Actually like what they're doing with the Romulan's, it leaves their future 'destiny' untold as they could become strong enough and shake off outsider influence when the opportunity arises.
Looking forward to seeing the KDF faction finally completed too, my Ferasan engineer and Gorn science officer will finally see the light of day, plus a Romulan something or other lol.
This is why I've been calling the New Romulan government Spock Jr.'s Fed-Lite Republic. I get that we (the players) are all about Truth, Justice, and the American Way, but that's the Feds' shtick. There are ways of making an Imperial power the good guys, at least from their own point of view. I hope the story reflects this in some way.
You can make a villain a protagonist only by giving them an antagonist that is even worse. The Godfather works as a story because for all the horrible things the Corleone family does, the other families are worse.
Also realize that the desire for freedom, self-expression, and all those other inalienable rights is universal. Given the tyranny and repression the Romulans have endured, and the weakened if not non-existent condition of the Imperial government, making the conditions ripe for revolution, how do you propose Cryptic write a story where dragging an old man out of his bed in the middle of the night and shooting him in the head because he told a co-worker that the right to vote seems pretty keen, makes the protagonist a good guy?
Because that's essentially what you're asking for. Oh, and remember to make the characters three-dimensional, who do what they do because of their own psychology, and not because you, the writer, decided that all Romulans love being oppressed.
We're not talking the relatively-benign British Empire here (which was still hated by a whole lot of its non-English - and even some English - constituents). We're talking Stalinist Soviet Union.
Also realize that the desire for freedom, self-expression, and all those other inalienable rights is universal. Given the tyranny and repression the Romulans have endured, and the weakened if not non-existent condition of the Imperial government, making the conditions ripe for revolution, how do you propose Cryptic write a story where dragging an old man out of his bed in the middle of the night and shooting him in the head because he told a co-worker that the right to vote seems pretty keen, makes the protagonist a good guy?
Because that's essentially what you're asking for. Oh, and remember to make the characters three-dimensional, who do what they do because of their own psychology, and not because you, the writer, decided that all Romulans love being oppressed.
We're not talking the relatively-benign British Empire here (which was still hated by a whole lot of its non-English - and even some English - constituents). We're talking Stalinist Soviet Union.
...what? Have you read the Path to 2409? Sela's reign as Praetor began with unprecedented peace throughout the Empire, and she was able to declare herself Empress without fuss, while instilling a sense that the old ways of Romulus were a grand way to go about doing things. It is implied that she becomes an autocratic dictator, yes, but where the heck are you getting "dragging an old man out of his bed in the middle of the night and shooting him in the head?"
Even in the first episode, Romulans have a great sense of duty and honor. I'm sure that eventually it will be revealed that Sela / Hakeev is working with the Iconians, and the general Romulan people won't like that, but that's not going to make them all suddenly run to the Reunification movement and Spock Jr.'s Fed-Lite Republic. If anything, they would reinstall a Senate and a Praetorship, ratehr than ally with the Feds or the KDF.
The Romulan Star Empire is enjoying a time of peace that it hasn't seen since the destruction of the Romulan homeworld almost two decades ago. Praetor Sela settles long-simmering disputes between colony worlds, opens the Romulus memorial at the remains of the homeworld, and gently shapes the Senate to her way of thinking.
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Observers at the coronation say that it proceeds with as much pomp and circumstance as the recovering empire can muster. Sela calls for a return to the traditions of old, including the carrying of honor blades and blood oaths.
In fact, before taking the crown the empress publicly uses a jeweled blade to cut her own palm. As the blood dripped down onto a rug of white fur, Sela takes an oath to uphold and preserve the empire with her life.
"Tradition is very important in this new order," the SI source says. "Sela is consciously recalling a golden age on the old homeworld, and using those memories to inspire the people. They're talking about mnhei'sahe again, and a lot of people have started referring to Nova Roma as Mol'Rihan, which is 'New Romulus' in High Rihannsu."
Seems to me that until she gets revealed as an Iconian ally, she's doing good things for the Empire, and I don't see Romulans leaving the Empire itself just because their leader is a bad apple. Like I said, with the reinvigoration of Romulan culture (mnhei'sahe etc.) why would a majority of Romulans flock to the Fed-Lite Republic, even if Sela ends up being bad?
You can make a villain a protagonist only by giving them an antagonist that is even worse. The Godfather works as a story because for all the horrible things the Corleone family does, the other families are worse.
Also realize that the desire for freedom, self-expression, and all those other inalienable rights is universal. Given the tyranny and repression the Romulans have endured, and the weakened if not non-existent condition of the Imperial government, making the conditions ripe for revolution, how do you propose Cryptic write a story where dragging an old man out of his bed in the middle of the night and shooting him in the head because he told a co-worker that the right to vote seems pretty keen, makes the protagonist a good guy?
Because that's essentially what you're asking for. Oh, and remember to make the characters three-dimensional, who do what they do because of their own psychology, and not because you, the writer, decided that all Romulans love being oppressed.
We're not talking the relatively-benign British Empire here (which was still hated by a whole lot of its non-English - and even some English - constituents). We're talking Stalinist Soviet Union.
A worse enemy than the Villain protagonist? How about the Iconians? Who blew up the homeworld? Or the Klingons, their mortal enemies? Or the Federation? It hasn't stopped the KDF from blowing them up.
As for desire for freedom etc. YOu should realize that the cultural interpruetations of those concepts vary from culture to culture, yes? If Star Trek is truely all about the Human condition, than it shouldn't shy away from exploring alternative cultures. And again ,the existance of the KDF faction contradicts your narrow view.
No, it isn't what people are talking about. We are talking about Romulan stuff like going undercover, infiltrating bases, extracting moles, and engaging in precision first strikes against enemy targets. No one is asking that we need to be shooting old men in the head or whatever.
it should be noted that the KDF has a duty officer assignments like "Execute for incompetence/execute for cowardice/execute mutineers/sell prisoners to orion slavers, etc etc" Double standards much? Every time I bring up the obvious parallells with the KDf, you skirt the issue.
Romulans are already plenty 3-dimensional enoguh already, or were you missing out on the episode where Troi infiltrated a Romulan Warbird?
...what? Have you read the Path to 2409? Sela's reign as Praetor began with unprecedented peace throughout the Empire, and she was able to declare herself Empress without fuss, while instilling a sense that the old ways of Romulus were a grand way to go about doing things. It is implied that she becomes an autocratic dictator, yes, but where the heck are you getting "dragging an old man out of his bed in the middle of the night and shooting him in the head?"
TORETH: Protection? From what? How was the Empire threatened by the words of an old man, a devoted citizen who merely tried to speak his mind? How did the Tal Shiar protect the Empire by dragging him, my father, out of his home in the middle of the night?... He was just an idealistic old man. I never saw him again.
Star Trek: TNG, "Face of the Enemy"
Seems to me that until she gets revealed as an Iconian ally, she's doing good things for the Empire, and I just don't see Romulans leaving the Empire itself just because their leader is a bad apple.
They're not revolting because one leader is a bad apple (although I will point out that "one bad apple" - George III - more or less caused the American Revolution), but because they've endured the oppression and tyranny of their government for generations. It's not "one bad apple" it's "they're all bad apples." The common man doesn't care about kings or empire, they care about food on the table and not having family members dragged off in the middle of the night by their own government for expressing their opinion. And don't forget that right next door is a free and prosperous democratic society. The common Romulan isn't going to want to go back to Emperors and secret police; he's going to want what the Federation has.
They're not revolting because one leader is a bad apple (although I will point out that "one bad apple" - George III - more or less caused the American Revolution), but because they've endured the oppression and tyranny of their government for generations. It's not "one bad apple" it's "they're all bad apples." The common man doesn't care about kings or empire, they care about food on the table and not having family members dragged off in the middle of the night by their own government for expressing their opinion. And don't forget that right next door is a free and prosperous democratic society. The common Romulan isn't going to want to go back to Emperors and secret police; he's going to want what the Federation has.
Ah, yes. Toreth. Whom you keep quoting as beign cut from the same cloth as the likes of D'Tan. And yet she had no problem with killing one of Spock's followers or torturing and killing Troi/Rakel the moment she found out she was working ofr the federation. In the end, she was completely loyal to the RSE, whatever her feeligns towards the tal'Shiar. You seem to think that all Romulans are 'two dimensional' evil monsters, yet ignore the exceptions, like Toreth that show the Romulans have a capacity not only for keeping their sneaky and decietful RSE ways, but of having personalities of their own.
As for Romulans wanting what the Federation has? You talk about how everyone who disagrees with you is stereotyping, yet you seem to ignore the importance of tradition and culture on people. Folks have a tendency to clign to their way of life, no matter how 'barbaric' it may seem to you. Assuming that one particular culture is inherently better than yours and that it's only natural and inevitable that they choose yours over theirs when given the chance is a rather ethnocentric viewpoint. This isn't a question of a few 'bad apples' (and lol at blaming the revolutionary war on King george) but a case of going up agaisnt a whole culture.
Get off of you conspiracy theories. Her numbers are not subjective and the 47% she discounted were posts which were not taking any side in the argument. She only confirmed what every intelligent person already knew. There are a relatively small group of posters who post in all most every thread repeatedly and who do not make up a majority.
Yeah, sorry, just claiming conspiracy theory and countering with an exaggerated opinion isn't how it works. "She only confirmed what every intelligent person already knew." is an irrelevant piece of flawed logic.
I don't mind people disagreeing with me, but that's not the way to go about it.
I apologize in advance if my comments come across as aggressive.
What right has the UFP to deem it improper for Sela to rule as an Empress? What right has the UFP to deem it acceptable to supply ship and weapons technology (humanitarian aid is fine) to one faction in an internal conflict of another society? All I'm getting from this is that I just have to accept it without explanation. But why? Can't we expand the story to explain why President Aennik Okeg sanctioned these actions? Maybe hes an imposter, or maybe he is against it and the council forced his hand?
I can't believe he cited Kira in command of the defiant as an answer. Hello? That doesn't mean it was suddenly under the ownership of the Bajoran Provisional Government! They certainly didn't get the opportunity to open her up and photocopy the cloaking device at their leisure.
It's quite possible that the Federation doesn't recognize the sovereignty of Sela's empire, which would allow them to aide the New Romulan Republic with weapons and help them fight the Tal Shiar and Sela's military without violating the Prime Directive. As I recall, Sela's rise to power was rather nefarious, and would be a logical conclusion to assume that this is the explanation. Even if Sela's government is recognized, if the Federation accepts the New Romulan Republic as an independent state, it would no longer be considered an internal conflict.
Actually they're about the same size as those who are in favor of it, it's about fifty fifty according to the breakdown of positive and negative posts
Nonsense I am a huge Romulan fan and have been wanting to play one since launch. Do I think the way Cryptic is doing this is perfect? No. But I do understand why they are doing it an I accept that. My beef is with the negative nancy mouth breathing trolls who come into every thread whining like children about whatever the fashionable complaint of the week is and loudly and falsely claiming they are the majority when clearly they are not. They are simply the loudest.
Yeah, sorry, just claiming conspiracy theory and countering with an exaggerated opinion isn't how it works. "She only confirmed what every intelligent person already knew." is an irrelevant piece of flawed logic.
I don't mind people disagreeing with me, but that's not the way to go about it.
I'm sorry but claiming she is working for Cryptic for showing that the negativists are not in fact the majority is the logic of conspiracy theorists. If you would actually argue in good faith instead of whining and accusing others of being on Cryptics payroll then you would get an answer aimed at grown ups.
My beef is with the negative nancy mouth breathing trolls who come into every thread whining like children about whatever the fashionable complaint of the week is and loudly and falsely claiming they are the majority when clearly they are not. They are simply the loudest.
I'd laugh at the irony of this if it wasn't so sad.
I'm sorry but claiming she is working for Cryptic for showing that the negativists are not in fact the majority is the logic of conspiracy theorists. If you would actually argue in good faith instead of whining and accusing others of being on Cryptics payroll then you would get an answer aimed at grown ups.
Actually that's not what I claimed at all. When the majority of your posts seem oriented towards insulting people (such as myself) and providing falsities, that's not a discussion worth having.
Granted they wouldn't have their own star bases, but seriously do you want to grind that?
Yes. Yes, I do (I also want a unique Romulan duty officer counterpart to Diplomacy/Marauding - perhaps Contacts, to represent more informal ties than the Federation formal diplomacy [instead of receiving dignitaries, you meet with captains, etc], which I suppose we are slightly more likely to get).
[Terilynn] Will the new Romulan faction have full access to a Duty Officer system?
[dStahl] Yes. Romulan captains and ships will be able to use the Duty Officer System and we are adding Romulans and Remans to Duty Officer Packs. We also have exclusive Romulan DOFF packs planned in the near future. Romulans will be able to completely outfit their ships with Romulan/Reman DOFFs and BOFFs. FED and KDF captains will also be able to obtain Romulan and Reman bridge officers. We also plan to offer Romulan Republic flavored Duty Officer Missions.
Are we (as Romulans) going to have a unique Romulan Duty Officer System, or will we be sharing the one of the alliance we choose?
I read on the forums that it'll be the latter, (though we will get some romulan-specific duty officer assignments). Can't say I'm a fan of this for some rather obvious reasons; I'm not in the belief that a Romulan officer would execute a fellow officer for disobedience. Could you clear this up?
[Terilynn] Can you clarify how ships will be able to be used? Will Federation/KDF players be able to fly Romulan vessels? Will Romulan players be able to fly KDF or Starfleet ships?
[dStahl] This is where Romulan Republic captains have an advantage. Not only can they pilot their exclusive Warbird class ships with singularity cores, but they also gain the ability to command ships of their ally, much like Kira Nerys would command the Defiant while still wearing her Bajoran Militia uniform.
So Romulans get to fly Federation/Klingon ships? Can't say I'm fond of this idea. Sure Kira Nerys was able to command the Defiant, but the Defiant was never crewed entirely by the Bajoran Provisional Government, and I highly doubt Starfleet would be in the position to hand one of their warships over to an 'ally'. Still, you've made your call on this. I can only hope this doesn't extend to all fleet ships; such vessels as the Fleet Assault Cruiser and Fleet Advanced Escorts (etc) should remain specific to the Federation (in my opinion at least).
[Terilynn] There seems to be a bit of confusion about the ability to unlock Reman play. Can you clarify if a current Federation or Klingon player be able to unlock Reman play by accessing the Romulan reputation system, or will that only be limited to completing Romulan reputation as a Romulan player?
[dStahl] All accounts will have the ability to unlock the Reman species, which is an exclusive species to the Romulan Republic, in one of two ways: they can either purchase the species unlock, or they can earn it by achieving maximum tier in the Romulan Reputation with a captain of any faction. A FED or KDF captain that has already achieved max tier in the reputation has already unlocked the Reman species and it will be available for them when they go to create a new Romulan character after May 21.
...so if I have completed the Romulan Rep System on one character, I can purchase Reman on any character?
Example: I've completed the Romulan Rep System on a Federation character of mine; does this mean I'll only be able to buy a Reman for my Federation character, or will I be able to purchase a Reman Bridge Officer for my Klingon/Romulan characters too?
...so if I have completed the Romulan Rep System on one character, I can purchase Reman on any character?
Example: I've completed the Romulan Rep System on a Federation character of mine; does this mean I'll only be able to buy a Reman for my Federation character, or will I be able to purchase a Reman Bridge Officer for my Klingon/Romulan characters too?
Also, are these Reman Bridge Officers Bound?
The unlock is for playing a Reman, not buying Boffs.
Sorry Dan, we don't *want* the "advantage" of being able to fly Fed ships as Romulans. If we wanted that we'd play our Fed captains. Please, please please please get rid of this "feature" before it's too late and the faction is ruined for good.
Visual identity is important. If half of all Romulan characters are in Flavour of the Week C-store Fed/KDF ships, why even bother making a Romulan faction in the first place. By all means make the consoles from C-store ships available cross-faction... But I really don't know how the idea of smudging faction boundaries by allowing ships from one to the other came about, because nobody asked for it...
I will try to Remain Calm and be Diplomatic, but posts like these infuriate me. I for one did not Vote you Community Advocate. I am also quite sure that no-one died and named you Community Kingpin either. While you are entitled to your opinion, that does not give you any right to dismiss the opinions of others.
I for one wholly support both the decision and the justifications for Romulan Player Characters having access to Some ally ships. Instead of listing All the Precedents i'll content myself with just three: Deep Space Nine/Terok Nor was a Cardassian space station operated by the Bajoran Militia and their Starfleet Allies. During the Klingon-Cardassian War Gul Dukat had taken a Klingon Bird-of-Prey and kept it like half a season. Sisko & Crew used a captured Dominion ship in an episode or two.
While "Eternal Optimism" is at the heart of Star Trek, the ideals of diversity & tolerance were key elements in the series. Arrogance, close-mindedness and condescending behavior towards others has no place in Any Community, especially a Trek Community. I strongly suggest to all who think Their Way is the Only Way to take it elsewhere or better yet, take a break from forums & games to rethink their lives.
Thank you.
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I am beginning to really worry that there won't be three classes of warbirds. Please tell me that the trinity will carry over to the Romulans in some form.
Gotta love how the same questions are asked over and over like they were in the last blog thread and the Ask Cryptic...
Dan did say people will get a free character slot for a Romulan character, he just isn't sure how they will do it. Not a problem for me personally I have 7 free slots anyway.
I've love to see the Garadians (from a Final Unity) added into the Romulan faction sometime in the future. In fact I'd like to see both the Romulan and KDF species list expanded to the same levels as the Federation. I would also like all species to have no forced traits but unique optionals. Alien and Joined Trill are really the only species that a player can get a really great set-up on. With no traits going to waste like on other species.
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So romulans are kinda xenophobic and we have a half embodying the romulans attitudes ... does she calls herself names in the mirror?
Its a strange point of view thinking she does that.
Again where is the xenophobic attribute of Romulans quoted or inferred? Romulans have superior attitude -A Romulan general would not impregnate an an alien or would their military allow an alien to rise to a rank of commander if they are "xenophobic"
They allow an Alien clone command troops and have enough say that his voice is heard in the Senate again xenophobic?
They are based on Romans and anyone could become a citizen after doing military/state service- Romulans rewarded skill etc over race. As the fed defector said they have a "strict moral compass" what is right and what is wrong -Might is right
Sela is not a Romulan, she is either biological or even on other aspects, I would like to point out her "brilliant" plan of invading Vulcan was 3 transports with 2000 trops ... you cannot even hold New Jersey with 2000 troops.
Wow have you ever seen how bizarro how strategic ground combat is in trek?-remember vulcan appears to have no defences by the time of Trek 2009
Sela inferred digging those 2000 troops out would be costly which led one to belive the "gamble" was the feds would avoid conflict and accept Romulan unification -yea well its got north Korean delusion all over it.
But Selas plan with the Klingon Civil War that had something going for it -but thanks to geordis reinvention of the wheel the with tachyon detection grid-which no other fed, Klingon or Romulan had thought of in their centuries long cold wars and the Romulans failure as a starfaring race to grasp in 3 dimensional space -20 ships is not a neverending wall.
Sorry D'tans Republic is pure fed root beer-I want Romulan Ale
Protection? From what? How was the Empire threatened by the words of an old man, a devoted citizen who merely tried to speak his mind? How did the Tal Shiar protect the Empire by dragging him, my father, out of his home in the middle of the night?... He was just an idealistic old man. I never saw him again.
Star Trek: TNG, "Face of the Enemy"
The common man doesn't care about kings or empire, they care about food on the table and not having family members dragged off in the middle of the night by their own government for expressing their opinion. And don't forget that right next door is a free and prosperous democratic society. The common Romulan isn't going to want to go back to Emperors and secret police; he's going to want what the Federation has.
That's actually kind of a good point about the common man, but that was the TAL SHIAR that dragged this man out of his bed (and did what? Killed him? Maybe. Maybe not). And she specifically says that her father was devoted to THE EMPIRE. Not to "trying to join the Federation", but to the Empire. In fact, when Troi and her boy turn out to be colluding with the Federation, she specifically says that they will interrogate and then kill Troi. That doesn't sound like the words of someone who would be happy in Spock Jr.'s Fed 2.0 Republic. Not to mention that she keeps doing her duty to the EMPIRE despite her father's disappearance.
Toreth is a perfect example of the third option Romulans should have: loyal to the Empire, dissatisfied with the Tal Shiar and even perhaps Sela's dictatorship, but not about to go running off to join the unification movement, and the Feds or KDF. Even in their first episode, the Romulans we saw had concerns over the fact that what they were doing was politically motivated - but because of their sense of duty, they carried out their orders anyway.
Assuming that one particular culture is inherently better than yours and that it's only natural and inevitable that they choose yours over theirs when given the chance is a rather ethnocentric viewpoint. This isn't a question of a few 'bad apples' (and lol at blaming the revolutionary war on King george) but a case of going up agaisnt a whole culture.
This is really the most important part. In The Path to 2409, which I quoted earlier, it talks about Sela reviving traditional Romulan culture (not to mention bringing in a new era of peace to the Empire when she becomes Praetor, which has got to be nice for the common man, and the colony worlds she helps by settling their disputes). That's not just in the military - it's across the board. The Romulans are not all going to be split into two camps: Tal Shiar or Republic (I think the end of the FE notes that factions spring up after Sela's disappearance, not to mention everything that happens in the Path to 2409 before Sela that supports Romulans being able to create many factions). There is going to be a third group that is loyal to the Empire itself, and that's what I want to see explored.
At the very least, there would be an attempt to reinstate a praetorship and a senate. Even if that failed, factions would spring up, vying for power - and Spock Jr.'s New Romulus would only be one of those factions - most others would be trying to gain control of the Empire, not unify with Vulcans or ally with other foreign powers.
I am beginning to really worry that there won't be three classes of warbirds. Please tell me that the trinity will carry over to the Romulans in some form.
There won't be, at least not at all levels, and even then it doesn't sound like they'll play like their Starfleet counterparts:
Q: (felderburg) Will basic Romulan ships have the three standard variant, escort, cruiser, science?
Dstahl: Romulans have their own unique ship class, Warbirds, which is the first new ship class in STO. This new class uses singularity cores instead of warp cores and introduces new ship combat powers tied to the harnessed energy released by the singularity core.
Max-level Romulan Republic captains will find a nice variety of Warbirds that each gravitate towards a specific type of existing ship class and play style. There will be some Warbirds that lean towards existing classes (escort, cruiser, science, etc.) that players are familiar with, though they will all feel distinct in that they are from the new Warbird class.
That's actually kind of a good point about the common man, but that was the TAL SHIAR that dragged this man out of his bed (and did what? Killed him? Maybe. Maybe not). And she specifically says that her father was devoted to THE EMPIRE. Not to "trying to join the Federation", but to the Empire. In fact, when Troi and her boy turn out to be colluding with the Federation, she specifically says that they will interrogate and then kill Troi. That doesn't sound like the words of someone who would be happy in Spock Jr.'s Fed-Lite Republic. Not to mention that she keeps doing her duty to the EMPIRE despite her father's disappearance.
I don't think anybody expects Romulans to want to run off and become Federation citizens. Not many anyway. Home is Romulus, after all... well, such as it is.
Would every soldier and sailor join the Resistance? Of course not. Maybe even Toreth wouldn't. But you can be damn sure she'd consider it. And quite frankly, there is no Empire without the Tal Shiar. The two are intertwined, as they are in all authoritarian police states. Even if the Tal Shiar is purged, some new secret police organization would just replace it.
A patriotic photo op of Sela isn't going to undo generations of fear and oppression, especially since her photo op just put a mask on more tyranny:
On Stardate 85365.28, years of instability and infighting in the Romulan Star Empire seemingly came to a close with the coronation of Empress Sela. The new empress would not have a praetor, and the Senate would serve at her pleasure.
"Security has clamped down in the capital," a Starfleet Intelligence source inside Romulan space said. "The Romulans say that they have reason to believe that there may be an assassination attempt on the empress, but I think it's more than that. This is the first time Sela can show just how much control she has."
She wasn't playing nice because she believes in peace and the common man, she was playing nice to foment support for her assumption of the Imperial throne. It's an old story, and eventually the veneer would've worn off, if it hadn't already.
Ultimately, would some still support the Empire? Of course. And a few just won't care. But eventually a lot of Romulans are just going to get tired of trading one Imperial tyrant for another, especially among the youth.
Sela is my most hated character in Trek and once long ago I said that if in STO the Grand Nagus decides to go hunting for her, even the Ferengi would have my allegiance, life, starship and the loyalty and lives of my crew. If the Republic is going after her, they will have all my expertise at their disposal!
It's a strange point of view, for sure. Sela is one of the most iconic Romulans, one that embodies romulan attitudes quite well. Hating her is like hating Romulans. If he/she hates Sela so much why don't they just play a completely different faction?
More credence to my theory that Cryptic has designed the Romulans to appeal to people who would otherwise feel too squeemish playing Romulans and just want to fly their ships.
Do you observe the Romulans through all the Trek series or only TNG?
Sela is a mirror-universe half-human power hungry Empress-wanabee faliure that, honestly, in my eyes is the biggest disgrace for the Romulan people.
They already tried something similar trying to make a human-clone Praetor of the RSE with Shinzon and we all saw how well that ended for them.
But, Sela? Really? Embodiment of Romulan attitudes? She is a power-hungry ego-maniac, she only cares about herself being in a position of power. She'd go to bed with the devil himself if he promises her a position of power. She is working with Iconians and probably amongst the responsible for blowing up Romulus. Very Romulan, indeed. :rolleyes:
Romulans are suposed to be civilized species and yet she allowed the Hirogen to freely hunt in Romulan space, because she needed their ships & support for her own benefit.
She declared herself as "Empress", discarded the need for Praetor and shaped the Romulan senate to her will. How is this Romulan? The Romulans have Senators from all the major provinces & colony worlds and the Senate is where the decisions are made. The RSE was lead by a Praetor. Again, everything spells as power-hungry wanabee "Empress" that just looks out to her own best interests. She plays ping-pong with the Romulan people, comes and leaves them at her own convenience.
I'm sorry, but when I want to play a Romulan, I want to fight for the Romulan people. To protect that Romulan girl working in the bakery or my friend the Romulan engineer serving aboard some I.R.W. from the scum of the galaxy. I don't want to fight to fulfill the pathologic desire of one person to remain in a position of power, especially not at the cost of others of my kin.
You call these Romulans squeemish? These are the first Romulans we have seen fight back to the opressive non-Romulan regime of the so called "Empress". How long have Romulans lived with the fear in the shadow of Tal'Shiar? The RSE military obviously doesn't like or trust them and yet they didn't dare doing anything against them. This are the first Romulans to have the courage to confront the Tal'Shiar for the good of the Romulan people. This spells badass to me, not squeemish. I find them fresh & invigorating.
These Romulans are badass and D'Tan is the man.
Don't like the Republic? Sorry, but if that's how you feel, don't play them and keep to your Oddy., Vesta or whatever and the blue side.
Seems I won't have to join the Ferengi though, since D'Tan has the virtue to confront the situation at hand, I'll be rolling with him and Obisek.
At least as far as the shows go, Sela is the TNG equivalent of the lighthouse caretaker shaking her fist at Picard and shouting "I would've gotten away with it if it weren't for you meddling kids!"
Rep system isn't that bad to level, it seems daunting at 1st but its really not so bad.
The reason I asked had nothing to do with the ease or difficulty of navigating the rep system, as it's supposed to be voluntary participation. I DO have great animosity for the devs who decided to lock the new content of season 7 into the voluntary participation nature of the new Romulus rep system tho and I questioned this new (S8) content following the same pattern, as well as a mention of some of the new factions gear also going into the rep system.
I'm over being asked to pay millions in credits and dilithium to reestablish my characters position on the top tier of the rep system as the perks arent needed for the single player missions, and are only marginally useful in the current incarnation of the PvP game.
...that is until the next round of balancing then the arms race begins again.
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Looking forward to seeing the KDF faction finally completed too, my Ferasan engineer and Gorn science officer will finally see the light of day, plus a Romulan something or other lol.
Thanks Cryptic!
Has this became clear yet? I want on the waiting list, please.
You can make a villain a protagonist only by giving them an antagonist that is even worse. The Godfather works as a story because for all the horrible things the Corleone family does, the other families are worse.
Also realize that the desire for freedom, self-expression, and all those other inalienable rights is universal. Given the tyranny and repression the Romulans have endured, and the weakened if not non-existent condition of the Imperial government, making the conditions ripe for revolution, how do you propose Cryptic write a story where dragging an old man out of his bed in the middle of the night and shooting him in the head because he told a co-worker that the right to vote seems pretty keen, makes the protagonist a good guy?
Because that's essentially what you're asking for. Oh, and remember to make the characters three-dimensional, who do what they do because of their own psychology, and not because you, the writer, decided that all Romulans love being oppressed.
We're not talking the relatively-benign British Empire here (which was still hated by a whole lot of its non-English - and even some English - constituents). We're talking Stalinist Soviet Union.
...what? Have you read the Path to 2409? Sela's reign as Praetor began with unprecedented peace throughout the Empire, and she was able to declare herself Empress without fuss, while instilling a sense that the old ways of Romulus were a grand way to go about doing things. It is implied that she becomes an autocratic dictator, yes, but where the heck are you getting "dragging an old man out of his bed in the middle of the night and shooting him in the head?"
Even in the first episode, Romulans have a great sense of duty and honor. I'm sure that eventually it will be revealed that Sela / Hakeev is working with the Iconians, and the general Romulan people won't like that, but that's not going to make them all suddenly run to the Reunification movement and Spock Jr.'s Fed-Lite Republic. If anything, they would reinstall a Senate and a Praetorship, ratehr than ally with the Feds or the KDF.
Seems to me that until she gets revealed as an Iconian ally, she's doing good things for the Empire, and I don't see Romulans leaving the Empire itself just because their leader is a bad apple. Like I said, with the reinvigoration of Romulan culture (mnhei'sahe etc.) why would a majority of Romulans flock to the Fed-Lite Republic, even if Sela ends up being bad?
As for desire for freedom etc. YOu should realize that the cultural interpruetations of those concepts vary from culture to culture, yes? If Star Trek is truely all about the Human condition, than it shouldn't shy away from exploring alternative cultures. And again ,the existance of the KDF faction contradicts your narrow view.
No, it isn't what people are talking about. We are talking about Romulan stuff like going undercover, infiltrating bases, extracting moles, and engaging in precision first strikes against enemy targets. No one is asking that we need to be shooting old men in the head or whatever.
it should be noted that the KDF has a duty officer assignments like "Execute for incompetence/execute for cowardice/execute mutineers/sell prisoners to orion slavers, etc etc" Double standards much? Every time I bring up the obvious parallells with the KDf, you skirt the issue.
Romulans are already plenty 3-dimensional enoguh already, or were you missing out on the episode where Troi infiltrated a Romulan Warbird?
As a side note....British Empire+Benign...HA!
They're not revolting because one leader is a bad apple (although I will point out that "one bad apple" - George III - more or less caused the American Revolution), but because they've endured the oppression and tyranny of their government for generations. It's not "one bad apple" it's "they're all bad apples." The common man doesn't care about kings or empire, they care about food on the table and not having family members dragged off in the middle of the night by their own government for expressing their opinion. And don't forget that right next door is a free and prosperous democratic society. The common Romulan isn't going to want to go back to Emperors and secret police; he's going to want what the Federation has.
As for Romulans wanting what the Federation has? You talk about how everyone who disagrees with you is stereotyping, yet you seem to ignore the importance of tradition and culture on people. Folks have a tendency to clign to their way of life, no matter how 'barbaric' it may seem to you. Assuming that one particular culture is inherently better than yours and that it's only natural and inevitable that they choose yours over theirs when given the chance is a rather ethnocentric viewpoint. This isn't a question of a few 'bad apples' (and lol at blaming the revolutionary war on King george) but a case of going up agaisnt a whole culture.
Yeah, sorry, just claiming conspiracy theory and countering with an exaggerated opinion isn't how it works. "She only confirmed what every intelligent person already knew." is an irrelevant piece of flawed logic.
I don't mind people disagreeing with me, but that's not the way to go about it.
It's quite possible that the Federation doesn't recognize the sovereignty of Sela's empire, which would allow them to aide the New Romulan Republic with weapons and help them fight the Tal Shiar and Sela's military without violating the Prime Directive. As I recall, Sela's rise to power was rather nefarious, and would be a logical conclusion to assume that this is the explanation. Even if Sela's government is recognized, if the Federation accepts the New Romulan Republic as an independent state, it would no longer be considered an internal conflict.
Nonsense I am a huge Romulan fan and have been wanting to play one since launch. Do I think the way Cryptic is doing this is perfect? No. But I do understand why they are doing it an I accept that. My beef is with the negative nancy mouth breathing trolls who come into every thread whining like children about whatever the fashionable complaint of the week is and loudly and falsely claiming they are the majority when clearly they are not. They are simply the loudest.
I'm sorry but claiming she is working for Cryptic for showing that the negativists are not in fact the majority is the logic of conspiracy theorists. If you would actually argue in good faith instead of whining and accusing others of being on Cryptics payroll then you would get an answer aimed at grown ups.
Agreed. Not sure if I'm going to go the bird of prey or warbird route, but it'll definately be romulan.
I'd laugh at the irony of this if it wasn't so sad.
And if the Grand nagus tries to hunt her down she is more than welcome to hide in my Cabin (as long as she does not break my model aircraft)
Actually that's not what I claimed at all. When the majority of your posts seem oriented towards insulting people (such as myself) and providing falsities, that's not a discussion worth having.
Are we (as Romulans) going to have a unique Romulan Duty Officer System, or will we be sharing the one of the alliance we choose?
I read on the forums that it'll be the latter, (though we will get some romulan-specific duty officer assignments). Can't say I'm a fan of this for some rather obvious reasons; I'm not in the belief that a Romulan officer would execute a fellow officer for disobedience. Could you clear this up?
So Romulans get to fly Federation/Klingon ships? Can't say I'm fond of this idea. Sure Kira Nerys was able to command the Defiant, but the Defiant was never crewed entirely by the Bajoran Provisional Government, and I highly doubt Starfleet would be in the position to hand one of their warships over to an 'ally'. Still, you've made your call on this. I can only hope this doesn't extend to all fleet ships; such vessels as the Fleet Assault Cruiser and Fleet Advanced Escorts (etc) should remain specific to the Federation (in my opinion at least).
...so if I have completed the Romulan Rep System on one character, I can purchase Reman on any character?
Example: I've completed the Romulan Rep System on a Federation character of mine; does this mean I'll only be able to buy a Reman for my Federation character, or will I be able to purchase a Reman Bridge Officer for my Klingon/Romulan characters too?
Also, are these Reman Bridge Officers Bound?
The unlock is for playing a Reman, not buying Boffs.
While the idea of not having to grind a new Starbase is noble, Romulans will have to get their Fleet Credits somehow.
The game is set up so you will have to feed resources into a Starbase either way, if you're going to use Fleet items.
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I will try to Remain Calm and be Diplomatic, but posts like these infuriate me. I for one did not Vote you Community Advocate. I am also quite sure that no-one died and named you Community Kingpin either. While you are entitled to your opinion, that does not give you any right to dismiss the opinions of others.
I for one wholly support both the decision and the justifications for Romulan Player Characters having access to Some ally ships. Instead of listing All the Precedents i'll content myself with just three: Deep Space Nine/Terok Nor was a Cardassian space station operated by the Bajoran Militia and their Starfleet Allies. During the Klingon-Cardassian War Gul Dukat had taken a Klingon Bird-of-Prey and kept it like half a season. Sisko & Crew used a captured Dominion ship in an episode or two.
While "Eternal Optimism" is at the heart of Star Trek, the ideals of diversity & tolerance were key elements in the series. Arrogance, close-mindedness and condescending behavior towards others has no place in Any Community, especially a Trek Community. I strongly suggest to all who think Their Way is the Only Way to take it elsewhere or better yet, take a break from forums & games to rethink their lives.
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Dan did say people will get a free character slot for a Romulan character, he just isn't sure how they will do it. Not a problem for me personally I have 7 free slots anyway.
I've love to see the Garadians (from a Final Unity) added into the Romulan faction sometime in the future. In fact I'd like to see both the Romulan and KDF species list expanded to the same levels as the Federation. I would also like all species to have no forced traits but unique optionals. Alien and Joined Trill are really the only species that a player can get a really great set-up on. With no traits going to waste like on other species.
That's actually kind of a good point about the common man, but that was the TAL SHIAR that dragged this man out of his bed (and did what? Killed him? Maybe. Maybe not). And she specifically says that her father was devoted to THE EMPIRE. Not to "trying to join the Federation", but to the Empire. In fact, when Troi and her boy turn out to be colluding with the Federation, she specifically says that they will interrogate and then kill Troi. That doesn't sound like the words of someone who would be happy in Spock Jr.'s Fed 2.0 Republic. Not to mention that she keeps doing her duty to the EMPIRE despite her father's disappearance.
Toreth is a perfect example of the third option Romulans should have: loyal to the Empire, dissatisfied with the Tal Shiar and even perhaps Sela's dictatorship, but not about to go running off to join the unification movement, and the Feds or KDF. Even in their first episode, the Romulans we saw had concerns over the fact that what they were doing was politically motivated - but because of their sense of duty, they carried out their orders anyway.
This is really the most important part. In The Path to 2409, which I quoted earlier, it talks about Sela reviving traditional Romulan culture (not to mention bringing in a new era of peace to the Empire when she becomes Praetor, which has got to be nice for the common man, and the colony worlds she helps by settling their disputes). That's not just in the military - it's across the board. The Romulans are not all going to be split into two camps: Tal Shiar or Republic (I think the end of the FE notes that factions spring up after Sela's disappearance, not to mention everything that happens in the Path to 2409 before Sela that supports Romulans being able to create many factions). There is going to be a third group that is loyal to the Empire itself, and that's what I want to see explored.
At the very least, there would be an attempt to reinstate a praetorship and a senate. Even if that failed, factions would spring up, vying for power - and Spock Jr.'s New Romulus would only be one of those factions - most others would be trying to gain control of the Empire, not unify with Vulcans or ally with other foreign powers.
There won't be, at least not at all levels, and even then it doesn't sound like they'll play like their Starfleet counterparts:
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I don't think anybody expects Romulans to want to run off and become Federation citizens. Not many anyway. Home is Romulus, after all... well, such as it is.
Doing one's duty is easy in the face of a perceived enemy. Now what do you think Toreth will do if she's ordered to orbitally bombard a planet full of Romulan farmers who have done nothing but voice their opinion that they desire freedom? Romulans just like her father.
Pick up a newspaper over the past couple of years and there's more than a few stories about military members of various levels in some very corrupt authoritarian states refusing to fire on civilians.
Would every soldier and sailor join the Resistance? Of course not. Maybe even Toreth wouldn't. But you can be damn sure she'd consider it. And quite frankly, there is no Empire without the Tal Shiar. The two are intertwined, as they are in all authoritarian police states. Even if the Tal Shiar is purged, some new secret police organization would just replace it.
A patriotic photo op of Sela isn't going to undo generations of fear and oppression, especially since her photo op just put a mask on more tyranny:
She wasn't playing nice because she believes in peace and the common man, she was playing nice to foment support for her assumption of the Imperial throne. It's an old story, and eventually the veneer would've worn off, if it hadn't already.
Ultimately, would some still support the Empire? Of course. And a few just won't care. But eventually a lot of Romulans are just going to get tired of trading one Imperial tyrant for another, especially among the youth.
Do you observe the Romulans through all the Trek series or only TNG?
Sela is a mirror-universe half-human power hungry Empress-wanabee faliure that, honestly, in my eyes is the biggest disgrace for the Romulan people.
They already tried something similar trying to make a human-clone Praetor of the RSE with Shinzon and we all saw how well that ended for them.
But, Sela? Really? Embodiment of Romulan attitudes? She is a power-hungry ego-maniac, she only cares about herself being in a position of power. She'd go to bed with the devil himself if he promises her a position of power. She is working with Iconians and probably amongst the responsible for blowing up Romulus. Very Romulan, indeed. :rolleyes:
Romulans are suposed to be civilized species and yet she allowed the Hirogen to freely hunt in Romulan space, because she needed their ships & support for her own benefit.
She declared herself as "Empress", discarded the need for Praetor and shaped the Romulan senate to her will. How is this Romulan? The Romulans have Senators from all the major provinces & colony worlds and the Senate is where the decisions are made. The RSE was lead by a Praetor. Again, everything spells as power-hungry wanabee "Empress" that just looks out to her own best interests. She plays ping-pong with the Romulan people, comes and leaves them at her own convenience.
I'm sorry, but when I want to play a Romulan, I want to fight for the Romulan people. To protect that Romulan girl working in the bakery or my friend the Romulan engineer serving aboard some I.R.W. from the scum of the galaxy. I don't want to fight to fulfill the pathologic desire of one person to remain in a position of power, especially not at the cost of others of my kin.
You call these Romulans squeemish? These are the first Romulans we have seen fight back to the opressive non-Romulan regime of the so called "Empress". How long have Romulans lived with the fear in the shadow of Tal'Shiar? The RSE military obviously doesn't like or trust them and yet they didn't dare doing anything against them. This are the first Romulans to have the courage to confront the Tal'Shiar for the good of the Romulan people. This spells badass to me, not squeemish. I find them fresh & invigorating.
These Romulans are badass and D'Tan is the man.
Don't like the Republic? Sorry, but if that's how you feel, don't play them and keep to your Oddy., Vesta or whatever and the blue side.
Seems I won't have to join the Ferengi though, since D'Tan has the virtue to confront the situation at hand, I'll be rolling with him and Obisek.
Thanks for trying to explain it f2pdrakron, it's nice to see someone understands my pov on this matter.
Oh well, with all those FCA Agents that I'll have by my side, I'm sure we'll be able to negotiate something that will benefit us both!
The reason I asked had nothing to do with the ease or difficulty of navigating the rep system, as it's supposed to be voluntary participation. I DO have great animosity for the devs who decided to lock the new content of season 7 into the voluntary participation nature of the new Romulus rep system tho and I questioned this new (S8) content following the same pattern, as well as a mention of some of the new factions gear also going into the rep system.
I'm over being asked to pay millions in credits and dilithium to reestablish my characters position on the top tier of the rep system as the perks arent needed for the single player missions, and are only marginally useful in the current incarnation of the PvP game.
...that is until the next round of balancing then the arms race begins again.
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