Personally, I have no problem with the way Cryptic is bringing in the Romulans. I think people had an unrealistic expectation that the same years of work that went into the Feds would be magically mirrored overnight in a Romulan faction.
If more people had played KDF, maybe they would have gone the same way for the third faction.
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I apologize in advance if my comments come across as aggressive.
What right has the UFP to deem it improper for Sela to rule as an Empress? What right has the UFP to deem it acceptable to supply ship and weapons technology (humanitarian aid is fine) to one faction in an internal conflict of another society? All I'm getting from this is that I just have to accept it without explanation. But why? Can't we expand the story to explain why President Aennik Okeg sanctioned these actions? Maybe hes an imposter, or maybe he is against it and the council forced his hand?
I can't believe he cited Kira in command of the defiant as an answer. Hello? That doesn't mean it was suddenly under the ownership of the Bajoran Provisional Government! They certainly didn't get the opportunity to open her up and photocopy the cloaking device at their leisure.
ummmm.... No answer is going to make you happy as you have raged and raged all over these forums about the Romulans since they were announced. A simple answer would be if the feds don't step up, the Klingons will anyways... where does that leave the Federation? An alliance between the Klingons and RR wouldn't bode well for the feds in the fed/kdf war. So to protect the overall stability of the quadrant and balance of power the Feds will have to be flexible as they have in the past with their prime directive.
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[Terilynn] Can you clarify how ships will be able to be used? Will Federation/KDF players be able to fly Romulan vessels? Will Romulan players be able to fly KDF or Starfleet ships?
[dStahl] This is where Romulan Republic captains have an advantage. Not only can they pilot their exclusive Warbird class ships with singularity cores, but they also gain the ability to command ships of their ally, much like Kira Nerys would command the Defiant while still wearing her Bajoran Militia uniform.
Romulans also gain access to the Fleet Ships of their chosen ally as well as any Romulan Republic only Fleet ships. They can also fly any limited edition lock box ship as well.
One potential disadvantage to commanding an allies' ship is that Romulan Captains have a unique species space trait called subterfuge which provides a bonus to cloak and decloak ambush damage. If a Romulan is flying a ship without cloak, they are not getting the most out of their trait.
To clarify, this alliance does not extend in reverse. FED and KDF captains will not be allowed to command Warbirds. The deal that D?Tan makes with these factions when New Romulus is established is for Romulan technology (via the Reputation System) but that doesn?t extend to Republic ships.
Looks to me like that the Federation and Klingons have become more naive than ever. Let's look at the threats lingering at their doorsteps:
- Borg invaded on a large scale
- Species 8472 trying to undermine and destroy both factions
- A known threat of Iconians
- FED and KDF still fighting a war against each other
and yet both factions are giving away their ships with no benefit in return than a Romulan fighting for their side? Now, that seems to make up for everything.
Story and logic-wise very weak.
When it comes to having to decide which side to join as a Romulan I don't have a problem with it at all. It seems OK to me from what I can follow. What I cannot understand is the poor explanation why and how things are leading to this point.
Dear devs, you have raised more questions and are complicating things more than neccessary. The real best thing to stop the worries of the playerbase now would be unlock Romulan play and show players how you want to introduce this long expected faction.
The longer this "Hide and Seek" tactic of you goes, the more players get confused and frustrated.
Not really. Each faction has their own doff pack, aside from those mini-lockbox ones. And from the sound of the blog, as well as some previous info, Roms will use their ally's duty officer packs (for example, getting some rommies AND klingons/orions/gorn), while their own pack is going to be introduced much later. The fact that they say the same about Romulan Republic spiced missions would only support this theory.
Oh well, more contraband for me I guess...
There are plenty of chances to get cross faction and even non-faction Doffs just doing Doff missions as KDF/Feds. As a Romulan I'd bet a player could pay some dilithium to convert ... err ... upgrade ... err ... retrain non-romulan faction doffs into romulan doffs if that player wanted. Not sure why this is a big deal.
Tbh imo, looks like potentionally one of the best updates Cryptic has released in years. I've been consistantly hard on their mgt choices as well just to head off any potential "fan boy" references from anyone.
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i still think roms being able to fly kdf and fd ships is just inherently wrong, even if that limits extreamly what a rom captain has to choose from. claiming a c store fed or rom ship should just deposit the universal console it has in our inventory, not give us the whole ship.
at least fed and kdf cant fly rom ships. NEVER let that happen! no lock boxes or anything!
that being said, i liked everything else i heard in the blog, and am totaly looking forward to this! will lifetimers have access to the closed beta? i think thats a good idea!
Sorry Dan, we don't *want* the "advantage" of being able to fly Fed ships as Romulans. If we wanted that we'd play our Fed captains. Please, please please please get rid of this "feature" before it's too late and the faction is ruined for good.
Visual identity is important. If half of all Romulan characters are in Flavour of the Week C-store Fed/KDF ships, why even bother making a Romulan faction in the first place. By all means make the consoles from C-store ships available cross-faction... But I really don't know how the idea of smudging faction boundaries by allowing ships from one to the other came about, because nobody asked for it...
No one says you have to fly one... but maybe I would prefer to. I doubt many will fly them anyways... the point of being a rommie is for the story and the ships. Besides everyone will want to get more lock box shinys anyways.
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Maybe I am missing something but where are you getting the 40 levels worth information from? From what I read, from the Cardassian series going forward will be the leveling path for the Romulans.
The amount of spin in that article is worthy of Romulans. Most of all, I love how throwing the KDF some bones by letting them play new Fed content is now part of the broader and long-term game design regarding factions. It's all part of the plan!
I also love this:
In some ways, the Romulan Republic is reflective of political divisions making headline news in our world today.
Suddenly the Star Trek game that has avoided the central component of Star Trek's exploration of moral, social, and political issues now has something to say about politics. Of course, it involves WARRRR! and shooting bad guys in the face.
It's difficult not be cynical here when it seems like the story justifications conveniently match what Cryptic can't do, in terms of adding an actual second or third faction that is comparable in any way to the Feds.
I often imagine that the following conversation took place:
PWE: You want to make a third faction??? You never fleshed out or finished the second one!
Cryptic: Don't worry, that's not our definition of a faction. We'll just give the third faction the end game content of the other two, plus anything the other two share.
I'll be highly surprised if any of that shared content even makes sense for Romulans to play. They'll be asking, gee what do I do with Starfleet boffs on my Excelsior? Oh well, time to go protect the Federation from the Tholian menace! I need to dump my dilithium into that Federation base.
Since when is having the devs give people MORE options a bad thing? People have always said in these forums that they should give us the option of choice, not take it away. Nobody is stopping a Romulan faction character from flying only Romulan ships. At no point will you have to fly a Fed/KDF ship, but that option is simply there for those that want it.
If people convince Cryptic to take away a choice that they wanted to give us, that will set a very bad precedent.
Maybe I am missing something but where are you getting the 40 levels worth information from? From what I read, from the Cardassian series going forward will be the leveling path for the Romulans.
I could have misread something.
Think you have yes
Read the big blog posts carefully
they said we can have the FE series that you Start at level 40+
And pre 40 its unigue or semi unique Romulan stuff
And I Still want a Romulan hand weapon like the npcs who keep shooting them at me
and some of those stupidly powerful double str plasma grenades from new romulus
There are plenty of chances to get cross faction and even non-faction Doffs just doing Doff missions as KDF/Feds. As a Romulan I'd bet a player could pay some dilithium to convert ... err ... upgrade ... err ... retrain non-romulan faction doffs into romulan doffs if that player wanted. Not sure why this is a big deal.
I've got no problem with doffs themselves, but rather with the fact that romulan doff system seems to be the exact same one of their allies.
There are many good points in the commens as to why would anyone want to create FED/KDF character for purposes other than the story.
Roms get FED/KDF toys, ships, system, missions, as well as their own. This may and probably will be fun, don't get me wrong, but when we'll look at the bigger picture there are some concerns as to whether they're really a faction, or just re-skinned FED/KDF with added bonuses.
The real dispute is what a faction in a MMO means to people, to me this not a faction by the other mmo's I have played standards. Like the Panda race in WoW its a race choice with cool content of its own for Blue and Red team players.
Okay, it makes sense and looks cool, except (and this is a big except) for romulan flying non romulan ships. Lockbox ships are ok but not fed/kdf ships. This shouldn't be possible. I hope you just remove this option.
Maybe find a way to limit them, like in terms of tier of fed/kdf can be used or have a hard limit on ship slot a romulan captain can use to store fed/kdf ships.... (or both).
If consoles are an issue, need a way to let romulans have access to these, I will let creative people put their minds on that one.
I appreciate all of the work put into this expansion, May will be great. Just one thing Cryptic, please consider removing the Romulan ability to fly Starfleet and KDF ships. I could see the factions sharing technology, but the Klingons would never share their ships with the Romulans and Starfleet Intelligence would be very strongly opposed to sharing their latest technology with a race known for their deception. Having Starfleet/KDF ships on the Romulan side would also break the immersion to a degree.
Since when is having the devs give people MORE options a bad thing? People have always said in these forums that they should give us the option of choice, not take it away. Nobody is stopping a Romulan faction character from flying only Romulan ships. At no point will you have to fly a Fed/KDF ship, but that option is simply there for those that want it.
If people convince Cryptic to take away a choice that they wanted to give us, that will set a very bad precedent.
Because at some point options get in the way of the game's integrity. As has been pointed out, if we are going to allow different factions' captains access to each others ships, why have the factions differentiated to begin with?
It sounds like the Romulans will be getting 1 or 2 unique episode series and then it is back to doing the shared series. Disappointing.:(
Quite the opposite, actually. From the interview: ...What this means in gameplay terms is that there are a host of new episodes and missions that were created exclusively for the Romulan Republic. They have several exclusive mission journal tabs...
The way I see it, it is up to you the player as to how you play your Romulan. Just because you have the "ability" to fly your allied specific ships doesn't mean that you HAVE TO do it.
BINGO. I'm not a fan of the ship sharing, but I think people should be able to if it works for the story.
And really, I don't think a lot of Romulan players will choose to fly the other faction's ships. Who rolls a Romulan character to fly an Odyssey or a Bortasqu'?
Looks to me like that the Federation and Klingons have become more naive than ever. Let's look at the threats lingering at their doorsteps:
- Borg invaded on a large scale
- Species 8472 trying to undermine and destroy both factions
- A known threat of Iconians
- FED and KDF still fighting a war against each other
and yet both factions are giving away their ships with no benefit in return than a Romulan fighting for their side? Now, that seems to make up for everything.
Story and logic-wise very weak.
They're helping the Republic become a major power so that when the Iconians show up they'll have more guns aimed at them. Also helping to destabilize the Tal Shiar. Sounds logical to me.
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Maybe find a way to limit them, like in terms of tier of fed/kdf can be used or have a hard limit on ship slot a romulan captain can use to store fed/kdf ships.... (or both).
If consoles are an issue, need a way to let romulans have access to these, I will let creative people put their minds on that one.
Honestly I might be wrong, but I think most people only really use 1 ship. The people who have a toon that switches between ships are probably a minority. Better to build another toon with the second ship if you can get the character slots.
If people convince Cryptic to take away a choice that they wanted to give us, that will set a very bad precedent.
I find this precedent preferable to de-factionalizing ships being the precedent. The implications would destroy any bastion of hope that this is still a Star Trek Game.
Will we have Romulan Warbirds for all levels as we level up so we may stay in Romulan only ships or is this where the "sharing" of KDF or FED ships comes into play?
Yes; there are Romulan Warbirds available at every tier. More information about these ships will be posted in a Dev Blog in the very near future.
Sorry Dan, we don't *want* the "advantage" of being able to fly Fed ships as Romulans. If we wanted that we'd play our Fed captains.
I agree with this, I really don't want Romulans warping around in Fed/KDF ships. I get that you are trying to soften the blow of switching factions for those of us who have some money invested into the game, but wouldn't giving us access to special ship consoles, based on what C-Store ships we own, be a reasonable compromise?
Also, I'd like to hear more about why romulans don't get the option to create their own fleets and build their own starbases. I get that you didn't want to force it on players who already are in fleets with advanced Starbases, but not all of us are, and in addition, those of us serious about making Romulans are mains are already giving up a ton of work. DOFFs, accolades, commendations, and Reputation. I also plan on leveling crafting again since my future Romulan would be my new main.
I feel that I am being cut off from what could be a fun, if difficult, climb for those of us choosing to set all our other past work aside. I'm also worried that even if you do it down the road, it is only delaying having to grind twice, a lot of fleets aren't T5 yet, or even T3 or T4 for that matter, so we keep on having to work on our Fed/KDF base, in a Fed/KDF fleet, and say a year from now you introduce romulan Fleets/Starbases, isn't that going to be a harder choice then if you let us do it now?
I'd also want to know more about what, if any, restrictions there might be for Romulan group play based on allied faction.
If I'm Fed aligned and another Romulan is KDF aligned, would we be able to join the same fleet?
Would we be able to level together through the Romulan story after the alliance choice?
Would we be able to team and queue for PvP together?
Honestly I might be wrong, but I think most people only really use 1 ship. The people who have a toon that switches between ships are probably a minority. Better to build another toon with the second ship if you can get the character slots.
well I for one am the total opposite of that, I focus on one toon and I have different ships set up for almost every type of mission including: STFs, Azure Nebula, Sorties, Fed. Minefield, Tau Dewa Patrols, ect. Each instance I shift to a different ship and when I doff i use my Tuffli. I am not sure if I am more unique in this instance but for me its not uncommon to switch between 3 ships an hour of playtime.
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If more people had played KDF, maybe they would have gone the same way for the third faction.
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40 levels worth
Thats a hell of a lot more than the Feds have
meanwhile I think I have found the Battle theme for my Romulans
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qK8zvcQKVrc&feature=relmfu
ummmm.... No answer is going to make you happy as you have raged and raged all over these forums about the Romulans since they were announced. A simple answer would be if the feds don't step up, the Klingons will anyways... where does that leave the Federation? An alliance between the Klingons and RR wouldn't bode well for the feds in the fed/kdf war. So to protect the overall stability of the quadrant and balance of power the Feds will have to be flexible as they have in the past with their prime directive.
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Looks to me like that the Federation and Klingons have become more naive than ever. Let's look at the threats lingering at their doorsteps:
- Borg invaded on a large scale
- Species 8472 trying to undermine and destroy both factions
- A known threat of Iconians
- FED and KDF still fighting a war against each other
and yet both factions are giving away their ships with no benefit in return than a Romulan fighting for their side? Now, that seems to make up for everything.
Story and logic-wise very weak.
When it comes to having to decide which side to join as a Romulan I don't have a problem with it at all. It seems OK to me from what I can follow. What I cannot understand is the poor explanation why and how things are leading to this point.
Dear devs, you have raised more questions and are complicating things more than neccessary. The real best thing to stop the worries of the playerbase now would be unlock Romulan play and show players how you want to introduce this long expected faction.
The longer this "Hide and Seek" tactic of you goes, the more players get confused and frustrated.
There are plenty of chances to get cross faction and even non-faction Doffs just doing Doff missions as KDF/Feds. As a Romulan I'd bet a player could pay some dilithium to convert ... err ... upgrade ... err ... retrain non-romulan faction doffs into romulan doffs if that player wanted. Not sure why this is a big deal.
Tbh imo, looks like potentionally one of the best updates Cryptic has released in years. I've been consistantly hard on their mgt choices as well just to head off any potential "fan boy" references from anyone.
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at least fed and kdf cant fly rom ships. NEVER let that happen! no lock boxes or anything!
that being said, i liked everything else i heard in the blog, and am totaly looking forward to this! will lifetimers have access to the closed beta? i think thats a good idea!
No one says you have to fly one... but maybe I would prefer to. I doubt many will fly them anyways... the point of being a rommie is for the story and the ships. Besides everyone will want to get more lock box shinys anyways.
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Maybe I am missing something but where are you getting the 40 levels worth information from? From what I read, from the Cardassian series going forward will be the leveling path for the Romulans.
I could have misread something.
I also love this:
Suddenly the Star Trek game that has avoided the central component of Star Trek's exploration of moral, social, and political issues now has something to say about politics. Of course, it involves WARRRR! and shooting bad guys in the face.
It's difficult not be cynical here when it seems like the story justifications conveniently match what Cryptic can't do, in terms of adding an actual second or third faction that is comparable in any way to the Feds.
I often imagine that the following conversation took place:
PWE: You want to make a third faction??? You never fleshed out or finished the second one!
Cryptic: Don't worry, that's not our definition of a faction. We'll just give the third faction the end game content of the other two, plus anything the other two share.
I'll be highly surprised if any of that shared content even makes sense for Romulans to play. They'll be asking, gee what do I do with Starfleet boffs on my Excelsior? Oh well, time to go protect the Federation from the Tholian menace! I need to dump my dilithium into that Federation base.
If people convince Cryptic to take away a choice that they wanted to give us, that will set a very bad precedent.
Think you have yes
Read the big blog posts carefully
they said we can have the FE series that you Start at level 40+
And pre 40 its unigue or semi unique Romulan stuff
And I Still want a Romulan hand weapon like the npcs who keep shooting them at me
and some of those stupidly powerful double str plasma grenades from new romulus
Thats a great question!
There are many good points in the commens as to why would anyone want to create FED/KDF character for purposes other than the story.
Roms get FED/KDF toys, ships, system, missions, as well as their own. This may and probably will be fun, don't get me wrong, but when we'll look at the bigger picture there are some concerns as to whether they're really a faction, or just re-skinned FED/KDF with added bonuses.
Maybe find a way to limit them, like in terms of tier of fed/kdf can be used or have a hard limit on ship slot a romulan captain can use to store fed/kdf ships.... (or both).
If consoles are an issue, need a way to let romulans have access to these, I will let creative people put their minds on that one.
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Is there any way of getting into the closed beta
Because at some point options get in the way of the game's integrity. As has been pointed out, if we are going to allow different factions' captains access to each others ships, why have the factions differentiated to begin with?
Quite the opposite, actually. From the interview: ...What this means in gameplay terms is that there are a host of new episodes and missions that were created exclusively for the Romulan Republic. They have several exclusive mission journal tabs...
Cheers,
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BINGO. I'm not a fan of the ship sharing, but I think people should be able to if it works for the story.
And really, I don't think a lot of Romulan players will choose to fly the other faction's ships. Who rolls a Romulan character to fly an Odyssey or a Bortasqu'?
They're helping the Republic become a major power so that when the Iconians show up they'll have more guns aimed at them. Also helping to destabilize the Tal Shiar. Sounds logical to me.
According to the Ask Cryptic, they get their own unique storyline content all the way to endgame.
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-Thomas Marrone
Honestly I might be wrong, but I think most people only really use 1 ship. The people who have a toon that switches between ships are probably a minority. Better to build another toon with the second ship if you can get the character slots.
I find this precedent preferable to de-factionalizing ships being the precedent. The implications would destroy any bastion of hope that this is still a Star Trek Game.
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So you'd restrict them from things that are already cross faction?
Yes; there are Romulan Warbirds available at every tier. More information about these ships will be posted in a Dev Blog in the very near future.
Cheers,
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One Major vessel (normally a cruiser)
And one Shuttle or small craft
A couple have more (My Klingon Carrier captain has a Bird of prey in the hanger for example)
I agree with this, I really don't want Romulans warping around in Fed/KDF ships. I get that you are trying to soften the blow of switching factions for those of us who have some money invested into the game, but wouldn't giving us access to special ship consoles, based on what C-Store ships we own, be a reasonable compromise?
Also, I'd like to hear more about why romulans don't get the option to create their own fleets and build their own starbases. I get that you didn't want to force it on players who already are in fleets with advanced Starbases, but not all of us are, and in addition, those of us serious about making Romulans are mains are already giving up a ton of work. DOFFs, accolades, commendations, and Reputation. I also plan on leveling crafting again since my future Romulan would be my new main.
I feel that I am being cut off from what could be a fun, if difficult, climb for those of us choosing to set all our other past work aside. I'm also worried that even if you do it down the road, it is only delaying having to grind twice, a lot of fleets aren't T5 yet, or even T3 or T4 for that matter, so we keep on having to work on our Fed/KDF base, in a Fed/KDF fleet, and say a year from now you introduce romulan Fleets/Starbases, isn't that going to be a harder choice then if you let us do it now?
I'd also want to know more about what, if any, restrictions there might be for Romulan group play based on allied faction.
If I'm Fed aligned and another Romulan is KDF aligned, would we be able to join the same fleet?
Would we be able to level together through the Romulan story after the alliance choice?
Would we be able to team and queue for PvP together?
well I for one am the total opposite of that, I focus on one toon and I have different ships set up for almost every type of mission including: STFs, Azure Nebula, Sorties, Fed. Minefield, Tau Dewa Patrols, ect. Each instance I shift to a different ship and when I doff i use my Tuffli. I am not sure if I am more unique in this instance but for me its not uncommon to switch between 3 ships an hour of playtime.