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Fleet leaders need to boycott Romulans ships
born2bwild1
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(after much feedback - the Title should be: "Fleet leaders 'should' boycott allied fleet ship construction from Romulan Players if Cryptic doesn't!" Problem is that is so long - so i put this feedback right at the top)
In principle no fleet should produce their normal fleet ships + exclusive Romulan ships for Romulan Characters. This policy is completely unfair. Can fleet leaders do something about this unjust policy? Only produce Romulan fleet ships for Romulan players is the answer if Cryptic does not change it.
If Cryptic is going to say that some people in your fleet get Fed/KDF fleet ships + "exclusive" Romulan fleet ships - then you as a fleet leader should be saying -NO
Everyone in the fleet deserves equal access to gear/ships - one group should not have access to 2 sets of gear/ships.
It's my suggestion to fleet leaders who see that what is availible in the base -" Should be availible to everyone" - and if Cryptic won't enforce this basic fleet princple - then they will.
There is no basis for this that Cryptic has justified. They said they were doing this so that people would have access to stuff they already purchased.
Well Fleet ships are character only - so you could not have purchased it and use it for you Romulan character.
A principle in fleets must be upheld - fairness and equal access to all members in good standing and of equal rank.
I certainly hope Cryptic does not allow 1 faction to have access to 2 sets of fleet ships. This is flat out wrong. If they do it is up to fleet leaders to take the ball and say: no member will have access to something the others do not.
And "create a Romulan toon" is not a reasonable excuse - why should someone have to create a romulan toon to get "special" "exclusive" and dual access.
Edit: All comments are welcome to help come up with an ideas to make this blatently unfair policy - modified.
All Fleet ships should be availble to ALL fleet members - PERIOD! This policy is unfair and should be explained to your fleet members:
In principle no fleet should produce their normal fleet ships + exclusive Romulan ships for Romulan Characters. This policy is completely unfair. Can fleet leaders do something about this unjust policy? Only produce Romulan fleet ships for Romulan players is the answer if Cryptic does not change it.
If Cryptic is going to say that some people in your fleet get Fed/KDF fleet ships + "exclusive" Romulan fleet ships - then you as a fleet leader should be saying -NO
Everyone in the fleet deserves equal access to gear/ships - one group should not have access to 2 sets of gear/ships.
It's my suggestion to fleet leaders who see that what is availible in the base -" Should be availible to everyone" - and if Cryptic won't enforce this basic fleet princple - then they will.
There is no basis for this that Cryptic has justified. They said they were doing this so that people would have access to stuff they already purchased.
Well Fleet ships are character only - so you could not have purchased it and use it for you Romulan character.
A principle in fleets must be upheld - fairness and equal access to all members in good standing and of equal rank.
I certainly hope Cryptic does not allow 1 faction to have access to 2 sets of fleet ships. This is flat out wrong. If they do it is up to fleet leaders to take the ball and say: no member will have access to something the others do not.
And "create a Romulan toon" is not a reasonable excuse - why should someone have to create a romulan toon to get "special" "exclusive" and dual access.
Edit: All comments are welcome to help come up with an ideas to make this blatently unfair policy - modified.
All Fleet ships should be availble to ALL fleet members - PERIOD! This policy is unfair and should be explained to your fleet members:
[Terilynn] Can you clarify how ships will be able to be used? Will Federation/KDF players be able to fly Romulan vessels? Will Romulan players be able to fly KDF or Starfleet ships?
[dStahl] This is where Romulan Republic captains have an advantage. Not only can they pilot their exclusive Warbird class ships with singularity cores, but they also gain the ability to command ships of their ally, much like Kira Nerys would command the Defiant while still wearing her Bajoran Militia uniform.
Romulans also gain access to the Fleet Ships of their chosen ally as well as any Romulan Republic only Fleet ships. They can also fly any limited edition lock box ship as well.
One potential disadvantage to commanding an allies' ship is that Romulan Captains have a unique species space trait called subterfuge which provides a bonus to cloak and decloak ambush damage. If a Romulan is flying a ship without cloak, they are not getting the most out of their trait.
To clarify, this alliance does not extend in reverse. FED and KDF captains will not be allowed to command Warbirds. The deal that D’Tan makes with these factions when New Romulus is established is for Romulan technology (via the Reputation System) but that doesn’t extend to Republic ships.
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As far as not allowing Fleet Warbirds, then that is pure discrimination and something that can't be controlled by a Fleet Leader if they have Romulan members.
you missed the point:
no player should have access to exclusive fleet ships AND fleet ships of their choosen ally.
This is an extremely unfair and unbalanced Idea.
fleets should produce "fleet ships" only for the faction
Ie a Fed fleet could produce fed fleet ships for Fed characters - or romulan fleet ships for Romulan characters.
why should Romulan character have access to Romulan fleet ships AND Fed fleet ships?
Why the special status?
If the fleet can produce something it MUST be availible for ALL members of the fleet - this is a pretty standard principle that fleets go by.
as I said they are welcome to Romulan fleet ships. If the want Fed or Kdf fleet ships - "roll a Fed or Kdf toon"
No special status for Romulans.
Because obviously it would be pretty pointless to try to tell every one else what they should do with their fleet.
If my own fleet's leaders tried this kind of lame brain tactic, it would just drive lots of active players to look for a better run fleet. Of course, the leaders of my fleet aren't lame brains, so that's not much of a concern.
Why should Romulan players have dual access and Fed/Kdf players don't?
Ultimately, the Lockbox ships are where the true ship power is at, and they will be available to all, just as they always have been.
So you believe that some members of a fleet should have "exclusive" access to content while others don't?
because that is what you are saying.
I don't know about your fleet, but in mine, the Romulan players will mostly be players who already have fed characters who helped build the fleet.
I'm currently looking for a KDF side fleet, but I definitely wouldn't join one that had such a silly and limited view of the game.
cosmic - it's a principled idea - why should Romulans be give dual access to fleet ships while existing faction members are excluded?
Please explain why not? Makes perfect sense as part of the story that DStahl explained in the recent DevBlog#2. I am not going to copy paste. Here is the link
I believe that every one in my fleet should have access to every option they can, because that's what's most fun for the players. I'd probably like to have the option of having Romulan ships for my Fed characters, but I'm not going to cut off my nose to spite my face and I wouldn't waste my time in a fleet that had such a needlessly spiteful policy.
Who do you really think you'd be punishing with your idea?
I've put over a million fleet credits of stuff into my fleet. We have people who have put 5 million or even 10 million fleet credits of contributions in. It would be pretty silly if they couldn't use the perks that they've well earned.
As I've said before, I've spent over $300.00 on ships in this game already. The fact that I don't need to spend hundreds more to play my Rom is a good thing, IMO. This isn't about logic. It's about economics.
why is it silly to ask for equality between fleet members?
If Romulans can have access to Fed/Kdf fleet ships - why can't they have access to Romulan fleet ships?
that makes logical sense and is not "silly"
So that those of us who play romulans can put them in whatever ship we so choose at the current point in time. You are not seeing the big picture or the future plan that the current implementation allows for.
Current Situation
You can create a KDF or FED and have access to their respective shipyards.
Post Romulan Situation
You can create KDF or FED and have access to their respective shipyards, or create romulan and have acess to one or the other plus your own romulan/faction ships.
Near/Far Future Situation
You will be able to create a Romulan, Cardassian, Liberated Borg, Tribble etc or FED/KDF and have access to the base shipyard of your chosen side/ally (FED/KDF) and of your personal faction. There remains the possibility that new ships will be released at that point that only FED/KDF 'purists' can use such as race specific ships or a particular ship type.
What they should do/have done
Just like now except keep a few of the ships banned from romulan use such as the bird of prey line, flagships, and possibly racial specific ships like andorian or whatever. So they could use 4 out of 5 FED/KDF ships but not quite all.
see my last post.
you will have to spend more money on new fleet ships - you new rommie toons can't use fleet ship bought on a fed toon.
why can't fed/kdf have access to rommie fleet ships if your shipyard is building them?
Every fleet member has the option of rolling a Romulan, don't they? And those who do roll a Romulan will need to build their character up from nothing, including contributing to the fleet to earn fleet credits for that character.
Individual characters are not players.
That's a decision that Cryptic made, to encourage people to try out Romulans. Even if you think it's a bad decision, making a second, even worse decision, isn't helping you or any one else. Making things harder for people in your fleet isn't going to affect Cryptic, it's just going to encourage those people to move elsewhere.
If it makes sense to you and you run a fleet, then do it, and see how it turns out. It's not something that's going to make sense for most players, who don't need their fleet leadership creating arbitrary rules on top of the existing rules. But like I said, if that's what your fleet wants, then you should do it.
Just realize that other fleets are going to happily poach your active members when you make it that easy for them.
No what they are doing is - except for roleplaying - making the original factions obsolete.
What is wrong with restricting Romulans to Romulan fleet ships?
This will become impossible to police unless you deny everyone from purchasing any fleet item as the only permission effects all fleet provisioned purchases. And if you ask other fleets to do the same then you will have an alliance of fleets of one and/or stuck in a prisoners dilemma.
Besides, everyone knows that there's gonna be TONS of Romulan toons flying around in lockbox ships anyways once they hit high enough level.
There are better ways to do that than allow romulans to use other faction ships.
I hope I'll be able to fly romulan, but I'm not even sure Cryptic will make good ship to do so.
Don't blame the players for cryptic decision. Thanks.
What is the answer then to stop this biased and unfair policy?
Roll a Romulan if you want dual access? Wrong/unfair.
You roll a romulan to use Romulan ships.
If someone want Fed or Kdf fleet ships - ROLL one of those.
What they are doing is devaluing the existing factions.
Maybe, but the best way to convince Cryptic is to show them the value of making those ships available to Federation players.
The idea of some kind of boycott isn't going to work because a) it doesn't harm Cryptic in any way and b) players simply have the option of leaving one fleet and joining another.
As I said though, the OP or any one else is obviously welcome to do what they want with their fleet. I just want people to understand that they're probably just going to harm their fleet for very little gain if they do what the OP proposes.
I imagine that some fleets (especially some RP fleets) won't allow Romulans. Others will. Those who do will have more choices for members.
No-one seems to get the point - fleets can make a decision for their members - based on a principle that is upheld by most fleet - everyone gets equal access.
Therefore - if everyone does not get equal access - the fleet will tell members that Romulan toons can only build Romulan fleet ships.
This is a blatantly unfair policy - if enough fleets make the choice to require equal access then maybe cryptic will change its policy.