I too miss my blatantly broken shield heal. I demand you restore my godlike shield healing so that I can faceroll PvE even harder and pretend I know what I'm doing in PvP.
It is unfair of you to bring passives in line with how the game works, and you should know better than to fix things that are clearly broken.
But even with the base regen rate merely doubling, its still too slow to be of use. For example I just checked a BoP running an Omega 12 shield, in orbit of Qo'nos (so getting a reading with all modifiers applied), with a shield regen rate of 269.2, and shields of 7300 per facing. At that rate of recovery it would take over 160 seconds to fully recover a downed facing. Thats not fast enough to make a difference in the middle of a fight, and out of a fight thats enough time to cycle all my shield heals several times over. And thats on a frigging regenerative shield, which is supposed to regenerate fast enough to actually help during a fight (in theory). Even with the regeneration rate doubled by the Superior Regeneration, thats still almost a minute and a half of waiting and not fast enough to make a difference during the engagement. Whats the point of a 'high tier' power that isn't helpful when you need it most?
You didn't max shield power, nor did you pop epts, and you're using a ship w/negative shield regen mods ... people plz learn how this stuff works.
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No, because the Romulan Reputation has a shield buff that is specified to "each facing". So no, that was NOT their intention, as they did that on 1 skill but did NOT on the Omega skill, so your point is invalid. The bug being fixed I am wholeheartedly behind, but nerfing a skill that you have NO REAL DATA or PROOF that it is overpowered, I say that because the skill was fixed and simultaneously nerfed in the same patch so there is no way to determine if the skill was even OP at all. Given the amount of time and resources getting to T4 requires I believe this is UNACCEPTABLE in EVERY WAY. Taking this passive down to 240 makes it useless. I know for fact because I picked the Romulan Shield Buff too, It grants regen to each facing upon receiving critical hits (20% proc). With that skill AND the newly nerfed SSR my shields are still tissue paper compared to their new Borg nerfs...which I'm not seeing. Put the borg back where they were and give me my shields back. 75% isnt "Balance", its a skill removal. Now you guys chose to force us into these silly Reputation Projects because they take time and try to force us to keep coming back to get the items....now you're telling us that when we get these items/perks you're just going to make them irrelevant...but we dont get any of those resources or our time/marks back? We just loose and loose again.....and you have the GALL to call this "providing a balanced game experience for our customers??"
Prove to me you have a clue what the difference between shield regen and shield repairs are before you go insulting other players.
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i wholeheartedly agree! this is ridiculous. Again, just a gross over reaction to the situation by the dev's. you guys really need to set this back to what it was supposed to be from the start. with the current shield heal rate i cant imagine why anyone would use this power.
It's not a heal rate it's a regen rate, learn the difference before bashing people.
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But even with the base regen rate merely doubling, its still too slow to be of use. For example I just checked a BoP running an Omega 12 shield, in orbit of Qo'nos (so getting a reading with all modifiers applied), with a shield regen rate of 269.2, and shields of 7300 per facing. At that rate of recovery it would take over 160 seconds to fully recover a downed facing. Thats not fast enough to make a difference in the middle of a fight, and out of a fight thats enough time to cycle all my shield heals several times over. And thats on a frigging regenerative shield, which is supposed to regenerate fast enough to actually help during a fight (in theory). Even with the regeneration rate doubled by the Superior Regeneration, thats still almost a minute and a half of waiting and not fast enough to make a difference during the engagement. Whats the point of a 'high tier' power that isn't helpful when you need it most?
The Tier 4 Omega Passive is basically the same as +22 Shield Power. This is equal to a free, permanent, emergency power to shields. Another way to look at it is that when you reach 125 Shield Power your regeneration rate is capped and can not even be boosted by EPtS. The passive adds a flat 262.5 which is the equivalent of a couple of Shield Emitter Amplifier Consoles (2 free console slots) for free.
No, because the Romulan Reputation has a shield buff that is specified to "each facing". So no, that was NOT their intention, as they did that on 1 skill but did NOT on the Omega skill, so your point is invalid. The bug being fixed I am wholeheartedly behind, but nerfing a skill that you have NO REAL DATA or PROOF that it is overpowered, I say that because the skill was fixed and simultaneously nerfed in the same patch so there is no way to determine if the skill was even OP at all. Given the amount of time and resources getting to T4 requires I believe this is UNACCEPTABLE in EVERY WAY. Taking this passive down to 240 makes it useless. I know for fact because I picked the Romulan Shield Buff too, It grants regen to each facing upon receiving critical hits (20% proc). With that skill AND the newly nerfed SSR my shields are still tissue paper compared to their new Borg nerfs...which I'm not seeing. Put the borg back where they were and give me my shields back. 75% isnt "Balance", its a skill removal. Now you guys chose to force us into these silly Reputation Projects because they take time and try to force us to keep coming back to get the items....now you're telling us that when we get these items/perks you're just going to make them irrelevant...but we dont get any of those resources or our time/marks back? We just loose and loose again.....and you have the GALL to call this "providing a balanced game experience for our customers??"
As has already been explained, there is a significant difference between a shield heal and shield regeneration. The tier 4 Romulan passive is a Heal applied to each facing. It's also only a chance at a heal. The tier 4 Omega passive is a boost to the regeneration rate listed in your defense tab and on your shield itself. This is permanent.
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It's terrible but easy, and these Borg are way cooler than the mess STO and Voyager left us.
May not actually be "way" cooler or even "slightly" cooler.
Just so I'm clear here, you're stating that all PvPers are in favor of not only fixing the bug that made the passive stupidly overpowered, but also in favor of additionally nerfing said passive to a point where it has next to no positive effect?
You're certainly not an OPvPer. You're just another dilithium farmer I bet. You don't care if the gametype gets screwed by a broken passive at all, so you're not an OPvPer. OPvPers are unanimous in their support of the nerf/bugfix of the shield passive.
obviously the passive would speed up dil farming...
Try telling that to the top PvP escorts that dole out Tac Team, and their sci heals to their teammates all the time. They were doing that before the passives and will do so after the passives. Get a proper team, then you don't have to worry about playing too selfishly or about having selfish teammates.
In a joke pug, like the majority of random queued garbage PvP, you will have little to no coordination or support. It's not really an accurate picture of how the game plays out at all. Adding a stupidly broken passive just makes the games take longer in PuGs or in premade settings for no good reason. The nerf was needed to preserve balance.
Clueless PvEers are the only people who are served by the unpatched broken passive. None of the PvPers (who aren't ignorant of the gametype) wanted it in its broken state.
ok then. obviously you speak for the nebulous 'everyone'.
It's not a heal rate it's a regen rate, learn the difference before bashing people.
oh trust me, i play tank, i understand the difference between heal and ReGen. i don't need broken powers. i'm just asking to have my own butt covered for 5 seconds while i heal my team.
oh trust me, i play tank, i understand the difference between heal and ReGen. i don't need broken powers. i'm just asking to have my own butt covered for 5 seconds while i heal my team.
Might I recommend EPTS 3, RSP, Extend Shield Doff, Engie cap abilities, and likely pvp forums would have a few more goodies.
Adding the regen from a Shield Array Mk XII [Reg]x10 to whatever regen your ship already has...
...is a good thing.
If you're flying a ship with a shield modifier > 1, then it gets even better.
If you're flying a ship with a shield modifier < 1, then no - it's not as good.
A Wells is looking at ~380.
A Fleet Saber Retro is looking at ~202.
So depending on what you're flying or your style of play, maybe you'd prefer the KineticProc - but just because a bugged version of the shield passive was released and the real one is not that "good" (depending on if there were one or two bugs, it was either [Reg]x69 or [Reg]x472)...that doesn't mean that it's not a good passive nor that your shields would not be superior with that additional ~[Reg]x10 regen.
I tend to think of the 2x EPt DCE DOFFs for full uptime on EPtS and EPtA, the EPtA ME DOFF for the bonus to shield emitters/hull repair, the 3rd DCE - AtS - for the Hull HoT, and then the SDO/BFI guy.
Purp WCE +10 Shield DR for 8s. Extend runs for 30s and has a 15s CD.
Purp SDO 50% on taking damage for a X shield heal per facing. BFI lasts for 15s and has a 60s CD.
So it's +10 Shield DR for 8s every 45s (as long as you have a friendly target nearby) vs. 15s for the 50% shield heal proc every 60s.
I suppose it would be the wrong DOFF for the build I'm looking at...
What I and I'm sure others are ticked off about is the bait and switch.
We chose this skill before we knew about any "god mode shields" bug.
I chose it to add a little life to my Tactical vessels.
1k regen every six seconds is strong, but in heavy combat you'll still die, just a little slower.
Either bump the ability back to 1k per 6 seconds (I'd even be happy with something in the 700-800 range) or give us the chance to change our choice.
It was advertised before we even selected it as 1k per six seconds, we chose it as 1k per six seconds.
We should not be punished because it wasn't tested properly.
1k per six seconds totals to roughly 167 regen a second.
using my regen rate on my Mobius temporal destroyer with MK XI Maco shields I have a regen rate of 275.2 every six seconds.
That totals out to roughly 46 shield regen per second.
That's horrible. For the work that went into getting to this skill and hte fact that it was advertised in the rep line-up as 1k per 6 seconds this is a TERRIBLE smack in the players faces.
Even my proposed max of 800 per six seconds provides a boost of 133 per second. Again, that's strong but not OP.
Adding the regen from a Shield Array Mk XII [Reg]x10 to whatever regen your ship already has...
...is a good thing.
If you're flying a ship with a shield modifier > 1, then it gets even better.
If you're flying a ship with a shield modifier < 1, then no - it's not as good.
A Wells is looking at ~380.
A Fleet Saber Retro is looking at ~202.
So depending on what you're flying or your style of play, maybe you'd prefer the KineticProc - but just because a bugged version of the shield passive was released and the real one is not that "good" (depending on if there were one or two bugs, it was either [Reg]x69 or [Reg]x472)...that doesn't mean that it's not a good passive nor that your shields would not be superior with that additional ~[Reg]x10 regen.
I had no clue it was bugged when I chose it.
I chose it because it advertised 1k per 6 seconds. That was the only reason I chose it. It was a guaranteed locked rate of boosted regen.
I didn't choose it when it showed 250 per 6.
I most likely WOULDN'T choose it as such either.
Thye either need to bump the rate to a MINIMUM of 500 per six seconds (effectively doubling it and making it truly "Superior") or give people a "Do-over".
I didn't know this thing was bugged. I chose it because 1k regen every six seconds was darn useful on my tactical character.
Had I seen "250 regen every six seconds) I'd have taken my chance with the graviton booster weapon skill.
I'll say it again for the TLDR's.
Boost it or Give us a Do-over. We shouldn't be punished for a failure in the testing of a game mechanic.
Which is something of a problem since the passive shield regeneration does NOT scale as far as I can tell. This means that ships desperately trying to grab as much shield strength as they possibly can by pumping up their power level receive relatively less benefit from this perk than people running low power and relying on shield heals instead of regeneration.
For those who didn't know, when you reach Omega tier 4 reputation, one of your two upgrade choices is "superior shield repair". It's supposed to give you a chunk of shield regen every 6 seconds, effectively stacking with your shield's natural regeneration. But due to a bug, it's being added every second, making your shields regenerate at a fairly crazy rate. On Mirror Invasion, my entire team bailed out after they killed the Stadi, and I was tanking the 20-ish ships that were left behind without any trouble. I wasn't killing them quickly, but they weren't wiping the floor with me either. "Inevitable" and "relentless" spring to mind.
I know it's a bug. But.
I have to say that this is really the first time I've had my cruiser feel like a cruiser. That is, pinning down the center of a formation, shrugging off incoming fire, throwing heals at my allies. If my cruiser were this durable by design, I'd say "Hell yea I'm the tank! All aggro belongs to me! Do your worst puny man" and charge into hordes of enemies like the escort guys want cruiser guys to do.
Thing is, ordinarily, to have a cruiser that survives this well you have to be selfish with your heals. I'm sure there's somebody that is using the ridiculously exploitive thing where you have Reverse Polarity running all the time by using aux2batt and dark magic who is about to say "L2P noob", but that's not how the game is meant to work. Ordinarily I have to keep all my TSS and aux2sif and emergency power for my own benefit, and be rippling through all my stuff to make sure the cooldowns don't get out of sync and stuff. It's keeps me alive through a lot, but it forces me to be selfish.
But with this omega bug, now I can take a huge chunk of attention away from my own survive and focus on how my TEAM is doing, because my own survival doesn't require second by second adjustment and selfishness. In the last few missions I played on that ship, I've probably kept more team mates alive, thrown more support at allies, than I have in the last week combined. My personal DPS is still mediocre-to-terrible but my team's average survival rate has gone up a ton simply because I can be a more effective cruiser for them. I feel USEFUL. I feel like I am being adequately compensated for poor agility and poor tactical options with truly superior tankiness and healing, not the paltry +10% hull and shield strength that usually passes for cruiser durability.
So now I can look forward to this bug being fixed, and realizing that this new ship isn't actually anywhere near as durable as it felt at first, and going back to having to be twitchy to stay alive and being selfish with my heals. But it makes me sad because I really like this new gameplay of being the formation anchor and compensating for my low damage contribution with high support contribution. And it makes me wish that cruisers in general could get some kind of love toward this goal. If they choose to play this way.
Anyway. I like being uber-tank. Gonna miss it.
You Happy Now ! its nerfed fixed now and why couldnt you have posted just fix the bug on 6 sec instead of saying it needs a nerf wth
I might have come off a little harsh or snappy with what I said, and I apologize for that.
While I do not agree that it needs to be bumped - I mean, just compare the shield regen offered by the various abilities and shields - well, a base of 262.5 per 6 is pretty damn good...
...it's hard to argue that Cryptic shouldn't offer that respec or a rep respec so that players can make a more informed choice in the matter. I think that after some research, players are more than likely to end up taking the shield passive in the end anyway.
Cryptic won't do that though... they never do it, meh. There's been more than a few things in the past year where one would be hard pressed to argue against Cryptic offering a respec - yet, it never happened, meh.
I'm not sure anybody outside of those that like to oppose just to oppose is actually against Cryptic doing the rep respec in this case...and well, Cryptic.
Though, in looking at the KineticProc - I don't expect it to the stay the way it is for very long. So it might end up with folks wanting a free respec to change again...meh.
I mean, it's 751.4 damage - period. Buffs, debuffs, resists - nothing changes the damage - it's always 751.4.
Tbh, I'm glad they did. Keep in mind this is a regen value NOT a heal/repair. There are many factors that go into shield regen. Think of how much better the Omega/Maco/Borg shields regen than the KHG or the high cap story line shields w/negative regen. The difference between the max shield and worst shields is ~200 and is very noticable.
Remember there's still the proc'ing shield repair consoles that were added via the embassy. There's also Fleet shields w/better stats than STF shields and the Romulan shield changes.
This is still a very good ability assuming it's working as intended and a regen ability and not a repair.
I do not care about regen or shield repair values, or about proc'ing shield repair consoles that were added via the embassy that I won't ever be equipping because I do not have the room for them nor do I know if I'll ever even have the option to purchase them, nor do I care about fleet shields or romulan shield changes. I care about choosing a shield ability for 1,050 heal every 6 seconds that I've had my eyes on since the rep system was released and having it nerfed to 262 which makes it ****ing worthless. You can spin it however you like to make yourself feel better about it, but when people start justifying nerfs within a AA system by bringing up unrelated options i.e. shield regen gear setups, there are problems. It's a worthless passive. One turret shot nullifies it's very existence. That's how worthless it is. I'm not doing this ****ty reputation system for my health. It's supposed to be a AA system. Where's the beef? Don't even get me started on the crappy T5 rewards and their 10 minute cooldowns.
I demand my free redo since a 750 kin proc with a measly 2.5% chance is vastly superior to a 262(360 on my eng) shield regen every 6 seconds. It wouldn't be damn useful if it ticked every second like it was doing at 1k+ per tick. As things were minus the bug, it was a pretty good toss up, you could either go DPS or survival. Both were insignificant, but both were useful as perks of going through the rep tiers and against the tiresome borg. Now shields are just plain worthless and only a fool would choose the shields over the proc. What is essentially a standard shield regen mod that doesn't scale has no business being a T4 omega rep passive reward when compared to it's counterpart kinetic proc. My mind hasn't been this boggled about developer decision making since FFXIV.
I'm not willing to compromise jack on this issue. Either give me back what I had that cost me my one T4 point or give my one T4 point back so I can spend it on an useful option. Period. I'm not up for anymore nerfs to items AFTER I've purchased them and am essentially told with a smirk, "oh well better luck next time, no refund for youuuuuuu" This time there wasn't dollars spent but it's still a "purchase". Enough is finally enough.
Which is something of a problem since the passive shield regeneration does NOT scale as far as I can tell. This means that ships desperately trying to grab as much shield strength as they possibly can by pumping up their power level receive relatively less benefit from this perk than people running low power and relying on shield heals instead of regeneration.
This is something to consider - the unable to tell aspect. The spot's there for it now, but they don't list it there yet.
With all the discussions taking place about it not being a heal - it's odd that so many of it still treated it as a heal while saying it wasn't.
As a bonus to your ship's shield regen - one could easily make the case that it goes either way. Either it is affected by Shield Power or it's not...
...they really need to show the numbers for the shield regen there in the defense section - they've got the label - add the numbers...meh.
I too miss my blatantly broken shield heal. I demand you restore my godlike shield healing so that I can faceroll PvE even harder and pretend I know what I'm doing in PvP.
It is unfair of you to bring passives in line with how the game works, and you should know better than to fix things that are clearly broken.
Signed,
Me
This is pretty much what I'm seeing.
I'll never understand what all the fuss is about, the whole idea of these passives are that they are little nice to haves, a sprinkle of sugar on top of unlocking the next tier of your reputation. I've never treated them as significant traits absolutely necessary to play the game.
The cynical side of me is also pretty sure that most of the moaning is from tac officers who were able to sit still and shoot things without getting blown up so often, instead of constantly moving with hit & run attacks like they are supposed to. But I digress.
No-ones lost anything, you pay for the reputation and the projects unlocked - not for the passive.
It really would be a great move on Cryptic's part if they started providing free respecs with each patch. They don't seem to have the resources to provide decent enough quality assurance so the least they could do is make it easier for people to adjust to patch adjustments.
I'm a firm believer in a person's right to shoot him or herself in the foot that that's what they want to do. That being said, anyone running away from this ability because it's suddenly "useless" is demonstrating a clear lack of understanding and I don't know how to make it any more clear.
This passive adds roughly the equivalent of a free emergency power to shields 1 (it adds around 22 points to shield power and shield power adds resistance to your shields) with the added benefit of being active permanently.
It's a better boost to your regeneration rate (although not to your power level) than spending 9 points in the expensive Starship Shield Performance section of your skill tree.
It's like having 2~ extra Science console slots running 2~ Shield Amplifiers for free.
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It's terrible but easy, and these Borg are way cooler than the mess STO and Voyager left us.
May not actually be "way" cooler or even "slightly" cooler.
Well, the ability itself had a few problems. The regeneration was supposed to occur only once every 6 seconds (like normal shield regen does) but for some reason it seemed to be regenerating as often as every 1 second.
The next part of the problem was in the way that regeneration rate is shown in the shield tool tips and the defense tab. When the game reports the regen rate it does so with the understanding that the rate is applied to each of the 4 shield facings. As such, the current regen bonus is roughly 1/4th of what it was, which is actually how it was intended. Unfortunately, someone wrote it up wrong, or maybe performed a bad copy and paste job from the Tier 4 Romulan passive and inflated the value.
They called it a drastic reduction, which this was compared to the rather significant mistake that was originally, and unfortunately, released. It might have been better if Cryptic had called it was it was, a correction to one of their mistakes. People got a taste of what it was while broken and liked it. Now they are annoyed and overreacting, calling it worthless. Don't get caught up in the hype.
Cryptic did a good job fixing this problem (although they could have thrown us some free respecs) and it is still a very nice passive.
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It's terrible but easy, and these Borg are way cooler than the mess STO and Voyager left us.
May not actually be "way" cooler or even "slightly" cooler.
Superior shield regen is now is pointless it does nothing you dont notice it at all its not what you advertised its not what i picked we have been ripped off
Give people a chance to change their choice because you changed the prize and it was not meant to be 250 per facing so stop saying that.
Your telling me it takes all those marks and EC to get 250 regen every 6 seconds nobody would choose that.
someone should do the math on the exact cost to get tier 4 it's not nearly worth the prize
how is it like running 2 shield apms for free? I got tier 4 for free? dont think so
It's not that complicated. For the example regarding the Shield Emitter Amplifier (those are the +% regen Sci Consoles), once you've unlocked this passive it's roughly the equivalent of your ship having it's current console load out PLUS 2 more MK X~ Shield Amplifiers. These are all very good bonus powers/abilities without necessarily being over powered. Anyone running them has an edge over anyone who does not.
I'm certainly not trying to defend the grind or the fact that Cryptic hasn't offered a way to respec because people don't understand the game and feel cheated. If you selected this ability you aren't in the bad shape you think you are.
I can't help but notice that no one is in an uproar of the tier 2 hull recovery passive. If Cryptic hadn't made their little plug-in/copy and paste error then none of this would have been an issue. They should allow a free respec, owning up to their simple mistake, but anyone who pays attention is just going to be jumping back to this one again somewhere down the road.
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It's terrible but easy, and these Borg are way cooler than the mess STO and Voyager left us.
May not actually be "way" cooler or even "slightly" cooler.
I cannot believe the ignorance in this thread. No wonder no one can agree on balance issues when such blatantly powerful things are considered 'worthless' and things that are disturbingly overpowered are viewed as 'balanced'.
Here is a simple primer on how combat works, DPS vs Sustain OR Burst vs Buffer.
DPS: Damage per Second
Base Damage + Bonuses * Crit Mod * Dmg Mod * Wpn Power Mod
(Note, base damage increases by nearly 10 fold by the end to create real dps)
Sustain: Damage per Second healed/reduced/ignored
Base Regen + Regen Bonuses + Heals * Resist Mod * Avoidance Mod
(Note, total regen typically is tripled by mods in the end)
Now when the majority of content can be tanked in a ship with less than 3k sustain per second and you have a single passive ability that doesn't even count doffs, boff abilities, equipment, power level, etc, that offers what it currently offers it is still really freaking good. If you take this ability with a Epower to Shields and your ship explodes you did something wrong. Like kept your shield power setting really low for no reason.
This single passive ability (out of 8 you currently get) can provide nearly a fifth of the required defense for your ship by itself in a standard build. That is really really good.
But Cryptic Should Provide A Free Respec For This Change And Others
It was Extremely over powered. During that time, i never had to shield heal at all. In stfs, and battle royal elite. Now it is what i would call normal. It still works, and i shield heal less than i did without it. So its still functional and i like it.
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I too miss my blatantly broken shield heal. I demand you restore my godlike shield healing so that I can faceroll PvE even harder and pretend I know what I'm doing in PvP.
It is unfair of you to bring passives in line with how the game works, and you should know better than to fix things that are clearly broken.
Signed,
Me
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You didn't max shield power, nor did you pop epts, and you're using a ship w/negative shield regen mods ... people plz learn how this stuff works.
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Prove to me you have a clue what the difference between shield regen and shield repairs are before you go insulting other players.
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It's not a heal rate it's a regen rate, learn the difference before bashing people.
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The Tier 4 Omega Passive is basically the same as +22 Shield Power. This is equal to a free, permanent, emergency power to shields. Another way to look at it is that when you reach 125 Shield Power your regeneration rate is capped and can not even be boosted by EPtS. The passive adds a flat 262.5 which is the equivalent of a couple of Shield Emitter Amplifier Consoles (2 free console slots) for free.
As has already been explained, there is a significant difference between a shield heal and shield regeneration. The tier 4 Romulan passive is a Heal applied to each facing. It's also only a chance at a heal. The tier 4 Omega passive is a boost to the regeneration rate listed in your defense tab and on your shield itself. This is permanent.
It's terrible but easy, and these Borg are way cooler than the mess STO and Voyager left us.
obviously the passive would speed up dil farming...
ok then. obviously you speak for the nebulous 'everyone'.
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oh trust me, i play tank, i understand the difference between heal and ReGen. i don't need broken powers. i'm just asking to have my own butt covered for 5 seconds while i heal my team.
Might I recommend EPTS 3, RSP, Extend Shield Doff, Engie cap abilities, and likely pvp forums would have a few more goodies.
...is a good thing.
If you're flying a ship with a shield modifier > 1, then it gets even better.
If you're flying a ship with a shield modifier < 1, then no - it's not as good.
A Wells is looking at ~380.
A Fleet Saber Retro is looking at ~202.
So depending on what you're flying or your style of play, maybe you'd prefer the KineticProc - but just because a bugged version of the shield passive was released and the real one is not that "good" (depending on if there were one or two bugs, it was either [Reg]x69 or [Reg]x472)...that doesn't mean that it's not a good passive nor that your shields would not be superior with that additional ~[Reg]x10 regen.
How have folks felt about that DOFF?
I tend to think of the 2x EPt DCE DOFFs for full uptime on EPtS and EPtA, the EPtA ME DOFF for the bonus to shield emitters/hull repair, the 3rd DCE - AtS - for the Hull HoT, and then the SDO/BFI guy.
Purp WCE +10 Shield DR for 8s. Extend runs for 30s and has a 15s CD.
Purp SDO 50% on taking damage for a X shield heal per facing. BFI lasts for 15s and has a 60s CD.
So it's +10 Shield DR for 8s every 45s (as long as you have a friendly target nearby) vs. 15s for the 50% shield heal proc every 60s.
I suppose it would be the wrong DOFF for the build I'm looking at...
We chose this skill before we knew about any "god mode shields" bug.
I chose it to add a little life to my Tactical vessels.
1k regen every six seconds is strong, but in heavy combat you'll still die, just a little slower.
Either bump the ability back to 1k per 6 seconds (I'd even be happy with something in the 700-800 range) or give us the chance to change our choice.
It was advertised before we even selected it as 1k per six seconds, we chose it as 1k per six seconds.
We should not be punished because it wasn't tested properly.
1k per six seconds totals to roughly 167 regen a second.
using my regen rate on my Mobius temporal destroyer with MK XI Maco shields I have a regen rate of 275.2 every six seconds.
That totals out to roughly 46 shield regen per second.
That's horrible. For the work that went into getting to this skill and hte fact that it was advertised in the rep line-up as 1k per 6 seconds this is a TERRIBLE smack in the players faces.
Even my proposed max of 800 per six seconds provides a boost of 133 per second. Again, that's strong but not OP.
I had no clue it was bugged when I chose it.
I chose it because it advertised 1k per 6 seconds. That was the only reason I chose it. It was a guaranteed locked rate of boosted regen.
I didn't choose it when it showed 250 per 6.
I most likely WOULDN'T choose it as such either.
Thye either need to bump the rate to a MINIMUM of 500 per six seconds (effectively doubling it and making it truly "Superior") or give people a "Do-over".
I didn't know this thing was bugged. I chose it because 1k regen every six seconds was darn useful on my tactical character.
Had I seen "250 regen every six seconds) I'd have taken my chance with the graviton booster weapon skill.
I'll say it again for the TLDR's.
Boost it or Give us a Do-over. We shouldn't be punished for a failure in the testing of a game mechanic.
Er, the 275 is in addition to the regen you're getting from the MACO shield. Depending on your skills, you're looking at 430-450+ or so total regen.
Running a single ISE a day is work?
Shield regeneration rates are 100% (the listed value) at 50 power, and increase by 4% per point of shield power. This gives:
Power level = Regeneration rate
50 = 100%
75 = 200%
100 = 300%
125 = 400%
Which is something of a problem since the passive shield regeneration does NOT scale as far as I can tell. This means that ships desperately trying to grab as much shield strength as they possibly can by pumping up their power level receive relatively less benefit from this perk than people running low power and relying on shield heals instead of regeneration.
Considering I wouldn't be running it otherwise, yes.
My point stands. It was advertised as 1k per six seconds. That was changed AFTER it was purchased.
They need to bump it up or give us a respec for the tier 4 ability.
You Happy Now ! its nerfed fixed now and why couldnt you have posted just fix the bug on 6 sec instead of saying it needs a nerf wth
While I do not agree that it needs to be bumped - I mean, just compare the shield regen offered by the various abilities and shields - well, a base of 262.5 per 6 is pretty damn good...
...it's hard to argue that Cryptic shouldn't offer that respec or a rep respec so that players can make a more informed choice in the matter. I think that after some research, players are more than likely to end up taking the shield passive in the end anyway.
Cryptic won't do that though... they never do it, meh. There's been more than a few things in the past year where one would be hard pressed to argue against Cryptic offering a respec - yet, it never happened, meh.
I'm not sure anybody outside of those that like to oppose just to oppose is actually against Cryptic doing the rep respec in this case...and well, Cryptic.
Though, in looking at the KineticProc - I don't expect it to the stay the way it is for very long. So it might end up with folks wanting a free respec to change again...meh.
I mean, it's 751.4 damage - period. Buffs, debuffs, resists - nothing changes the damage - it's always 751.4.
I demand my free redo since a 750 kin proc with a measly 2.5% chance is vastly superior to a 262(360 on my eng) shield regen every 6 seconds. It wouldn't be damn useful if it ticked every second like it was doing at 1k+ per tick. As things were minus the bug, it was a pretty good toss up, you could either go DPS or survival. Both were insignificant, but both were useful as perks of going through the rep tiers and against the tiresome borg. Now shields are just plain worthless and only a fool would choose the shields over the proc. What is essentially a standard shield regen mod that doesn't scale has no business being a T4 omega rep passive reward when compared to it's counterpart kinetic proc. My mind hasn't been this boggled about developer decision making since FFXIV.
I'm not willing to compromise jack on this issue. Either give me back what I had that cost me my one T4 point or give my one T4 point back so I can spend it on an useful option. Period. I'm not up for anymore nerfs to items AFTER I've purchased them and am essentially told with a smirk, "oh well better luck next time, no refund for youuuuuuu" This time there wasn't dollars spent but it's still a "purchase". Enough is finally enough.
This is something to consider - the unable to tell aspect. The spot's there for it now, but they don't list it there yet.
With all the discussions taking place about it not being a heal - it's odd that so many of it still treated it as a heal while saying it wasn't.
As a bonus to your ship's shield regen - one could easily make the case that it goes either way. Either it is affected by Shield Power or it's not...
...they really need to show the numbers for the shield regen there in the defense section - they've got the label - add the numbers...meh.
This is pretty much what I'm seeing.
I'll never understand what all the fuss is about, the whole idea of these passives are that they are little nice to haves, a sprinkle of sugar on top of unlocking the next tier of your reputation. I've never treated them as significant traits absolutely necessary to play the game.
The cynical side of me is also pretty sure that most of the moaning is from tac officers who were able to sit still and shoot things without getting blown up so often, instead of constantly moving with hit & run attacks like they are supposed to. But I digress.
No-ones lost anything, you pay for the reputation and the projects unlocked - not for the passive.
I'm a firm believer in a person's right to shoot him or herself in the foot that that's what they want to do. That being said, anyone running away from this ability because it's suddenly "useless" is demonstrating a clear lack of understanding and I don't know how to make it any more clear.
This passive adds roughly the equivalent of a free emergency power to shields 1 (it adds around 22 points to shield power and shield power adds resistance to your shields) with the added benefit of being active permanently.
It's a better boost to your regeneration rate (although not to your power level) than spending 9 points in the expensive Starship Shield Performance section of your skill tree.
It's like having 2~ extra Science console slots running 2~ Shield Amplifiers for free.
It's terrible but easy, and these Borg are way cooler than the mess STO and Voyager left us.
The next part of the problem was in the way that regeneration rate is shown in the shield tool tips and the defense tab. When the game reports the regen rate it does so with the understanding that the rate is applied to each of the 4 shield facings. As such, the current regen bonus is roughly 1/4th of what it was, which is actually how it was intended. Unfortunately, someone wrote it up wrong, or maybe performed a bad copy and paste job from the Tier 4 Romulan passive and inflated the value.
They called it a drastic reduction, which this was compared to the rather significant mistake that was originally, and unfortunately, released. It might have been better if Cryptic had called it was it was, a correction to one of their mistakes. People got a taste of what it was while broken and liked it. Now they are annoyed and overreacting, calling it worthless. Don't get caught up in the hype.
Cryptic did a good job fixing this problem (although they could have thrown us some free respecs) and it is still a very nice passive.
It's terrible but easy, and these Borg are way cooler than the mess STO and Voyager left us.
Give people a chance to change their choice because you changed the prize and it was not meant to be 250 per facing so stop saying that.
Your telling me it takes all those marks and EC to get 250 regen every 6 seconds nobody would choose that.
someone should do the math on the exact cost to get tier 4 it's not nearly worth the prize
how is it like running 2 shield apms for free? I got tier 4 for free? dont think so
I'm certainly not trying to defend the grind or the fact that Cryptic hasn't offered a way to respec because people don't understand the game and feel cheated. If you selected this ability you aren't in the bad shape you think you are.
I can't help but notice that no one is in an uproar of the tier 2 hull recovery passive. If Cryptic hadn't made their little plug-in/copy and paste error then none of this would have been an issue. They should allow a free respec, owning up to their simple mistake, but anyone who pays attention is just going to be jumping back to this one again somewhere down the road.
It's terrible but easy, and these Borg are way cooler than the mess STO and Voyager left us.
Here is a simple primer on how combat works, DPS vs Sustain OR Burst vs Buffer.
DPS: Damage per Second
Base Damage + Bonuses * Crit Mod * Dmg Mod * Wpn Power Mod
(Note, base damage increases by nearly 10 fold by the end to create real dps)
Sustain: Damage per Second healed/reduced/ignored
Base Regen + Regen Bonuses + Heals * Resist Mod * Avoidance Mod
(Note, total regen typically is tripled by mods in the end)
Now when the majority of content can be tanked in a ship with less than 3k sustain per second and you have a single passive ability that doesn't even count doffs, boff abilities, equipment, power level, etc, that offers what it currently offers it is still really freaking good. If you take this ability with a Epower to Shields and your ship explodes you did something wrong. Like kept your shield power setting really low for no reason.
This single passive ability (out of 8 you currently get) can provide nearly a fifth of the required defense for your ship by itself in a standard build. That is really really good.
But Cryptic Should Provide A Free Respec For This Change And Others