Someone really needs to kill High Chancellor J'Mpok. The Seventh Fleet would probably not have been wiped out by the Borg if they had not lost over half their strength at the battle of Starbase 24, including their carriers, commanding general, and a third of their battleships. The Fifth Fleet took a similar pounding in the Laurentian System and the Sixth Fleet was forced to withdraw due to heavy losses. A Klingon player will have to fill in the Federation loses, but J'Mpok's paranoia about the Federation is bleeding both sides dry. He would rather turn to the shattered Romulan Empire for allies rather than the much stronger Federation. As long as J'Mpok lives, the Federation and the Empire will continue to bleed each other dry until neither is capable of defending itself from the real bad guys, the Borg, the Undine, the Tholians and the Iconians. If we are to survive the current conflicts, J'Mpok must die so that the two major powers can point every ship, facility, resource, weapon, and soldier at our true enemies instead of each other.
As soon as the Devs give us the storyline that points us in that direction rather than forcing it upon the playerbase out of a lack to create it or follow thier own story.
I opposse the peace becuase its forced upon my character without any story to back it up becuase the Devs are unwilling to put the story in the game. Rather they run fir drills trying to keep a endgame capped playerbase interested while ignoring the those whom look to STO for a story that makes sense.
Playing STO is like reading a book backwards from the end to the begining with the middle section ripped out.
Then how could he hear (and he literally said "I can hear them") the collective when there is not a single implant left?
We've seen several ex-drones, especially on Voyager.
And none of them was shown with all of the technology removed.
Given that the Borg don't just add stuff to the body but also regularly replace stuff, this is harldy surprising.
It's questionable whether someone that has been assimilated could actually survive when everything was removed.
Psychic powers and crystals exist in Star Trek and can be learned by anyone.
The problem is with holding Star Trek to a materialist, empirical view of science.
So you would let the Empire burn out of SPITE! Yes, the Federation dropped the ball. Now we are trying to correct that. We even launched an assault on the unicomplex itself. BTW, the Klingon players cut and ran while the Federation players remained and finished off the Unicomplex. Was it not Khales who said "Losing an Empire to win a battle is not victory". That is exactly what J'Mpok is doing.
"Losing one's identity to satisfy someone else's goal is no victory" G'hargh.
If they wrote the story so the player gets to know why the war is a fallacy so that by the time one is at VA or LG, I would have no problem.
As it is peace has been imposed on the KDF out of pandering to the majority. Evidently story is not needed in STO as long as they shops remain open to sell things.
Remember the Q are afraid of humanity
they know we are destined to replace them
observe how they try to temp riker into betraying humanity for the illusions of the Q
As to the undine
Vulcans do not get angry
they do not order "no prisoners either"
How the hell did we go from killing the High Chancellor to unite the major powers against the Borg, Undine, Tholians and Iconians to killing Q for no apparent reason
They were in a plasma cloud and all their organics had disolved (and the metal bits are not enough)
IF they had all died the two that turned up in Enterprise would have fissle popped as well
He's got a point. That's what started this mess in the first place. They contact the Collective and the Collective heads for Earth. If Archer had just blown them to bits, the Borg would never know about Earth.
He's got a point. That's what started this mess in the first place. They contact the Collective and the Collective heads for Earth. If Archer had just blown them to bits, the Borg would never know about Earth.
Actually Archer's actions as well as that of Q's only spead up Human kinds encounter with the Borg. Their mission to assimilate every thing would eventually get them to Earth. It just would have taken longer.
And since the first Borg were humans it stands to reason that they were always on a course for Earth.
I agree with the observation that we need more story in the game before I'd totally agree with killing Chancellor J'mpok.
If the story will actually unfold far enough through Season 8, Starfleet will finally nail down the Undine conspiracy and the Klingons - as tradition dictates - will handle J'mpok one way or another. Of course, if I read the story correctly, the Iconians will still exist to prevent any new peace. Perhaps J'mpok will meet his end ala Gorkon?
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The borg did not originate from the frozen borg on Enterprise.
The Voyager episode Dragon's Teeth places the borg at least 900 years old.
The time loop borg may have boosted borg tech a little but we're talking less than 300 years and it evidently didn't do too much (or most of it was lost somehow in the process)
The borg did not originate from the frozen borg on Enterprise.
The Voyager episode Dragon's Teeth places the borg at least 900 years old.
The time loop borg may have boosted borg tech a little but we're talking less than 300 years and it evidently didn't do too much (or most of it was lost somehow in the process)
This is exactly why I take nothing implied in Enterprise seriously.
The whole theory of the Borg originating from the frozen Borg on Enterprise is ludicrous..
This is exactly why I take nothing implied in Enterprise seriously.
The whole theory of the Borg originating from the frozen Borg on Enterprise is ludicrous..
They never stated the Borg originated from Enterprise, the Borg existed already in Enterprise, and they were trying to contact the borg in the 22nd century.
Well, let?s look solely at the facts that we are given about J?Mpok, for acedemic purposes.
Had Martok come out of that room instead of J?Mpok, we would not have the Gorn Hedgemony, Letheans, Nausicaans, or Orions as part of the KDF.
He did spare Drex and allow him to stay at the head of the House of Martok. He did allow Worf to stay in the Empire instead of leave it permanently.
His leadership showed the Federation the infiltration of Species 8472 into the Gorn Hedgemony when even the Federation and Gorn couldn?t believe it themselves.
It is the Federation President that is begging for the war to end and stop the bloodshed, not J?Mpok. He did not follow in the same path of negotiation with the Federation as Martok continually did.
The only thing that I don?t understand is how J?Mpok could have let the Romulans settle in the Narendra system considering all the trouble it has casued the Empire to hold onto it.
As far as the Duras vs. Martok conflict, we will have to wait and see. But I ask you, how could a warrior that has accomplished all these things possibly fall to a someone like Drex?
No, I say we leave J'Mpok since he is making our Empire strong!
Well, let?s look solely at the facts that we are given about J?Mpok, for acedemic purposes.
Had Martok come out of that room instead of J?Mpok, we would not have the Gorn Hedgemony, Letheans, Nausicaans, or Orions as part of the KDF.
He did spare Drex and allow him to stay at the head of the House of Martok. He did allow Worf to stay in the Empire instead of leave it permanently.
His leadership showed the Federation the infiltration of Species 8472 into the Gorn Hedgemony when even the Federation and Gorn couldn?t believe it themselves.
It is the Federation President that is begging for the war to end and stop the bloodshed, not J?Mpok. He did not follow in the same path of negotiation with the Federation as Martok continually did.
The only thing that I don?t understand is how J?Mpok could have let the Romulans settle in the Narendra system considering all the trouble it has casued the Empire to hold onto it.
As far as the Duras vs. Martok conflict, we will have to wait and see. But I ask you, how could a warrior that has accomplished all these things possibly fall to a someone like Drex?
No, I say we leave J'Mpok since he is making our Empire strong!
What the hell are you talking about? His stupidity has lead to the destruction of the Seventh Fleet and many others. The Klingons are losing more ships against the Federation than against the Borg. J'Mpok is leading the Empire to defeat. If anything, he has made the Federation stronger. Odyssey class, Vesta class, Emissary class, Chimera class, none of these ships existed before the war. Starfleet is replacing it's aging, peace oriented fleet with some of the finest warships in the Galaxy. The war with the Klingons has resulted in the largest, the most advanced, the most powerful Federation vessels ever designed. All of the finest weapons and technologies have evolved through the war. If only they could be deployed against the real threats instead being wasted against the Klingons. Kill J'Mpok. I don't care if you put a Duras on the throne. At least they realize we must set aside our differences if we don't want to be assimilated or annihilated.
The only thing that I don?t understand is how J?Mpok could have let the Romulans settle in the Narendra system considering all the trouble it has casued the Empire to hold onto it.
He gave it to Romulans because the other Houses realize they need allies against the Iconians. J'Mpok's fear of the Federation is blinding his judgement and he turns to a dieing empire for aid instead of a growing power.
?No longer will we die the death of a thousand cuts.?
?Peace was the death of the Klingon Empire. Thankfully, it was a mistake that we caught in time.?
?Conflict makes us Klingons. Combat makes us strong, I write my story with my blade, and the ink is the blood of my enemies.?
I'll see your Odyssey and raise you a Fleet Tor'Kaht.
In terms of ingame "reality", Klingons are rolling out some sweet rigs too..
The Federation is bringing out more new, more advanced ship classes than the Klingons. I'd see your Tor'Kaht and raise you a Vesta or Chimera, or even an Armitage.
Implying the Tor'Kaht can't get Mk XII cannons? Because I've got Mk XII DHCs on mine..
Tor'Kaht is also a 10-console boat (4 tac, 4 eng, 2 sci), has 4 aft weapons--4 turrets translates directly into frontal firepower--doesn't lose a console to a gimmicky point-defense system, has an integrated cloak, has a higher shield modifier then the HEC, and it's turning is nearly as good, has the flexibility of a Lt. universal slot..
Implying the Tor'Kaht can't get Mk XII cannons? Because I've got Mk XII DHCs on mine..
Tor'Kaht is also a 10-console boat (4 tac, 4 eng, 2 sci), has 4 aft weapons--4 turrets translates directly into frontal firepower--doesn't lose a console to a gimmicky point-defense system, has an integrated cloak, has a higher shield modifier then the HEC, and it's turning is nearly as good, has the flexibility of a Lt. universal slot..
And the Odyssey has a greater hull strength, greater shield power, and the potential to equip a detachable saucer section, a powerful destroyer, and self repair drones. So instead of one ship, you could command three.
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As soon as the Devs give us the storyline that points us in that direction rather than forcing it upon the playerbase out of a lack to create it or follow thier own story.
I opposse the peace becuase its forced upon my character without any story to back it up becuase the Devs are unwilling to put the story in the game. Rather they run fir drills trying to keep a endgame capped playerbase interested while ignoring the those whom look to STO for a story that makes sense.
Playing STO is like reading a book backwards from the end to the begining with the middle section ripped out.
R.I.P
Psychic powers and crystals exist in Star Trek and can be learned by anyone.
The problem is with holding Star Trek to a materialist, empirical view of science.
Star Trek is New Age-y.
"Losing one's identity to satisfy someone else's goal is no victory" G'hargh.
If they wrote the story so the player gets to know why the war is a fallacy so that by the time one is at VA or LG, I would have no problem.
As it is peace has been imposed on the KDF out of pandering to the majority. Evidently story is not needed in STO as long as they shops remain open to sell things.
R.I.P
I doubt it
How the hell did we go from killing the High Chancellor to unite the major powers against the Borg, Undine, Tholians and Iconians to killing Q for no apparent reason
Actually We could make the Klingons 5 times stronger almost instantly
Give them levels 1-20 AND some content and Klingons will out number the Feds within weeks
ESPECIALLY in STF's
The queen's death scene in First Contact begs to differ.
She died, they all start shorting out and dying...
IF they had all died the two that turned up in Enterprise would have fissle popped as well
He's got a point. That's what started this mess in the first place. They contact the Collective and the Collective heads for Earth. If Archer had just blown them to bits, the Borg would never know about Earth.
Since when does inclusion into a situation make a species of the participants?
Are Stoners a species becuase they all enjoy the same recreation?
Are football players a species becuase they all play the same game?
The Borg are not a species.
R.I.P
The plasma cloud hadn't reached the upper levels yet, and Borg on the upper levels, above Picard and Data, were "fizzle-popping"..
The plasma liquified organics, it didn't cause short circuits in electrical components.
AKA, sparks..
As for Enterprise...
It's Enterprise...That should be reason enough to call it a joke and ignore it..
Actually Archer's actions as well as that of Q's only spead up Human kinds encounter with the Borg. Their mission to assimilate every thing would eventually get them to Earth. It just would have taken longer.
And since the first Borg were humans it stands to reason that they were always on a course for Earth.
You forgot to mention the Voyager finally. The Queen dies and the Unicomplex self destructs.
If the story will actually unfold far enough through Season 8, Starfleet will finally nail down the Undine conspiracy and the Klingons - as tradition dictates - will handle J'mpok one way or another. Of course, if I read the story correctly, the Iconians will still exist to prevent any new peace. Perhaps J'mpok will meet his end ala Gorkon?
A Queen dies. There are others ready to be elevated to be the new vessel when a Queen dies.
R.I.P
This is just as stupid as the Enterprise TRIBBLE on Borg origin..
A lightly-armed fast-scout can suddenly 1-shot Borg Cubes.
Awesome.
Between Voyager and Enterprise, the galactic badass (They were, even if they lack the tactical common sense of a baboon..) was neutered..
The Voyager episode Dragon's Teeth places the borg at least 900 years old.
The time loop borg may have boosted borg tech a little but we're talking less than 300 years and it evidently didn't do too much (or most of it was lost somehow in the process)
This is exactly why I take nothing implied in Enterprise seriously.
The whole theory of the Borg originating from the frozen Borg on Enterprise is ludicrous..
They never stated the Borg originated from Enterprise, the Borg existed already in Enterprise, and they were trying to contact the borg in the 22nd century.
Had Martok come out of that room instead of J?Mpok, we would not have the Gorn Hedgemony, Letheans, Nausicaans, or Orions as part of the KDF.
He did spare Drex and allow him to stay at the head of the House of Martok. He did allow Worf to stay in the Empire instead of leave it permanently.
His leadership showed the Federation the infiltration of Species 8472 into the Gorn Hedgemony when even the Federation and Gorn couldn?t believe it themselves.
It is the Federation President that is begging for the war to end and stop the bloodshed, not J?Mpok. He did not follow in the same path of negotiation with the Federation as Martok continually did.
The only thing that I don?t understand is how J?Mpok could have let the Romulans settle in the Narendra system considering all the trouble it has casued the Empire to hold onto it.
As far as the Duras vs. Martok conflict, we will have to wait and see. But I ask you, how could a warrior that has accomplished all these things possibly fall to a someone like Drex?
No, I say we leave J'Mpok since he is making our Empire strong!
He has no Honor, and needs to go.
What the hell are you talking about? His stupidity has lead to the destruction of the Seventh Fleet and many others. The Klingons are losing more ships against the Federation than against the Borg. J'Mpok is leading the Empire to defeat. If anything, he has made the Federation stronger. Odyssey class, Vesta class, Emissary class, Chimera class, none of these ships existed before the war. Starfleet is replacing it's aging, peace oriented fleet with some of the finest warships in the Galaxy. The war with the Klingons has resulted in the largest, the most advanced, the most powerful Federation vessels ever designed. All of the finest weapons and technologies have evolved through the war. If only they could be deployed against the real threats instead being wasted against the Klingons. Kill J'Mpok. I don't care if you put a Duras on the throne. At least they realize we must set aside our differences if we don't want to be assimilated or annihilated.
He gave it to Romulans because the other Houses realize they need allies against the Iconians. J'Mpok's fear of the Federation is blinding his judgement and he turns to a dieing empire for aid instead of a growing power.
?No longer will we die the death of a thousand cuts.?
?Peace was the death of the Klingon Empire. Thankfully, it was a mistake that we caught in time.?
?Conflict makes us Klingons. Combat makes us strong, I write my story with my blade, and the ink is the blood of my enemies.?
All direct quotes from J'Mpok.
? sounds like Klingon honor to me?
Wut
I'll see your Odyssey and raise you a Fleet Tor'Kaht.
In terms of ingame "reality", Klingons are rolling out some sweet rigs too..
The Federation is bringing out more new, more advanced ship classes than the Klingons. I'd see your Tor'Kaht and raise you a Vesta or Chimera, or even an Armitage.
And I'd take the Fleet Tor'Kaht over any of those. And I own a HEC..
Really, you would take the Tor'Kaht over a ship with Mk XII canons and a hangar?
Tor'Kaht is also a 10-console boat (4 tac, 4 eng, 2 sci), has 4 aft weapons--4 turrets translates directly into frontal firepower--doesn't lose a console to a gimmicky point-defense system, has an integrated cloak, has a higher shield modifier then the HEC, and it's turning is nearly as good, has the flexibility of a Lt. universal slot..
And the Odyssey has a greater hull strength, greater shield power, and the potential to equip a detachable saucer section, a powerful destroyer, and self repair drones. So instead of one ship, you could command three.