How about no? Unless you want to ban Romulans from joining your Fleet and ban people in your Fleet from making Romulan alts and joining, there is no way to stop this anyway.
Everyone gets a free Romulan character slot so there is no reason why you also can't make a Romulan and take advantage of this.
Romulan is a new faction and needs a few perks to get it populated.
Maybe, but the best way to convince Cryptic is to show them the value of making those ships available to Federation players.
The idea of some kind of boycott isn't going to work because a) it doesn't harm Cryptic in any way and b) players simply have the option of leaving one fleet and joining another.
As I said though, the OP or any one else is obviously welcome to do what they want with their fleet. I just want people to understand that they're probably just going to harm their fleet for very little gain if they do what the OP proposes.
I imagine that some fleets (especially some RP fleets) won't allow Romulans. Others will. Those who do will have more choices for members.
Fine - and what way do you make cryptic open up all fleet ships to all members of the fleet?
Fine - and what way do you make cryptic open up all fleet ships to all members of the fleet?
I don't think there is a way to "make" them do anything.
The best chance if it's really important would be to make a thread discussing why it would be good for Cryptic if Fed/KDF characters could fly the fleet and C-store Romulan ships. If players can come up with good enough reasons, reasons that appeal to Cryptic, then maybe they'll take that feedback and run with it. Maybe not.
You catch more flies with honey than you do with vinegar.
I don't think there is a way to "make" them do anything.
The best chance if it's really important would be to make a thread discussing why it would be good for Cryptic if Fed/KDF characters could fly the fleet and C-store Romulan ships.
You catch more flies with honey than you do with vinegar.
Very true in most cases. But do you know why spray cans with CFC's stopped being produced? Gov't regs? No - the word got out and over 12 months the purchases dropped over 90% - companies stopped producing them - changed to non CFC spray cans because the public got together and stopped buying them.
But as someone said they are trying to get people to roll rommies and spend spend spend - why would they change the policy on allowing existing Fed/Kdf to have equal access unless they are forced to?
No-one seems to get the point - fleets can make a decision for their members - based on a principle that is upheld by most fleet - everyone gets equal access.
Therefore - if everyone does not get equal access - the fleet will tell members that Romulan toons can only build Romulan fleet ships.
This is a blatantly unfair policy - if enough fleets make the choice to require equal access then maybe cryptic will change its policy.
And how is any fleet going to control this? I could create a fleet and say that Romulans can only purchase Fleet Romulan ships. However, what you are suggesting would require remote access since it is really annoying to confirm that every Romulan has only purchased Fleet Romulan ships through Gateway. Gateway only lists the active ship not every ship. So to make sure that Romulans purchase only Fleet Romulan ships, then I as the fleet leader takes control of my member's computer whenever anyone asks me for access to purchase the ship. So I take over their computer, promote them to the appropriate fleet level, purchase the appropriate fleet ship for them, and finally demote them to their previous level. Not sure about the legality about it, but there are very few people stupid enough to go for something like that. Only reasonable way is that if you don't like Romulans having access to Fed or KDF ships, then don't invite them to the fleet.
Why a Romulan would want to fly a Fed or KDF ship is beyond me since they appear to be really interesting ships. Although, I suppose some people have their favourite ships and want every character of theirs to fly them.
Any good fleet leader would never dictate how their members play the game or what ships they can allocate (since everyone participates and helps the fleet as a whole).. Should just be happy to enjoy the game with them.. period.
...no fleet should produce their normal fleet ships + exclusive Romulan ships for Romulan Characters.
However, I don't see anywhere that fleets will provide for the Romulans in terms of ships. Sure, Romulan captians can get, say, the Defiant Fleet Retrofit. But in no way, shape, nor form will the Feds or KDF will be making D'Deridexes or T'lisses. Give me a solid, hard boiled qoute from the mouth of a Dev that says "KDF/Feds can make Romulan ships for the Romulans but not for themselves" and I'll be well inclined to eat my hat. Furthermore, this quote I take directly from the Blog itself:
"Ship Classes
The ships below will be available to players for free upon leveling up. Other Romulan ships, such as Refits and Retrofits of these vessels, as well as completely unique ships, will be available for purchase through the C-Store."
Do note that the word "Fleet" is missing from this description. Therefore, we can safely assume that although there can be a Fleet Mogai, upon release there will not be a Romulan Fleet Version of anything. However, do not construde that this may mean there may never be a fleet mogai. On the contrary, Fleet versions of the current list of Romulan ships will with near absolute certainty show up at a later date and time.
No-one seems to get the point - fleets can make a decision for their members - based on a principle that is upheld by most fleet - everyone gets equal access.
Therefore - if everyone does not get equal access - the fleet will tell members that Romulan toons can only build Romulan fleet ships.
This is a blatantly unfair policy - if enough fleets make the choice to require equal access then maybe cryptic will change its policy.
Herei thought rank permission systems were restricting members from certain content.
Overdramatizing much?
If you're Romulan, and you're allied to a fleet, by all means, feel free to help yourself to what is allowed by you.
Every person who plays this game, has 100% allowability to make themselves a rom character, and join the fleet they've been in for whatever period of time.
Any good fleet leader would never dictate how their members play the game or what ships they can allocate (since everyone participates and helps the fleet as a whole).. Should just be happy to enjoy the game with them.. period.
Agreed. Last I checked, I had fleetmates who've donated several hundred thousand more than I have to the fleet, even upwards of millions more.
And how is any fleet going to control this? I could create a fleet and say that Romulans can only purchase Fleet Romulan ships. However, what you are suggesting would require remote access since it is really annoying to confirm that every Romulan has only purchased Fleet Romulan ships through Gateway. Gateway only lists the active ship not every ship. So to make sure that Romulans purchase only Fleet Romulan ships, then I as the fleet leader takes control of my member's computer whenever anyone asks me for access to purchase the ship. So I take over their computer, promote them to the appropriate fleet level, purchase the appropriate fleet ship for them, and finally demote them to their previous level. Not sure about the legality about it, but there are very few people stupid enough to go for something like that. Only reasonable way is that if you don't like Romulans having access to Fed or KDF ships, then don't invite them to the fleet.
Why a Romulan would want to fly a Fed or KDF ship is beyond me since they appear to be really interesting ships. Although, I suppose some people have their favourite ships and want every character of theirs to fly them.
What you just said in the top 4 or 5 sentences, would be a complete violation of the TOS, you cannot share passwords or have dual accounts.
Just read my siggy! Says it all right there. Well, there's more, follow the link too
Thanks for the expansion that had "as much content as the last"
9 Episodes = 30+ episodes...?
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
It's pronounced "S.T.O." "Stow" sounds idiotic! lol
However, I don't see anywhere that fleets will provide for the Romulans in terms of ships. Sure, Romulan captians can get, say, the Defiant Fleet Retrofit. But in no way, shape, nor form will the Feds or KDF will be making D'Deridexes or T'lisses. Give me a solid, hard boiled qoute from the mouth of a Dev that says "KDF/Feds can make Romulan ships for the Romulans but not for themselves" and I'll be well inclined to eat my hat. Furthermore, this quote I take directly from the Blog itself:
"Ship Classes
The ships below will be available to players for free upon leveling up. Other Romulan ships, such as Refits and Retrofits of these vessels, as well as completely unique ships, will be available for purchase through the C-Store."
Do note that the word "Fleet" is missing from this description. Therefore, we can safely assume that although there can be a Fleet Mogai, upon release there will not be a Romulan Fleet Version of anything. However, do not construde that this may mean there may never be a fleet mogai. On the contrary, Fleet versions of the current list of Romulan ships will with near absolute certainty show up at a later date and time.
[Terilynn] Can you clarify how ships will be able to be used? Will Federation/KDF players be able to fly Romulan vessels? Will Romulan players be able to fly KDF or Starfleet ships?
[dStahl] This is where Romulan Republic captains have an advantage. Not only can they pilot their exclusive Warbird class ships with singularity cores, but they also gain the ability to command ships of their ally, much like Kira Nerys would command the Defiant while still wearing her Bajoran Militia uniform.
Romulans also gain access to the Fleet Ships of their chosen ally as well as any Romulan Republic only Fleet ships. They can also fly any limited edition lock box ship as well.
One potential disadvantage to commanding an allies' ship is that Romulan Captains have a unique species space trait called subterfuge which provides a bonus to cloak and decloak ambush damage. If a Romulan is flying a ship without cloak, they are not getting the most out of their trait.
To clarify, this alliance does not extend in reverse. FED and KDF captains will not be allowed to command Warbirds. The deal that D?Tan makes with these factions when New Romulus is established is for Romulan technology (via the Reputation System) but that doesn?t extend to Republic ships.
Just read my siggy! Says it all right there. Well, there's more, follow the link too
Thank GOD to a player with some sense!! This dual ship policy sets a very bad precedent for the game.
And we are talking about fleet ships - which goes beyond Dan's reasoning of people already spending money on ships - fleet ships are over and above this.
Romulans have should have access to Romulan Fleet ships only.
Fleet leaders cannot control what ships their Fleet members buy. As such the only way to stop them would be to not allow Romulans into the Fleet. That would benefit no one. It would cheat the Romulan player out of the potential to buy Romulan Fleet ships and cheat many existing Fleetbases, which are already starving for more Dilithium and Resources to advance, from getting to T3, T4, or T5.
The boycott is just not a good idea.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
Thank GOD to a player with some sense!! This dual ship policy sets a very bad precedent for the game.
And we are talking about fleet ships - which goes beyond Dan's reasoning of people already spending money on ships - fleet ships are over and above this.
Romulans have should have access to Romulan Fleet ships only.
No fleet in their right mind will adopt this silly policy.
This thread is dumb.
You're not seeing the big picture; being able to use non-Romulan c-store ships and fleet ships is not good for the Romulan faction at all! It just means that they will be forever in the shadow of the Federation and the KDF! Sharing ships = faction is bound on equip buddy.
Thanks for the expansion that had "as much content as the last"
9 Episodes = 30+ episodes...?
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
It's pronounced "S.T.O." "Stow" sounds idiotic! lol
Romulans will have little to none existant selections, for probably months, if not years down the road. I doubt any fleets will have any real issues. You're being over dramatic.
You're not seeing the big picture; being able to use non-Romulan c-store ships and fleet ships is not good for the Romulan faction at all! It just means that they will be forever in the shadow of the Federation and the KDF! Sharing ships = faction is bound on equip buddy.
So, how is it not good for the romulan faction? Explain, like really, an actual valid/reasonable argument, explain.
Fleet leaders cannot control what ships their Fleet members buy. As such the only way to stop them would be to not allow Romulans into the Fleet. That would benefit no one. It would cheat the Romulan player out of the potential to buy Romulan Fleet ships and cheat many existing Fleetbases, which are already starving for more Dilithium and Resources to advance, from getting to T3, T4, or T5.
The boycott is just not a good idea.
So fleet leaders asking fleet members who are Romulans - not to purchase Fed/Kdf fleet ships is not possible?
Explaining that this policy of Cryptic's is not fair and is very biases - is not possible for fleet leaders to do?
So fleet leaders asking fleet members who are Romulans - not to purchase Fed/Kdf fleet ships is not possible?
Explaining that this policy of Cryptic's is not fair and is very biases - is not possible for fleet leaders to do?
I can ask Fleet members to send me pictures of themselves naked. That doesn't mean they're obligated to do so.
And I don't see the policy as biased. I see it as way to make a micro-faction viable in a game that is dominated by Fed and KDF C-Store items.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
What they are doing is devaluing the existing factions.
That right there just shows the disconnect and part you don't understand.
They are not devaluing the existing factions. They loose nothing.
They are giving more value to a brand spanking new level 1 romulan character when he/she finally grinds out to the end with gear and reputation in the form of ship selection. Why people think that is such a big deal is simply beyond me.
So fleet leaders asking fleet members who are Romulans - not to purchase Fed/Kdf fleet ships is not possible?
Explaining that this policy of Cryptic's is not fair and is very biases - is not possible for fleet leaders to do?
Dude, give one, ONE reason why it's such a big deal? I fly a Jem'Hadar Dreadnought Carrier, I have friends flying Galores, in Canon, the Romulan's use of captured Klingon, Federation, even Cardassian vessels is heavily well known and documented. both in novels, and TV series.
The KDF (House of Duras) even gave the Tal Shiar Negh'Vars and BoPs during the television series. Romulan's served on their ships, even.
You're not seeing the big picture; being able to use non-Romulan c-store ships and fleet ships is not good for the Romulan faction at all! It just means that they will be forever in the shadow of the Federation and the KDF! Sharing ships = faction is bound on equip buddy.
I see the picture just fine and I am okay with it. I am not your buddy, friend. It's happening, so.... stop your whining, hit your 'Brace for Impact' and get over it.
So, how is it not good for the romulan faction? Explain, like really, an actual valid/reasonable argument, explain.
First off, let's be civil here, I'm not about to get into an argument on the internet, that's kid stuff.
Okay, so you have Romulans flying around in Vesta's and Galaxy class ships.
Down the road, the Romulan faction can be expanded with new ships, their own starbases etc., making them eventually completely stand alone.
Except, wait!! We've got Romulans with Vesta and Galaxy class ships...we can't take them away, that will make people mad! But if we leave them...the Romulans will have Vesta and Galaxy class ships. I really don't see them pulling apart the factions at that point, and many, many other people agree.
Thanks for the expansion that had "as much content as the last"
9 Episodes = 30+ episodes...?
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
It's pronounced "S.T.O." "Stow" sounds idiotic! lol
What you just said in the top 4 or 5 sentences, would be a complete violation of the TOS, you cannot share passwords or have dual accounts.
There are certain programs available that allows a person to control another computer over the internet. It requires both computers to download it and it can be terminated from either end. These programs are used for tech support and accessing files on a person's work computer from home. So if I was stupid enough to be in a fleet with such a control freak, then I would log in to my account. Ask the fleet leader for permission to get the ship and give up some control to the fleet leader so they can purchase the appropriate ship. So there is no sharing passwords or having dual accounts involved. It might be a violation of the TOS, but not for the reasons you gave. Although, I don't believe dual boxing accounts is in violating of the TOS since many people have created solo fleets through dual boxing.
A fleet can control when people purchase stuff from the Fleet Stores, but they can never control what people purchase without resulting in using extreme draconian measures. This method is an extreme draconian measure and any fleet that uses such measures would be nothing more than a solo fleet with just a control freak and no one to control.
First off, let's be civil here, I'm not about to get into an argument on the internet, that's kid stuff.
Okay, so you have Romulans flying around in Vesta's and Galaxy class ships.
Down the road, the Romulan faction can be expanded with new ships, their own starbases etc., making them eventually completely stand alone.
Except, wait!! We've got Romulans with Vesta and Galaxy class ships...we can't take them away, that will make people mad! But if we leave them...the Romulans will have Vesta and Galaxy class ships. I really don't see them pulling apart the factions at that point, and many, many other people agree.
Dude, they wont get their own starbases, it's already announced, that is why that have the alliances to begin with. Only thing they can gain is more ships, who cares, I could care less if a Rom Faction player is flying an Oddyssey, he's a player in an MMO having fun, who gives a flying TRIBBLE? REally? Who cares? The ONLY class they will get, is "Warbird". That's it, variations fo warbird, sure, but they will never have Raider, Escort, Science, Cruiser, Battle Cruiser classes, it's already been said.
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Everyone gets a free Romulan character slot so there is no reason why you also can't make a Romulan and take advantage of this.
Romulan is a new faction and needs a few perks to get it populated.
Fine - and what way do you make cryptic open up all fleet ships to all members of the fleet?
I don't think there is a way to "make" them do anything.
The best chance if it's really important would be to make a thread discussing why it would be good for Cryptic if Fed/KDF characters could fly the fleet and C-store Romulan ships. If players can come up with good enough reasons, reasons that appeal to Cryptic, then maybe they'll take that feedback and run with it. Maybe not.
You catch more flies with honey than you do with vinegar.
Very true in most cases. But do you know why spray cans with CFC's stopped being produced? Gov't regs? No - the word got out and over 12 months the purchases dropped over 90% - companies stopped producing them - changed to non CFC spray cans because the public got together and stopped buying them.
But as someone said they are trying to get people to roll rommies and spend spend spend - why would they change the policy on allowing existing Fed/Kdf to have equal access unless they are forced to?
And how is any fleet going to control this? I could create a fleet and say that Romulans can only purchase Fleet Romulan ships. However, what you are suggesting would require remote access since it is really annoying to confirm that every Romulan has only purchased Fleet Romulan ships through Gateway. Gateway only lists the active ship not every ship. So to make sure that Romulans purchase only Fleet Romulan ships, then I as the fleet leader takes control of my member's computer whenever anyone asks me for access to purchase the ship. So I take over their computer, promote them to the appropriate fleet level, purchase the appropriate fleet ship for them, and finally demote them to their previous level. Not sure about the legality about it, but there are very few people stupid enough to go for something like that. Only reasonable way is that if you don't like Romulans having access to Fed or KDF ships, then don't invite them to the fleet.
Why a Romulan would want to fly a Fed or KDF ship is beyond me since they appear to be really interesting ships. Although, I suppose some people have their favourite ships and want every character of theirs to fly them.
However, I don't see anywhere that fleets will provide for the Romulans in terms of ships. Sure, Romulan captians can get, say, the Defiant Fleet Retrofit. But in no way, shape, nor form will the Feds or KDF will be making D'Deridexes or T'lisses. Give me a solid, hard boiled qoute from the mouth of a Dev that says "KDF/Feds can make Romulan ships for the Romulans but not for themselves" and I'll be well inclined to eat my hat. Furthermore, this quote I take directly from the Blog itself:
"Ship Classes
The ships below will be available to players for free upon leveling up. Other Romulan ships, such as Refits and Retrofits of these vessels, as well as completely unique ships, will be available for purchase through the C-Store."
Do note that the word "Fleet" is missing from this description. Therefore, we can safely assume that although there can be a Fleet Mogai, upon release there will not be a Romulan Fleet Version of anything. However, do not construde that this may mean there may never be a fleet mogai. On the contrary, Fleet versions of the current list of Romulan ships will with near absolute certainty show up at a later date and time.
http://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/10052253
Why are you not rejoicing?
Herei thought rank permission systems were restricting members from certain content.
Overdramatizing much?
If you're Romulan, and you're allied to a fleet, by all means, feel free to help yourself to what is allowed by you.
Every person who plays this game, has 100% allowability to make themselves a rom character, and join the fleet they've been in for whatever period of time.
Agreed. Last I checked, I had fleetmates who've donated several hundred thousand more than I have to the fleet, even upwards of millions more.
What you just said in the top 4 or 5 sentences, would be a complete violation of the TOS, you cannot share passwords or have dual accounts.
That's the point. There's no way to do what the OP suggests short of not allowing Romulans to purchase at all from a fleet.
So that's it we just let this very bad precedent of allowing one faction have dual ship access - stand.
No problems?
9 Episodes = 30+ episodes...?
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
It's pronounced "S.T.O." "Stow" sounds idiotic! lol
Where was the part about the hat?
Thank GOD to a player with some sense!! This dual ship policy sets a very bad precedent for the game.
And we are talking about fleet ships - which goes beyond Dan's reasoning of people already spending money on ships - fleet ships are over and above this.
Romulans have should have access to Romulan Fleet ships only.
No problems.
Romulans are special, it's kind of cool.
No fleet in their right mind will adopt this silly policy.
This thread is dumb.
There, I said the "C" word. :P
Not one single issue.
The boycott is just not a good idea.
Why thank you! :cool:
You're not seeing the big picture; being able to use non-Romulan c-store ships and fleet ships is not good for the Romulan faction at all! It just means that they will be forever in the shadow of the Federation and the KDF! Sharing ships = faction is bound on equip buddy.
9 Episodes = 30+ episodes...?
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
It's pronounced "S.T.O." "Stow" sounds idiotic! lol
So, how is it not good for the romulan faction? Explain, like really, an actual valid/reasonable argument, explain.
So fleet leaders asking fleet members who are Romulans - not to purchase Fed/Kdf fleet ships is not possible?
Explaining that this policy of Cryptic's is not fair and is very biases - is not possible for fleet leaders to do?
And I don't see the policy as biased. I see it as way to make a micro-faction viable in a game that is dominated by Fed and KDF C-Store items.
That right there just shows the disconnect and part you don't understand.
They are not devaluing the existing factions. They loose nothing.
They are giving more value to a brand spanking new level 1 romulan character when he/she finally grinds out to the end with gear and reputation in the form of ship selection. Why people think that is such a big deal is simply beyond me.
Dude, give one, ONE reason why it's such a big deal? I fly a Jem'Hadar Dreadnought Carrier, I have friends flying Galores, in Canon, the Romulan's use of captured Klingon, Federation, even Cardassian vessels is heavily well known and documented. both in novels, and TV series.
The KDF (House of Duras) even gave the Tal Shiar Negh'Vars and BoPs during the television series. Romulan's served on their ships, even.
You have given no real/legitimate reason at all.
I see the picture just fine and I am okay with it. I am not your buddy, friend. It's happening, so.... stop your whining, hit your 'Brace for Impact' and get over it.
First off, let's be civil here, I'm not about to get into an argument on the internet, that's kid stuff.
Okay, so you have Romulans flying around in Vesta's and Galaxy class ships.
Down the road, the Romulan faction can be expanded with new ships, their own starbases etc., making them eventually completely stand alone.
Except, wait!! We've got Romulans with Vesta and Galaxy class ships...we can't take them away, that will make people mad! But if we leave them...the Romulans will have Vesta and Galaxy class ships. I really don't see them pulling apart the factions at that point, and many, many other people agree.
9 Episodes = 30+ episodes...?
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
It's pronounced "S.T.O." "Stow" sounds idiotic! lol
There are certain programs available that allows a person to control another computer over the internet. It requires both computers to download it and it can be terminated from either end. These programs are used for tech support and accessing files on a person's work computer from home. So if I was stupid enough to be in a fleet with such a control freak, then I would log in to my account. Ask the fleet leader for permission to get the ship and give up some control to the fleet leader so they can purchase the appropriate ship. So there is no sharing passwords or having dual accounts involved. It might be a violation of the TOS, but not for the reasons you gave. Although, I don't believe dual boxing accounts is in violating of the TOS since many people have created solo fleets through dual boxing.
A fleet can control when people purchase stuff from the Fleet Stores, but they can never control what people purchase without resulting in using extreme draconian measures. This method is an extreme draconian measure and any fleet that uses such measures would be nothing more than a solo fleet with just a control freak and no one to control.
Dude, they wont get their own starbases, it's already announced, that is why that have the alliances to begin with. Only thing they can gain is more ships, who cares, I could care less if a Rom Faction player is flying an Oddyssey, he's a player in an MMO having fun, who gives a flying TRIBBLE? REally? Who cares? The ONLY class they will get, is "Warbird". That's it, variations fo warbird, sure, but they will never have Raider, Escort, Science, Cruiser, Battle Cruiser classes, it's already been said.