Romulans will have access to fed/klink ships because of one reason and ONE reason only:
People spent money on those ships, and with most consoles being ship agnostic they would naturally want their consoles when they fire up their romulan.
End of story.
And since Feds/klinks do not get access to romulan ships bar lockboxes i can only say: that is a good thing.
I certainly would like to have my klink-omulan to have his isometric charge, and the plasmonic leech and the subspace jumps... so access to these ships need to be there ^^
Dude, give one, ONE reason why it's such a big deal? I fly a Jem'Hadar Dreadnought Carrier, I have friends flying Galores, in Canon, the Romulan's use of captured Klingon, Federation, even Cardassian vessels is heavily well known and documented. both in novels, and TV series.
The KDF (House of Duras) even gave the Tal Shiar Negh'Vars and BoPs during the television series. Romulan's served on their ships, even.
You have given no real/legitimate reason at all.
The reason is fairness - all those ships you mention - everyone else has the SAME access.
not with Romulans - they will have access to your ships AND ships that you don't have access to.
There are certain programs available that allows a person to control another computer over the internet. It requires both computers to download it and it can be terminated from either end. These programs are used for tech support and accessing files on a person's work computer from home. So if I was stupid enough to be in a fleet with such a control freak, then I would log in to my account. Ask the fleet leader for permission to get the ship and give up some control to the fleet leader so they can purchase the appropriate ship. So there is no sharing passwords or having dual accounts involved. It might be a violation of the TOS, but not for the reasons you gave. Although, I don't believe dual boxing accounts is in violating of the TOS since many people have created solo fleets through dual boxing.
A fleet can control when people purchase stuff from the Fleet Stores, but they can never control what people purchase without resulting in using extreme draconian measures. This method is an extreme draconian measure and any fleet that uses such measures would be nothing more than a solo fleet with just a control freak and no one to control.
If you are mentally TRIBBLE to just let some random guy have control of your computer through a PIP Control OS, you're a flat out ******. Give me access to your computer like that, in less than a minute I can have every website, file, even your photo albums downloaded to my computer, and you'll NEVER see me do it.
That is beyond stupid, that is incomprehensible how stupid someone would have to be. And no, you can't have a shared account, it says so in the TOS, in black and white. The rest, I agree with.
Romulans will have access to fed/klink ships because of one reason and ONE reason only:
People spent money on those ships, and with most consoles being ship agnostic they would naturally want their consoles when they fire up their romulan.
End of story.
And since Feds/klinks do not get access to romulan ships bar lockboxes i can only say: that is a good thing.
I certainly would like to have my klink-omulan to have his isometric charge, and the plasmonic leech and the subspace jumps... so access to these ships need to be there ^^
Did you read the OP? this has to do with Romulans having "exclusive fleet ships AND access to their allies fleet ships.
not with Romulans - they will have access to your ships AND ships that you don't have access to.
And I'll ask again: who is that hurting? It's not hurting the Fed or KDF player who already owns dozens of ships.
It's enticing a Fed or KDF player to try a Romulan; to try the new ships and content. Without that incentive a Fed or KDF player would simply buy the Rom Fleet ship and not bother to try any of the Rom content.
The goal here is to get people to play the new content. Not just do what they've been doing for the last 3 years: buy a new ship.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
Romulan Fleet ships in Fed/KDF shipyards is the perfect answer. Now if only they'd lock off Fed/KDF Fleet ships from Romulans, the whole thing would be perfect.
The reason is fairness - all those ships you mention - everyone else has the SAME access.
not with Romulans - they will have access to your ships AND ships that you don't have access to.
Who cares?
If you want access to the rom ships, make a rom and level him up, and waste your money on a secondary over your main.
If I paid money for merch Klink side, I expect to use it when I go Rom Side on my Alt. Klink is my dominant account, and will always be, what they have done, is fortified the future of this very game, by taking care of the customer, and his/her investment into the game, continuin further investments into the game.
You really don't get it, and cannot even comprehend it.
I am sure that lots of players would have loved it if the Romulans got everything the Feds got. So we have 3 factions instead of 2 factions and a mini-faction. Unfortunately, they went with sensible way. There is the possibility of Romulan fleets down the road where they never ally with a former enemy and only Fleet Romulan ships are available. However, the game can't support 3 factions.
Out of how they could have done things, I prefer this method over Romulans being an endgame mini-faction. The fun of MMOs is the journey that a character takes and missing out on most of that journey is not fun.
Why should Romulan players have dual access and Fed/Kdf players don't?
Because CBS said so? Because Cryptic doesn't want to make a bunch of Romulan ships that they can't sell you on the Z-store? Those are the only reasons I can think of. Not that I think they're good reasons.
Dude, they wont get their own starbases, it's already announced, that is why that have the alliances to begin with. Only thing they can gain is more ships, who cares, I could care less if a Rom Faction player is flying an Oddyssey, he's a player in an MMO having fun, who gives a flying TRIBBLE? REally? Who cares? The ONLY class they will get, is "Warbird". That's it, variations fo warbird, sure, but they will never have Raider, Escort, Science, Cruiser, Battle Cruiser classes, it's already been said.
You need to back it off a notch, I'm as calm as the water here.
They said the Romulans are just getting started and they're going to look into adding their own starbases down the line.
They elaborated on the Warbirds, they are warbirds essentially for the sake of simplicity. The D'deridix (however it's spelled) is going to be like a battle cruiser, the TOS looking one like a Raider, etc. They're all "Warbirds" in that they use singularity cores. It's easier to put "Warbird" as the only restriction on a singularity core than "Warbird, Romulan Raider, Romulan Carrier, Romulan Escort."
Several people would like to have the fleets how they are in Star Trek. The game is designed for Star Trek fans, and they're the ones that want it that way, and they are the dedicated player-base.
Anyhow, that's how I see it. I'm not in the business of ramming my opinion down anybody's throat, everyone is entitled to his own viewpoint.
Thanks for the expansion that had "as much content as the last"
9 Episodes = 30+ episodes...?
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It's pronounced "S.T.O." "Stow" sounds idiotic! lol
Romulan Fleet ships in Fed/KDF shipyards is the perfect answer. Now if only they'd lock off Fed/KDF Fleet ships from Romulans, the whole thing would be perfect.
This is all I am asking for - Fed/kdf Fleet ships to be locked off from Romulan Players.
They can still have Fed/KDF c-store ships/Romulan Fleet ships/romulan c-store ships/ and romulan free ships.
They are getting a lot.
Why do they have to have ally faction fleet ships to?
You need to back it off a notch, I'm as calm as the water here.
They said the Romulans are just getting started and they're going to look into adding their own starbases down the line.
They elaborated on the Warbirds, they are warbirds essentially for the sake of simplicity. The D'deridix (however it's spelled) is going to be like a battle cruiser, the TOS looking one like a Raider, etc. They're all "Warbirds" in that they use singularity cores. It's easier to put "Warbird" as the only restriction on a singularity core than "Warbird, Romulan Raider, Romulan Carrier, Romulan Escort."
Several people would like to have the fleets how they are in Star Trek. The game is designed for Star Trek fans, and they're the ones that want it that way, and they are the dedicated player-base.
Anyhow, that's how I see it. I'm not in the business of ramming my opinion down anybody's throat, everyone is entitled to his own viewpoint.
They go from having a Bird of Prey at tier 1, and a Brotasque at tier 5.
Nothing to choose from other than those from 1-5.
We get 3 ship types to pick each level, they only get 1.
From tier 1 thru 5, there is no consistancy AT ALL in how the ship before plays to the ship now.
The Devs said Romulans will NOT have starbases, they will ally with KDF or FED for STarbase access. The entire design/structure of the Rom faction will be completely dependent on the alliances they choose.
They go from having a Bird of Prey at tier 1, and a Brotasque at tier 5.
Nothing to choose from other than those from 1-5.
We get 3 ship types to pick each level, they only get 1.
From tier 1 thru 5, there is no consistancy AT ALL in how the ship before plays to the ship now.
The Devs said Romulans will NOT have starbases, they will ally with KDF or FED for STarbase access. The entire design/structure of the Rom faction will be completely dependent on the alliances they choose.
Which is why I agree that ship sharing through the early levels is fine, tier 1-3 or 4, until they flesh out some variety. But at Tier 5 we'll have our pick (which works for me because I only go all out on my endgame ship! )
From the 'Ask Cryptic,' this is what I'm talking about: "In the future, we will consider unique Romulan Starbases. For now, the New Romulans are just getting their feet on the ground and must look to the planet New Romulus as their new home and rely on the Starbases of their ally for support."
No, it's not a definite yes, but it isn't a no either. After all, they were pretty adamant that the KDF would be a PvP faction only, but when they saw how much the community wanted a full PvE faction, they decided to do it.
That's what I'm hoping for. In the meantime, I'm going to enjoy the added help of my Romulan character with my small fleet's starbase and hope that the green-blooded guys get one of there own someday.
I'm sleepy, it's late here. Goodnight all!
Thanks for the expansion that had "as much content as the last"
9 Episodes = 30+ episodes...?
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It's pronounced "S.T.O." "Stow" sounds idiotic! lol
Which is why I agree that ship sharing through the early levels is fine, tier 1-3 or 4, until they flesh out some variety. But at Tier 5 we'll have our pick (which works for me because I only go all out on my endgame ship! )
From the 'Ask Cryptic,' this is what I'm talking about: "In the future, we will consider unique Romulan Starbases. For now, the New Romulans are just getting their feet on the ground and must look to the planet New Romulus as their new home and rely on the Starbases of their ally for support."
No, it's not a definite yes, but it isn't a no either. After all, they were pretty adamant that the KDF would be a PvP faction only, but when they saw how much the community wanted a full PvE faction, they decided to do it.
That's what I'm hoping for. In the meantime, I'm going to enjoy the added help of my Romulan character with my small fleet's starbase and hope that the green-blooded guys get one of there own someday.
I'm sleepy, it's late here. Goodnight all!
Have you paid attention to the structure and design of their ships?
Rom Faction is going to be the next new PVP faction.
Ah this is why you are so pumping this unfair situation - you want to roll a Rommie for the cloak bonus then use KDF fleet ships for PvP
Not at all, I'm not a torpedo boat player.
I could care less about that, I'm pumping it, because it's the ONLY thing the faction will have making worth spending anymore than 20 or 30 hours on before dumping and going back to the main for the remaining years.
I could care less about that, I'm pumping it, because it's the ONLY thing the faction will have making worth spending anymore than 20 or 30 hours on before dumping and going back to the main for the remaining years.
Well my KDF will be happily staying in her Fleet B'rel(30 more days with the Refit) - no need to create a Rommie to take her place.
This is all I am asking for - Fed/kdf Fleet ships to be locked off from Romulan Players.
They can still have Fed/KDF c-store ships/Romulan Fleet ships/romulan c-store ships/ and romulan free ships.
They are getting a lot.
Why do they have to have ally faction fleet ships to?
Now you are not making sense. You don't want Romulans to have access to Fed/KDF ships because it will 'water down' the Romulan faction purity. But wait, now it's okay for a Romulan to have a Galaxy starship, but it can't be the fleet version. Why?
How would a Romulan flying a fleet Galaxy hurt your gaming experience?
I have a mental image of a child stomping his feet in full pout mode repeating "It's not FAIR!"
I just don't see an issue here and the expression 'mountain out of a molehill' seems to fit.
Now you are not making sense. You don't want Romulans to have access to Fed/KDF ships because it will 'water down' the Romulan faction purity. But wait, now it's okay for a Romulan to have a Galaxy starship, but it can't be the fleet version. Why?
How would a Romulan flying a fleet Galaxy hurt your gaming experience?
I have a mental image of a child stomping his feet in full pout mode repeating "It's not FAIR!"
I just don't see an issue here and the expression 'mountain out of a molehill' seems to fit.
It has everything to do with one faction having exclusive ship access and the ally does not.
Why would anyone roll a Fed/Kdf again except for rp? They are going to be limited in selection from launch on in.
OP, send your potential Romulan members over to me. I'll make sure they get to join a nonjudgmental fleet that doesn't punish them for game mechanics, and you can make sure that your fleet remains pure and unsullied by their green blood and unwelcome, unfair ship purchasing.
Ok, maybe my thoughts are more in order for this post:
I don't really agree with Romulans getting Fed/KDF fleet ships. Honestly if I had my way I wouldn't have ever allowed Romulans any non-Romulan ships (outside of lockbox ones). However, that isn't how it is.
So that aside, Romulans can, do, and will have access regardless. I wish at the very least they didn't have access to 'fleet level' ships of the Fed/KDF. Which means that they couldn't use any 10-console ship outside their own fleet ships or lockbox ones.
But again, that isn't how it's gonna be.
That said, I personally plan on at least making my Romulan (possibly Lib Borg romulan) sci, and Romulan Eng fly Romulan ships, because that's what I WANT to fly. Nothing is gonna change me getting a D'deridex (and possibly a Scimitar).
And honestly, a good portion of people are going to choose to fly what they already know, regardless of faction. There's gonna be plenty of folks flying Fleet Defiants on their Romulan tac, regardless. Or hopping into that Galor, because they want to.
Most of all, plenty of people flying Romulan ships. Besides, even with access to Fed/KDF fleet ships, who knows what interesting and unique options those ships will bring. The Singularity Cores alone will be a different twist, and add in what consoles and such we might have on Romulan ships...we shouldn't dismiss them quite so quickly.
I remain empathetic to the concerns of my community, but do me a favor and lay off the god damn name calling and petty remarks. It will get you nowhere.
I must admit, respect points to Trendy for laying down the law like that.
Did you read the OP? this has to do with Romulans having "exclusive fleet ships AND access to their allies fleet ships.
this has nothing to do with pre-purchased ships.
Just a question: You do realize that just because you have access to both your own faction's ships and those of your chosen ally's ships, it doesn't mean that you will use the ships from your chosen ally? Also, boycotting because YOU think it's unfair that Romulan characters will have access to their own ships and ships of their allies is a moot point, it will happen whether you like it or not.
Just a question: You do realize that just because you have access to both your own faction's ships and those of your chosen ally's ships, it doesn't mean that you will use the ships from your chosen ally? Also, boycotting because YOU think it's unfair that Romulan characters will have access to their own ships and ships of their allies is a moot point, it will happen whether you like it or not.
Okay, fine, that's only on you. That still doesn't give you a right to tell other players what they can or cannot do with their own characters.
This thread is moot. It will just lead to nothing so why bother?
First: this whole thread like most is my opinion - and what I hope other fleet leaders see as an unfair system and what they "can/could" do about it.
And Fleet leaders have rules for their fleets that range from nothing to extremely strict RP fleets - so what do you mean by "not telling what players can or cannot do with their own characters"
It's my suggestion to fleet leaders who see that what is availible in the base -" Should be availible to everyone" - and if Cryptic won't enforce this basic fleet princple - then they will.
Why should Romulan players have dual access and Fed/Kdf players don't?
"sighs" You care to answer me what would be the real point of making a Romulan if I could fly a Romulan fleet ship as a Fed/Kdf on day one of LoR?
Dare you to give me a good answer to that.
Where is all of your complaining about how unfair it is Feds have so many more ships than Kdf? Huh...you like talking about unfair then why aren't you lighting up the forums with protest for the Kdf?
Your probably just another lazy selfish Fed that wants a Warbird but doesn't want to put in the effort to level a Romulan.
Can't have a honest conversation because of a white knight with power
My Fleet has a full tier 4 Fed Starbase and a tier 3 KDF. Our fleet will stay true to ourselves. Their is no real issue with how our Romulan alts and new players do it. the players that have toons in the fed or kdf aligning them selves with the faction of their choice. People who join as romulan are welcome to help Fed or Kdf reach T5 Faster.
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Romulans will have access to fed/klink ships because of one reason and ONE reason only:
People spent money on those ships, and with most consoles being ship agnostic they would naturally want their consoles when they fire up their romulan.
End of story.
And since Feds/klinks do not get access to romulan ships bar lockboxes i can only say: that is a good thing.
I certainly would like to have my klink-omulan to have his isometric charge, and the plasmonic leech and the subspace jumps... so access to these ships need to be there ^^
The reason is fairness - all those ships you mention - everyone else has the SAME access.
not with Romulans - they will have access to your ships AND ships that you don't have access to.
If you are mentally TRIBBLE to just let some random guy have control of your computer through a PIP Control OS, you're a flat out ******. Give me access to your computer like that, in less than a minute I can have every website, file, even your photo albums downloaded to my computer, and you'll NEVER see me do it.
That is beyond stupid, that is incomprehensible how stupid someone would have to be. And no, you can't have a shared account, it says so in the TOS, in black and white. The rest, I agree with.
Did you read the OP? this has to do with Romulans having "exclusive fleet ships AND access to their allies fleet ships.
this has nothing to do with pre-purchased ships.
It's enticing a Fed or KDF player to try a Romulan; to try the new ships and content. Without that incentive a Fed or KDF player would simply buy the Rom Fleet ship and not bother to try any of the Rom content.
The goal here is to get people to play the new content. Not just do what they've been doing for the last 3 years: buy a new ship.
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Who cares?
If you want access to the rom ships, make a rom and level him up, and waste your money on a secondary over your main.
If I paid money for merch Klink side, I expect to use it when I go Rom Side on my Alt. Klink is my dominant account, and will always be, what they have done, is fortified the future of this very game, by taking care of the customer, and his/her investment into the game, continuin further investments into the game.
You really don't get it, and cannot even comprehend it.
Same boat bud, same boat.
Out of how they could have done things, I prefer this method over Romulans being an endgame mini-faction. The fun of MMOs is the journey that a character takes and missing out on most of that journey is not fun.
Because CBS said so? Because Cryptic doesn't want to make a bunch of Romulan ships that they can't sell you on the Z-store? Those are the only reasons I can think of. Not that I think they're good reasons.
You need to back it off a notch, I'm as calm as the water here.
They said the Romulans are just getting started and they're going to look into adding their own starbases down the line.
They elaborated on the Warbirds, they are warbirds essentially for the sake of simplicity. The D'deridix (however it's spelled) is going to be like a battle cruiser, the TOS looking one like a Raider, etc. They're all "Warbirds" in that they use singularity cores. It's easier to put "Warbird" as the only restriction on a singularity core than "Warbird, Romulan Raider, Romulan Carrier, Romulan Escort."
Several people would like to have the fleets how they are in Star Trek. The game is designed for Star Trek fans, and they're the ones that want it that way, and they are the dedicated player-base.
Anyhow, that's how I see it. I'm not in the business of ramming my opinion down anybody's throat, everyone is entitled to his own viewpoint.
9 Episodes = 30+ episodes...?
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It's pronounced "S.T.O." "Stow" sounds idiotic! lol
This is all I am asking for - Fed/kdf Fleet ships to be locked off from Romulan Players.
They can still have Fed/KDF c-store ships/Romulan Fleet ships/romulan c-store ships/ and romulan free ships.
They are getting a lot.
Why do they have to have ally faction fleet ships to?
They go from having a Bird of Prey at tier 1, and a Brotasque at tier 5.
Nothing to choose from other than those from 1-5.
We get 3 ship types to pick each level, they only get 1.
From tier 1 thru 5, there is no consistancy AT ALL in how the ship before plays to the ship now.
The Devs said Romulans will NOT have starbases, they will ally with KDF or FED for STarbase access. The entire design/structure of the Rom faction will be completely dependent on the alliances they choose.
BECAUSE IN CANON THEY GOT THEM!!!
Do you EVER watch the TV shows, or read ANY of the novels? Like SERIOUSLY DO YOU?
The Romulan's operated several Klingon Bird of Preys to destroy the Klingon Shipyards of Errends. House of Duras ring a bell?
Which is why I agree that ship sharing through the early levels is fine, tier 1-3 or 4, until they flesh out some variety. But at Tier 5 we'll have our pick (which works for me because I only go all out on my endgame ship!
From the 'Ask Cryptic,' this is what I'm talking about: "In the future, we will consider unique Romulan Starbases. For now, the New Romulans are just getting their feet on the ground and must look to the planet New Romulus as their new home and rely on the Starbases of their ally for support."
No, it's not a definite yes, but it isn't a no either. After all, they were pretty adamant that the KDF would be a PvP faction only, but when they saw how much the community wanted a full PvE faction, they decided to do it.
That's what I'm hoping for. In the meantime, I'm going to enjoy the added help of my Romulan character with my small fleet's starbase and hope that the green-blooded guys get one of there own someday.
I'm sleepy, it's late here. Goodnight all!
9 Episodes = 30+ episodes...?
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
It's pronounced "S.T.O." "Stow" sounds idiotic! lol
Rom Faction is going to be the next new PVP faction.
Ah this is why you are so pumping this unfair situation - you want to roll a Rommie for the cloak bonus then use KDF fleet ships for PvP
Not at all, I'm not a torpedo boat player.
I could care less about that, I'm pumping it, because it's the ONLY thing the faction will have making worth spending anymore than 20 or 30 hours on before dumping and going back to the main for the remaining years.
Well my KDF will be happily staying in her Fleet B'rel(30 more days with the Refit) - no need to create a Rommie to take her place.
Now you are not making sense. You don't want Romulans to have access to Fed/KDF ships because it will 'water down' the Romulan faction purity. But wait, now it's okay for a Romulan to have a Galaxy starship, but it can't be the fleet version. Why?
How would a Romulan flying a fleet Galaxy hurt your gaming experience?
I have a mental image of a child stomping his feet in full pout mode repeating "It's not FAIR!"
I just don't see an issue here and the expression 'mountain out of a molehill' seems to fit.
It has everything to do with one faction having exclusive ship access and the ally does not.
Why would anyone roll a Fed/Kdf again except for rp? They are going to be limited in selection from launch on in.
Bad precedent. Bad for the game.
I don't really agree with Romulans getting Fed/KDF fleet ships. Honestly if I had my way I wouldn't have ever allowed Romulans any non-Romulan ships (outside of lockbox ones). However, that isn't how it is.
So that aside, Romulans can, do, and will have access regardless. I wish at the very least they didn't have access to 'fleet level' ships of the Fed/KDF. Which means that they couldn't use any 10-console ship outside their own fleet ships or lockbox ones.
But again, that isn't how it's gonna be.
That said, I personally plan on at least making my Romulan (possibly Lib Borg romulan) sci, and Romulan Eng fly Romulan ships, because that's what I WANT to fly. Nothing is gonna change me getting a D'deridex (and possibly a Scimitar).
And honestly, a good portion of people are going to choose to fly what they already know, regardless of faction. There's gonna be plenty of folks flying Fleet Defiants on their Romulan tac, regardless. Or hopping into that Galor, because they want to.
Most of all, plenty of people flying Romulan ships. Besides, even with access to Fed/KDF fleet ships, who knows what interesting and unique options those ships will bring. The Singularity Cores alone will be a different twist, and add in what consoles and such we might have on Romulan ships...we shouldn't dismiss them quite so quickly.
This is actually a really easy question, and the answer may shock you:
To play a Fed or a Klingon. Crazy, I know.
I am going to roll a Romulan because I want to play a Romulan, not for any kind of perceived advantage over the other factions.
What is bad for the game is people who try to tell others how to play it.
Okay, fine, that's only on you. That still doesn't give you a right to tell other players what they can or cannot do with their own characters.
This thread is moot. It will just lead to nothing so why bother?
First: this whole thread like most is my opinion - and what I hope other fleet leaders see as an unfair system and what they "can/could" do about it.
And Fleet leaders have rules for their fleets that range from nothing to extremely strict RP fleets - so what do you mean by "not telling what players can or cannot do with their own characters"
It's my suggestion to fleet leaders who see that what is availible in the base -" Should be availible to everyone" - and if Cryptic won't enforce this basic fleet princple - then they will.
"sighs" You care to answer me what would be the real point of making a Romulan if I could fly a Romulan fleet ship as a Fed/Kdf on day one of LoR?
Dare you to give me a good answer to that.
Where is all of your complaining about how unfair it is Feds have so many more ships than Kdf? Huh...you like talking about unfair then why aren't you lighting up the forums with protest for the Kdf?
Your probably just another lazy selfish Fed that wants a Warbird but doesn't want to put in the effort to level a Romulan.
It will make Cryptic less money as well as cost them more. That's all this is about.