It's clear the last few posters may not have gotten the gist of the OP. It was summed up as several fleets being wiped out in short order order the other day, apparently at no fault of the leader or anyone from the fleet:
The person who nuked the fleets was able to give himself GM privileges and invite themselves to the fleet without members inviting him. He then proceeded to wipe out the fleet. From the information I have heard he did this out of PURE SPITE. This happened to at least 15 different fleets, happened over the period of about an hour. There is NO alternate explanation PERIOD. So please stop trying make it look like anything else other than what it is. I know for a fact that LOD was one of the fleets this happened to, also apparently Sad Pandas got hit
(1) Smaller fleets are burning out. Twenty to fifty people are trying to do what four hundred people are doing. Smaller fleets cannot make it past the heavy resource requirements of tier two and three.
(2) Since some of the tier three and four fleets are giving away provisions, the smaller fleets are having a hard time staying in tact. Smaller fleets cannot compete with the recruitment perks, which the higher tier fleets are able to give away.
(3) As a result of trying to tackle everything at once, (fleet bases, reputation system, and embassies), smaller fleets are feeling discouraged. People are giving up.
(4) Recruitment pool has dwindled. Since the majority of the players already belong to fleets, smaller fleets are having a hard time recruiting new members.
(5) Cost of limited time featured projects are a morale killer. Projects such as these should be sold for 100,000 dilithium, for they are meant to boost a fleet's morale and social capabilities.
(6) Fleet politics and greed.
While Cryptic is considering the resource requirement issue, they are not stepping back to see the whole picture.
My solution...
(1) Reduce the resource requirements across the board (fleet bases and embassies), so that a fleet of a hundred players can reach tier five.
(2) Reduce the recruitment/size cap of fleets. Instead of allowing them to become four hundred members strong, lower the maximum fleet size to between 150 and 200 members.
Why does Cryptic only want a handful of fleets to exist?
While these are valid sentiments, this thread is about an individual with a revenge motive, trashing fleets because of HIS bad attitude necessitating his removal from the fleet.
While these are valid sentiments, this thread is about an individual with a revenge motive, trashing fleets because of HIS bad attitude necessitating his removal from the fleet.
Oh, okay. No problem. I should have read a little bit more.
So it is a bug or someone exploiting one, wouldn't be the first. Will be interesting how long it will take cryptic to fully restore them and solve the problem, i estimate 5 month to identify the problem...another 2 to solve it.:D
And when it is solved i'm interested what got broken in return.
never the less, pretty sure all will be restored in a few days.
It has to be something like that, I mean people can get desperate enough to attempt to buy gold, especially after S7.
Two things, no three:
1. Leaders attempted to buy gold
2. Hijacked due to key loggers or Member Hostile take over
3. (Hard one to believe) - Mysterious Dev going Rogue over at Cryptic Studios :P
4. Player finding exploit to endow himself with GM powers and going to town on fleets. This is not unthinkable and has happened in the past with dreadful results. Not in this game but others. There is a fifth possiblity however...god help us if thats the case.
5. Goonswarm Trolling. Dont believe me? Trust me they've done it on larger scales than this.
Damn Goonswarm. If they have infiltrated STO then space-born MMOs are doomed.
STAY IN EVE GOONSWARM!!
... ahem ...
Fleets also need to do their due diligence: don;t throw out Fleet invites to just anyone. Actively recruit by chatting up the player. Know your fleetmates, don't just get bodies in the Fleet in order to advance the Starbase.
To the best of my knowledge a Fleet cannot simply "disappear". Someone in the Fleet has to be the correct rank and that rank has to have the correct permissions (set by the Leader or Officers depending on who has access to even make permission changes within the Fleet) in order to remove Fleet members.
As I mentioned previously in this thread, please do file a GM ticket as the information is still important for an investigation.
It wasn't he said she said silliness. The person who nuked the fleets was able to give himself GM privileges and invite themselves to the fleet without members inviting him. He then proceeded to wipe out the fleet. From the information I have heard he did this out of PURE SPITE. This happened to at least 15 different fleets, happened over the period of about an hour. There is NO alternate explanation PERIOD. So please stop trying make it look like anything else other than what it is. I know for a fact that LOD was one of the fleets this happened to, also apparently Sad Pandas got hit
That considerably more specific. Now we have gone from fleet disappearing to fleets being target as to the pandas I happen to have one few still active on my friends list I'll ask him, we will know pretty quick if this for real.
If this is the result of hacking I'm sure something can be done to undo it. If this is something else then we can get answers. Ether way everyone should double check their account security.
Weeeellll, obviously we have a hacker here in STO. He's climbing in yo transparent aluminum viewports, he's snatching yo fleeties up, trying to haxxor so you need to hide yo fleet, hide yo starbase, and hide yo dil cause they haxing everybody out here.
_______________ CommanderDonatra@Capt.Sisko: ahhh is it supposed to do that? Norvo Tigan@dontdrunkimshoot: hell ya, maybe
Weeeellll, obviously we have a hacker here in STO. He's climbing in yo transparent aluminum viewports, he's snatching yo fleeties up, trying to haxxor so you need to hide yo fleet, hide yo starbase, and hide yo dil cause they haxing everybody out here.
Bwahahahahahaha!
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May not actually be "way" cooler or even "slightly" cooler.
Weeeellll, obviously we have a hacker here in STO. He's climbing in yo transparent aluminum viewports, he's snatching yo fleeties up, trying to haxxor so you need to hide yo fleet, hide yo starbase, and hide yo dil cause they haxing everybody out here.
Recently I've had a small issue with fleet info taking 5-15seconds to load, so for that period of time the fleet screen is blank. Also have seen this only once, where I had to relog an alt to get fleet info to display. This started within the last two weeks.
90% of the time fleet info appears within 500ms of the fleet dialog opening(most of the time it appears as soon as the dialog is opened). I have alot of alts and switch often in same account and different accounts.
Path to 2409: Martok made the definitive statement of the Klingon Empire's view of the Romulan Star Empire in 2388. "
The Klingons will offer no treaty, no aid, and no hand that is not holding a blade"
Damn Goonswarm. If they have infiltrated STO then space-born MMOs are doomed.
STAY IN EVE GOONSWARM!!
... ahem ...
Fleets also need to do their due diligence: don;t throw out Fleet invites to just anyone. Actively recruit by chatting up the player. Know your fleetmates, don't just get bodies in the Fleet in order to advance the Starbase.
I get your fear, Goonswarm has done on larger scales than this. They tore apart BoB from the inside an operation that took years. It has to be considered at least a possiblity because this is something they'd do.
I get your fear, Goonswarm has done on larger scales than this. They tore apart BoB from the inside an operation that took years. It has to be considered at least a possiblity because this is something they'd do.
It is less likely a Goonswarm attack (known here as Starfleet Dental) than it is a Cryptic database bug that hasn't been found yet.
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While these are valid sentiments, this thread is about an individual with a revenge motive, trashing fleets because of HIS bad attitude necessitating his removal from the fleet.
My apology.
I removed the post.
And when it is solved i'm interested what got broken in return.
never the less, pretty sure all will be restored in a few days.
I would do a wipe and reinstall along with a password change of STO.
I heard this happened to the Pandas. I have a very hard time imagining one of them buying gold.
I think something else is the issue.
Only a rumor that I can't log in to verify.
It has to be something like that, I mean people can get desperate enough to attempt to buy gold, especially after S7.
Two things, no three:
1. Leaders attempted to buy gold
2. Hijacked due to key loggers or Member Hostile take over
3. (Hard one to believe) - Mysterious Dev going Rogue over at Cryptic Studios :P
4. Player finding exploit to endow himself with GM powers and going to town on fleets. This is not unthinkable and has happened in the past with dreadful results. Not in this game but others. There is a fifth possiblity however...god help us if thats the case.
5. Goonswarm Trolling. Dont believe me? Trust me they've done it on larger scales than this.
STAY IN EVE GOONSWARM!!
... ahem ...
Fleets also need to do their due diligence: don;t throw out Fleet invites to just anyone. Actively recruit by chatting up the player. Know your fleetmates, don't just get bodies in the Fleet in order to advance the Starbase.
To the best of my knowledge a Fleet cannot simply "disappear". Someone in the Fleet has to be the correct rank and that rank has to have the correct permissions (set by the Leader or Officers depending on who has access to even make permission changes within the Fleet) in order to remove Fleet members.
As I mentioned previously in this thread, please do file a GM ticket as the information is still important for an investigation.
Cheers,
Brandon =/\=
That considerably more specific. Now we have gone from fleet disappearing to fleets being target as to the pandas I happen to have one few still active on my friends list I'll ask him, we will know pretty quick if this for real.
If this is the result of hacking I'm sure something can be done to undo it. If this is something else then we can get answers. Ether way everyone should double check their account security.
I'm keeping things going until their invertible return.
I must announce that the Ponycor took over control of the Pandas. Please stay tight until further notice!
The new ponycor comes in the shape of a purple raven.
Brandflake got a pink slip and on his last day screwed the pve community? Could be...
Except that I've been posting on the forums and frontpage news posts all day :rolleyes:
Cheers,
Brandon =/\=
CommanderDonatra@Capt.Sisko: ahhh is it supposed to do that?
Norvo Tigan@dontdrunkimshoot: hell ya, maybe
Bwahahahahahaha!
It's terrible but easy, and these Borg are way cooler than the mess STO and Voyager left us.
LMFAO!!!!!! :eek:
how do we know your the real Branflakes and not some Kellogg knock off :P
90% of the time fleet info appears within 500ms of the fleet dialog opening(most of the time it appears as soon as the dialog is opened). I have alot of alts and switch often in same account and different accounts.
Path to 2409: Martok made the definitive statement of the Klingon Empire's view of the Romulan Star Empire in 2388. "
The Klingons will offer no treaty, no aid, and no hand that is not holding a blade"
I get your fear, Goonswarm has done on larger scales than this. They tore apart BoB from the inside an operation that took years. It has to be considered at least a possiblity because this is something they'd do.
It is less likely a Goonswarm attack (known here as Starfleet Dental) than it is a Cryptic database bug that hasn't been found yet.
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