You do have a point especially looking back to that episode where in the voyager series where they were attempting to steal the promethius Now they can just buy one which is ironic as well when picard said currency does not exist in the future.
Gotta love the irony
Individuals on Earth may not have need of currency but the Federation as a whole clearly has it.
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This actually isn't true. They are small but very vocal minority. They are in no sense a majority.
Eh, the math came out with the numbers being pretty evenly spread. The dissenters are almost equal to the supporters in number, just intensely more vocal.
Again, using her entirely subjective opinions on what qualified to which category. From one thread only. Where she discounted 47% of the posts.
Terrible journalism. Especially when you consider she apparently has commented on STO players in the past with comments like players who play STF Elites are "pathetic" and people who PvP need to "get a life", and "go play WoW". Link Here
We're supposed to believe her objectivity? Right.
Get off of you conspiracy theories. Her numbers are not subjective and the 47% she discounted were posts which were not taking any side in the argument. She only confirmed what every intelligent person already knew. There are a relatively small group of posters who post in all most every thread repeatedly and who do not make up a majority.
Okay, I think I finally get the bigger picture now that the second LoR dev blog is out.
If I read it right the Romulan faction will not level up using FED or KDF ships, they will level up using Romulan ships. At end-game they can access the fleet ships of their chosen ally because of the focus on FED vs KDF PvP.
It might have been better story-wise to bar Romulans from the end-game PvP, but that would cause a different set of problems.
I for one will stick to playing using Romulan ships when I make my Romulan character just like I stick to Starfleet ships when playing my Federation character.
Certainly answered some of my questions thank you.
I like how I've already unlocked a Reman by leveling through the Romulan rep system on one of my characters.
I like how there is a warbird on each tier when leveling up.
I like the fact that I will unlock a Tal Shiar uniform with more classic uniforms coming.
I really look forward to seeing a Romulan Bridge.
The allied part, Meh since you've explained it, it bothers me less honestly, but I would have preferred to be able to play a Tal Shiar, completely separate from both existing factions, but that's just me.
I'm not so upset that I won't play a Romulan character, it's new content and I'll take what I can get. But I would have preferred to play a Tal Shiar, that's just being honest.
Maybe someday.
I guess my question would be, will we get an extra character slot as part of this expansion?
I have extras as it is now, but I'm just curious.
I'm also curious about the veteran rewards in regards to the Romulan "faction".
As a lifetime player, I would certainly like to play a liberated Borg Romulan.
I really like everything that has been revealed, and am very much in favor of everything mentioned so far, especially the ability to fly the ships of the chosen ally. The only concern I have is with the fleet membership limit. I would really hope Cryptic would consider either increasing it or switching it to a per account basis as the expansion will mean a huge influx of new alts into my fleet and I honestly doubt that the remaining 170 slots will be up to the challenge.
Get off of you conspiracy theories. Her numbers are not subjective and the 47% she discounted were posts which were not taking any side in the argument. She only confirmed what every intelligent person already knew. There are a relatively small group of posters who post in all most every thread repeatedly and who do not make up a majority.
Considering her conclusion was that the ratio of dissatisfied to satisfied was just about 1:1, every "intelligent person" should be concluding that among those that actually care, opinions are fairly evenly split.
In other words, if those dissatisfied are a small group of posters, then so are those who are satisfied.
Considering her conclusion was that the ratio of dissatisfied to satisfied was just about 1:1, every "intelligent person" should be concluding that among those that actually care, opinions are fairly evenly split.
In other words, if those dissatisfied are a small group of posters, then so are those who are satisfied.
just read the interview. did they really just rationalize the decision with the romulans by using the poor implementation of the klingon faction as an example? LOLWTF.
Really hmmmm someone tell Kirk that when he stole a Romulan cloak from them by tricking them...Federation were the bad guys there.
The Romulans inTOS were not the paranoid evil villains they became in TNG.
Yeah the Feds were clearly the bad guys in The Enterprise Incident. I agree the Romulans in TOS where in the mold of the civilized honorable enemies while the Klingons were standard dishonorable fascists.
TNG somehow got the two reversed.
That is why i'm in the thread listening instead of finishing the Klingon mission I should be working on, because I am listening to the viewpoints and we do discuss the feedback. Sometimes there isn't much we can do, but in some cases we do consider what we could alter.
Living in a police state will do that to a person.
Except as far as we can tell the Romulans didn't live in a police state. The Klingons did. The Romulans were based off of Rome which was while spartan was not a police state.
I don't think there is an unreasonable sense of entitlement to expect our EP to think:
A. Ok, so we're adding a new faction and it needs content...
B. How can help the UGC community help us do that?
C. Hmm... at the very least we should turn the thing on for Romulan missions and give them a reasonable amount of stuff to make Romulan missions.
It's not unreasonable to expect that minimum amount of thought and consideration.
Pure speculation on my part, but could they be waiting perhaps to port over new functionality from the NWN Foundry? It might be premature to add stuff for this expansion if tool advancements may be coming a little further down the line.
Also, interesting that these questions come from Terilynn Shill shortly after she makes a news item on the Massively site claiming her subjective numbers suggest anyone unhappy with the Romulan news is just a troll.
I didn't get that exact impression, but I cut her a wide margin. She's fun, full of TRIBBLE and vinegar and I like that, Usually.
Some of her previous comments rubbed me the wrong way, but I'm lettin them roll off as they weren't directed at me per se.
That's somethin I've gotta get better at tho I'll admit.
I didn't get that impression, I actually got the opposite. Romulans get to have normal and c-store ships, and their own fleet variants of romulan ships. That's not to say you're absolutely wrong, I've been known to read things wrong on occasion, but that's the impression I got.
After rereading the interview, you might be correct. We'll see how that plays out.
Either way, my Romulans will not be taking advantage of that. They'll fly Romulan vessels.
Except as far as we can tell the Romulans didn't live in a police state. The Klingons did. The Romulans were based off of Rome which was while spartan was not a police state.
Not from what we saw in TOS, no. But remember, the Romulans disappeared for 50 years so they could focus on "other matters", and by the time they showed up again, the Tal Shiar was deeply embedded into their society.
Sela is my most hated character in Trek and once long ago I said that if in STO the Grand Nagus decides to go hunting for her, even the Ferengi would have my allegiance, life, starship and the loyalty and lives of my crew. If the Republic is going after her, they will have all my expertise at their disposal!
.....sigh.... sometimes im ashamed to be ST fan when i read all these comments , everyone just acts like they are majority of playerbase and that their opinion is only one that matters.
Even when somebody make constructive topic/reply on forum , he will be insulted by some players that cant stand other peoples opinion if it doesn't match their own.... sadly forum is full of these *******.
For me legacy of romulus is great expansion , i love it and i will play it as romulan character despite rage on forums with romulans suck treads etc..... when i first read that romulans are coming i was little worry on how they will be introduced in game but now when i see what we will get.....I can only say good job cryptic and thank you for new FACTION!!!( it is faction you ****** ).
For everyone that hate romulan faction i can only say.... don't play what you don't like , it is easy and you will not rage about it because what is the point of playing something that make you feel angry , sad or even sick??..... realy , what would be the point?.
Well this is everything what i would like to say on this situation of fans vs. angry mob of legacy of romulus expansion , im not native english speaker so my english suck realy bad .
.....sigh.... sometimes im ashamed to be ST fan when i read all these comments , everyone just acts like they are majority of playerbase and that their opinion is only one that matters.
Even when somebody make constructive topic/reply on forum , he will be insulted by some players that cant stand other peoples opinion if it doesn't match their own.... sadly forum is full of these *******.
For me legacy of romulus is great expansion , i love it and i will play it as romulan character despite rage on forums with romulans suck treads etc..... when i first read that romulans are coming i was little worry on how they will be introduced in game but now when i see what we will get.....I can only say good job cryptic and thank you for new FACTION!!!( it is faction you ****** ).
For everyone that hate romulan faction i can only say.... don't play what you don't like , it is easy and you will not rage about it because what is the point of playing something that make you feel angry , sad or even sick??..... realy , what would be the point?.
Well this is everything what i would like to say on this situation of fans vs. angry mob of legacy of romulus expansion , im not native english speaker so my english suck realy bad .
Thinking the Romulans are a faction the way they are setup by cryptic is like a opinion man. Also I dont see many people who disagree with cryptics choices calling other people ****** for liking it.
Sela is my most hated character in Trek and once long ago I said that if in STO the Grand Nagus decides to go hunting for her, even the Ferengi would have my allegiance, life, starship and the loyalty and lives of my crew. If the Republic is going after her, they will have all my expertise at their disposal!
Sela is the most hated character to you? Why?
Please go join the Ferengi.
It's a strange point of view, for sure. Sela is one of the most iconic Romulans, one that embodies romulan attitudes quite well. Hating her is like hating Romulans. If he/she hates Sela so much why don't they just play a completely different faction?
More credence to my theory that Cryptic has designed the Romulans to appeal to people who would otherwise feel too squeemish playing Romulans and just want to fly their ships.
I find it AMAZING the amount of negativity surrounding this new faction .. it confuses me .. they are adding in a new faction FOR FREE with a unique feel to them, unique ships, species, and whats even better is they get to choose who they ally them selves with !!!
Although the blog post itself made me feel better, some of the replies have not. The negativity is because the "faction" is a transparent attempt at making "unique" content that is really the same missions for all three factions, with minor changes in text. I'm sure Cryptic has been (and is) "busting their behinds" to get this much done, but I personally would rather they bust their butts to create Romulan starbases, and a revamp to the PvP system so that Romulans don't have to choose Fed or KDF. It's a terrible thing when gameplay influences story, and not the other way around.
Additionally, even if the stories weren't minor text change duplicates, the fact remains that the Romulans that people know and love from the shows wold never ally with the Feds or KDF. Even if they were to throw off Sela (a well-liked ruler who brought peace to the Empire, according to the Path to 2409) because she was discovered to be allied with the Iconians, most of them would still try to bring back the Romulan Star Empire, and not join Spock Jr,'s Fed-Lite Republic. We should have the option to join that faction - the one that is anti-Iconian Tal Shiar, anti-Fed-Lite, and pro-Empire.
The negativity stems from the fact that the Romulans will be the goto Faction for min/maxxing your play with their ability to use both fed and their own ships and equipment.
To insure they are played, Cryptic has hung out this carrot as they are the only faction that can do this.
People don't want to, but will be forced to grind up from 0 level another Toon to be able to benefit from this ability.
It's a strange point of view, for sure. Sela is one of the most iconic Romulans, one that embodies romulan attitudes quite well. Hating her is like hating Romulans. If he/she hates Sela so much why don't they just play a completely different faction?
More credence to my theory that Cryptic has designed the Romulans to appeal to people who would otherwise feel too squeemish playing Romulans and just want to fly their ships.
This is why I've been calling the New Romulan government Spock Jr.'s Fed-Lite Republic. I get that we (the players) are all about Truth, Justice, and the American Way, but that's the Feds' shtick. There are ways of making an Imperial power the good guys, at least from their own point of view. I hope the story reflects this in some way.
This actually isn't true. They are small but very vocal minority. They are in no sense a majority.
Like the Romulan Alliance System? Of course you do, it sounds fine to you because you aren't Romulans, you're FED or KDF who are going to make a Romulan alt, it makes a HUGE difference in perspective.
Actually they're about the same size as those who are in favor of it, it's about fifty fifty according to the breakdown of positive and negative posts
Forum opinions rarely if ever account of the opinions of the player-base as a minority post here, Cryptic will for sure have better metrics by June though .
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Individuals on Earth may not have need of currency but the Federation as a whole clearly has it.
"Critics who say that the optimistic utopia Star Trek depicted is now outmoded forget the cultural context that gave birth to it: Star Trek was not a manifestation of optimism when optimism was easy. Star Trek declared a hope for a future that nobody stuck in the present could believe in. For all our struggles today, we haven’t outgrown the need for stories like Star Trek. We need tales of optimism, of heroes, of courage and goodness now as much as we’ve ever needed them."
-Thomas Marrone
Eh, the math came out with the numbers being pretty evenly spread. The dissenters are almost equal to the supporters in number, just intensely more vocal.
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Get off of you conspiracy theories. Her numbers are not subjective and the 47% she discounted were posts which were not taking any side in the argument. She only confirmed what every intelligent person already knew. There are a relatively small group of posters who post in all most every thread repeatedly and who do not make up a majority.
If I read it right the Romulan faction will not level up using FED or KDF ships, they will level up using Romulan ships. At end-game they can access the fleet ships of their chosen ally because of the focus on FED vs KDF PvP.
It might have been better story-wise to bar Romulans from the end-game PvP, but that would cause a different set of problems.
I for one will stick to playing using Romulan ships when I make my Romulan character just like I stick to Starfleet ships when playing my Federation character.
I like how I've already unlocked a Reman by leveling through the Romulan rep system on one of my characters.
I like how there is a warbird on each tier when leveling up.
I like the fact that I will unlock a Tal Shiar uniform with more classic uniforms coming.
I really look forward to seeing a Romulan Bridge.
The allied part, Meh since you've explained it, it bothers me less honestly, but I would have preferred to be able to play a Tal Shiar, completely separate from both existing factions, but that's just me.
I'm not so upset that I won't play a Romulan character, it's new content and I'll take what I can get. But I would have preferred to play a Tal Shiar, that's just being honest.
Maybe someday.
I guess my question would be, will we get an extra character slot as part of this expansion?
I have extras as it is now, but I'm just curious.
I'm also curious about the veteran rewards in regards to the Romulan "faction".
As a lifetime player, I would certainly like to play a liberated Borg Romulan.
Considering her conclusion was that the ratio of dissatisfied to satisfied was just about 1:1, every "intelligent person" should be concluding that among those that actually care, opinions are fairly evenly split.
In other words, if those dissatisfied are a small group of posters, then so are those who are satisfied.
It took this long for that to click in your head.
Yeah the Feds were clearly the bad guys in The Enterprise Incident. I agree the Romulans in TOS where in the mold of the civilized honorable enemies while the Klingons were standard dishonorable fascists.
TNG somehow got the two reversed.
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Except as far as we can tell the Romulans didn't live in a police state. The Klingons did. The Romulans were based off of Rome which was while spartan was not a police state.
Pure speculation on my part, but could they be waiting perhaps to port over new functionality from the NWN Foundry? It might be premature to add stuff for this expansion if tool advancements may be coming a little further down the line.
I didn't get that exact impression, but I cut her a wide margin. She's fun, full of TRIBBLE and vinegar and I like that, Usually.
Some of her previous comments rubbed me the wrong way, but I'm lettin them roll off as they weren't directed at me per se.
That's somethin I've gotta get better at tho I'll admit.
After rereading the interview, you might be correct. We'll see how that plays out.
Either way, my Romulans will not be taking advantage of that. They'll fly Romulan vessels.
Not from what we saw in TOS, no. But remember, the Romulans disappeared for 50 years so they could focus on "other matters", and by the time they showed up again, the Tal Shiar was deeply embedded into their society.
Sela is my most hated character in Trek and once long ago I said that if in STO the Grand Nagus decides to go hunting for her, even the Ferengi would have my allegiance, life, starship and the loyalty and lives of my crew. If the Republic is going after her, they will have all my expertise at their disposal!
Sela is the most hated character to you? Why?
Please go join the Ferengi.
Even when somebody make constructive topic/reply on forum , he will be insulted by some players that cant stand other peoples opinion if it doesn't match their own.... sadly forum is full of these *******.
For me legacy of romulus is great expansion , i love it and i will play it as romulan character despite rage on forums with romulans suck treads etc..... when i first read that romulans are coming i was little worry on how they will be introduced in game but now when i see what we will get.....I can only say good job cryptic and thank you for new FACTION!!!( it is faction you ****** ).
For everyone that hate romulan faction i can only say.... don't play what you don't like , it is easy and you will not rage about it because what is the point of playing something that make you feel angry , sad or even sick??..... realy , what would be the point?.
Well this is everything what i would like to say on this situation of fans vs. angry mob of legacy of romulus expansion , im not native english speaker so my english suck realy bad
Thinking the Romulans are a faction the way they are setup by cryptic is like a opinion man. Also I dont see many people who disagree with cryptics choices calling other people ****** for liking it.
More credence to my theory that Cryptic has designed the Romulans to appeal to people who would otherwise feel too squeemish playing Romulans and just want to fly their ships.
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Although the blog post itself made me feel better, some of the replies have not. The negativity is because the "faction" is a transparent attempt at making "unique" content that is really the same missions for all three factions, with minor changes in text. I'm sure Cryptic has been (and is) "busting their behinds" to get this much done, but I personally would rather they bust their butts to create Romulan starbases, and a revamp to the PvP system so that Romulans don't have to choose Fed or KDF. It's a terrible thing when gameplay influences story, and not the other way around.
Additionally, even if the stories weren't minor text change duplicates, the fact remains that the Romulans that people know and love from the shows wold never ally with the Feds or KDF. Even if they were to throw off Sela (a well-liked ruler who brought peace to the Empire, according to the Path to 2409) because she was discovered to be allied with the Iconians, most of them would still try to bring back the Romulan Star Empire, and not join Spock Jr,'s Fed-Lite Republic. We should have the option to join that faction - the one that is anti-Iconian Tal Shiar, anti-Fed-Lite, and pro-Empire.
To insure they are played, Cryptic has hung out this carrot as they are the only faction that can do this.
People don't want to, but will be forced to grind up from 0 level another Toon to be able to benefit from this ability.
Everyone will be a Romulan.
This is why I've been calling the New Romulan government Spock Jr.'s Fed-Lite Republic. I get that we (the players) are all about Truth, Justice, and the American Way, but that's the Feds' shtick. There are ways of making an Imperial power the good guys, at least from their own point of view. I hope the story reflects this in some way.
Forum opinions rarely if ever account of the opinions of the player-base as a minority post here, Cryptic will for sure have better metrics by June though