Around season 4 or 5 I think the Pet AI was really good. BOP's and other pets would fly in formation cloaked and about 5k out uncloak and hit thier powers, and fight with a coordinated attack and use of powers. The issue was that if you had another carrier on your team the AI could not tell the difference and someone else on your team could control your pets. The DEV's solution was to replace the AI with the Hull repair /Syphon drone AI. So now your pets dont attack correctly or fly in formations or correctly use powers. Thats why your ships seem to look for the nearest warp core breach and commit sucide. Thats thier hull repair AI working. Also thats why they seem to just fly around in circles and have no logic to thier attacks. There are several other posts about this and lots of video posts on youtube to back it up. Cryptic if you dont have someone on your team with the skill set to program a working AI for the pets then hire someone. Im sure there are plenty of programmers out of work with the talent and could clean this up in no time. You just have to acknowledge the players complaints and do something about it. Carriers should and could be the most feared ships in the game. If we had smart pets that followed commands correctly and used Boff abilities correctly and formation attacks carriers would rule.
I have a Jem'Hadar attack ship and I scored a Dreadnought. I was disappointed that I had to have both ships on the same toon to score the bug ship carrier pets but I felt it was worth it to get those awesome pets. I respeced my toon so be as best a fit for both ships and now I'm happy. I also love the new skin on the attack ship.
For those who have given the ships to different toons and are complaining that they don't get access to the bug ship pets, I have no sympathy for you. It was made perfectly clear from the beginning how the bug ship pets were going to be unlocked so you have nobody to blame but yourselves.
A good option for those players that already have the the Jem Carrier and can't stand the pre loaded fighters is to go and use the Ultra Rare Scorpion Fighters (They are the Sickness)
On a side note:
We need more mid size hanger support craft for all full carriers for both factions.
What I'm talking about is something like the BOP that can be used on all KDF Carriers.
The Feds should get a non cloaking Sao Paulo class hanger suport that can be used on all full Carriers available to the Federation.
Put some options in Crafting that will let us make more Hanger Support options for our Carriers.
love the idea....but would wrather stick with mirandas.
I have a Jem'Hadar attack ship and I scored a Dreadnought. I was disappointed that I had to have both ships on the same toon to score the bug ship carrier pets but I felt it was worth it to get those awesome pets. I respeced my toon so be as best a fit for both ships and now I'm happy. I also love the new skin on the attack ship.
For those who have given the ships to different toons and are complaining that they don't get access to the bug ship pets, I have no sympathy for you. It was made perfectly clear from the beginning how the bug ship pets were going to be unlocked so you have nobody to blame but yourselves.
I think you might be missing the point that some of us are trying to make (or your're just trolling)
Most of us do not own the Bug ship and would be very hard pressed to get one.
In my case I'd never use the Bug ship has it does not fit my playstyle.
I do however collect Carriers and I can outright buy the Jem Carrier if I so choose but I won't because if I pay 800 Lobi or 90 million EC for one vessel I should not have to own another vessel to get the best options that are avaliable for it.
My outlook would be different if the Bug ship was a Z-Store item and not a luck box item.
This move by Cryptic really Bugs me (Pun Intended)
I have an idea that's sort of a compromise as I'm not a bug owner,but I myself want the pets, but not for roughly 400 USD. So here it is.the devs put a bug token in the lobi store worth maybe 400? Lobi which provides the unlock on a per toon basis. Owners if the bug get this unlock for free acct wide,both sides win.
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I think you might be missing the point that some of us are trying to make (or your're just trolling)
Most of us do not own the Bug ship and would be very hard pressed to get one.
In my case I'd never use the Bug ship has it does not fit my playstyle.
I do however collect Carriers and I can outright buy the Jem Carrier if I so choose but I won't because if I pay 800 Lobi or 90 million EC for one vessel I should not have to own another vessel to get the best options that are avaliable for it.
My outlook would be different if the Bug ship was a Z-Store item and not a luck box item.
This move by Cryptic really Bugs me (Pun Intended)
I'm not trolling, and if it comes across that way then I apologise.
Lockbox ships are not supposed to be common. They're meant to have an exclusive quality about them. Sought after with no guarantee of securing one. Requiring a JHAS to get a special premium feature of the Dreadnought Carrier is an extension of this.
1. Make the current jem'hadar fighters actually able to surpass paper airplanes with rubberband guns.
2. Make the Jem'Hadar Attack Ship Hangar Items availible to all with a Jem'Hadar Dreadnought.
3. Make 1 more version of the Jem'Hadar Attack Ship Hangar Items on top of the two we have now, 2 for the regular dread owners, and 1 for the bug ship owners the bug ship ones being able to launch 3 per wing totaling 6 instead of 4 to be out at any given time, or just some new stats.
1. Make the current jem'hadar fighters actually able to surpass paper airplanes with rubberband guns.
2. Make the Jem'Hadar Attack Ship Hangar Items availible to all with a Jem'Hadar Dreadnought.
3. Make 1 more version of the Jem'Hadar Attack Ship Hangar Items on top of the two we have now, 2 for the regular dread owners, and 1 for the bug ship owners the bug ship ones being able to launch 3 per wing totaling 6 instead of 4 to be out at any given time, or just some new stats.
I thought there were 4 hangar items? The dread comes with blue fighters with purple ones available in the dilithium store. If you own a JHAS you can get blue bug ship pets in the Ship Requisitions area of ESD and purple ones in the dilithium store.
I thought there were 4 hangar items? The dread comes with blue fighters with purple ones available in the dilithium store. If you own a JHAS you can get blue bug ship pets in the Ship Requisitions area of ESD and purple ones in the dilithium store.
no there are only 2 JHAS sets,....not including the fighters.
I'm not trolling, and if it comes across that way then I apologise.
Lockbox ships are not supposed to be common. They're meant to have an exclusive quality about them. Sought after with no guarantee of securing one. Requiring a JHAS to get a special premium feature of the Dreadnought Carrier is an extension of this.
I think you are looking at this from a different perspective, but Cryptic doesn't give a **** what is 'rare' or 'hard to get' in this game, anything worth anything can be bought if you have the money. The boxes drop rate can hardly be considered nominal, and you can buy keys until your bank account is drained if you want. If you spend enough, you WILL get one(whatever it is). It's not a matter of RNG or drop rate, you can play the odds until you make it happen as long as you have the $$$ to keep going. The Wiki has a nice breakdown on lock boxes itemizing what it would take if you literally just kept opening boxes over and over to get what you wanted from it. Exclusivity means nothing in this game, thats how Cryptic wants it. You can BUY your way into the 'special feature' you speak of, the only premium here is price.
ok look, the devs or marketing team, whichever did make an odd turn here with the way they set up the JHASH, it would make more sense to have a more profitable venue such as a new space set for the bugs, and the JHASH for the dreads.
but yea it would be something cool to give the jemmy bug owners something similar but different, something like a jem'hadar attack ship hangar refit so they can put it on any and all forms of carriers.
I don't think this was an intentional attempt to TRIBBLE us all off....
I do not think it was intended to make us angry, its intended to get us to buy all jemmy ships on any character we want to have all the options on. It was the same thing with the temporal ships textures. I had to get a wells on my tac with a mobius to get the skin for it. Fortunately, I am patient enough to have been able to stand farming the EC for a wells and an aeon. I'm not sure how many are patient enough to farm up the EC for a jemmy bug.
I have the bug, just got the dread when it came out. Tried out the stock dread fighters and was like wow these suck. Went to ESD bought the blue quality Jem assault pets... wow massive differance.
I own the bug and feel that locking these from anyone who doesnt have the bug is unfair. The dread and DHEC are expensive ships to obtain, just as expensive as the bug was. And to leave them stuck with underpreforming pets is just kicking us in the teeth.
If you have the bug you should just get purple quality ones for free or something, not letting people get them at all is just plain BS. Its the only real frigate class pets the feds can even gain access to.
If i didnt own a bug id get the parigrens or runabouts/delta. Anything but the stock jem fighters. The carrier is good with non Jem fighters.
I'm happy to see a thread about this because unfortunately something really needs to be done here.
I've always love the carrier ships, been using the Vo'Quv since I got it nearly 3 years ago. I've always wanted to get my hands on a Dominion ship because, and let's face it, they look amazing. I was happy as can be when I found out about the Dominion lock box (even though I hate them) because I really wanted to get my hands on that Dreadnought. Now I'm quite happy to have it, but it really is sub par when compared to the other carriers, not because of stations or console slots, but the fighters.
I picked up the advanced fighters and they really do perform horribly. I find myself constantly having to launch a new wave because they keep killing themselves in warp core detonations, and for negligible damage from them. They really need something more then DEM 1, simply adding torpedoes could make all the difference.
My real problem though is the inability to purchase the attack ship pet. I understand the idea of giving existing owners that unique "gift", but let's face it, there really must be another way. Allowing them to have the advanced version for free while making the others spend dilithium as for any other pet would have been enough of a gift. I myself use the B'rolth refits simply because I prefer their survivability, the same could be said for the attack ships. And considering how unlikely it would be for most of the players to get their hands on the actual Jem'Hadar attack ship, I would implore any Devs that read this to reconsider the current situation and allow the Jem Dreadnought owners the ability to purchase these pets. Not all of us can spend 450 million EC on a ship they might never even use.
For what its worth I fine the bugship pets to be absolutely worth using. They can't be cleared in a single FAW or TBR and their beam overload provides some nice spike damage with zero travel time
Those of you who don't have a bugship parked in your space garage I'm sorry you miss out, but I guess at least you can get a Kar'Fi for some some advanced hell frigate goodness.
I for one am glad that this particular item is somewhat exclusive. It means those of us with the dedication and perseverance to play this game properly can get items that the vast majority of the playerbase can't have. I'm so sick of seeing everyone and their dog flying a galor or a timeship. Please add in more hard to get items so those of us who put in the time to get ec can benefit.
But you know what? I guess it doesn't matter now does it? By being allowed to visit their studios Cryptic has pretty much signed off on you and your fleet haven't they? They've said in deed what most of us have suspected for years. They're not going to stop you. They're not going to correct you. You won. After long last, you really, really won. STO is yours and no one is going to do a thing about it. Congratulations.
Its got nothing to do with dedication and perseverance to play the game, its just discrimination based on pure dumb luck. Some players who didnt got the ship spent a few times more (both money and time) then others who did got the ship. And now that you got the best ship in the game you get the best hangar pet too??? I guess you needed to feel more special lol
Also its about new players since then can get it atm, the promotions shouldnt be linked between them, it might even go there when u cant use or obtain a whole ship if u dont get the last promotion one.
At least as someone else sugested here put the JHAS hangar pet for sale (for high dil price) for rest of the ppl with dreadnaughts and for free for those who own an JH atack ship.
The ships already cost plenty to get you should not have to get the rarest and most expensive ship too to get the other hanger pets. Even if you bought it off the exchange someone, somewhere, had to open enough lock boxes to get 800 lobi crystals. I know people that spent hundreds trying to get the jem bug in the first winter package and got sweet FA. It's not easy to get and now once more people are being penalized and screwed over by the jem bug.
Oh and to those that say "If you don't like it quit playing", some people have sunk in a lot of money into this game before being skrewed over. To pay a lot of money and not use something would be moronic.
I for one am glad that this particular item is somewhat exclusive. It means those of us with the dedication and perseverance to play this game properly can get items that the vast majority of the playerbase can't have. I'm so sick of seeing everyone and their dog flying a galor or a timeship. Please add in more hard to get items so those of us who put in the time to get ec can benefit.
There is nothing 'exclusive' about something you can just pay your way into. Dedication and perseverance don't have a single thing to do with it, only the size of your wallet whether it's in game or IRL. Where are you hanging out that you see 'everyone and their dog' in a Galor or Timeship? There's FAR more people flying around in Jem'Hadar ships now, I think you've got that backwards. There's more 'dedication and perseverance' in obtaining the Breen Chel Grett, at least we had to DO something to get those ships.
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For those who have given the ships to different toons and are complaining that they don't get access to the bug ship pets, I have no sympathy for you. It was made perfectly clear from the beginning how the bug ship pets were going to be unlocked so you have nobody to blame but yourselves.
love the idea....but would wrather stick with mirandas.
I think you might be missing the point that some of us are trying to make (or your're just trolling)
Most of us do not own the Bug ship and would be very hard pressed to get one.
In my case I'd never use the Bug ship has it does not fit my playstyle.
I do however collect Carriers and I can outright buy the Jem Carrier if I so choose but I won't because if I pay 800 Lobi or 90 million EC for one vessel I should not have to own another vessel to get the best options that are avaliable for it.
My outlook would be different if the Bug ship was a Z-Store item and not a luck box item.
This move by Cryptic really Bugs me (Pun Intended)
I'm not trolling, and if it comes across that way then I apologise.
Lockbox ships are not supposed to be common. They're meant to have an exclusive quality about them. Sought after with no guarantee of securing one. Requiring a JHAS to get a special premium feature of the Dreadnought Carrier is an extension of this.
Yup.
1. Make the current jem'hadar fighters actually able to surpass paper airplanes with rubberband guns.
2. Make the Jem'Hadar Attack Ship Hangar Items availible to all with a Jem'Hadar Dreadnought.
3. Make 1 more version of the Jem'Hadar Attack Ship Hangar Items on top of the two we have now, 2 for the regular dread owners, and 1 for the bug ship owners the bug ship ones being able to launch 3 per wing totaling 6 instead of 4 to be out at any given time, or just some new stats.
I thought there were 4 hangar items? The dread comes with blue fighters with purple ones available in the dilithium store. If you own a JHAS you can get blue bug ship pets in the Ship Requisitions area of ESD and purple ones in the dilithium store.
no there are only 2 JHAS sets,....not including the fighters.
I think you are looking at this from a different perspective, but Cryptic doesn't give a **** what is 'rare' or 'hard to get' in this game, anything worth anything can be bought if you have the money. The boxes drop rate can hardly be considered nominal, and you can buy keys until your bank account is drained if you want. If you spend enough, you WILL get one(whatever it is). It's not a matter of RNG or drop rate, you can play the odds until you make it happen as long as you have the $$$ to keep going. The Wiki has a nice breakdown on lock boxes itemizing what it would take if you literally just kept opening boxes over and over to get what you wanted from it. Exclusivity means nothing in this game, thats how Cryptic wants it. You can BUY your way into the 'special feature' you speak of, the only premium here is price.
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just re-post your idea, some people don't like seeing one thing once.
I do not think it was intended to make us angry, its intended to get us to buy all jemmy ships on any character we want to have all the options on. It was the same thing with the temporal ships textures. I had to get a wells on my tac with a mobius to get the skin for it. Fortunately, I am patient enough to have been able to stand farming the EC for a wells and an aeon. I'm not sure how many are patient enough to farm up the EC for a jemmy bug.
I own the bug and feel that locking these from anyone who doesnt have the bug is unfair. The dread and DHEC are expensive ships to obtain, just as expensive as the bug was. And to leave them stuck with underpreforming pets is just kicking us in the teeth.
If you have the bug you should just get purple quality ones for free or something, not letting people get them at all is just plain BS. Its the only real frigate class pets the feds can even gain access to.
If i didnt own a bug id get the parigrens or runabouts/delta. Anything but the stock jem fighters. The carrier is good with non Jem fighters.
I've always love the carrier ships, been using the Vo'Quv since I got it nearly 3 years ago. I've always wanted to get my hands on a Dominion ship because, and let's face it, they look amazing. I was happy as can be when I found out about the Dominion lock box (even though I hate them) because I really wanted to get my hands on that Dreadnought. Now I'm quite happy to have it, but it really is sub par when compared to the other carriers, not because of stations or console slots, but the fighters.
I picked up the advanced fighters and they really do perform horribly. I find myself constantly having to launch a new wave because they keep killing themselves in warp core detonations, and for negligible damage from them. They really need something more then DEM 1, simply adding torpedoes could make all the difference.
My real problem though is the inability to purchase the attack ship pet. I understand the idea of giving existing owners that unique "gift", but let's face it, there really must be another way. Allowing them to have the advanced version for free while making the others spend dilithium as for any other pet would have been enough of a gift. I myself use the B'rolth refits simply because I prefer their survivability, the same could be said for the attack ships. And considering how unlikely it would be for most of the players to get their hands on the actual Jem'Hadar attack ship, I would implore any Devs that read this to reconsider the current situation and allow the Jem Dreadnought owners the ability to purchase these pets. Not all of us can spend 450 million EC on a ship they might never even use.
Those of you who don't have a bugship parked in your space garage I'm sorry you miss out, but I guess at least you can get a Kar'Fi for some some advanced hell frigate goodness.
Its got nothing to do with dedication and perseverance to play the game, its just discrimination based on pure dumb luck. Some players who didnt got the ship spent a few times more (both money and time) then others who did got the ship. And now that you got the best ship in the game you get the best hangar pet too??? I guess you needed to feel more special lol
Also its about new players since then can get it atm, the promotions shouldnt be linked between them, it might even go there when u cant use or obtain a whole ship if u dont get the last promotion one.
At least as someone else sugested here put the JHAS hangar pet for sale (for high dil price) for rest of the ppl with dreadnaughts and for free for those who own an JH atack ship.
Oh and to those that say "If you don't like it quit playing", some people have sunk in a lot of money into this game before being skrewed over. To pay a lot of money and not use something would be moronic.
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This is the last thing I will post.
There is nothing 'exclusive' about something you can just pay your way into. Dedication and perseverance don't have a single thing to do with it, only the size of your wallet whether it's in game or IRL. Where are you hanging out that you see 'everyone and their dog' in a Galor or Timeship? There's FAR more people flying around in Jem'Hadar ships now, I think you've got that backwards. There's more 'dedication and perseverance' in obtaining the Breen Chel Grett, at least we had to DO something to get those ships.
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No they won't.