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litchy74litchy74 Member Posts: 417 Arc User
edited October 2013 in Klingon Discussion
Playing kerrat last night just getting my fed 10 had this one fed player in a lifer ship which I killed 6 times, pretty much one shooting on the alpha decloak.:):)

He/she starts saying that I'm the problem with the game and the klinks make it no fun.
At which point I pm him/her saying its nothing personal but the ship he's in has weak shield and he's/she's slow to react to my bop doing an alpha strike on him.:P

Just wondering if anyone else is getting stick from the Feds in kerrat when they go boom!
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  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    My most recent "lulz" in Ker'rat involved the following.

    Typical restart spawn camp.
    Typical change in numbers that breaks up the spawn camp.*
    Finding a Vesta that was involved in part of that camp engaged with the Borg. Ahem, decloaking and delivering the fatal blow.
    The Zone complaint about KDF not wanting to fight 1v1 from the guy in the Vesta. Yes, this same guy that was moments ago participating in the restart spawn camp.
    Finding the guy in the Vesta once again engaged with the Borg. Decloaking, killing the Borg, giving him a moment to heal, and then killing him.
    Additional complaints in Zone about KDF.
    The guy mindlessly attacking me at the KDF spawn because I've ticked him off, dying over and over to the other KDF that were probably scratching their heads while I just flew around in circles, and getting one of the fastest Kill10's I've ever gotten.

    *Funny how that tends to work. Are you a Fed getting slaughtered by KDF? Wait 15 minutes. Are you a KDF getting slaughtered by Feds? Wait 15 minutes. Some of the best play in there, imho, takes place during the moments between those shifts where things are almost equal in there.
  • oldkhemaraaoldkhemaraa Member Posts: 1,039 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    it's just BOP jelousy...


    You see, your average fed see's a Bird of Prey and thier mind goes "wow, what a kool looking ship.." then they realize that the BOP is not a fed ship.

    and when they realize that a well handled BOP is every bit as deadly as it is visually stunning, with... they turn into 9 year olds having a bad day. 9 year olds, with overly indulgent parents. Unfortunatly Daddy Stahl, and Moma "Geko" Rivera just refuse to make the BOP any easier of an opponent for them. They have to dig into the data base of exploits cheats and hacks to win.. or learn the games combat systems... and... how to fight thier ships. And they have to learn the ships...

    When ever I feel I need to be entertained I go read the fed ship forums and such with the constant threads of This ship is OP, or that ship is OP, buff/nerf some particular class of ship, and my favorite "WHAT SHIP IS BEST?" (now personally I have a thing for KDF battlecruisers, but thats just me.)

    Eventually they either learn, or go find another game to play.

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  • captmack001captmack001 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    I do miss the good old days a mate of mine had a science ship that would deal massive damage with feedback pulse (pre F2P) and survive the fight even with 3-4 Bops alpha striking him. Why because he had a great ship and looked after his build for those who remember him his name was (jacklehop).

    feds moan all the time its what they do but here is alittle tip.

    when you load into kerrat.

    Turn the camera around and wait for the strike then pop a few shield buffs and the fight goes on after all thats not hard to follow now is it
  • jadz3jadz3 Member Posts: 107 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    To be honest... I play both Fed and KDF. I've found that for PVP MOST of the time... KDF is more fun due to the built in cloaks and battle cloaks. However... I do quite well on my Fed Engineer(my true main) and have no problems with Alpha strikes taking me out because I know how to play my setup and how to get the most out of it. Here's a tip for Fed players...
    Science ships aren't weak... don't think they are... you're absolutely wrong. Subspace Jumper console is a GODSEND for PVP. Keeping Tactical Team up at all times is also a must... someone decloaks and alpha strikes you? They have to get through your absurb shield capacity x4 thanks to Tac Team. If you get hit REAL hard... Subspace Jump and Photonic Shockwave and Tractor Beam.... you just ended their Alpha Strike quite well. Birds of Prey don't have any true advantage persay when you know how to build your ship properly. I highly recommend doing some research about abilities and how they can be used both offensively and defensively. One last tip: Energy Siphon isn't so much a power drain from your enemy... but a power buff for you... use it like so.
  • bitemepwebitemepwe Member Posts: 6,760 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Yes, many feds still do not believe Ker'rat is a PvP zone.

    Yet its our fault when they come in expecting PvE and get attacked.

    Its all moot now as plans to change Ker'rat are in the works and I bet dollars to darseks its to make the zone less PvP oriented due to fed outcry of us mean old klingons doing exactly what we are suppossed to do in the zone to begin with given its design and function.

    I guess Kirk, Picard,Sisko and Janeway used the last of Star Fleets strong back bone up before sto came to be.
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  • carlosvzla28carlosvzla28 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Im a FED, and i love fighting in kerrat, i think is better than organized pvp games, because you don't know how many enemies are there, to bad we can win dil doing kerrat just kdf do
  • anazondaanazonda Member Posts: 8,399 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    litchy74 wrote: »
    Playing kerrat last night just getting my fed 10 had this one fed player in a lifer ship which I killed 6 times, pretty much one shooting on the alpha decloak.:):)

    Whats a "Lifership"? To my knowlege there is no ship restricted to lifers.

    He/she starts saying that I'm the problem with the game and the klinks make it no fun.
    At which point I pm him/her saying its nothing personal but the ship he's in has weak shield and he's/she's slow to react to my bop doing an alpha strike on him.:P

    Poor playstyle, but thats really not your fault.

    Just wondering if anyone else is getting stick from the Feds in kerrat when they go boom!

    Getting stick?

    And before you go ahead and gloat too much, you might want to dig around the forums a little... There are significantly more KDF than Feds crying over Ker'rat.
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  • section31agent#8506 section31agent Member Posts: 665 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Well let's be honest about a few things here.... as a Fed Sci ship captain of an Intrepid

    1st- Klingons have superior ships with better turning radius and the battle cloak

    2nd-Klingons can now push a button eliminating ALL space hazards.

    3rd-Klingons have OP equipment like the plasmonic leech and the aceton assimilator ect...

    4th- They nerfed scramble sensors so that the opponent can continue to fire on you instead of firing at his/her own faction.

    5th-With the last patch Engineering Team 1 now clears Viral Matrix 3 so there is no way to placate a Klingon ship or thier massive spawns

    The game has changed so much in the last year and there is no balance anymore so go ahead and yuk it up 19 klinks shooting a poor Fed.
  • bubblygumsworthbubblygumsworth Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2013
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    Finding the guy in the Vesta once again engaged with the Borg. Decloaking, killing the Borg, giving him a moment to heal, and then killing him.

    I like it when they're flashing green with no shields because they're too stupid to know that hazard emitters clear the borg shield neutralisers.

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  • bitemepwebitemepwe Member Posts: 6,760 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    arnthebard wrote: »
    Well let's be honest about a few things here.... as a Fed Sci ship captain of an Intrepid

    1st- Klingons have superior ships with better turning radius and the battle cloak

    2nd-Klingons can now push a button eliminating ALL space hazards.

    3rd-Klingons have OP equipment like the plasmonic leech and the aceton assimilator ect...

    4th- They nerfed scramble sensors so that the opponent can continue to fire on you instead of firing at his/her own faction.

    5th-With the last patch Engineering Team 1 now clears Viral Matrix 3 so there is no way to placate a Klingon ship or thier massive spawns

    The game has changed so much in the last year and there is no balance anymore so go ahead and yuk it up 19 klinks shooting a poor Fed.
    I actually dont find this to be very Honest at all. Very prejudiced though.
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  • cliftona91cliftona91 Member Posts: 254
    edited February 2013
    arnthebard wrote: »
    Well let's be honest about a few things here.... as a Fed Sci ship captain of an Intrepid

    1st- Klingons have superior ships with better turning radius and the battle cloak

    2nd-Klingons can now push a button eliminating ALL space hazards.

    3rd-Klingons have OP equipment like the plasmonic leech and the aceton assimilator ect...

    4th- They nerfed scramble sensors so that the opponent can continue to fire on you instead of firing at his/her own faction.

    5th-With the last patch Engineering Team 1 now clears Viral Matrix 3 so there is no way to placate a Klingon ship or thier massive spawns

    The game has changed so much in the last year and there is no balance anymore so go ahead and yuk it up 19 klinks shooting a poor Fed.
    1. Except the KDF has no true Science ship that doesn't require Zen. And our Carriers and the Bortasqu suck at turning as much as Fed cruisers.

    Also, the Battle Cloak is not an OP device. In fact, cloaking while under fire is extremely dangerous. Also, there are many ways to disable the cloak.

    2. What button are you talking about?

    3. Plasmonic Leech- Not OP, in fact it is resisted by Power Insulators and the drain can be easily countered
    Aceton Assimilator- Shoot it with torpedoes, end of Aceton Assimilators.

    Other equipment is rarely seen or used. I prefer a Nadeon Detonator over a Bio Neural Warhead

    It is a poor warrior that relies on these equipment instead of his own skills.
    4. All Science abilities were nerfed to near uselessness.

    5. Not every BOP carries an Engineering Team.
  • magnumstarmagnumstar Member Posts: 269 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Two of my most memorable space battles were in Kerrat, and even though I mainly play the red side these battles happened on those rare times I played my Fed toon. These battles weren't memorable because I won or got more kills, I got my tail kicked in both of them, but for the fun I had fighting them.

    1st Battle - I was in a Cruiser and my teammate had a Sci vessel. We were matched against 3 BoP's. The BoP's would swoop in decloak tear up our shields then be gone before we even knew what happened. We would fight them off time and again, if one of us went down the other quickly followed. Sometimes we would kill one or two of them and drive the others away sometimes we would be space debris. It was a hell of a lot of fun and I enjoyed watching the skills of those BoP pilots.

    2nd Battle - I was in an escort by myself and matched against 2 BoP's, it was one of those times in Kerrat when there weren't hardly anyone there. I flew around never knowing where they were at and from what direction they would come from, it gave it a horror movie quality with the same jumpiness involved when they would decloak and shred me. Every once in awhile I would catch one but most of the time I spent respawning which like true warriros they allowed me to do without dishonoring themselves by spawn killing. I believe this is the most fun I ever had in Kerrat and I lost badly.

    To those who whine about Kerrat, its not always about winning but the fun of the battle.
  • bloctoadbloctoad Member Posts: 660 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    arnthebard wrote: »
    The game has changed so much in the last year and there is no balance anymore so go ahead and yuk it up 19 klinks shooting a poor Fed.

    The funniest part about this is he expects us to believe he actually saw 19 Klingons anywhere. Visit Kerrat almost any time of day and you're likely to see at least half a dozen Federation ships, not Klingon ships, parked at the spawn point. But if you insist on firing upon me at the respawn point, I'll insist on ramming your AFK buddies and killing them with a warp core breach. So go ahead and help me send your friends to Grethor.
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  • ursusmorologusursusmorologus Member Posts: 5,328 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Problem as I see it is the game sends low-level players there for the missions, and then they get attacked by groups of fleet-equpped KDF gank squads who only come out when the fed player is trying to get away from a squad of borg ships. Certainly some problems with the player base there, newbs shouldnt go there, and fleet-level sociopaths shouldn't camp the newbs. Ultimately its a poor design though, sending low-levels into the maw of misfits with top-line gear is really bad design.
  • magnumstarmagnumstar Member Posts: 269 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Problem as I see it is the game sends low-level players there for the missions, and then they get attacked by groups of fleet-equpped KDF gank squads who only come out when the fed player is trying to get away from a squad of borg ships. Certainly some problems with the player base there, newbs shouldnt go there, and fleet-level sociopaths shouldn't camp the newbs. Ultimately its a poor design though, sending low-levels into the maw of misfits with top-line gear is really bad design.

    I agree Kerrat needs to be for lvl 50's only. But it isnt only the KDF who does the sort of thing youre talking about. I recall several times playing my Klink at the Capt lvl and being spawned killed over and over by Fed admirals camped at the respawn point. Make sure you use both hands when pointing fingers so you can include both factions.
  • section31agent#8506 section31agent Member Posts: 665 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    bloctoad wrote: »
    The funniest part about this is he expects us to believe he actually saw 19 Klingons anywhere. Visit Kerrat almost any time of day and you're likely to see at least half a dozen Federation ships, not Klingon ships, parked at the spawn point. But if you insist on firing upon me at the respawn point, I'll insist on ramming your AFK buddies and killing them with a warp core breach. So go ahead and help me send your friends to Grethor.

    Gee let me list the names for you and you go look them up...

    CryoX
    Kaine
    Red Laurence
    Misdemeanor
    Emo Joe
    Tunguska
    Eiybot
    Stardagger [currently banned]
    Grim Death
    Sibok
    Dirty Old Man
    Hannibal
    Nightwish
    Ombji
    Kempek
    Deathstroke
    Baltazar
    Djinn
    Motar

    Most of these are with tthe ISC fleet and yes they do meet in Kerrat for 1-vs-1 sessions to test equipment. My toon "Grimsey" is one of thier favorite targets. So yes I do know what is like to face 19 klinks.
  • ursusmorologusursusmorologus Member Posts: 5,328 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    magnumstar wrote: »
    I agree Kerrat needs to be for lvl 50's only. But it isnt only the KDF who does the sort of thing youre talking about. I recall several times playing my Klink at the Capt lvl and being spawned killed over and over by Fed admirals camped at the respawn point. Make sure you use both hands when pointing fingers so you can include both factions.
    Yes I agree except there is a big difference that Fed cant cloak and hide until your KDF low-level is engaged with 2 spheres and a cube. Also the KDF trainee can cloak before restart and will respawn hidden, which makes them immune to startup ganks.
  • shpoksshpoks Member Posts: 6,967 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    anazonda wrote: »
    And before you go ahead and gloat too much, you might want to dig around the forums a little... There are significantly more KDF than Feds crying over Ker'rat.

    I haven't actually gone that much through forums, so I might be wrong, but I suspect the KDF ones mostly whined about respawn farming.

    When I think of that, I had the funniest encounter few weeks ago with respawn farming. I pulled in the Tactical Bortasqu' and there were four ships farming, but i had the lol :D moment as 2 were straight infront of me. Needles to say those 2 were instantly slapped on the Cube and not long after the other two were sent there to scrape them off. I think they expected a BoP and had "Oh ****!" moment. :D
    Then one of them was quite persistent of buzzing around me and trying to blow me up 1 on 1 without the others (they were caught up fighting other KDF) with a Star Cruiser. :)

    Anyway my point was that because the Fed. starts at level 1, and therefore has much more players, you can expect their number of unexperienced or ignorant players to be larger. And those who don't understand the game mechanics are the ones that usually whine.
    Remember, every one of us was a noob in his/hers own time. :P
    But this is nothing we should generalize around, I for one had my share of lolz with the Galaxy of all ships against confused & inexperienced KDF. Comes back to the person, not the whole faction. And even that person can learn and then it's payback time.

    P.S. I believe the other player ment the 1000 day veteran ship (Chimaera/Peghgu') as it is for now only availible for veterans & lifetime subscribers.
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  • pokersmith1pokersmith1 Member Posts: 2 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    I invite all the QQ'ers to play kdf and see for themselves first hand, how easy it really is.:rolleyes: I bet most of you are farmers and you would like nothing better than to be left alone so that you can farm the borgs in peace for some easy EC.
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  • bubblygumsworthbubblygumsworth Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    I invite all the QQ'ers to play kdf and see for themselves first hand, how easy it really is.:rolleyes: I bet most of you are farmers and you would like nothing better than to be left alone so that you can farm the borgs in peace for some easy EC.

    Gotta get dem purplez. I love it when you're sitting on a feds TRIBBLE, adding additional windows with disruptor fire and they still wont target you as they need to get all the borg repair hulk kills.
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  • bubblygumsworthbubblygumsworth Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    arnthebard wrote: »
    Gee let me list the names for you and you go look them up...

    CryoX
    Kaine
    Red Laurence
    Misdemeanor
    Emo Joe
    Tunguska
    Eiybot
    Stardagger [currently banned]
    Grim Death
    Sibok
    Dirty Old Man
    Hannibal
    Nightwish
    Ombji
    Kempek
    Deathstroke
    Baltazar
    Djinn
    Motar

    Most of these are with tthe ISC fleet and yes they do meet in Kerrat for 1-vs-1 sessions to test equipment. My toon "Grimsey" is one of thier favorite targets. So yes I do know what is like to face 19 klinks.

    Also I dont know if I'm kind of annoyed for not being on that list or a little relieved that I'm not haha :P
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  • bitemepwebitemepwe Member Posts: 6,760 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Yes I agree except there is a big difference that Fed cant cloak and hide until your KDF low-level is engaged with 2 spheres and a cube. Also the KDF trainee can cloak before restart and will respawn hidden, which makes them immune to startup ganks.

    Except for that Defiant, right?
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  • captainbaileycaptainbailey Member Posts: 356 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Yes I agree except there is a big difference that Fed cant cloak and hide until your KDF low-level is engaged with 2 spheres and a cube. Also the KDF trainee can cloak before restart and will respawn hidden, which makes them immune to startup ganks.

    thats one of my big issues with that place. i understand that is a point of a place but there should be some respect from players that if you see someone fighting the borg that you dont wait untill they are hurt the most by the borg then decloak and finish the job the borg couldnt that is just dishonorable.
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  • alopenalopen Member Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Meh, there are plenty of places in STO for carebears to grind/lvl their characters. Kerrat is like the one place where your not 100% safe. I spend most of my time attacking whoever I see. When I don't see anything I'll go after borg stuff. Its not like there is a penalty for dying. I can't loot your dead corpse like some other games. I do this with both KDF and Fed characters. I think of Kerrat as a good place to make sure my toon is equipped correctly by being able to respond to unexpected events like getting jumped by BoPs. I'm also usually waiting in queue for pvp action and if you want to complain about gankers, then feds need need to queue up in pvp. :D

    Now I try not to attack anyone in spawn until they move aggresively after the initial furball. In fact I try to move away from the intial furball. But I'm not perfect, I have moments;) Also if you pulled a cube solo thats your problem, not mine. Its not my job to keep the carebears safe and cozy.
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