It's completely sensible. The Gal is a multi mission ship so universal works, and everything else stays the same. It solves THE biggest issue of the Gal R
It doesn't solve anything, all it does is making the Galaxy an almost uber-cruiser that is able to mimic the Boff layout of any other crusier in the game. That's not a solution and I'm not sure many people here really like to make the Galaxy that dominant.
My Fleet Gal-x Dread does a lot of damage. Not sure if you are specifically talking about the galaxy support or any galaxy class ship.
But the gal-x dreade has 4 tac consoles and lots of engineer boff slots. Its great. You have enough tac slots to equip TT1, FAW1 and APB1. Thats all you need, you just make up for it with some more offensive eng skills such as DEM 3 and EPTW 2 or 3. Make it aux 2 bat as well and with 4 tac consoles, it tears things up. I always use it with both its special consoles, for the extra abilities and also for the 2 set bonus, which makes the ship a lot tougher.
Its my favourite heavy cruiser style ship. The avenger is my favourite offensive style.
thread used to be partially about the dread too, but wile its falls short of what we would have liked, its a good enough ship now. we are only talking about the R these days
I think leave the ship like it is but exclude the saucer sepertion so its mobility stays low
leave the console set up like this and the movement rate at 6
2 Tac
5 eng
3 science
Give it 3 commanders
Cmdr Engineering
Cmdr Tactical
Cmdr Science
Doesnt seem op to me but it would be multi mission now and have a lot of fun possibiltys
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It doesn't solve anything, all it does is making the Galaxy an almost uber-cruiser that is able to mimic the Boff layout of any other crusier in the game. That's not a solution and I'm not sure many people here really like to make the Galaxy that dominant.
yet you look at the patrol Retro they just released and that sucker has a universal BO slot. People do want the freedom to really customize there ship. The Gal R fits that perfectly. It's a sjhip that needs a serious overhual and among the complaints is it's too much eng Bo layout. And right now the KDF have an ENTIRE LINE of such ships why not give the feds just ONE ship that is like that. It would sol;ve the Gal R's problem and make the ship truly viable again.
yet you look at the patrol Retro they just released and that sucker has a universal BO slot. People do want the freedom to really customize there ship. The Gal R fits that perfectly. It's a sjhip that needs a serious overhual and among the complaints is it's too much eng Bo layout. And right now the KDF have an ENTIRE LINE of such ships why not give the feds just ONE ship that is like that. It would sol;ve the Gal R's problem and make the ship truly viable again.
make it breen raider style, COM eng and the rest universal. duel LTCs or not, would be a great cruiser, there's even canon to support it being extremely versatile. it was set up the polor oposite in yesterday's enterprise, then you see it in the rest of tng.
thats why ive said befor the station swap tech it should have a COM eng, LTC uni, LT uni, LT sci, ENS sci. it can be really tac heavy, exclude it, or be fairly mixed
make it breen raider style, COM eng and the rest universal. duel LTCs or not, would be a great cruiser, there's even canon to support it being extremely versatile. it was set up the polor oposite in yesterday's enterprise, then you see it in the rest of tng.
thats why ive said befor the station swap tech it should have a COM eng, LTC uni, LT uni, LT sci, ENS sci. it can be really tac heavy, exclude it, or be fairly mixed
The problem remains that the game cannot grant so many tricks to the "old pony". I'm with you canonical for the most part since the whole way STO is set up is inappropriate for a Star Trek game. However, in STO lore the Star Cruiser and the Oddyssey are supposed to be "better" in a certain way (The Star Cruiser is an odd child, it should really be the base version of the galaxy, basically, but whatever).
I think the separation with a swapping LTC from sci to tac would be a great way to deal with the issue, since the separation already grants +15 weapon energy.
But at the end of the day the galaxy "reboot" happened, they are done with it. So meh.
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
yet you look at the patrol Retro they just released and that sucker has a universal BO slot. People do want the freedom to really customize there ship. The Gal R fits that perfectly. It's a sjhip that needs a serious overhual and among the complaints is it's too much eng Bo layout. And right now the KDF have an ENTIRE LINE of such ships why not give the feds just ONE ship that is like that. It would sol;ve the Gal R's problem and make the ship truly viable again.
You're missing the point I'm making.
The KDF has an entire line of such ships. That's just the thing - they're all alike. They're all with universal Boff slots. That's why there are only 3 T5 raiders. They don't go into each other's turf because they're all equiped with all unversal Boff slots.
If you give the Galaxy-R all universal setup, it will walk into the turf of more than half of the cruisers, that's the issue. I very much prefer ddis's Boff switch on separation idea or just equpping the Galaxy with the D'Deridex's Boff setup, just with the ens. being an engineer.
I'm not sure what's your point in bringing up the PER, there have been ships with Lt.Cmdr Uni for two years now.
thread used to be partially about the dread too, but wile its falls short of what we would have liked, its a good enough ship now. we are only talking about the R these days
True but still think they should have made it more tactical boff wise and still don't get why it was dumbed down to two out of four of the new cruiser command abilities.
make it breen raider style, COM eng and the rest universal. duel LTCs or not, would be a great cruiser, there's even canon to support it being extremely versatile. it was set up the polor oposite in yesterday's enterprise, then you see it in the rest of tng.
thats why ive said befor the station swap tech it should have a COM eng, LTC uni, LT uni, LT sci, ENS sci. it can be really tac heavy, exclude it, or be fairly mixed
Wish it had the Rom's double D setup on boffs and consoles. Love to have a Fed version of that setup to tool around in.
The new patrol escort also shows that "fleet" versions of refits just make more sense.
"Fleet" ships don't have a in-universe reason to be there, since every ship is part of a fleet, basically. But they are probably the most advanced form of starship.
A "refit" is more advanced than a "retrofit" or "base" version.
A "retrofit" is more advanced than a base version.
So, a "fleet retrofit" doesn't make much sense in the first place. We should have "base ships" -> "retrofits" -> "refits" -> "fleet refits".
So it would be logical to remove the fleet retrofit and replace it with a fleet refit with a separation station swap.
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
The new patrol escort also shows that "fleet" versions of refits just make more sense.
"Fleet" ships don't have a in-universe reason to be there, since every ship is part of a fleet, basically. But they are probably the most advanced form of starship.
A "refit" is more advanced than a "retrofit" or "base" version.
A "retrofit" is more advanced than a base version.
So, a "fleet retrofit" doesn't make much sense in the first place. We should have "base ships" -> "retrofits" -> "refits" -> "fleet refits".
So it would be logical to remove the fleet retrofit and replace it with a fleet refit with a separation station swap.
A refit of a tier IV ship would be a tier IV ship. "Retrofit" is merely the word that's used for a ship that has a higher tier than its basic counterpart.
You're missing the point I'm making.
The KDF has an entire line of such ships. That's just the thing - they're all alike. They're all with universal Boff slots. That's why there are only 3 T5 raiders. They don't go into each other's turf because they're all equiped with all unversal Boff slots.
If you give the Galaxy-R all universal setup, it will walk into the turf of more than half of the cruisers, that's the issue. I very much prefer ddis's Boff switch on separation idea or just equpping the Galaxy with the D'Deridex's Boff setup, just with the ens. being an engineer.
I'm not sure what's your point in bringing up the PER, there have been ships with Lt.Cmdr Uni for two years now.
the cruisers all do that already. how many Star cruiser to you actually see in game anymore? I occasionally fly mine. But again people want the Gal R truly viable again. i have made mine work but i understand the issues with her. I settle for one of the big slots universal but still prefer all universal. Again i'm asking for ONE FREAKING ship on fed side to be like that and a Zen one to boot. most of the KDF BOP line is free.
A refit of a tier IV ship would be a tier IV ship. "Retrofit" is merely the word that's used for a ship that has a higher tier than its basic counterpart.
In game terms that's right. "In universe" however, a refit of a class should not be inferior to a retrofit. What reason is there for a Galaxy retrofit (which means the original Galaxy ship with new components) to be superior to a Galaxy refit (aka Venture Type, which is basically a brand new ship with technology that is more advanced than what can retroactively made work with old frames).
Thats why I think all "fleet" grade vessels should be based on the modern refit. It wouldn't change anything, really, but make more sense. Take the fleet escort retrofit for example. Why is the retrofit, again, better than the new refit type? That's what I meant (skins should of course remain interchangeable as usual)
I personally would like to see fleet grade ships just bear the original name, aka "Fleet Exploration Cruiser" or "Fleet escort" and they should feature at least a semi-universal boff layout so you can recreate either the original/retrofit or the refit at fleet grade. For instance, the Galaxy: base/retro is engineer heavy, refit is science heavy. If you own both, the fleet grade could offer a semi-universal LTC slot so you can choose wether you want to play the science or engineering heavy variant. The same should work for all the other refits as well.
I personally like the separation swap better, yet I feel this is a mechanic that's waaaay to complicated to implement, ever, accorgding to cryptic
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
\I personally like the separation swap better, yet I feel this is a mechanic that's waaaay to complicated to implement, ever, accorgding to cryptic
Don't we already have a swap for the Dyson ships? Is it really that hard to implement it for the Galaxy, or the MVAE?
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Honestly I think most problems can be easily solved by making all ships more universal or have a respec type option for BO and Console slots. Why they lock certain ships into certain roles is beyond me. Give every ship a starter build and simply add a respec option to use any other console and bo build for that ship class (that you own) and the problem is solved for all. Have your favorite ship and build in one. Seems like a great seller to me.
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Dont think anyone here really want to hurt or take away another players choice or ruin their build as much as they want their fan favorite ship to preform as well as what is consider top ships of the class.
I support the idea of the respec boff option, mostly for those 20$ cstore ships.
I find this line of replies sadly hilarious. We put a lot of work into the massive list of fixes/changes above, and ya'll are hung up on the ability to skip our content. =p
Don't we already have a swap for the Dyson ships? Is it really that hard to implement it for the Galaxy, or the MVAE?
We have, but don't you know Cryptic's claims that it is such an insane amount of work and resources that is by no means tolerable to simply have someone polish the old models and hardpoints on those ships? Can you imagine the even more insane amount of money and employees it would take to change MECHANICS, especially if they just went completely out of their way to carefully "reboot" the whole Galaxy family? :P
I would love to be wrong in this case, but I don't see this happening
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
I wish Cryptic would just fix the graphics on the Gal-X. That is literally the only reason I'm not in one right now. It still has its trademark exceedingly ugly asymmetry.
It's one of those things where you think:
They are actually selling this???
It's like buying a toaster that can toast bread on one side but can't toast it on the other; it's madness.
I really don't even know why BOff seating swapping is being discussed with ships with parts that seperate.
It's simple, the Fleet GX could have gotten what the Fleet Tor'Kaht and Regent got...decent Tac Seating without the alternate BOff seating gimmick that the Dyson Destroyers have...but, it didn't get that, and Cryptic, being Cryptic, dropped the ball and they're not going to do anything to fix it.
Just like when they released the new Patrol Escort Refit and Fleet Patrol Escort Refit, those that already had the original Fleet Patrol Escort got the shaft. "You already paid 2000z for the 4 modules, but now you have to pay 2500z more for the updated replacement and another 2000z for a skin and a special console, TROLOLOLOL GIVE US MONEY!!"
Yeah, no.
Might as well give up hope with this lost cause. They already did a "reboot" (TROLOLOLOL) for the Galaxy-class variants, they're not going to do anything else with them.
yet you look at the patrol Retro they just released and that sucker has a universal BO slot. People do want the freedom to really customize there ship. The Gal R fits that perfectly. It's a sjhip that needs a serious overhual and among the complaints is it's too much eng Bo layout. And right now the KDF have an ENTIRE LINE of such ships why not give the feds just ONE ship that is like that. It would sol;ve the Gal R's problem and make the ship truly viable again.
I dont think it needs a serious overhaul. Like you said, Galaxy R is an eng BO layout. So, it is more of playstyle where players who prefer to play in tac or sci layout want to play it on a Galaxy R. Not everyone wants to play it in a tac heavy or sci heavy layout. So, universal Boffs is a good idea.
As long as it doesnt affect those players who bought Galaxy R for its Eng heavy Boff layout and console layout, I am all for it since people who bought it as it is will not lose their money/ waste their toon, consoles and Boffs bought for the Galaxy R heavy Eng layout.
Might as well give up hope with this lost cause. They already did a "reboot" (TROLOLOLOL) for the Galaxy-class variants, they're not going to do anything else with them.
this thread aint going nowere. at this point all we can do is annoy them to death, and that's what they deserve after giving us the finger with the TROLOLOLOL reboot
I dont think it needs a serious overhaul. Like you said, Galaxy R is an eng BO layout. So, it is more of playstyle where players who prefer to play in tac or sci layout want to play it on a Galaxy R. Not everyone wants to play it in a tac heavy or sci heavy layout. So, universal Boffs is a good idea.
As long as it doesnt affect those players who bought Galaxy R for its Eng heavy Boff layout and console layout, I am all for it since people who bought it as it is will not lose their money/ waste their toon, consoles and Boffs bought for the Galaxy R heavy Eng layout.
The console layout remains the same. and those you got it fior the eng BO's the universal allows them to still run that while others can try other ideas
this thread aint going nowere. at this point all we can do is annoy them to death, and that's what they deserve after giving us the finger with the TROLOLOLOL reboot
Well, that's one way of looking at it.
I'm personally a fan of the Galaxy, but the whole "reboot"...sour taste.
i finally anderstand why the gal x can't have a lt commander tact, at least i think it is link.
this have nothing to do with the avenger, exelsior and regent, but with a ship that my mind as discarded as a possible competitor for some reasons.
the odyssey!!
a lt commander tact + 4 tact console would be something that could be almost as powerfull as a tact ody since they have the same turn rate and almost the same inertia ( the gal x is better on that one )
i didn't look at it in full detail, but with auxtobat or not, the odyssey will win but at survivability cost.
in others word, it is too close, and i think cryptic don't want the galaxy x to outperformed the odyssey in one way or the other, who is supposed to be the new flagship of the federation.
avenger, exelsior and regent can outgun the odyssey because they are supposed to be the real tactical cruiser.
but in the "whale" categorie, the odyssey must remained the dps king.
but i still didn't anderstand why the galaxy retrofit can't have a ensign universal.
i finally anderstand why the gal x can't have a lt commander tact, at least i think it is link.
this have nothing to do with the avenger, exelsior and regent, but with a ship that my mind as discarded as a possible competitor for some reasons.
the odyssey!!
a lt commander tact + 4 tact console would be something that could be almost as powerfull as a tact ody since they have the same turn rate and almost the same inertia ( the gal x is better on that one )
i didn't look at it in full detail, but with auxtobat or not, the odyssey will win but at survivability cost.
in others word, it is too close, and i think cryptic don't want the galaxy x to outperformed the odyssey in one way or the other, who is supposed to be the new flagship of the federation.
avenger, exelsior and regent can outgun the odyssey because they are supposed to be the real tactical cruiser.
but in the "whale" categorie, the odyssey must remained the dps king.
but i still didn't anderstand why the galaxy retrofit can't have a ensign universal.
I dont think iits that they dont want it competing with other ships. I think it is a general lack of caring cause they dont like the design.
The way they did the Galaxy-X kinda proves to me that they really didn't look at the thread it had about it. We asked for alot of things and hanger was one that most said they didn't want. They didn't pay attention cause they don't care for these ship designs. Or they fix the actual visuals on the G-X and G-R.
They stuck the G-X into its own little grouping then did nothing to actually make it being called a dreadnaught or make the fact it only gets 2 cruiser commands make any sense. It they would have given it 5 forward weapons and decent tactical seating to make it atleast come close to being like scimitar dreadnaught then I could understand. But adding hangers really showed they don't seem to want to listen to ppl on these forums anymore and to me that is hugely disappointing. This was one of the few games that I saw devs interacting and taking advice from player base now it seems they are like all others and simply Ignore it.
i finally anderstand why the gal x can't have a lt commander tact, at least i think it is link.
this have nothing to do with the avenger, exelsior and regent, but with a ship that my mind as discarded as a possible competitor for some reasons.
the odyssey!!
a lt commander tact + 4 tact console would be something that could be almost as powerfull as a tact ody since they have the same turn rate and almost the same inertia ( the gal x is better on that one )
i didn't look at it in full detail, but with auxtobat or not, the odyssey will win but at survivability cost.
in others word, it is too close, and i think cryptic don't want the galaxy x to outperformed the odyssey in one way or the other, who is supposed to be the new flagship of the federation.
avenger, exelsior and regent can outgun the odyssey because they are supposed to be the real tactical cruiser.
but in the "whale" categorie, the odyssey must remained the dps king.
but i still didn't anderstand why the galaxy retrofit can't have a ensign universal.
great logic. oh the ody is just about the wost fed tac cruiser, but we still have to make galaxy related even worse then that. even the supper dupper galaxy!
they are dead set on galaxy related being insufferably eng heavy to a critical fault, and being second to every other ship it should easily trump. because they have apparently chosen to disregard canon because they hate the ship, and hate its fans even more. not fixing the most aggregates art errors ever to appear on any released ship, going on 4 years, is just the 100th thing to confirm exactly that.
how is it possible 1 of the 3 art guys couldn't spit shine a few chunks of geo strait, right now especially in this dead zone before the expansion. im not sure what this confirms exactly, that they are too busy creating a new faction's ships, or as usual they just plain hate the galaxy.
i finally anderstand why the gal x can't have a lt commander tact, at least i think it is link.
this have nothing to do with the avenger, exelsior and regent, but with a ship that my mind as discarded as a possible competitor for some reasons.
the odyssey!!
a lt commander tact + 4 tact console would be something that could be almost as powerfull as a tact ody since they have the same turn rate and almost the same inertia ( the gal x is better on that one )
i didn't look at it in full detail, but with auxtobat or not, the odyssey will win but at survivability cost.
in others word, it is too close, and i think cryptic don't want the galaxy x to outperformed the odyssey in one way or the other, who is supposed to be the new flagship of the federation.
avenger, exelsior and regent can outgun the odyssey because they are supposed to be the real tactical cruiser.
but in the "whale" categorie, the odyssey must remained the dps king.
but i still didn't anderstand why the galaxy retrofit can't have a ensign universal.
I dont know where you are getting your info that Odyssey is better in dps than Fleet Galaxy X (aka Dreadnough Cruiser)
Fleet Galaxy X already outshines dps of any Odyssey version. Fleet Galaxy X is the best if not one of the best in Alpha strike on the right build. Odyssey cannot do that. Odyssey is just flexible in Boffs. Thus, flexible in players playstyle or players builds.
If you have lower dps in your Fleet Galaxy X vs a tac/sci odyssey on the same toon, you are making a lot of mistakes on your Fleet Galaxy X.
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It doesn't solve anything, all it does is making the Galaxy an almost uber-cruiser that is able to mimic the Boff layout of any other crusier in the game. That's not a solution and I'm not sure many people here really like to make the Galaxy that dominant.
thread used to be partially about the dread too, but wile its falls short of what we would have liked, its a good enough ship now. we are only talking about the R these days
leave the console set up like this and the movement rate at 6
2 Tac
5 eng
3 science
Give it 3 commanders
Cmdr Engineering
Cmdr Tactical
Cmdr Science
Doesnt seem op to me but it would be multi mission now and have a lot of fun possibiltys
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yet you look at the patrol Retro they just released and that sucker has a universal BO slot. People do want the freedom to really customize there ship. The Gal R fits that perfectly. It's a sjhip that needs a serious overhual and among the complaints is it's too much eng Bo layout. And right now the KDF have an ENTIRE LINE of such ships why not give the feds just ONE ship that is like that. It would sol;ve the Gal R's problem and make the ship truly viable again.
make it breen raider style, COM eng and the rest universal. duel LTCs or not, would be a great cruiser, there's even canon to support it being extremely versatile. it was set up the polor oposite in yesterday's enterprise, then you see it in the rest of tng.
thats why ive said befor the station swap tech it should have a COM eng, LTC uni, LT uni, LT sci, ENS sci. it can be really tac heavy, exclude it, or be fairly mixed
The problem remains that the game cannot grant so many tricks to the "old pony". I'm with you canonical for the most part since the whole way STO is set up is inappropriate for a Star Trek game. However, in STO lore the Star Cruiser and the Oddyssey are supposed to be "better" in a certain way (The Star Cruiser is an odd child, it should really be the base version of the galaxy, basically, but whatever).
I think the separation with a swapping LTC from sci to tac would be a great way to deal with the issue, since the separation already grants +15 weapon energy.
But at the end of the day the galaxy "reboot" happened, they are done with it. So meh.
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You're missing the point I'm making.
The KDF has an entire line of such ships. That's just the thing - they're all alike. They're all with universal Boff slots. That's why there are only 3 T5 raiders. They don't go into each other's turf because they're all equiped with all unversal Boff slots.
If you give the Galaxy-R all universal setup, it will walk into the turf of more than half of the cruisers, that's the issue. I very much prefer ddis's Boff switch on separation idea or just equpping the Galaxy with the D'Deridex's Boff setup, just with the ens. being an engineer.
I'm not sure what's your point in bringing up the PER, there have been ships with Lt.Cmdr Uni for two years now.
True but still think they should have made it more tactical boff wise and still don't get why it was dumbed down to two out of four of the new cruiser command abilities.
Wish it had the Rom's double D setup on boffs and consoles. Love to have a Fed version of that setup to tool around in.
"Fleet" ships don't have a in-universe reason to be there, since every ship is part of a fleet, basically. But they are probably the most advanced form of starship.
A "refit" is more advanced than a "retrofit" or "base" version.
A "retrofit" is more advanced than a base version.
So, a "fleet retrofit" doesn't make much sense in the first place. We should have "base ships" -> "retrofits" -> "refits" -> "fleet refits".
So it would be logical to remove the fleet retrofit and replace it with a fleet refit with a separation station swap.
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the cruisers all do that already. how many Star cruiser to you actually see in game anymore? I occasionally fly mine. But again people want the Gal R truly viable again. i have made mine work but i understand the issues with her. I settle for one of the big slots universal but still prefer all universal. Again i'm asking for ONE FREAKING ship on fed side to be like that and a Zen one to boot. most of the KDF BOP line is free.
In game terms that's right. "In universe" however, a refit of a class should not be inferior to a retrofit. What reason is there for a Galaxy retrofit (which means the original Galaxy ship with new components) to be superior to a Galaxy refit (aka Venture Type, which is basically a brand new ship with technology that is more advanced than what can retroactively made work with old frames).
Thats why I think all "fleet" grade vessels should be based on the modern refit. It wouldn't change anything, really, but make more sense. Take the fleet escort retrofit for example. Why is the retrofit, again, better than the new refit type? That's what I meant
I personally would like to see fleet grade ships just bear the original name, aka "Fleet Exploration Cruiser" or "Fleet escort" and they should feature at least a semi-universal boff layout so you can recreate either the original/retrofit or the refit at fleet grade. For instance, the Galaxy: base/retro is engineer heavy, refit is science heavy. If you own both, the fleet grade could offer a semi-universal LTC slot so you can choose wether you want to play the science or engineering heavy variant. The same should work for all the other refits as well.
I personally like the separation swap better, yet I feel this is a mechanic that's waaaay to complicated to implement, ever, accorgding to cryptic
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Don't we already have a swap for the Dyson ships? Is it really that hard to implement it for the Galaxy, or the MVAE?
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Also, wouldn't the Odyssey and Haakona get something like that?
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I support the idea of the respec boff option, mostly for those 20$ cstore ships.
This thread is still going?
ikr....everyday i see it, its normally on page one of Get Daily/New Posts lol
Why shouldn't it? We won't suddenly stop discussing the topics we enjoy because X or Y happened.
We have, but don't you know Cryptic's claims that it is such an insane amount of work and resources that is by no means tolerable to simply have someone polish the old models and hardpoints on those ships? Can you imagine the even more insane amount of money and employees it would take to change MECHANICS, especially if they just went completely out of their way to carefully "reboot" the whole Galaxy family?
I would love to be wrong in this case, but I don't see this happening
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It's one of those things where you think:
They are actually selling this???
It's like buying a toaster that can toast bread on one side but can't toast it on the other; it's madness.
hmm hard to say as the oddy and the haakona have uni LTC seats so would it then make the uni a COM? the the eng com an eng LTC?
It's simple, the Fleet GX could have gotten what the Fleet Tor'Kaht and Regent got...decent Tac Seating without the alternate BOff seating gimmick that the Dyson Destroyers have...but, it didn't get that, and Cryptic, being Cryptic, dropped the ball and they're not going to do anything to fix it.
Just like when they released the new Patrol Escort Refit and Fleet Patrol Escort Refit, those that already had the original Fleet Patrol Escort got the shaft. "You already paid 2000z for the 4 modules, but now you have to pay 2500z more for the updated replacement and another 2000z for a skin and a special console, TROLOLOLOL GIVE US MONEY!!"
Yeah, no.
Might as well give up hope with this lost cause. They already did a "reboot" (TROLOLOLOL) for the Galaxy-class variants, they're not going to do anything else with them.
I dont think it needs a serious overhaul. Like you said, Galaxy R is an eng BO layout. So, it is more of playstyle where players who prefer to play in tac or sci layout want to play it on a Galaxy R. Not everyone wants to play it in a tac heavy or sci heavy layout. So, universal Boffs is a good idea.
As long as it doesnt affect those players who bought Galaxy R for its Eng heavy Boff layout and console layout, I am all for it since people who bought it as it is will not lose their money/ waste their toon, consoles and Boffs bought for the Galaxy R heavy Eng layout.
this thread aint going nowere. at this point all we can do is annoy them to death, and that's what they deserve after giving us the finger with the TROLOLOLOL reboot
The console layout remains the same. and those you got it fior the eng BO's the universal allows them to still run that while others can try other ideas
Well, that's one way of looking at it.
I'm personally a fan of the Galaxy, but the whole "reboot"...sour taste.
Carry on.
this have nothing to do with the avenger, exelsior and regent, but with a ship that my mind as discarded as a possible competitor for some reasons.
the odyssey!!
a lt commander tact + 4 tact console would be something that could be almost as powerfull as a tact ody since they have the same turn rate and almost the same inertia ( the gal x is better on that one )
i didn't look at it in full detail, but with auxtobat or not, the odyssey will win but at survivability cost.
in others word, it is too close, and i think cryptic don't want the galaxy x to outperformed the odyssey in one way or the other, who is supposed to be the new flagship of the federation.
avenger, exelsior and regent can outgun the odyssey because they are supposed to be the real tactical cruiser.
but in the "whale" categorie, the odyssey must remained the dps king.
but i still didn't anderstand why the galaxy retrofit can't have a ensign universal.
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=528931&page=271
I dont think iits that they dont want it competing with other ships. I think it is a general lack of caring cause they dont like the design.
The way they did the Galaxy-X kinda proves to me that they really didn't look at the thread it had about it. We asked for alot of things and hanger was one that most said they didn't want. They didn't pay attention cause they don't care for these ship designs. Or they fix the actual visuals on the G-X and G-R.
They stuck the G-X into its own little grouping then did nothing to actually make it being called a dreadnaught or make the fact it only gets 2 cruiser commands make any sense. It they would have given it 5 forward weapons and decent tactical seating to make it atleast come close to being like scimitar dreadnaught then I could understand. But adding hangers really showed they don't seem to want to listen to ppl on these forums anymore and to me that is hugely disappointing. This was one of the few games that I saw devs interacting and taking advice from player base now it seems they are like all others and simply Ignore it.
great logic. oh the ody is just about the wost fed tac cruiser, but we still have to make galaxy related even worse then that. even the supper dupper galaxy!
they are dead set on galaxy related being insufferably eng heavy to a critical fault, and being second to every other ship it should easily trump. because they have apparently chosen to disregard canon because they hate the ship, and hate its fans even more. not fixing the most aggregates art errors ever to appear on any released ship, going on 4 years, is just the 100th thing to confirm exactly that.
how is it possible 1 of the 3 art guys couldn't spit shine a few chunks of geo strait, right now especially in this dead zone before the expansion. im not sure what this confirms exactly, that they are too busy creating a new faction's ships, or as usual they just plain hate the galaxy.
I dont know where you are getting your info that Odyssey is better in dps than Fleet Galaxy X (aka Dreadnough Cruiser)
Fleet Galaxy X already outshines dps of any Odyssey version. Fleet Galaxy X is the best if not one of the best in Alpha strike on the right build. Odyssey cannot do that. Odyssey is just flexible in Boffs. Thus, flexible in players playstyle or players builds.
If you have lower dps in your Fleet Galaxy X vs a tac/sci odyssey on the same toon, you are making a lot of mistakes on your Fleet Galaxy X.