its things like this patrol refit that sort of set a precedent on left field fixes to bad or obsolete ships, that give me just the tiniest amount of hope for some refit hotfix to the galaxy R. especially in the days of double LTC stations being the new normal :rolleyes:
I agree
A Galaxy with a turn rate of 6 consoles like 3/4/4 and the boff layout like this new escort is what a lot of folks want
I bet it would outsell the escort as well
2 Tac boff options are so boring it makes you want to puke
Jellico....Engineer ground.....Da'val Romulan space Sci
Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
JJ-Verse will never be Canon or considered Lore...It will always be JJ-Verse
Jellico....Engineer ground.....Da'val Romulan space Sci
Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
JJ-Verse will never be Canon or considered Lore...It will always be JJ-Verse
in the spirit of the patrol refit station setup, presenting the galaxy retrorefit!
COM eng LTC sci LTC uni LT tac
and when separated
COM eng LT sci LTC uni LTC tac
4/3/3 consoles
and we all played happily ever after
And then this thread became filled with positive energy, a thread of joy and fun where Galaxy Capains discuss their endeavors and organize Galaxy teams for STFs and praise the devs, for a job well done!
And I'm also inclined to say: "and then we all woke up". Sorry for that.
I like the proposal. And the new escort thingy shows us that Cryptic CAN and WILL just remove old ships. So why not kick the current fleet Galaxy-R out of the game, introduce the advanced exploration cruiser refit based on the venture type (needs Gal-R for the Gal skin) with mechanics like DDIS described them and make a fleet version based on that. Sounds good?
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
Why would they need to change the focus of the Galaxy R.
It was made to be Eng console/ENg boff based ship not a DPS ship or SCI/Tac ship. The DPS version of the Galaxy is the Dreadnought Cruiser. If you want a Sci support cruiser, there is the Odyssey/Support/star cruiser to choose from.
There is already 4 tac console of Galaxy which is the Fleet Dreadnought. I dont know why people still complain about the Galaxy when they already got a 4 tac console Galaxy version.
What happens now with those who bought both the Fleet Galaxy R and Galaxy R for their Eng consoles? It would be unfair for them since they have limited options for the ENG fed ship, when Tac and Sci players have more options.
Not everyone wants a DPS ship. There are more 5k dps and below build/players there than 10k and above dps players.
If anyone is flying the Fleet Galaxy R/Galaxy R like a Assault Cruiser/Dreadnought/Avenger or an escort/sci ship/sci support cruiser, then the player is at fault. The logic is the same as forcing a Risian corvette hull tank like an Obelisk or a Voth Bulwark and complaining that the Risian corvette does not hull tank like the Obelisk/Bulwark.
Why would they need to change the focus of the Galaxy R.
It was made to be Eng console/ENg boff based ship not a DPS ship or SCI/Tac ship. The DPS version of the Galaxy is the Dreadnought Cruiser. If you want a Sci support cruiser, there is the Odyssey/Support/star cruiser to choose from.
There is already 4 tac console of Galaxy which is the Fleet Dreadnought. I dont know why people still complain about the Galaxy when they already got a 4 tac console Galaxy version.
What happens now with those who bought both the Fleet Galaxy R and Galaxy R for their Eng consoles? It would be unfair for them since they have limited options for the ENG fed ship, when Tac and Sci players have more options.
Not everyone wants a DPS ship. There are more 5k dps and below build/players there than 10k and above dps players.
If anyone is flying the Fleet Galaxy R/Galaxy R like a Assault Cruiser/Dreadnought/Avenger or an escort/sci ship/sci support cruiser, then the player is at fault. The logic is the same as forcing a Risian corvette hull tank like an Obelisk or a Voth Bulwark and complaining that the Risian corvette does not hull tank like the Obelisk/Bulwark.
Because with the release of the original Explorer Refit, Cryptic gave a sci-heavy layout to one of it's variants. This option is not available anymore at endgame. But I want to play this ship at endgame, not the eng-heavy version. This alone is one reason to offer it - it's not "our" fault that even Cryptic decided that their original ideas were bad (this is true to all refits of the "big three")
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
The only way the Galaxy will be upgraded seriously is if the player base stop using it! That's right. If you have it switch to a different ship. Use the free Sovereign or any other cruiser. We know any other cruiser is better anyway. Let the Galaxy rust in your shipyard.
Guess it's time to make the Galaxy my main ship then. >:3
What the Galaxy needs is a Battle-Cloak. Then it will be loved by all.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
Why would they need to change the focus of the Galaxy R.
It was made to be Eng console/ENg boff based ship not a DPS ship or SCI/Tac ship. The DPS version of the Galaxy is the Dreadnought Cruiser. If you want a Sci support cruiser, there is the Odyssey/Support/star cruiser to choose from.
There is already 4 tac console of Galaxy which is the Fleet Dreadnought. I dont know why people still complain about the Galaxy when they already got a 4 tac console Galaxy version.
What happens now with those who bought both the Fleet Galaxy R and Galaxy R for their Eng consoles? It would be unfair for them since they have limited options for the ENG fed ship, when Tac and Sci players have more options.
Not everyone wants a DPS ship. There are more 5k dps and below build/players there than 10k and above dps players.
If anyone is flying the Fleet Galaxy R/Galaxy R like a Assault Cruiser/Dreadnought/Avenger or an escort/sci ship/sci support cruiser, then the player is at fault. The logic is the same as forcing a Risian corvette hull tank like an Obelisk or a Voth Bulwark and complaining that the Risian corvette does not hull tank like the Obelisk/Bulwark.
your implying the galaxy R currently has a focus. its station setup excludes the possibility of a focus, and leaves it the worst ship no mater what you try to use it for. worst DPS cruiser, and worst healing/tanking cruiser. this is why just any change would be a god send, it could optomize ever so in a sci or tac. just a modest thing like a universal ENS would make the ship twice as good, its that much of a trainwreck right now
your implying the galaxy R currently has a focus. its station setup excludes the possibility of a focus, and leaves it the worst ship no mater what you try to use it for. worst DPS cruiser, and worst healing/tanking cruiser. this is why just any change would be a god send, it could optomize ever so in a sci or tac. just a modest thing like a universal ENS would make the ship twice as good, its that much of a trainwreck right now
this is the problem-> Why would anyone use it for Sci and Tac maximization. Not every toon is sci or tac. It has decent healing boff slot but not in a way that Sci toons use it.
If you are looking for SCI boff cruiser, get a Star, support or Odyssey cruiser. If you are looking for a SCI healer, get a carrier or SCI ship. You very well know this is a ENG ship.
If you are looking for the DPS Galaxy version, you should have bought the fleet Galaxy dreadnought instead of the fleet Galaxy exploration.
In pvp, it is one of those ships that hard to die unless you dont know how to use this ship.
In pve, its dps is decent but not superb. 10k dps on this ship is a given with the right group setup. 10k dps is already boring for PVE elite. Why would I need anything faster?
If you dont know the role of this ship upto now, you dont know how to maximize and run this ship at all. Stick with those easier to build A2B cruiser, Tac escorts, SCi healer builds that can be taken from STO academy.
this is the problem-> Why would anyone use it for Sci and Tac maximization. Not every toon is sci or tac. It has decent healing boff slot but not in a way that Sci toons use it.
If you are looking for SCI boff cruiser, get a Star, support or Odyssey cruiser. If you are looking for a SCI healer, get a carrier or SCI ship. You very well know this is a ENG ship.
If you are looking for the DPS Galaxy version, you should have bought the fleet Galaxy dreadnought instead of the fleet Galaxy exploration.
In pvp, it is one of those ships that hard to die unless you dont know how to use this ship.
In pve, its dps is decent but not superb. 10k dps on this ship is a given with the right group setup. 10k dps is already boring for PVE elite. Why would I need anything faster?
If you dont know the role of this ship upto now, you dont know how to maximize and run this ship at all. Stick with those easier to build A2B cruiser, Tac escorts, SCi healer builds that can be taken from STO academy.
Most know how to best build it to be effective as it can be. The part most want fixed is simply put any role that can be done by the Galaxy R can be done by another ship and it can do it better.
Honestly I think most problems can be easily solved by making all ships more universal or have a respec type option for BO and Console slots. Why they lock certain ships into certain roles is beyond me. Give every ship a starter build and simply add a respec option to use any other console and bo build for that ship class (that you own) and the problem is solved for all. Have your favorite ship and build in one. Seems like a great seller to me.
Thoiugh if they aren't willing to go thru and do a revamped ship system making fleet ships like the Galaxy R have alternatives like the dyson sphere, romulan scimatar, odyssey, and other such so that you can pick tac science engineer or balanced builds or simply make more ships with universal lt com and ensigns.
Dont think anyone here really want to hurt or take away another players choice or ruin their build as much as they want their fan favorite ship to preform as well as what is consider top ships of the class.
this is the problem-> Why would anyone use it for Sci and Tac maximization. Not every toon is sci or tac. It has decent healing boff slot but not in a way that Sci toons use it.
If you are looking for SCI boff cruiser, get a Star, support or Odyssey cruiser. If you are looking for a SCI healer, get a carrier or SCI ship. You very well know this is a ENG ship.
If you are looking for the DPS Galaxy version, you should have bought the fleet Galaxy dreadnought instead of the fleet Galaxy exploration.
In pvp, it is one of those ships that hard to die unless you dont know how to use this ship.
In pve, its dps is decent but not superb. 10k dps on this ship is a given with the right group setup. 10k dps is already boring for PVE elite. Why would I need anything faster?
If you dont know the role of this ship upto now, you dont know how to maximize and run this ship at all. Stick with those easier to build A2B cruiser, Tac escorts, SCi healer builds that can be taken from STO academy.
it has no role, a side effect of the best heals being sci skills. there may be 3 captain types, there may be 3 station types, but there is only 2 roles a cruiser can take. sustained DPS or heal/tank. eng alone does not = tanking, not without sci. half the heals, the most powerful ones, are sci not eng. if that was not the case, pure eng would actually have a role, and sci would just be CC.
all there is is ether a tac or sci lean, strictly engineering creates a ship that is incomplete at a fundamental level. eng is the foundation of every ship, the most critical part. all ships cant do without it, but if eng is all you have you have dysfunction. it cant heal or tank well without plentiful sci, it cant deal damage without more plentiful tac. there is nothing else in between that. there is no way to use it right, because it has no role, and is terrible when you try to use it in roles that actually exist.
the solution to the galaxy R's problem is not fly something else, that fixes nothing. you still have 1 ship that's terrible, in a game were every single other ship is pretty good at least for a certain style of build. on principle, there should not be a ship in game that's in such a bad way, the fact that its such an iconic ship just makes it doubly disgraceful that its the way it is.
it has no role, a side effect of the best heals being sci skills. there may be 3 captain types, there may be 3 station types, but there is only 2 roles a cruiser can take. sustained DPS or heal/tank. eng alone does not = tanking, not without sci. half the heals, the most powerful ones, are sci not eng. if that was not the case, pure eng would actually have a role, and sci would just be CC.
all there is is ether a tac or sci lean, strictly engineering creates a ship that is incomplete at a fundamental level. eng is the foundation of every ship, the most critical part. all ships cant do without it, but if eng is all you have you have dysfunction. it cant heal or tank well without plentiful sci, it cant deal damage without more plentiful tac. there is nothing else in between that. there is no way to use it right, because it has no role, and is terrible when you try to use it in roles that actually exist.
the solution to the galaxy R's problem is not fly something else, that fixes nothing. you still have 1 ship that's terrible, in a game were every single other ship is pretty good at least for a certain style of build. on principle, there should not be a ship in game that's in such a bad way, the fact that its such an iconic ship just makes it doubly disgraceful that its the way it is.
well while do GOOD heals are science there is much in eng that can work but you are correct the Gal R is too eng dependdant so I return to the idea I have had for ages. Make Gal R a all universal BO Stations like the KDF BOP line. it would be more canon and solve the main issue of the Retro.
well while do GOOD heals are science there is much in eng that can work but you are correct the Gal R is too eng dependdant so I return to the idea I have had for ages. Make Gal R a all universal BO Stations like the KDF BOP line. it would be more canon and solve the main issue of the Retro.
That's not how this game works.
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
what do you mean by that. The KDF have a WHOLE line of ships with universal Bo slots. I'm only suggesting one ship. Here's the layout. Captain Gal remains as is, Gal Retro universal BO slots, maybe a bo slot rearrangement for Venture but with a fix on the missing windows, And Gal X gets the needed graphics fix and the Shotgun lance becomes AOE.
what do you mean by that. The KDF have a WHOLE line of ships with universal Bo slots. I'm only suggesting one ship. Here's the layout. Captain Gal remains as is, Gal Retro universal BO slots, maybe a bo slot rearrangement for Venture but with a fix on the missing windows, And Gal X gets the needed graphics fix and the Shotgun lance becomes AOE.
I meant that suggesting all universal BOFFs is not a sensible suggestion in terms of how the game works. Each ship has a distinct layout. If you want another layout you need to buy another ship. The only exception are the Raiders, because they are a unique class of ships which pays heavily for the universal layout. In order to have a cruiser with an all universal layout you'd need to reduce it's hull to around 20k in order to make it a remotely viable trade-off. Plus the fact that a gal with an all universal layout would end ship sales, since you'd never need to buy another ship because you could recreate every layout there is
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
My Fleet Gal-x Dread does a lot of damage. Not sure if you are specifically talking about the galaxy support or any galaxy class ship.
But the gal-x dreade has 4 tac consoles and lots of engineer boff slots. Its great. You have enough tac slots to equip TT1, FAW1 and APB1. Thats all you need, you just make up for it with some more offensive eng skills such as DEM 3 and EPTW 2 or 3. Make it aux 2 bat as well and with 4 tac consoles, it tears things up. I always use it with both its special consoles, for the extra abilities and also for the 2 set bonus, which makes the ship a lot tougher.
Its my favourite heavy cruiser style ship. The avenger is my favourite offensive style.
" Experience is a hard mistress, she gives the tests first, and the lessons after... "
I meant that suggesting all universal BOFFs is not a sensible suggestion in terms of how the game works. Each ship has a distinct layout. If you want another layout you need to buy another ship. The only exception are the Raiders, because they are a unique class of ships which pays heavily for the universal layout. In order to have a cruiser with an all universal layout you'd need to reduce it's hull to around 20k in order to make it a remotely viable trade-off. Plus the fact that a gal with an all universal layout would end ship sales, since you'd never need to buy another ship because you could recreate every layout there is
It's completely sensible. The Gal is a multi mission ship so universal works, and everything else stays the same. It solves THE biggest issue of the Gal R
I still really like the idea of switching BOFF seating in ships that have saucer/vector separation. Brilliant idea, and one of the few ideas I actually like from this thread.
It's completely sensible. The Gal is a multi mission ship so universal works, and everything else stays the same. It solves THE biggest issue of the Gal R
It doesn't solve anything, all it does is making the Galaxy an almost uber-cruiser that is able to mimic the Boff layout of any other crusier in the game. That's not a solution and I'm not sure many people here really like to make the Galaxy that dominant.
My Fleet Gal-x Dread does a lot of damage. Not sure if you are specifically talking about the galaxy support or any galaxy class ship.
But the gal-x dreade has 4 tac consoles and lots of engineer boff slots. Its great. You have enough tac slots to equip TT1, FAW1 and APB1. Thats all you need, you just make up for it with some more offensive eng skills such as DEM 3 and EPTW 2 or 3. Make it aux 2 bat as well and with 4 tac consoles, it tears things up. I always use it with both its special consoles, for the extra abilities and also for the 2 set bonus, which makes the ship a lot tougher.
Its my favourite heavy cruiser style ship. The avenger is my favourite offensive style.
thread used to be partially about the dread too, but wile its falls short of what we would have liked, its a good enough ship now. we are only talking about the R these days
I think leave the ship like it is but exclude the saucer sepertion so its mobility stays low
leave the console set up like this and the movement rate at 6
2 Tac
5 eng
3 science
Give it 3 commanders
Cmdr Engineering
Cmdr Tactical
Cmdr Science
Doesnt seem op to me but it would be multi mission now and have a lot of fun possibiltys
Jellico....Engineer ground.....Da'val Romulan space Sci
Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
JJ-Verse will never be Canon or considered Lore...It will always be JJ-Verse
It doesn't solve anything, all it does is making the Galaxy an almost uber-cruiser that is able to mimic the Boff layout of any other crusier in the game. That's not a solution and I'm not sure many people here really like to make the Galaxy that dominant.
yet you look at the patrol Retro they just released and that sucker has a universal BO slot. People do want the freedom to really customize there ship. The Gal R fits that perfectly. It's a sjhip that needs a serious overhual and among the complaints is it's too much eng Bo layout. And right now the KDF have an ENTIRE LINE of such ships why not give the feds just ONE ship that is like that. It would sol;ve the Gal R's problem and make the ship truly viable again.
yet you look at the patrol Retro they just released and that sucker has a universal BO slot. People do want the freedom to really customize there ship. The Gal R fits that perfectly. It's a sjhip that needs a serious overhual and among the complaints is it's too much eng Bo layout. And right now the KDF have an ENTIRE LINE of such ships why not give the feds just ONE ship that is like that. It would sol;ve the Gal R's problem and make the ship truly viable again.
make it breen raider style, COM eng and the rest universal. duel LTCs or not, would be a great cruiser, there's even canon to support it being extremely versatile. it was set up the polor oposite in yesterday's enterprise, then you see it in the rest of tng.
thats why ive said befor the station swap tech it should have a COM eng, LTC uni, LT uni, LT sci, ENS sci. it can be really tac heavy, exclude it, or be fairly mixed
make it breen raider style, COM eng and the rest universal. duel LTCs or not, would be a great cruiser, there's even canon to support it being extremely versatile. it was set up the polor oposite in yesterday's enterprise, then you see it in the rest of tng.
thats why ive said befor the station swap tech it should have a COM eng, LTC uni, LT uni, LT sci, ENS sci. it can be really tac heavy, exclude it, or be fairly mixed
The problem remains that the game cannot grant so many tricks to the "old pony". I'm with you canonical for the most part since the whole way STO is set up is inappropriate for a Star Trek game. However, in STO lore the Star Cruiser and the Oddyssey are supposed to be "better" in a certain way (The Star Cruiser is an odd child, it should really be the base version of the galaxy, basically, but whatever).
I think the separation with a swapping LTC from sci to tac would be a great way to deal with the issue, since the separation already grants +15 weapon energy.
But at the end of the day the galaxy "reboot" happened, they are done with it. So meh.
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
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I agree
A Galaxy with a turn rate of 6 consoles like 3/4/4 and the boff layout like this new escort is what a lot of folks want
I bet it would outsell the escort as well
2 Tac boff options are so boring it makes you want to puke
Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
JJ-Verse will never be Canon or considered Lore...It will always be JJ-Verse
COM eng
LTC sci
LTC uni
LT tac
and when separated
COM eng
LT sci
LTC uni
LTC tac
4/3/3 consoles
and we all played happily ever after
The Deflector shot..................must have
Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
JJ-Verse will never be Canon or considered Lore...It will always be JJ-Verse
And then this thread became filled with positive energy, a thread of joy and fun where Galaxy Capains discuss their endeavors and organize Galaxy teams for STFs and praise the devs, for a job well done!
And I'm also inclined to say: "and then we all woke up". Sorry for that.
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Everything given and taken, sounds too good to be true.
It was made to be Eng console/ENg boff based ship not a DPS ship or SCI/Tac ship. The DPS version of the Galaxy is the Dreadnought Cruiser. If you want a Sci support cruiser, there is the Odyssey/Support/star cruiser to choose from.
There is already 4 tac console of Galaxy which is the Fleet Dreadnought. I dont know why people still complain about the Galaxy when they already got a 4 tac console Galaxy version.
What happens now with those who bought both the Fleet Galaxy R and Galaxy R for their Eng consoles? It would be unfair for them since they have limited options for the ENG fed ship, when Tac and Sci players have more options.
Not everyone wants a DPS ship. There are more 5k dps and below build/players there than 10k and above dps players.
If anyone is flying the Fleet Galaxy R/Galaxy R like a Assault Cruiser/Dreadnought/Avenger or an escort/sci ship/sci support cruiser, then the player is at fault. The logic is the same as forcing a Risian corvette hull tank like an Obelisk or a Voth Bulwark and complaining that the Risian corvette does not hull tank like the Obelisk/Bulwark.
Because with the release of the original Explorer Refit, Cryptic gave a sci-heavy layout to one of it's variants. This option is not available anymore at endgame. But I want to play this ship at endgame, not the eng-heavy version. This alone is one reason to offer it - it's not "our" fault that even Cryptic decided that their original ideas were bad (this is true to all refits of the "big three")
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Don't even joke about that! :eek: Scroll down a dozen of pages and you'll see how relieved I was that they didn't slap the hangar to the Galaxy-R.
your implying the galaxy R currently has a focus. its station setup excludes the possibility of a focus, and leaves it the worst ship no mater what you try to use it for. worst DPS cruiser, and worst healing/tanking cruiser. this is why just any change would be a god send, it could optomize ever so in a sci or tac. just a modest thing like a universal ENS would make the ship twice as good, its that much of a trainwreck right now
this is the problem-> Why would anyone use it for Sci and Tac maximization. Not every toon is sci or tac. It has decent healing boff slot but not in a way that Sci toons use it.
If you are looking for SCI boff cruiser, get a Star, support or Odyssey cruiser. If you are looking for a SCI healer, get a carrier or SCI ship. You very well know this is a ENG ship.
If you are looking for the DPS Galaxy version, you should have bought the fleet Galaxy dreadnought instead of the fleet Galaxy exploration.
In pvp, it is one of those ships that hard to die unless you dont know how to use this ship.
In pve, its dps is decent but not superb. 10k dps on this ship is a given with the right group setup. 10k dps is already boring for PVE elite. Why would I need anything faster?
If you dont know the role of this ship upto now, you dont know how to maximize and run this ship at all. Stick with those easier to build A2B cruiser, Tac escorts, SCi healer builds that can be taken from STO academy.
Most know how to best build it to be effective as it can be. The part most want fixed is simply put any role that can be done by the Galaxy R can be done by another ship and it can do it better.
Honestly I think most problems can be easily solved by making all ships more universal or have a respec type option for BO and Console slots. Why they lock certain ships into certain roles is beyond me. Give every ship a starter build and simply add a respec option to use any other console and bo build for that ship class (that you own) and the problem is solved for all. Have your favorite ship and build in one. Seems like a great seller to me.
Thoiugh if they aren't willing to go thru and do a revamped ship system making fleet ships like the Galaxy R have alternatives like the dyson sphere, romulan scimatar, odyssey, and other such so that you can pick tac science engineer or balanced builds or simply make more ships with universal lt com and ensigns.
Dont think anyone here really want to hurt or take away another players choice or ruin their build as much as they want their fan favorite ship to preform as well as what is consider top ships of the class.
it has no role, a side effect of the best heals being sci skills. there may be 3 captain types, there may be 3 station types, but there is only 2 roles a cruiser can take. sustained DPS or heal/tank. eng alone does not = tanking, not without sci. half the heals, the most powerful ones, are sci not eng. if that was not the case, pure eng would actually have a role, and sci would just be CC.
all there is is ether a tac or sci lean, strictly engineering creates a ship that is incomplete at a fundamental level. eng is the foundation of every ship, the most critical part. all ships cant do without it, but if eng is all you have you have dysfunction. it cant heal or tank well without plentiful sci, it cant deal damage without more plentiful tac. there is nothing else in between that. there is no way to use it right, because it has no role, and is terrible when you try to use it in roles that actually exist.
the solution to the galaxy R's problem is not fly something else, that fixes nothing. you still have 1 ship that's terrible, in a game were every single other ship is pretty good at least for a certain style of build. on principle, there should not be a ship in game that's in such a bad way, the fact that its such an iconic ship just makes it doubly disgraceful that its the way it is.
LTC tac
COMM eng
ENS eng (instead of tac like the D'D)
LTC sci
ENS uni
or get rid of the uni ENS and make the eng ENS an eng LT and 4 boff spots
well while do GOOD heals are science there is much in eng that can work but you are correct the Gal R is too eng dependdant so I return to the idea I have had for ages. Make Gal R a all universal BO Stations like the KDF BOP line. it would be more canon and solve the main issue of the Retro.
That's not how this game works.
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what do you mean by that. The KDF have a WHOLE line of ships with universal Bo slots. I'm only suggesting one ship. Here's the layout. Captain Gal remains as is, Gal Retro universal BO slots, maybe a bo slot rearrangement for Venture but with a fix on the missing windows, And Gal X gets the needed graphics fix and the Shotgun lance becomes AOE.
I meant that suggesting all universal BOFFs is not a sensible suggestion in terms of how the game works. Each ship has a distinct layout. If you want another layout you need to buy another ship. The only exception are the Raiders, because they are a unique class of ships which pays heavily for the universal layout. In order to have a cruiser with an all universal layout you'd need to reduce it's hull to around 20k in order to make it a remotely viable trade-off. Plus the fact that a gal with an all universal layout would end ship sales, since you'd never need to buy another ship because you could recreate every layout there is
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But the gal-x dreade has 4 tac consoles and lots of engineer boff slots. Its great. You have enough tac slots to equip TT1, FAW1 and APB1. Thats all you need, you just make up for it with some more offensive eng skills such as DEM 3 and EPTW 2 or 3. Make it aux 2 bat as well and with 4 tac consoles, it tears things up. I always use it with both its special consoles, for the extra abilities and also for the 2 set bonus, which makes the ship a lot tougher.
Its my favourite heavy cruiser style ship. The avenger is my favourite offensive style.
It's completely sensible. The Gal is a multi mission ship so universal works, and everything else stays the same. It solves THE biggest issue of the Gal R
Aside from my own of course. =3
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It doesn't solve anything, all it does is making the Galaxy an almost uber-cruiser that is able to mimic the Boff layout of any other crusier in the game. That's not a solution and I'm not sure many people here really like to make the Galaxy that dominant.
thread used to be partially about the dread too, but wile its falls short of what we would have liked, its a good enough ship now. we are only talking about the R these days
leave the console set up like this and the movement rate at 6
2 Tac
5 eng
3 science
Give it 3 commanders
Cmdr Engineering
Cmdr Tactical
Cmdr Science
Doesnt seem op to me but it would be multi mission now and have a lot of fun possibiltys
Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
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yet you look at the patrol Retro they just released and that sucker has a universal BO slot. People do want the freedom to really customize there ship. The Gal R fits that perfectly. It's a sjhip that needs a serious overhual and among the complaints is it's too much eng Bo layout. And right now the KDF have an ENTIRE LINE of such ships why not give the feds just ONE ship that is like that. It would sol;ve the Gal R's problem and make the ship truly viable again.
make it breen raider style, COM eng and the rest universal. duel LTCs or not, would be a great cruiser, there's even canon to support it being extremely versatile. it was set up the polor oposite in yesterday's enterprise, then you see it in the rest of tng.
thats why ive said befor the station swap tech it should have a COM eng, LTC uni, LT uni, LT sci, ENS sci. it can be really tac heavy, exclude it, or be fairly mixed
The problem remains that the game cannot grant so many tricks to the "old pony". I'm with you canonical for the most part since the whole way STO is set up is inappropriate for a Star Trek game. However, in STO lore the Star Cruiser and the Oddyssey are supposed to be "better" in a certain way (The Star Cruiser is an odd child, it should really be the base version of the galaxy, basically, but whatever).
I think the separation with a swapping LTC from sci to tac would be a great way to deal with the issue, since the separation already grants +15 weapon energy.
But at the end of the day the galaxy "reboot" happened, they are done with it. So meh.
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