10k dps Fleet galaxy

vexashen

So many people on this forum have complained about beams and cruiser damage. So as an experiment I grabbed one of the weakest damaging fleet cruisers and tried to squeeze as much dps out of it as possible.

This ship pulls 9-10k dps in infected space elite.

Doffs are 2 purple conn officers to lower cooldown on tac team and 2 blue energy weapon doffs to lower the cooldown on faw. 1 purple doff to buff directed energy modulation

http://www.stoacademy.com/tools/skillplanner/?build=vexfleetgalaxy1_0

doffingcomrade

I see bold claims unsupported by any evidence. There's nothing particularly spectacular about that loadout. Where's the detailed breakdown? Not even a screenshot of the actual value?

baudl

another "i do 10k dps" post...seems those grow like mushrooms this season

kingstonalan

spiking 10 ain't 10. realtalk

vexashen

Since no one on this forum believes anything without seeing some sort of proof. This was a run I did in a pug tonight. Was pulling 11k SUSTAINED dps until I died because I was pulling threat off the entire team.

http://files1.guildlaunch.net/guild/library/205090/vexdps.jpg

doffingcomrade

Those are pretty high values all around. What settings were you using to calculate those values? I've noticed that two different parser plugins fed the same dump can spit out values that can be wildly different. What kind of abilities were in play here? I find it hard to believe that a beam cruiser can spit out that kind of damage on its own, unless heavily assisted by others, and the high values listed suggests there was a lot of that going on....but if that's the case, that DPS isn't really yours anymore.

nikephorus

vexashen wrote: »

So many people on this forum have complained about beams and cruiser damage. So as an experiment I grabbed one of the weakest damaging fleet cruisers and tried to squeeze as much dps out of it as possible.

This ship pulls 9-10k dps in infected space elite.

Doffs are 2 purple conn officers to lower cooldown on tac team and 2 blue energy weapon doffs to lower the cooldown on faw. 1 purple doff to buff directed energy modulation

http://www.stoacademy.com/tools/skillplanner/?build=vexfleetgalaxy1_0

I'm skeptical without proof. Even well built escorts have trouble breaking the 10k barrier. So you will have to forgive me if I find it a little crazy that a ship with 2 tactical consoles, weak bridge officer layout, and TRIBBLE maneuverability can pull off 11k sustained dps.

vexashen

Simple sollution. Run with the tos vets sometime. We have tons of people pulling 9-17k dps in infected elite. We pull that stf in a little over 4 minutes with our top dps.

I post these things to show people whats possible. Not to get told Im lying or fudging facts. Simple fact is im not bragging. Im trying to help cruiser captains see whats possible.

As far as the TRIBBLE turn rate of the galaxy I fly it with the saucer off. Puts me at a 21 degree turn rate. Thats plenty to land my broad sides and spam fire at will. Also with the saucer off and the assimilated module Im running something like 140 weapon power before I hit emergency to weapons 3.

Anyone running beams needs to look at running well over the SOFT CAP of 125. The hard cap is something closer to 160.

bareel

Do it in a PuG where your team isn't throwing down APBs for you the entire time along with holds, Tac Fleets, and the other various things that are enhancing that ship's DPS.

Actually better yet, do that starbase mission and post a vid. That is a much better, and honest, way to evaluate a ship's performance.

vexashen

That damage log is from a pug. Read my posts more carefully before you tell me what I did wrong.

bareel

vexashen wrote: »

That damage log is from a pug. Read my posts more carefully before you tell me what I did wrong.

So your saying no one in that PuG used attack pattern beta, any holds, and no fleet abilities? Or sensor scan, fire on my mark, etc etc etc.

Lastly as my thoughts progressed the starbase mission vid would be a much better method to evaluate the ship as it would show how well it performs on it's own.

baudl

could you post the parser plugin you used?

bareel

doffingcomrade wrote: »

Those are pretty high values all around. What settings were you using to calculate those values? I've noticed that two different parser plugins fed the same dump can spit out values that can be wildly different. What kind of abilities were in play here? I find it hard to believe that a beam cruiser can spit out that kind of damage on its own, unless heavily assisted by others, and the high values listed suggests there was a lot of that going on....but if that's the case, that DPS isn't really yours anymore.

My guess would be...

vexashen wrote: »

Thats plenty to land my broad sides and spam fire at will

everyone shooting things over and over that are insistently healing the damage back. Could be wrong though just a guess. Considering though that the log thinks around 15 million damage was dealt and the structures in ISE only clock in at around 3.5 million IIRC I would think that is a good guess.

Could also be counting shield damage as well not sure if that is typically counted or not when people post their uber DPS numbers I know the parser has an option to include or not include it though.

doffingcomrade

If that's a PUG DPS log, either you're using entirely different settings or something's way, way off, because I've never seen a PUG do 2K DPS as a minimum. What version of plugin are you using to log this and what settings are on?

And yeah, FAW spam generates a LOT of fake DPS. Unfortunately, fake DPS, while great for putting up impressive-looking numbers, is an extremely poor reflection of actual effectiveness.

vexashen

It doesnt really matter what I say. You guys will just discount it. The fact is its a high damage galaxy. I posted it so people that want to fly cruisers can see what Ive done and use it or even part of the build for themselves. If all anyone can do around here is discount everything people do then whats the point of even trying.

Cruisers suck. beams suck. tacs are over powered. Sci sucks. eng sucks... whats the difference? Thats all I ever see around here. When I try and prove anything different you guys just TRIBBLE all over everything I try to do to show what can be done in supposedly useless ships.

I can post 100 great builds that rip through pve content like a hot knife through butter but if I dont do it with the exact parameters that you guys set out then I guess my numbers are meaningless.

I mean really.. In a pug Im supposed to tell everyone to not use beta or tac fleet. And those pug people that dont know me from a hole in the ground are going to listen?

No matter whats posted theres always a group of you that will find a way to make it sound like my accomplishments mean nothing. I posted a video showing me solo infected elite and I get comments like well do that in a fed cruiser and it will be impressive. I SOLOED A 5 MAN ELITE MISSION! Show me anyone else thats done that with the video proof since thats the only thing that seems to matter around here.

bareel

vexashen wrote: »

It doesnt really matter what I say. You guys will just discount it. The fact is its a high damage galaxy. I posted it so people that want to fly cruisers can see what Ive done and use it or even part of the build for themselves. If all anyone can do around here is discount everything people do then whats the point of even trying.

Cruisers suck. beams suck. tacs are over powered. Sci sucks. eng sucks... whats the difference? Thats all I ever see around here. When I try and prove anything different you guys just TRIBBLE all over everything I try to do to show what can be done in supposedly useless ships.

I can post 100 great builds that rip through pve content like a hot knife through butter but if I dont do it with the exact parameters that you guys set out then I guess my numbers are meaningless.

I mean really.. In a pug Im supposed to tell everyone to not use beta or tac fleet. And those pug people that dont know me from a hole in the ground are going to listen?

No matter whats posted theres always a group of you that will find a way to make it sound like my accomplishments mean nothing. I posted a video showing me solo infected elite and I get comments like well do that in a fed cruiser and it will be impressive. I SOLOED A 5 MAN ELITE MISSION! Show me anyone else thats done that with the video proof since thats the only thing that seems to matter around here.

/facepalm

The point is accuracy. I'm not saying the build is bad, nor am I saying it doesn't deal good damage.

I look at things in a very simple way. If you are showcasing what a ship can do then it should be what that ship can do on it's own. What does it bring to the table is the question.

Perhaps it brings CC, debuffs, and damage. So while that eject warp plasma ability doesn't deal a ton of damage on it's own the fact it pushes the entire team into accuracy overflow is a nice bonus. Same with attack pattern beta massively boosting an entire teams damage.

But when you are talking about how much damage a ship itself deals and attempting to challenge a well known fact (that being that beams deal poor damage comparatively) then you are going to be held to some basic standards. Those standards being the damage must be coming from your ship and not the team's abilities boosting you or some form of cheeze DPS if you expect anyone to take you seriously.

doffingcomrade

vexashen wrote: »

It doesnt really matter what I say. You guys will just discount it. The fact is its a high damage galaxy.

Actually, at least in my case, my interest in the matter is seeing how you even got those numbers, so I can attempt to compare them with mine. But without knowing what parameters you're logging them under, a comparison is meaningless. And what I do know is that the numbers you're logging are maybe 2.5x higher than what I see out of the typical PUG log, and I wish to know what causes this discrepancy: There are certainly many valid reasons why this could happen.

vexashen wrote: »

I mean really.. In a pug Im supposed to tell everyone to not use beta or tac fleet. And those pug people that dont know me from a hole in the ground are going to listen?

Yes, but knowing what kind of conditions those figures come from are sort of critical to contextualizing what they mean. For instance, if your plugin version has different settings from mine, that would explain why the values you're listing don't match anything I've ever seen in a PUG...keep in mind, I'm not even talking about your values, I'm talking about the values of the other people. You say they were PUGgists, so I'm comparing them to values I've seen out of other PUGgists, and your values are way higher. Do they include shields? Does your plugin come from a version that either fixes a bug that reduces calculated outputs, or contains a bug that inflates them? All these things are important.

We cannot compare any values we get from doing similar things to yours without knowing this kind of stuff.

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supergirl1611

i'm very interested how you managed to get 10k dps from a Galaxy class as this ship is lucky to break the 4000k mark. My Fleet Nebula out dps's a Galaxy with quite some ease.

Even using those beams and consoles and popping weapons batteries i'm lucky to hit 4000k dps with a galaxy.

dkratasco

nikephorus wrote: »

I'm skeptical without proof. Even well built escorts have trouble breaking the 10k barrier.

With bugged plasma fire (Romulan and borg weapons) it's not that hard. Right now it can stuck even 10 times, each dealing 1-1,5k dmg per tick.

nikephorus

vexashen wrote: »

No matter whats posted theres always a group of you that will find a way to make it sound like my accomplishments mean nothing. I posted a video showing me solo infected elite and I get comments like well do that in a fed cruiser and it will be impressive. I SOLOED A 5 MAN ELITE MISSION! Show me anyone else thats done that with the video proof since thats the only thing that seems to matter around here.

I actually have less trouble believing that you soloed ISE. 10k on a Galaxy seems more far fetched. :P

ferdzso0

nikephorus wrote: »

I'm skeptical without proof. Even well built escorts have trouble breaking the 10k barrier.

lol. just lol.

to OP: I did get pretty much the scepticism like you did in my post, even tho I pretty much posted a few pugs, where players were way worse than in yours. I suggest you run more pugs, and give us more data, where there are worse players maybe this will convince others.
looking at the build, it is highly likely that this ship pulls 10k, tho with aux to bat it might be better

smokeybacon90

Have you tried out this build in a Fleet Excelsior or Imperial?

Also, why does the Zero Point Energy Conduit look much cooler in the skill planner

tpalelena

OP, thanks for proving that all the people who whine for more cruiser damage are just having bad builds.

fraghul2000

ferdzso0 wrote: »

lol. just lol.

to OP: I did get pretty much the scepticism like you did in my post, even tho I pretty much posted a few pugs, where players were way worse than in yours. I suggest you run more pugs, and give us more data, where there are worse players maybe this will convince others.
looking at the build, it is highly likely that this ship pulls 10k, tho with aux to bat it might be better

And anyone who has at least some grasp on game mechanics or did a few parses themselves know that your numbers are about as far fetched as his are.

ferdzso0

fraghul2000 wrote: »

And anyone who has at least some grasp on game mechanics or did a few parses themselves know that your numbers are about as far fetched as his are.

lol. why would you say that? I provided not only loads of parses, but the parser itself, so you can easily compare... lol. I even stated what are the drawbacks of my build, and what makes it tick. I see no way why would they be far fetched. unless we all have way too much time on our hands, and do phoshopping and such just so we can impress the mighty, respectable and honorable people of the forums

baudl

ferdzso0 wrote: »

lol. why would you say that? I provided not only loads of parses, but the parser itself, so you can easily compare... lol. I even stated what are the drawbacks of my build, and what makes it tick. I see no way why would they be far fetched. unless we all have way too much time on our hands, and do phoshopping and such just so we can impress the mighty, respectable and honorable people of the forums

concerning your post, i was scrolling through the detailed list you provided and i saw those max hits of 6k. Now a 6k hit is really something impressive and i'm barely able to reproduce such a hit even with a DHC without any heavy debuffing and/or a tac captain. So my guess is that only multiple stacks of sensor scan, FomM, etc... can produce such a hit with a beam.
I'm completely buffeled by this numbers, since without major debuffing from multiple players that seems impossible to reproduce with beams. First i thought it was the hit from the 3 part set bonus, but you have only 2 parts...so it can't be that.

personally i think the error of the parser lies with the beam array dmg and the fire at will 1 dmg...i think they are counted sepperately even while fire at will is active the parser (or combat log) counts them as sepperate hits when in fact it is only one hit...so take away a good portion of the beam array dmg (depending on the uptime of fire at will) and you have DPS numbers corresponding to a sci vessel with 6 beams that are kept above 110 weaponenergy all the time.

also the elite scorpion alone do 2300 if i check your list correctly (all plasma torpedo dmg is coming from the scorpion fighters i asume)

the dps we have here is then also distorted in the same fashion, seems to me the parser (or combat log) can't handle fire at will accordingly. That is ofcourse only my opinion based upon my experiance that 10k dps is rather something very rare and requires a multitude of targets over the course of the entire battle + some heavy debuffing.

molaigh

So you want a DPS number without other people around? I test my builds in PUGs because there are others around - that's where I'm going to fly it. I'm a sci with debuffs, should I reduce my team mates DPS by a factor of two when I look at the logs? As Vex said, if you think this is somehow unfair - come fly with our fleet in an ESTF. We work together and these builds get even more sick.

To the people talking 5K.... I break that in my sci vessels (without ignoring my science role), so try again.


Vex, can I fight these guys?

kinmob

@ Op

Some people still believe the earth is flat.....

LoL @ all you folks that can't figure out how to dps with beams and cruisers....
Several people have posted how...and even posted video links showing you...

P.S. to the OP.

Be careful.....no one ever expects the Spanish Inquisition...

mehen

I would say that, at least with escorts and science vessels, 5k dps using STOICS is quite easy to reach, even more so with a good team. I also have witnessed several cruisers hitting that mark, but those were generally cannon Excelsiors with tac captains. I know I have to milk every bit of dps out of my Fleet Nebula as an engi captain to reach 7k, and have a bit of luck, but honestly...that's really all anyone needs.

So if the OP really has achieved a 10k dps Galaxy, gratz, but it really doesn't matter in the end if it's an effective build that isn't immediately supplanted by an everyday escort in combat. I'd be interested to see what dmg you can pull with this build if you modified it for a Support Cruiser, though.

vexashen

I still pull great healing numbers in that ship with ts2, he1, aux to sif 3, eng team 2. Is it an ideal heal boat? no. But it was an experiment to see what kind of damage I could pull with a supposedly low damage ship. Yes I could have done more using this build on a fleet excel... but that wasnt the purpose.

The entire idea behind the build is that with 6 beams plus the experimental beam (which doesnt draw weapon power), 3 embassy plasma consoles, the 2 peice romulan weapon set bonus and 2 purple mk 12 plasma consoles you can crank out HUGE plasma damage.

As for the parser I run the latest plugin that was released without changing any options.
http://advancedcombattracker.com/home.php
http://denkbassin.de/sto/ACT.html v2012

Also for those of you saying faw parses wrong... My fleet does elite stfs in 4-7 minutes with all cruisers spamming faw. Thats 4 minutes on infected, 7 for KA. You can say in infected Im throwing damage at things that are healing through it so it doesnt matter... Well lets look at that.

1)cube and first 2 spheres... faw is hurting all 3 of them.
2)cube, 4 generators, 1 transformer. Faw is hurting all but 1 of those.
3)sphere spam and gate.. I position myself outside the range of the gate since I know that fire will do nothing to it. faw is hurting everything.
4)2nd cube / transformer... repeat of the last.
5)sphere spam, tac cube, gate. At this point I stay out of range of the cube and gate... regardless though at this point anything I hit will take damage. Once the spheres are down we move onto the gate. FaW still does great damage against single target. Once the gate dies I move onto the cube and the same applies.

Once again I challenge any of you that think this build is giving false numbers to simply run with my fleet. Look me up in game edward teach@vexashen or my klingon k'urg@vexashen