That's because their all at home, crossing their fingers this will all blow over by Monday. Only we, as the people supporting this game (( I say supporting like life support because god knows we're the only thing keeping it alive.)) we need to not let up and make our voices heard.
Arbitrarily changing things with no notice is bad business. Trying to sneak things past your customer base, again with hardly any notice, is bad business. No response to customer problems is bad business. Yet Cryptics done all this and more in this patch alone. Then tried to make it all good behind a wall of text that answered zero questions, made 180 degree policy changes, then alienated even more of their player base who are in small fleets. Lets not go into all the gobbltygook that's been put out there over the last year.
I feel like their basically telling us 'Tough s**t' and 'F**k off'
Cryptic being cryptic is fail. Maybe a bit more transparency is needed.
Congrats on 100 pages for this thread alone (the third one on this topic, to my knowledge). My suggestions for an effective solution are as follows:
1) Dilithium is a time-based currency. Everything takes time, everything should give *some* dilithium. You get 5 dilithium for doing a duty officer assignment, all PvP, STFs and Foundry missions give dilithium, and Stahl has said they're open to adding dilithium to regular episodes. Omega Marks and Romulan Marks can already be converted to dilithium so what's missing from this picture? The Fleet Events! If I'm going to run Colony Invasion, Starbase Fleet Alert, Starbase Incursion, etc. at least give me some dilithium too so I don't have to do something else on top of that. That'll also help with Cryptic getting the dilithium metrics up -- though if they were truly worried about that they probably wouldn't have single fleet projects that cost millions of dilithium (enjoy the 2 million Tier 3 embassy upgrade and 3.6 million Tier 5 starbase upgrade).
2) Fleet Marks are needed in greater abundance. Not in May, right now. A fleet trying to get to Tier 5 will need something along the lines of at least 2,880 fleet marks per day on average. All fleet mark missions in game should be boosted by 50%, with a 'fleet week' once a month that doubles the rewards. The Officer of the Watch daily should be boosted from 5 fleet marks to 50 in order to give people a reason to come to their starbases that they've done over a dozen limited time projects for. Unlike the Foundry's IOR it is a daily (not repeatable every 30 minutes) and can *only* be done by people in a fleet (or at least, invited to a fleet holding). Also, fleet actions should always give fleet marks -- not just the daily.
These are relatively simple fixes and there is no reason it can't be added within the next patch.
This has been said over 100 times, in several threads for several reasons...Lets start by I have played only one game in the past few months, logging in well over 1,000 hours, I have spent more then $50.00 on this game, and the honest reason for sticking around, is the fact that I have spent actual money on this. You keep botching the system, changing things, creating "bugs" then ignoring them to go on to botching some other part of the game, this game is NOT fun anymore, ever since the 3 yr event has been over you guys really screwed it up for us...great way to start out your new year...I doubt i will be sticking around for you to take any more of my money, see I didn't mind spending money on something when I got something in return (fun) in fact to be honest, cutting grass with a pocket knife is more entertaining then grinding for hours for worthless garbage.
If by the end of the month the fun has not returned, I'll be uninstalling it and turning away from cryptic/perfect world. because really, whats the point?
AND I will be urging others to do the same to avoid feeling ripped off.
I'm surprised they haven't tried to smooth this over with a President's Day Weekend sale.
Not even an attempt at appeasement, just a flat out burrying of heads in the sand.
How the Devs see Star Trek, apparently:
Star Trek: The Original Grind
Star Trek: The Next Grind
Star Trek: Deep Space Grind
Star Trek: Voyage to the Grind
Well, you could say this thread took a shorter time to reach 100 pages (less than 48 hours for this, almost a month for your link.)
That has to be some kind of record for these forums :P
How the Devs see Star Trek, apparently:
Star Trek: The Original Grind
Star Trek: The Next Grind
Star Trek: Deep Space Grind
Star Trek: Voyage to the Grind
How the Devs see Star Trek, apparently:
Star Trek: The Original Grind
Star Trek: The Next Grind
Star Trek: Deep Space Grind
Star Trek: Voyage to the Grind
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You keep botching the system, changing things, creating "bugs" then ignoring them to go on to botching some other part of the game, this game is NOT fun anymore, ever since the 3 yr event has been over you guys really screwed it up for us...great way to start out your new year...
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This has been Cryptics "politics" since STO went F2P and even before, if i remember correctly.
What bothers me most is how inconsequent they do things, starting with STOs ship mechanics where ships only look like Star Trek ships but work completely different, going to constant Fleet Mark changes at the Foundry daily and other dailys not even working. I don't want to start thinking about pressing Star Trek ships into a Stone/paper/scissor mechanic....
Abilities getting constantly changed which can suddenly make your ship build completely useless from one day to another, in the worst case.
Apparently they want to give us more opportunities to get Dilithium, fine. But don't they remember they installed a 8000 Dilithium cap per day a long time ago?
I wouldn't care for it if they wouldn't decrease the amount of Fleet Marks per mission at the same time. Everyone i know (including myself) constantly needs more Fleet marks, not Dilithium, at least not that much.
Sometimes i think they don't even care to play the game by themselves from time to time, i know if it where a Star Wars of BSG game they would be much more enthusiastic and careful about it...
I too have the impression everytime they release a new patch, the game fails to work on some other area, if it's some technical thing or game mechanics.
Things like that don't raise confidence about their competence when it comes to making games in general. I wonder why companies keep giving them their IPs to make games, don't they even bother to look what they do with their product?
Really, i just don't get it...
Honestly my confidence in them is at a new low point.
Sorry if this has gotten off topic a bit.
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- (TNG) Picard, quoting Judge Aaron Satie
My sentiment is one of no compromise on this one. Undo this patch.
Restore FM to the foundry missions.
At least 960 Dilithium for 15 min missions.
This "patch" which is meant to improve the game has decreased the dilithium/minute (not that dilithium is a big deal); and removed an enjoyable means to earn fleet marks without doing the same missions over and over and over again - or for those who may have preferred the Battleship Rumble - so what if they did that mission over and over and over again - maybe they were doing something like....having fun?
STO has become decidedly less fun for my small fleet since S7. One person in my fleet simply responded with: "So... They don't want us doing Officer Reports anymore? Okie Doke. "
As a well-paying customer here I will not spend one more dime on STO until the FM is restored and 960 dilithium is received for 15 minutes of Foundry missions.
No compromise is acceptable; I don't care if they add FM somewhere else; I don't care about some shriveled-dried carrot they'll hang in front of us.
You want me to spend money here again; then ADD content instead of taking it away.
There are Four Lights... say no to ARCFleet: 1st Order of Role-Players' Guild - gaming together since 2004
Reality is they have a monoploy - there is nowhere else to get your Star Trek fix at present.
Indeed!! I'm geting my fix right after i post ths:D
About Foundry FM problem: I get my FM from doffs, (pls dont take that away or nerf it:(), so i realy dont care about taking FM from foundry.
But i do agree incresing FM for fleet events and actions!! 17FM for 20min in Fleet Alert!?
Ranting will stop and everyone will be lining up to give them their money!:eek::P
Well not everyone is a 12 year old child that wait for mom and dad to give them money so everyone dont have alot of money to give PWE. That is part of the problem of this game you have to work your butt of to get anything in this game and you have to hard work on a job too. Then they want to only give you a small amount of reward (fleet marks) for your time like in starbase fleet alert most you can get is 22 FM with rep bonus, also you have to have 4 more peole that dont suck to get that. If you dont take a stand you will never be worth anything.
Reality is they have a monoploy - there is nowhere else to get your Star Trek fix at present.
Dad: Son you have a problem you're addicted to Star Trek.
Me: What about you DAD!!! I found those tribbles under your bed...and I saw the pictures with the ears, That's why MOM left you for that guy dressed as a Wookiee. I got it From YOU!!!:cool:
Personally, I think Fleet Marks should apply as a reward for any event that requres five players or more. To encourage teaming, I would like to see bonus Fleet Marks as rewards to any 5 person team that complets any mission in the game with. Have it work with the following formula or something similar.
1 FM for every solo mission done.
2 FM's for every 2 person run of any mission.
5 FM's for every 5 person run of any mission.
It's easy to fill in the blank there between 2 and 5. The only requirement for these bonuses would be is your toon would have to be in a fleet.
You can rest assured that Cryptic will not make any comment on this issue in the immediate future. First off, long weekend. But secondly and perhaps most importantly, this isn't the first time they've upset the player base. Generally, their damage control strategy seems to be to go silent, knowing that eventually the unwashed masses will turn on each other, blaming player sub-groups for causing this. That's already happening so their strategy is working. In a few days Cryptic will offer their assistance with a half-hearted solution and players will accept it because, well Cryptic didn't cause this! By then, in our minds, it was the fault of PvPers, RPers, Foundry creators, Klingon players, basically ANYONE besides Cryptic. It's basic Business Ethics without morals, yet we blindly still support them.
One could argue the Kumari reveal and Ask Cryptic were attempts at diverting attention.
You mean apart from the fact that the Ask Cryptic was scheduled to go out yesterday and we get a screenshot each and every Friday of new and upcoming content?
Also, Please remember when reading their figures that their Cryptics numbers, not the actual numbers players are actually putting up.
Cryptic comes to the conclusion you don't have a life and therefore can grind for 8 to 10 hours a day to get all of your available Omega Marks, Romulan Marks. Fleet Marks, EC and Lobis that you get from lockboxes opened with keys purchased with the EC you spent all day grinding for.
They most likely include accounts that have been abandoned now that the grind has hit WoW-like proportions.
The real pain of this is that I have been waiting for the better part of an hour Klingon side for a mission to team with people for fleet marks. My fleet members are not always on. The foundry mark could have been lowered and accomplish slowing small fleet growth. Eliminating them, means when i am on at slow times of the day, i am unable to get fleet marks. this is not really acceptable as alot of the good gear/ships is tied up in the Starbase.
The real pain of this is that I have been waiting for the better part of an hour Klingon side for a mission to team with people for fleet marks. My fleet members are not always on. The foundry mark could have been lowered and accomplish slowing small fleet growth. Eliminating them, means when i am on at slow times of the day, i am unable to get fleet marks. this is not really acceptable as alot of the good gear/ships is tied up in the Starbase.
If you play KDF, even during rush hour its a pain to get a full group together.
But the numbers don't lie right? KDF players are making to many FMs..XD
Until they finally add Fleet Marks to PVP missions, it's always going to be laughable. Fleets PVP together, and yet don't get FM for doing it? They fight in Kerrat against the Borg but don't get Omega Marks or Nanos?
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That's because their all at home, crossing their fingers this will all blow over by Monday. Only we, as the people supporting this game (( I say supporting like life support because god knows we're the only thing keeping it alive.)) we need to not let up and make our voices heard.
Arbitrarily changing things with no notice is bad business. Trying to sneak things past your customer base, again with hardly any notice, is bad business. No response to customer problems is bad business. Yet Cryptics done all this and more in this patch alone. Then tried to make it all good behind a wall of text that answered zero questions, made 180 degree policy changes, then alienated even more of their player base who are in small fleets. Lets not go into all the gobbltygook that's been put out there over the last year.
I feel like their basically telling us 'Tough s**t' and 'F**k off'
Cryptic being cryptic is fail. Maybe a bit more transparency is needed.
Most definitely!!!!
pfft! Even better if your them then. Three days to cross your fingers and hope it blows over...
If by the end of the month the fun has not returned, I'll be uninstalling it and turning away from cryptic/perfect world. because really, whats the point?
AND I will be urging others to do the same to avoid feeling ripped off.
Not even an attempt at appeasement, just a flat out burrying of heads in the sand.
Star Trek: The Original Grind
Star Trek: The Next Grind
Star Trek: Deep Space Grind
Star Trek: Voyage to the Grind
..and happy 101 pages anniversary!
This thread has to have broke some kind of record for STO forums.
Ever the pragmatist..:P
Nope.
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=145017&highlight=capulet
Not everything you see on the internet is true - Abraham Lincoln
Occidere populo et effercio confractus
Well, you could say this thread took a shorter time to reach 100 pages (less than 48 hours for this, almost a month for your link.)
That has to be some kind of record for these forums :P
Star Trek: The Original Grind
Star Trek: The Next Grind
Star Trek: Deep Space Grind
Star Trek: Voyage to the Grind
hmmm maybe. harder to search for that.
Not everything you see on the internet is true - Abraham Lincoln
Occidere populo et effercio confractus
Ranting will stop and everyone will be lining up to give them their money!:eek::P
Sad thing is you are probably right.
Star Trek: The Original Grind
Star Trek: The Next Grind
Star Trek: Deep Space Grind
Star Trek: Voyage to the Grind
Reality is they have a monoploy - there is nowhere else to get your Star Trek fix at present.
What bothers me most is how inconsequent they do things, starting with STOs ship mechanics where ships only look like Star Trek ships but work completely different, going to constant Fleet Mark changes at the Foundry daily and other dailys not even working. I don't want to start thinking about pressing Star Trek ships into a Stone/paper/scissor mechanic....
Abilities getting constantly changed which can suddenly make your ship build completely useless from one day to another, in the worst case.
Apparently they want to give us more opportunities to get Dilithium, fine. But don't they remember they installed a 8000 Dilithium cap per day a long time ago?
I wouldn't care for it if they wouldn't decrease the amount of Fleet Marks per mission at the same time. Everyone i know (including myself) constantly needs more Fleet marks, not Dilithium, at least not that much.
Sometimes i think they don't even care to play the game by themselves from time to time, i know if it where a Star Wars of BSG game they would be much more enthusiastic and careful about it...
I too have the impression everytime they release a new patch, the game fails to work on some other area, if it's some technical thing or game mechanics.
Things like that don't raise confidence about their competence when it comes to making games in general. I wonder why companies keep giving them their IPs to make games, don't they even bother to look what they do with their product?
Really, i just don't get it...
Honestly my confidence in them is at a new low point.
Sorry if this has gotten off topic a bit.
Restore FM to the foundry missions.
At least 960 Dilithium for 15 min missions.
This "patch" which is meant to improve the game has decreased the dilithium/minute (not that dilithium is a big deal); and removed an enjoyable means to earn fleet marks without doing the same missions over and over and over again - or for those who may have preferred the Battleship Rumble - so what if they did that mission over and over and over again - maybe they were doing something like....having fun?
STO has become decidedly less fun for my small fleet since S7. One person in my fleet simply responded with: "So... They don't want us doing Officer Reports anymore? Okie Doke. "
As a well-paying customer here I will not spend one more dime on STO until the FM is restored and 960 dilithium is received for 15 minutes of Foundry missions.
No compromise is acceptable; I don't care if they add FM somewhere else; I don't care about some shriveled-dried carrot they'll hang in front of us.
You want me to spend money here again; then ADD content instead of taking it away.
Fleet: 1st Order of Role-Players' Guild - gaming together since 2004
Indeed!! I'm geting my fix right after i post ths:D
About Foundry FM problem: I get my FM from doffs, (pls dont take that away or nerf it:(), so i realy dont care about taking FM from foundry.
But i do agree incresing FM for fleet events and actions!! 17FM for 20min in Fleet Alert!?
Well not everyone is a 12 year old child that wait for mom and dad to give them money so everyone dont have alot of money to give PWE. That is part of the problem of this game you have to work your butt of to get anything in this game and you have to hard work on a job too. Then they want to only give you a small amount of reward (fleet marks) for your time like in starbase fleet alert most you can get is 22 FM with rep bonus, also you have to have 4 more peole that dont suck to get that. If you dont take a stand you will never be worth anything.
Dad: Son you have a problem you're addicted to Star Trek.
Me: What about you DAD!!! I found those tribbles under your bed...and I saw the pictures with the ears, That's why MOM left you for that guy dressed as a Wookiee. I got it From YOU!!!:cool:
1 FM for every solo mission done.
2 FM's for every 2 person run of any mission.
5 FM's for every 5 person run of any mission.
It's easy to fill in the blank there between 2 and 5. The only requirement for these bonuses would be is your toon would have to be in a fleet.
One could argue the Kumari reveal and Ask Cryptic were attempts at diverting attention.
I actualy enjoy poking dragons, never tried to poke a sleeping dragon though.....probably easier......
Not everything you see on the internet is true - Abraham Lincoln
Occidere populo et effercio confractus
You mean apart from the fact that the Ask Cryptic was scheduled to go out yesterday and we get a screenshot each and every Friday of new and upcoming content?
Cryptic comes to the conclusion you don't have a life and therefore can grind for 8 to 10 hours a day to get all of your available Omega Marks, Romulan Marks. Fleet Marks, EC and Lobis that you get from lockboxes opened with keys purchased with the EC you spent all day grinding for.
They most likely include accounts that have been abandoned now that the grind has hit WoW-like proportions.
If you play KDF, even during rush hour its a pain to get a full group together.
But the numbers don't lie right? KDF players are making to many FMs..XD
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2010: This is Cryptic PvP. Please hold the line, your call is very important to us...