It's accurate about how I feel about it. but let's go back to my original point. NO JJprise in this game not needed, not wanted.
... By You.
Which totally negates the validity of your arguments...
... other than to prove that you have a very self-centric attitude.
And since you neither own nor control the game, puts you in the rather dubious position of looking very foolish.
STO Member since February 2009. I Was A Trekkie Before It Was Cool ... Sept. 8th, 1966 ... Not To Mention Before Most Folks Around Here Were Born! Forever a STO Veteran-Minion
Remember the episode where Tom Paris and Janeway turned into amphibious creatures and mated?
Was that the one where they went all transwarp on the universe?
Anyway, the fans obviously weren't carrying the franchise. Nemesis would have been the last movie, and Enterprise the last series, if it wasn't for the relaunch.
At least now we can hope there will be another series at some point in the future (hopefully not set in the JJ-verse).
And if it is the last gasp of the franchise as it sells out, so be it. At least its not ending with Entercrap.
"Tolerance and apathy are the last virtues of a dying society." - Aristotle
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch." "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch." "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
And here I thought that was one of Voyager's better episodes.
It is..., as long as one doesn't try to logically or scientifically explain the premise.
Which holds true for many 'good' Trek episodes.
STO Member since February 2009. I Was A Trekkie Before It Was Cool ... Sept. 8th, 1966 ... Not To Mention Before Most Folks Around Here Were Born! Forever a STO Veteran-Minion
And it's also accurate that you've proved a dozen times over that you do not care about other's logic, and that you will cling to your delusional opinion, even though it is clearly wrong.
And I find it sickening that you claim to know how Gene Roddenberry would have responded were he alive. You disrespect him by doing so
Being a true fan does not have barriers, sprok87.
If you like it, you are a fan, that much is obvious. But being a true fan means you will approach all source material (meaning JJ Trek and the newest movie) with an open mind, and give your opinion, because you are a fan. These new fans may not have liked or noticed ST before JJ Trek, but they loved the movie, and it got their interest in ST, so they apply because they're willing to give what came before a chance.
It's the same with us 'older' fans; we must be willing to give JJ Trek a chance, even if our ultimate opinion is 'we don't like it', 'could have been better', 'love it' etc. Claiming the movie should never have existed, is not canon, and other such arguments do not fall under open mind... and therefore exclude you from being a true fan.
As does claiming someone is not a true fan simply because their opinion is different.
it's NEVER okay to be narrow-minded, and if you think it is, you completely missed the whole point of star trek, and if you completely missed the whole point of star trek, you are no fan
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch." "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
it's NEVER okay to be narrow-minded, and if you think it is, you completely missed the whole point of star trek, and if you completely missed the whole point of star trek, you are no fan
sure it is, saying murder is wrong is narrow minded, saying its wrong to **** children is narrow minded. So if you think the whole point of trek is to keep an open mind about everything, accept that murder isnt evil and its ok to abuse children.
sure it is, saying murder is wrong is narrow minded, saying its wrong to **** children is narrow minded. So if you think the whole point of trek is to keep an open mind about everything, accept that murder isnt evil and its ok to abuse children.
sure it is, saying murder is wrong is narrow minded, saying its wrong to **** children is narrow minded. So if you think the whole point of trek is to keep an open mind about everything, accept that murder isnt evil and its ok to abuse children.
Say What??
How is abuse children even in the same category as Star Trek Canon discussion?
The terms on open mind, is that as long it is Star Trek related (Officially carry the Star Trek title) then it is part of Canon.
What I mean by official, it is officially release by entities like JJ Trek. Fan Fiction doesn't count BUT books with Star Trek titles can count as Canon as long the creator (or his group) authorized it.
Since JJ Trek is official, it is canon.
Now..... whether we like or dislike the story, that is a different matter, but that is where open mind comes into play. At first, I was very hesitant on JJ Trek because I thought it was going to be a whole "reboot" which could "erase/override" old canon of the movie (i.e. replace it) BUT!!!!!!!!!!
It was made to alternate timeline instead. So the original and next gen STILL exist (and not reboot) while JJ Trek exist also.
That was basically my reaction too... that's why I haven't bothered to reply (to her).
Because of that, and a few other things she's said, I feel there is nothing meaningful I could say that would actually get through, at least the way I intended it.
Was named Trek17.
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
sure it is, saying murder is wrong is narrow minded, saying its wrong to **** children is narrow minded. So if you think the whole point of trek is to keep an open mind about everything, accept that murder isnt evil and its ok to abuse children.
You are clearly out of your tiny mind.
I was going to bring into the argument the TNG episode "Half a Life" in which we come to accept a culture that euthanizes its citizens when they turn sixty, but on second thought I have no desire to waste any time arguing the nuances of relativistice morality with someone who equates making a movie with murder.
...Oh, baby, you know, I've really got to leave you / Oh, I can hear it callin 'me / I said don't you hear it callin' me the way it used to do?...
- Anne Bredon
That was basically my reaction too... that's why I haven't bothered to reply (to her).
Because of that, and a few other things she's said, I feel there is nothing meaningful I could say that would actually get through, at least the way I intended it.
what can you possibly say to knock some sense into a terrorist? because something so disgusting like that said so brazenly makes me think that's what he is, or at the very least someone who belongs in an insane asylum
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch." "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
It's fact if a good portion rejects it. and a good portion does. the rest of you are so desperate to make a new trek work you miss the errors of JJ and his approach.
I'm curious; Where do you get off speaking for 50% of the people who saw the 2009 movie, and/or love Trek?
Where does this "fact" about a good portion of people rejecting the 2009 movie? Source?
It's called imaginary statistics and is often used by people whose arguments are falling apart.
There is no reason why we couldn't get the 2K9 Enterprise into the game other than legal licensing aspects. It would be very easy for the game authors to create some kind of story to justify it's inclusion, we already have 2 races that mess with crossing time and dimensions, Q and the Tholians with the Iconians as a possible 3rd race. The only thing keeping it out of the running is if Cryptic is refused permission to use it, or if Cryptic chooses not to.
If something is not broken, don't fix it, if it is broken, don't leave it broken.
That was basically my reaction too... that's why I haven't bothered to reply (to her).
Because of that, and a few other things she's said, I feel there is nothing meaningful I could say that would actually get through, at least the way I intended it.
calling me a she is very in polite. See thats the problem with people and what they think Star Trek was about, it was about humanity and what we could achive, but never setting aside what makes us human and that means holding fast to certain things. TNG ignored that and set aside humanity.
calling me a she is very in polite. See thats the problem with people and what they think Star Trek was about, it was about humanity and what we could achive, but never setting aside what makes us human and that means holding fast to certain things. TNG ignored that and set aside humanity.
First off, I apologize about calling you a she since you say you're not, but it's often hard to tell gender on an internet forum.
And second... you have your opinion about what Star Trek was about; that's okay. But do not presume to say that's what every opinion about Star Trek should be, because that is rude. And narrow-minded, which as previously stated, is not a good thing for you to have, and is rapidly eroding your fan status and credibility.
Was named Trek17.
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
And second... you have your opinion about what Star Trek was about; that's okay. But do not presume to say that's what every opinion about Star Trek should be, because that is rude. And narrow-minded, which as previously stated, is not a good thing for you to have, and is rapidly eroding your fan status and credibility.
the fact that you spoke about murder and **** so casually certainly didn't help your credibility either, and made your impoliteness comment look extremely hypocritical
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch." "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
calling me a she is very in polite. See thats the problem with people and what they think Star Trek was about, it was about humanity and what we could achive, but never setting aside what makes us human and that means holding fast to certain things. TNG ignored that and set aside humanity.
I am not sure what season of TNG you were watching, but I didn't get that from watching practically almost all the season (I grew up with it when it first aired) and watching the classics on TV with commercials
That aside. STO is a different beast altogether. We have cross faction ships we fly around and even time travel. So I don't think it is far fetch to have alter universe ship coming into play (we already have mirrored universe) so in short of Legal, I don't see why not.
But if you are arguing it is against canon, I think STO threw that book out the window long ago
I gave JJ Wreck a chance. I watched it. and while a good movie. NOT Trek and the stuff I know about the latest movie has not encourage me to watch it. And just because Paramount made it doesn't make it canon. It's more money milking for them.
sure it is, saying murder is wrong is narrow minded, saying its wrong to **** children is narrow minded. So if you think the whole point of trek is to keep an open mind about everything, accept that murder isnt evil and its ok to abuse children.
Are we being Punk'd???
Your pain runs deep.
Let us explore it... together. Each man hides a secret pain. It must be exposed and reckoned with. It must be dragged from the darkness and forced into the light. Share your pain. Share your pain with me... and gain strength from the sharing.
I gave JJ Wreck a chance. I watched it. and while a good movie. NOT Trek and the stuff I know about the latest movie has not encourage me to watch it. And just because Paramount made it doesn't make it canon. It's more money milking for them.
for the last god-damn time, if the company that owns an IP says that something made with that IP is canon, THEN IT'S CANON! end of discussion!
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch." "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
And just because Paramount made it doesn't make it canon.
I'm pretty sure that is the very definition of canon.
Your pain runs deep.
Let us explore it... together. Each man hides a secret pain. It must be exposed and reckoned with. It must be dragged from the darkness and forced into the light. Share your pain. Share your pain with me... and gain strength from the sharing.
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... By You.
Which totally negates the validity of your arguments...
... other than to prove that you have a very self-centric attitude.
And since you neither own nor control the game, puts you in the rather dubious position of looking very foolish.
I Was A Trekkie Before It Was Cool ... Sept. 8th, 1966 ... Not To Mention Before Most Folks Around Here Were Born!
Forever a STO Veteran-Minion
Anyway, the fans obviously weren't carrying the franchise. Nemesis would have been the last movie, and Enterprise the last series, if it wasn't for the relaunch.
At least now we can hope there will be another series at some point in the future (hopefully not set in the JJ-verse).
And if it is the last gasp of the franchise as it sells out, so be it. At least its not ending with Entercrap.
that's the one
#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
high praise, considering even the producers of said episode said it was a big mistake
#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
It is..., as long as one doesn't try to logically or scientifically explain the premise.
Which holds true for many 'good' Trek episodes.
I Was A Trekkie Before It Was Cool ... Sept. 8th, 1966 ... Not To Mention Before Most Folks Around Here Were Born!
Forever a STO Veteran-Minion
Not that it's the same, but yeah, logic and trek don't always go hand in hand.
If they did, there wouldn't be much use for Vulcans.
its ok to be narrow minded when your right
it's NEVER okay to be narrow-minded, and if you think it is, you completely missed the whole point of star trek, and if you completely missed the whole point of star trek, you are no fan
#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
At first I thought I was just having a hard time taking you seriously because of the stupid typo in your sig.
But now I have an actually good reason.
NO! and damn you for even suggesting such a thing.
sure it is, saying murder is wrong is narrow minded, saying its wrong to **** children is narrow minded. So if you think the whole point of trek is to keep an open mind about everything, accept that murder isnt evil and its ok to abuse children.
oh my god.
This is so dumb, I just... I can't even... wow.
Say What??
How is abuse children even in the same category as Star Trek Canon discussion?
The terms on open mind, is that as long it is Star Trek related (Officially carry the Star Trek title) then it is part of Canon.
What I mean by official, it is officially release by entities like JJ Trek. Fan Fiction doesn't count BUT books with Star Trek titles can count as Canon as long the creator (or his group) authorized it.
Since JJ Trek is official, it is canon.
Now..... whether we like or dislike the story, that is a different matter, but that is where open mind comes into play. At first, I was very hesitant on JJ Trek because I thought it was going to be a whole "reboot" which could "erase/override" old canon of the movie (i.e. replace it) BUT!!!!!!!!!!
It was made to alternate timeline instead. So the original and next gen STILL exist (and not reboot) while JJ Trek exist also.
Please review my campaign and I'll return the favor.
Because of that, and a few other things she's said, I feel there is nothing meaningful I could say that would actually get through, at least the way I intended it.
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
You are clearly out of your tiny mind.
I was going to bring into the argument the TNG episode "Half a Life" in which we come to accept a culture that euthanizes its citizens when they turn sixty, but on second thought I have no desire to waste any time arguing the nuances of relativistice morality with someone who equates making a movie with murder.
...Oh, baby, you know, I've really got to leave you / Oh, I can hear it callin 'me / I said don't you hear it callin' me the way it used to do?...
- Anne Bredon
what can you possibly say to knock some sense into a terrorist? because something so disgusting like that said so brazenly makes me think that's what he is, or at the very least someone who belongs in an insane asylum
#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
I'm curious; Where do you get off speaking for 50% of the people who saw the 2009 movie, and/or love Trek?
Where does this "fact" about a good portion of people rejecting the 2009 movie? Source?
There is no reason why we couldn't get the 2K9 Enterprise into the game other than legal licensing aspects. It would be very easy for the game authors to create some kind of story to justify it's inclusion, we already have 2 races that mess with crossing time and dimensions, Q and the Tholians with the Iconians as a possible 3rd race. The only thing keeping it out of the running is if Cryptic is refused permission to use it, or if Cryptic chooses not to.
calling me a she is very in polite. See thats the problem with people and what they think Star Trek was about, it was about humanity and what we could achive, but never setting aside what makes us human and that means holding fast to certain things. TNG ignored that and set aside humanity.
And second... you have your opinion about what Star Trek was about; that's okay. But do not presume to say that's what every opinion about Star Trek should be, because that is rude. And narrow-minded, which as previously stated, is not a good thing for you to have, and is rapidly eroding your fan status and credibility.
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
the fact that you spoke about murder and **** so casually certainly didn't help your credibility either, and made your impoliteness comment look extremely hypocritical
#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
I am not sure what season of TNG you were watching, but I didn't get that from watching practically almost all the season (I grew up with it when it first aired) and watching the classics on TV with commercials
That aside. STO is a different beast altogether. We have cross faction ships we fly around and even time travel. So I don't think it is far fetch to have alter universe ship coming into play (we already have mirrored universe) so in short of Legal, I don't see why not.
But if you are arguing it is against canon, I think STO threw that book out the window long ago
Please review my campaign and I'll return the favor.
Are we being Punk'd???
Let us explore it... together. Each man hides a secret pain. It must be exposed and reckoned with. It must be dragged from the darkness and forced into the light. Share your pain. Share your pain with me... and gain strength from the sharing.
That's as clear as I can make it for you. And even then I fear it's not enough.
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
for the last god-damn time, if the company that owns an IP says that something made with that IP is canon, THEN IT'S CANON! end of discussion!
#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
I'm pretty sure that is the very definition of canon.
Let us explore it... together. Each man hides a secret pain. It must be exposed and reckoned with. It must be dragged from the darkness and forced into the light. Share your pain. Share your pain with me... and gain strength from the sharing.