Enterprise was quite popular in the UK...Maybe because not every episode had a happy ending? Go through 2 world wars, numerous penalty shoot outs and losing a plethora of sporting acheivements and you soon get used to it...
And I doubt the JJ Enterprise will be on STO... that one is owned by JJ himself, the rest is by CBS? HBO? Some other company... I think the contract is STO can use any ship in any of the TV Series but must not use anything to do with the JJ Abrams franchise... I wonder if the new film will impact on STO at all...
I honestly suspect that he's just some bored kid who doesn't quite understand how trolling works, since we're all just kind of laughing at him.
Call me an optimist, but I just refuse to believe anyone actually thinks the way he talks.
Well, from what I've seen he may not be trying to troll, simply trying to hold onto his closed-minded opinion of what he thinks should be right, kinda like a spoiled child might do...
I don't know, but yeah, we're done everything but laugh at him on these forums
Was named Trek17.
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
The only thing I really couldn't stand about it was, as I mentioned in an earlier post in this thread, the new Enterprise.
at least the new enterprise looks like an actual federation starship, as opposed to the cheap hunk of plastic hanging on strings the original one was...
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch." "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
Well, I remain indifferent about JJ-Trek. I didn't hate it, I didn't love it - it was decent enough I guess.
This. I liked the visual and actor re-imaginings. The shakycam, the lens flare, the instant angst via dead parents... blech. They took a (somewhat) bright and shiny look at the future and turned it into generic 21st century fare.
This. I liked the visual and actor re-imaginings. The shakycam, the lens flare, the instant angst via dead parents... blech. They took a (somewhat) bright and shiny look at the future and turned it into generic 21st century fare.
Well, wouldn't YOU be angsting if you saw your mother die right in front of you, and you futilely tried to save her but could not, quite literally inches away from you the whole time? Plus, Spock is half-Vulcan, and as we've seen multiple times, Vulcan emotions are considerably stronger than human ones...
I don't blame him for it, personally And the lens flares, while definitely overdone, were themselves not a bad thing (and certainly not annoying imo). And a little shakycam never hurt anyone (actually, it helps the whole drama feel, I think)
Just my two cents on that.
Was named Trek17.
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
I actually like the JJ Enterprise better than the Galaxy class version
Your pain runs deep.
Let us explore it... together. Each man hides a secret pain. It must be exposed and reckoned with. It must be dragged from the darkness and forced into the light. Share your pain. Share your pain with me... and gain strength from the sharing.
1- It's Canon.
2- It's Popular.
3- It's Coming Back. In May.
4- Even If You Scream Khaaaaaaan! Six Times A Day, Benedict Cumberbatch Is Still Going To Take The Role Into New Frontiers.
5- Zachary Quinto Is Awesome.
6- Karl Urban Is Just As Awesome.
7- Zoey Saldana Kicks Butt.
8- Bruce Greenwood As Pike. Again. It Doesn't Get Cooler Than That.
9- Cumberbatch Is The Best Holmes On Tv Right Now. And Really You Don't Get A Better Villain Than The Guy Playing Sauron In The New Hobbit Series. You Shouldn't Sleep On Into Darkness.
10- It's Canon Whether You Like It Or Not.
I'm not delusional. and face it 50% if that like JJ Wreck the rest don't with a passion
And yet, you ignore and refute all logic that goes against your opinion that JJ Trek isn't canon I don't think it could be much else.
And I don't deny that some people don't like JJ Trek, but it's not an even split between like/dislike. The newer fans who never really saw or liked ST before pretty much loved it, and older fans are simply mixed. And mixed could mean ANYTHING, in terms of percentage splits over like/dislike for the movie.
Ie, it's generally impossibe for one guy to claim how split the base is based purely on those who don't like it (who are by definition more vocal than those who like it, so it's uneven in the first place)
Was named Trek17.
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
"Critics who say that the optimistic utopia Star Trek depicted is now outmoded forget the cultural context that gave birth to it: Star Trek was not a manifestation of optimism when optimism was easy. Star Trek declared a hope for a future that nobody stuck in the present could believe in. For all our struggles today, we haven’t outgrown the need for stories like Star Trek. We need tales of optimism, of heroes, of courage and goodness now as much as we’ve ever needed them." -Thomas Marrone
Okay it's not official lore is a money attempt and another in a long line of Reboot attempts of classics series. Now I watched JJ Wreck. was it a good movie yes. Was it a Star Trek Movie. NO. What is currently selling in Star Trek? The TRUE Trek. STO has the destructrion of Romlus and the disappearence of Spock and Nero. THAT'S IT and it moves on.
Okay it's not official lore is a money attempt and another in a long line of Reboot attempts of classics series. Now I watched JJ Wreck. was it a good movie yes. Was it a Star Trek Movie. NO. What is currently selling in Star Trek? The TRUE Trek. STO has the destructrion of Romlus and the disappearence of Spock and Nero. THAT'S IT and it moves on.
You line of reasoning just made Spock Prime Non-Canon.
He now dwells in the Star Trek universe created by the 2009 movie.
How is this possible if that movie is Not Canon??
You can deny it all you want, but the two new movies ARE canon...
They just exist in another universe.
And that's coming from a 'True' Trek fan who has been one since September 8th, 1966.
STO Member since February 2009. I Was A Trekkie Before It Was Cool ... Sept. 8th, 1966 ... Not To Mention Before Most Folks Around Here Were Born! Forever a STO Veteran-Minion
STO Member since February 2009. I Was A Trekkie Before It Was Cool ... Sept. 8th, 1966 ... Not To Mention Before Most Folks Around Here Were Born! Forever a STO Veteran-Minion
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch." "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
It's fact if a good portion rejects it. and a good portion does. the rest of you are so desperate to make a new trek work you miss the errors of JJ and his approach.
The problem with the JJ-prise isn't that it isn't canon, but that it's from an alternate reality. If you listen to Leonard Nemoy's introduction to the game, he describes the events that led to him being sucked through the black hole, beginning the events of the new movie series and identifying STO's reality as the non-JJ reality. Those events led to a change in Federation history, including ship development, and thus the JJ-prise. It does not belong in THIS timeline, the STO timeline, because this is still the "original" timeline, not the altered one. We still have the TOS Constitution and the refit, it wouldn't make sense at all to have a different "original" Constitution-class.
The same argument could, of course, be made for the Galaxy-X class, but since it's from a future alternate timeline (from the standpoint of the most recent series ending, Voyager ended in 2378, and the most recent movie, Nemesis took place in 2379, the Galaxy-X design was seen in the future alternate timeline of 2395), not a past one, the Galaxy-X class could still come to exist by the time of STO in 2409 (which states the Galaxy-X entered production in 2390).
The universe has a wonderful sense of humor. The trick is learning how to take a joke.
And yet, you ignore and refute all logic that goes against your opinion that JJ Trek isn't canon I don't think it could be much else.
And I don't deny that some people don't like JJ Trek, but it's not an even split between like/dislike. The newer fans who never really saw or liked ST before pretty much loved it, and older fans are simply mixed. And mixed could mean ANYTHING, in terms of percentage splits over like/dislike for the movie.
Ie, it's generally impossibe for one guy to claim how split the base is based purely on those who don't like it (who are by definition more vocal than those who like it, so it's uneven in the first place)
and you consider these new fans that only came to trek because of JJ to be true fan? They are less desirable than Voyager fans, they have no idea what Star Trek really is, they couldn't tell me the diffrence between a hypo spray and an isolinear chip.
You are. And if Gene Rodenberry and his wife were still alive they would have stopped the direction JJ Wreck went.
Interesting fact: Majel Barrett-Roddenberry actually recorded a few lines as the Computer in the new Trek movie before she died. You can clearly hear her when Chekov is talking to his console before making a ship-wide announcement.
So, not only was she alive, she had read the script and participated in the movie.
Leonard Nimoy, who refused to participate in such Star Trek projects as Star Trek: Generations, not only approved of the script, but appeared in the movie as Spock.
Are you saying you know better than Leonard Nimoy?
It's accurate about how I feel about it. but let's go back to my original point. NO JJprise in this game not needed, not wanted.
And it's also accurate that you've proved a dozen times over that you do not care about other's logic, and that you will cling to your delusional opinion, even though it is clearly wrong.
And I find it sickening that you claim to know how Gene Roddenberry would have responded were he alive. You disrespect him by doing so
and you consider these new fans that only came to trek because of JJ to be true fan? They are less desirable than Voyager fans, they have no idea what Star Trek really is, they couldn't tell me the diffrence between a hypo spray and an isolinear chip.
Being a true fan does not have barriers, sprok87.
If you like it, you are a fan, that much is obvious. But being a true fan means you will approach all source material (meaning JJ Trek and the newest movie) with an open mind, and give your opinion, because you are a fan. These new fans may not have liked or noticed ST before JJ Trek, but they loved the movie, and it got their interest in ST, so they apply because they're willing to give what came before a chance.
It's the same with us 'older' fans; we must be willing to give JJ Trek a chance, even if our ultimate opinion is 'we don't like it', 'could have been better', 'love it' etc. Claiming the movie should never have existed, is not canon, and other such arguments do not fall under open mind... and therefore exclude you from being a true fan.
As does claiming someone is not a true fan simply because their opinion is different.
Was named Trek17.
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
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And I doubt the JJ Enterprise will be on STO... that one is owned by JJ himself, the rest is by CBS? HBO? Some other company... I think the contract is STO can use any ship in any of the TV Series but must not use anything to do with the JJ Abrams franchise... I wonder if the new film will impact on STO at all...
I don't know, but yeah, we're done everything but laugh at him on these forums
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
at least the new enterprise looks like an actual federation starship, as opposed to the cheap hunk of plastic hanging on strings the original one was...
#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
This. I liked the visual and actor re-imaginings. The shakycam, the lens flare, the instant angst via dead parents... blech. They took a (somewhat) bright and shiny look at the future and turned it into generic 21st century fare.
I don't blame him for it, personally
Just my two cents on that.
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
Let us explore it... together. Each man hides a secret pain. It must be exposed and reckoned with. It must be dragged from the darkness and forced into the light. Share your pain. Share your pain with me... and gain strength from the sharing.
Lol... even today going over a roadhump I cry out 'we cannae take another hit Captain!'
Fortunately I do it when I am on my own so noone thinks I'm mad
For The Last Time It"s Not Canon
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
I'm not delusional. and face it 50% if that like JJ Wreck the rest don't with a passion
And I don't deny that some people don't like JJ Trek, but it's not an even split between like/dislike. The newer fans who never really saw or liked ST before pretty much loved it, and older fans are simply mixed. And mixed could mean ANYTHING, in terms of percentage splits over like/dislike for the movie.
Ie, it's generally impossibe for one guy to claim how split the base is based purely on those who don't like it (who are by definition more vocal than those who like it, so it's uneven in the first place)
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
But it is canon. As demonstrated by all official canon sources. Including Memory Alpha.
You're wrong. As usual.
It's ok if you don't like the movie. But it is canon. It's a Star Trek movie. It's the future of the franchise. There's a sequel on the way.
You still haven't provided a reason. Again again, just because some people don't like it does not make a difference.
"Critics who say that the optimistic utopia Star Trek depicted is now outmoded forget the cultural context that gave birth to it: Star Trek was not a manifestation of optimism when optimism was easy. Star Trek declared a hope for a future that nobody stuck in the present could believe in. For all our struggles today, we haven’t outgrown the need for stories like Star Trek. We need tales of optimism, of heroes, of courage and goodness now as much as we’ve ever needed them."
-Thomas Marrone
You line of reasoning just made Spock Prime Non-Canon.
He now dwells in the Star Trek universe created by the 2009 movie.
How is this possible if that movie is Not Canon??
You can deny it all you want, but the two new movies ARE canon...
They just exist in another universe.
And that's coming from a 'True' Trek fan who has been one since September 8th, 1966.
I Was A Trekkie Before It Was Cool ... Sept. 8th, 1966 ... Not To Mention Before Most Folks Around Here Were Born!
Forever a STO Veteran-Minion
I Was A Trekkie Before It Was Cool ... Sept. 8th, 1966 ... Not To Mention Before Most Folks Around Here Were Born!
Forever a STO Veteran-Minion
that's not fact, that's your opinion, and since you don't own star trek, it really isn't worth jack
#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
The same argument could, of course, be made for the Galaxy-X class, but since it's from a future alternate timeline (from the standpoint of the most recent series ending, Voyager ended in 2378, and the most recent movie, Nemesis took place in 2379, the Galaxy-X design was seen in the future alternate timeline of 2395), not a past one, the Galaxy-X class could still come to exist by the time of STO in 2409 (which states the Galaxy-X entered production in 2390).
The universe has a wonderful sense of humor. The trick is learning how to take a joke.
and you consider these new fans that only came to trek because of JJ to be true fan? They are less desirable than Voyager fans, they have no idea what Star Trek really is, they couldn't tell me the diffrence between a hypo spray and an isolinear chip.
That's not how canon works.
That's not true at all.
Nobody's desperate to make a new trek work. You're desperate to debunk official canon, but that's about all that's happening here.
You are. And if Gene Rodenberry and his wife were still alive they would have stopped the direction JJ Wreck went.
Interesting fact: Majel Barrett-Roddenberry actually recorded a few lines as the Computer in the new Trek movie before she died. You can clearly hear her when Chekov is talking to his console before making a ship-wide announcement.
So, not only was she alive, she had read the script and participated in the movie.
Leonard Nimoy, who refused to participate in such Star Trek projects as Star Trek: Generations, not only approved of the script, but appeared in the movie as Spock.
Are you saying you know better than Leonard Nimoy?
More likely Gene would have asked for his cut, and Majel would have demanded the role of ship's computer.
I think you mean Star Trek? Your little nickname is cute but doesn't accurately describe the movie. It's called Star Trek.
And as posts above demonstrate, once again, you're wrong.
Also at this point, this thread should probably be moved to Ten Forward. It stopped being about a Federation Shipyards topic a dozen or so pages ago.
It's accurate about how I feel about it. but let's go back to my original point. NO JJprise in this game not needed, not wanted.
How you feel about what? Lost? Alias?
And I find it sickening that you claim to know how Gene Roddenberry would have responded were he alive. You disrespect him by doing so Being a true fan does not have barriers, sprok87.
If you like it, you are a fan, that much is obvious. But being a true fan means you will approach all source material (meaning JJ Trek and the newest movie) with an open mind, and give your opinion, because you are a fan. These new fans may not have liked or noticed ST before JJ Trek, but they loved the movie, and it got their interest in ST, so they apply because they're willing to give what came before a chance.
It's the same with us 'older' fans; we must be willing to give JJ Trek a chance, even if our ultimate opinion is 'we don't like it', 'could have been better', 'love it' etc. Claiming the movie should never have existed, is not canon, and other such arguments do not fall under open mind... and therefore exclude you from being a true fan.
As does claiming someone is not a true fan simply because their opinion is different.
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.