I gave JJ Wreck a chance. I watched it. and while a good movie. NOT Trek and the stuff I know about the latest movie has not encourage me to watch it. And just because Paramount made it doesn't make it canon. It's more money milking for them.
I am willing to bite.
What do you consider the structure of Trek? I guess what do you consider it to be the core system of Trek?
We all have our values and ideals, but I guess we should know more before we start throwing each other under the bus
To me: The basic idea of Trek is that while the society is "near perfect" (i.e. no need for money, technology advanced, and advance medical benefits kinda like super socialism where everyone is equal and have access to everything) there is always room for human growth. "basic human nature" seems to crop up and make people do things. people still get jealous or greed (different level like power greed) or just plain evil and the people overcome that (with sacrifice of several red shirts)
There are others, but I don't have the time to type up all of it
How long can you sustain such a futile debate on two words?
...Oh, baby, you know, I've really got to leave you / Oh, I can hear it callin 'me / I said don't you hear it callin' me the way it used to do?...
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i've had just about enough of this stubborn jackass of a nine year-old dental troll...the rest of you have fun arguing the little brat out of the topic; i'll be happily commenting on other topics
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch." "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
i've had just about enough of this stubborn jackass of a nine year-old dental troll...the rest of you have fun arguing the little brat out of the topic; i'll be happily commenting on other topics
I highly doubt you're alone on that desire to leave; I've pretty much just gonna leave and go check in on STO.
I advise others to do the same, as far as leaving this delusional 'thing' to himself.
Was named Trek17.
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
I keep thinking of Adam Savage saying "I reject your reality and substitute my own" when reading this stuff, the fact is the studio made the movie, they have the license, so it's canon, like it or not. But as others are saying, I too have better things to do than feed trolls.
If something is not broken, don't fix it, if it is broken, don't leave it broken.
lets go with what Gene said was canon. That is TOS, TNG, and ST:TMP-ST:IV The Voyage Home, if it isn't in there it isnt Canon
That's not how it works. At all.
I don't know why I'm wasting my time on this. I probably should have abandoned this thread days ago. Fortunately, that's one mistake I don't have to live with.
"Critics who say that the optimistic utopia Star Trek depicted is now outmoded forget the cultural context that gave birth to it: Star Trek was not a manifestation of optimism when optimism was easy. Star Trek declared a hope for a future that nobody stuck in the present could believe in. For all our struggles today, we haven’t outgrown the need for stories like Star Trek. We need tales of optimism, of heroes, of courage and goodness now as much as we’ve ever needed them." -Thomas Marrone
lets go with what Gene said was canon. That is TOS, TNG, and ST:TMP-ST:IV The Voyage Home, if it isn't in there it isnt Canon
link please
Your pain runs deep.
Let us explore it... together. Each man hides a secret pain. It must be exposed and reckoned with. It must be dragged from the darkness and forced into the light. Share your pain. Share your pain with me... and gain strength from the sharing.
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch." "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
I think I'm checking out of this thread. There is a lot of dumb in here and arguing against it is beyond my capabilities and desires. I will leave you with this: you can't be a fan of Star Trek if you're close minded.
Your pain runs deep.
Let us explore it... together. Each man hides a secret pain. It must be exposed and reckoned with. It must be dragged from the darkness and forced into the light. Share your pain. Share your pain with me... and gain strength from the sharing.
I can see how what you guys mean. If you compare it to the Godzilla films, all of them were fairly similar until the 98' American Godzilla that we all hated. Thankfully that didn't turn into a new movie saga.
Or the Bayformers, that would be another example. However, the extreme amount of hatred is almost uncalled for. Abrams didn't destroy Star Trek, far from that, he made it better for the current generation and era. Yes it is more similar to Star Wars, but people like action and explosions. Sadly the cries against the JJ Trek isn't loud enough to stop it and probably wont ever be. Same with Transformers.
Godzilla on the other hand... Everyone hated that 98 remake besides the few Americans who had never seen the older ones before. And thankfully more Godzilla movies have been confirmed for 2014 and he'll actually look similar to the older version but more updated.
Basically what i'm saying is that the ratio of People who hate JJ Trek to People who like it is a very unbalanced scale.
I liked the 98 American Godzilla, then again I was born in 96, so I didn't watch that original ugly Godzilla, and I love the original ST, but I want the Narada and New Enterprise.
*Edit* I didnt look at the last post date, sorry for Necroing
The difference between "canon" and "it happened" are wide. Sure, the JJprise may be canon and seen on screen, but it was never seen in the "Prime" universe at all - and since the JJverse is not overwriting the current universe, it's safe to say the JJprise does not ever exist here.
It will never happen in STO, and due to the new Trek residing under a different production company, Cryptic won't ask them. Sorry, but that ends the discussion.
Don't get me wrong, I like the design of the JJprise. But I've long since faced facts, and moved on.
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The difference between "canon" and "it happened" are wide. Sure, the JJprise may be canon and seen on screen, but it was never seen in the "Prime" universe at all - and since the JJverse is not overwriting the current universe, it's safe to say the JJprise does not ever exist here.
It will never happen in STO, and due to the new Trek residing under a different production company, Cryptic won't ask them. Sorry, but that ends the discussion.
Don't get me wrong, I like the design of the JJprise. But I've long since faced facts, and moved on.
This was originally About The Narada, which while not seen in STO is from the prime universe, as the Countdown comics state, as well as STO lore, so your argument is off topic and invalid
This was originally About The Narada, which while not seen in STO is from the prime universe, as the Countdown comics state, as well as STO lore, so your argument is off topic and invalid
Hey guys just wanted to ask if its possible that in the future they will make the alternate version of the Enterprise the one from JJ Abrams one.
You were saying?
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Alright while I don't hate anyone who liked the movie, it created so many plot holes and irrational story and character development. You may say the movie hasn't really effected the original timeline,but I'd say the whole blowing up Romulus, and the various plot hole filled stuff leading up to it. Most certainly did, the fact most anybody who knows anything about supernova's will tell you there is no way it would "threaten the galaxy" as Spock put it.
They don't travel faster then light when they explode thous Romulans would have more then enough warning... So sto had to fix it and say the Ionians did it with some super powerful tech...
Another thing why in the heck did the Romulans need spock or red matter, Romulan singularity cores are black holes, they could make as many black holes as they wanted to protect Romulus.
Honestly the whole nero vengeance thing made little to no sense. He could have easily gotten his wife and stuff off the planet and protected romulus with his own black whole tech... He has no reason to be mad at spock for anything. Plus the lack of real interaction with his crew, they were nothing but peons who followed every order no matter how insane that's just kinda sad. I can't express enough the lack of attention to proper antagonist development that had.
But the jj ship being in sto I wouldn't really care though It won't happen unless sto makes some deal with paramount...
Alright while I don't hate anyone who liked the movie, it created so many plot holes and irrational story and character development. You may say the movie hasn't really effected the original timeline,but I'd say the whole blowing up Romulus, and the various plot hole filled stuff leading up to it. Most certainly did, the fact most anybody who knows anything about supernova's will tell you there is no way it would "threaten the galaxy" as Spock put it.
They don't travel faster then light when they explode thous Romulans would have more then enough warning... So sto had to fix it and say the Ionians did it with some super powerful tech...
Another thing why in the heck did the Romulans need spock or red matter, Romulan singularity cores are black holes, they could make as many black holes as they wanted to protect Romulus.
Honestly the whole nero vengeance thing made little to no sense. He could have easily gotten his wife and stuff off the planet and protected romulus with his own black whole tech... He has no reason to be mad at spock for anything. Plus the lack of real interaction with his crew, they were nothing but peons who followed every order no matter how insane that's just kinda sad. I can't express enough the lack of attention to proper antagonist development that had.
But the jj ship being in sto I wouldn't really care though It won't happen unless sto makes some deal with paramount...
dont bother the JJ fans will try to explain it all quite poorly but they will try
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I am willing to bite.
What do you consider the structure of Trek? I guess what do you consider it to be the core system of Trek?
We all have our values and ideals, but I guess we should know more before we start throwing each other under the bus
To me: The basic idea of Trek is that while the society is "near perfect" (i.e. no need for money, technology advanced, and advance medical benefits kinda like super socialism where everyone is equal and have access to everything) there is always room for human growth. "basic human nature" seems to crop up and make people do things. people still get jealous or greed (different level like power greed) or just plain evil and the people overcome that (with sacrifice of several red shirts)
There are others, but I don't have the time to type up all of it
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Or so completely delusional/stubborn a black hole has a better chance of returning what's sucked in
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
Holy balls of red matter.
How long can you sustain such a futile debate on two words?
...Oh, baby, you know, I've really got to leave you / Oh, I can hear it callin 'me / I said don't you hear it callin' me the way it used to do?...
- Anne Bredon
i've had just about enough of this stubborn jackass of a nine year-old dental troll...the rest of you have fun arguing the little brat out of the topic; i'll be happily commenting on other topics
#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
I advise others to do the same, as far as leaving this delusional 'thing' to himself.
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
lets go with what Gene said was canon. That is TOS, TNG, and ST:TMP-ST:IV The Voyage Home, if it isn't in there it isnt Canon
That's not how it works. At all.
I don't know why I'm wasting my time on this. I probably should have abandoned this thread days ago. Fortunately, that's one mistake I don't have to live with.
"Critics who say that the optimistic utopia Star Trek depicted is now outmoded forget the cultural context that gave birth to it: Star Trek was not a manifestation of optimism when optimism was easy. Star Trek declared a hope for a future that nobody stuck in the present could believe in. For all our struggles today, we haven’t outgrown the need for stories like Star Trek. We need tales of optimism, of heroes, of courage and goodness now as much as we’ve ever needed them."
-Thomas Marrone
simple, because it's true. ask any command and Conquer fan on wether Tiberium Twilight is canon.
link please
Let us explore it... together. Each man hides a secret pain. It must be exposed and reckoned with. It must be dragged from the darkness and forced into the light. Share your pain. Share your pain with me... and gain strength from the sharing.
Just because a piece of fiction/film/game is a terrible mess doesn't mean it isn't canon.
and that game is a terrible mess...i should know, since i own a copy
#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Let us explore it... together. Each man hides a secret pain. It must be exposed and reckoned with. It must be dragged from the darkness and forced into the light. Share your pain. Share your pain with me... and gain strength from the sharing.
That said, if Cryptic had the power to fully add JJ Trek to STO, they'd do it in an instant. Blockbuster movie tie-in is a license to print money.
I liked the 98 American Godzilla, then again I was born in 96, so I didn't watch that original ugly Godzilla, and I love the original ST, but I want the Narada and New Enterprise.
*Edit* I didnt look at the last post date, sorry for Necroing
good point ,you made me read your post
They are cannons as Evil Dead and NIghtmare on Elm's street ...both on earth but different colations :rolleyes:
Still, I get into enough trouble on the fourms
It will never happen in STO, and due to the new Trek residing under a different production company, Cryptic won't ask them. Sorry, but that ends the discussion.
Don't get me wrong, I like the design of the JJprise. But I've long since faced facts, and moved on.
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This was originally About The Narada, which while not seen in STO is from the prime universe, as the Countdown comics state, as well as STO lore, so your argument is off topic and invalid
You were saying?
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Hmm, dont know how but I ended up on the wrong thread
*Edit* Yup, wrong forum, I hate feeling TRIBBLE, but I support all JJ Ships in STO regardless
They don't travel faster then light when they explode thous Romulans would have more then enough warning... So sto had to fix it and say the Ionians did it with some super powerful tech...
Another thing why in the heck did the Romulans need spock or red matter, Romulan singularity cores are black holes, they could make as many black holes as they wanted to protect Romulus.
Honestly the whole nero vengeance thing made little to no sense. He could have easily gotten his wife and stuff off the planet and protected romulus with his own black whole tech... He has no reason to be mad at spock for anything. Plus the lack of real interaction with his crew, they were nothing but peons who followed every order no matter how insane that's just kinda sad. I can't express enough the lack of attention to proper antagonist development that had.
But the jj ship being in sto I wouldn't really care though It won't happen unless sto makes some deal with paramount...
dont bother the JJ fans will try to explain it all quite poorly but they will try
The supernova travelled through subspace, converting matter into energy. It's not realistic science, but Star Trek has never had need of it before.
Anyway. It's Exeter's neck and engines, Connie's saucer, and Vesper's pylons.
but
It's an alternate timeline which doesn't exist in the STO universe (Yaaay!)
The only good thing about JJ trek is that it added some needed spice to the normal timeline with the Hobus nova/ Romulus destruction.
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=591611
nuff of this "GIMME JJ-PRIZE!!!". These threads just mushroom out of control!
http://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/10052253
Why are you not rejoicing?