - this could create problems in the fleet, annomosity, jealously, etc - and sets a bad precedent going down the Line.
One of the more notable and very much "Cryptic fanboy" on this thread believes the solution is to lock-off fleet ships of the ally - and just allow access to the Fleet Romulan ships. This is a perfectly reasonable and sane solution. Therefore all Romulans will have access to what they should: Romulan Fleet ships! (sorry jexsamx - you did refer to yourself once as a fanboy - unless they TRIBBLE you off then you go medieval on their behind - but definitely one of the more sensible people on the forums)
This thread has now most definitely run its course, and isn?t providing any civilized discussion, so due to this as well as the nature of the original post, I'm closing this thread down.
Cheers,
syberghost