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  • zeuxidemus001zeuxidemus001 Member Posts: 3,357 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    levi3 wrote: »
    What I said in my main thread in STO Discussion:

    Its rough but I don't think Cryptic or PWE understand the mitigating factors behind their decisions with things like nerfing fed dilithium intake and not developing the KDF at all for this year.

    First things first the KDF are the primary generators of dilithium and then the loss of how the foundry daily works, and the btran going away is virtually going to cripple the federation influx of dilithium to this economy of dilithium exchange. The impass is going to be as the more heavily KDF invested KDF lose interest in dilithium marauding farming and pi canis farming because of nothing to spend it on for their faction and the fact the federation is virtually being cut down to nothing with this dilithium change. Its going to be a critical tanking of the dilithium economy.

    The upside is you will get more dilithium for your zen or c points. But the hard line is that you will basically be fighting the low supply of it coming from players. Its all about supply and demand... Klingons make supply but if they have no demand to exchange for zen with nothing coming in that dies. Feds getting their low supply cut even more that kills it too so its going to force more people to pay real money but its really only going to hurt the federation side mostly because the KDF are sick of this and will go elsewhere if nothing new is going on for them

    Anyways thats my take on nerfing without thinking.
  • docroadie69docroadie69 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    [*]The Dilithium reward has been removed from the Chart the B'Tran Cluster, Vice Admiral - Daily, mission.

    Seriously??

    Does anyone in cryptic really play the game?? I mean sure, you program it, test it, tweak it, program some more, make changes, test it out.. then release it. But do you really play the game from our (the people who pay your damn paycheck) point of view that when you make changes like this--you know it's going to TRIBBLE a lot of people off.
    Then again, I'm almost guessing that you purposely make changes to see how many people do get pissed off because you have a betting pool going. This week Dstahl wins--only 43 people got pissed at that change....

    :mad::mad:
  • trek21trek21 Member Posts: 2,246 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Eh, double 1440 rewards was a little unfair, I thought ;) I enjoyed it while it lasted, but I suspected this might come. Now it has

    And while the forums have claimed the game would die because of one reason or another, the game has proven them wrong since the beginning. So I simply think the game will get to Season 8's release, and probably beyond :)

    Hell knows I'll be here, as none of the other MMO's interest me, F2P or otherwise :D

    And before anyone suspects otherwise, this is a serious statement.
    Was named Trek17.

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  • thunderfoot#5163 thunderfoot Member Posts: 4,545 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Wow. Lifelong Star Trek fan that I am. I was very enthused about STO when I started playing it. It was fun and exciting and enjoyable. Gave some serious thought to purchasing a subscription around Christmas time. I am now very glad I have not yet done so. I cannot afford to spend the hours it will take to achieve even the most basic gear. Nor with the way said gear has been nerfed to destruction, do I think STO is worth spending Real Money on any longer.

    Not mad. Not foaming at the mouth and raving. "Disappointed - again", sums up precisely how I feel. Pretty safe guess I am not the only one. There are other far less exasperating ways to get get my Star Trek fix. If you guys wanted me to use those instead of STO you could have simply asked.
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  • daywalkerhawkdaywalkerhawk Member Posts: 86 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    If memory serves... at least for the exchange mission I saw.. 5 Borg Neurals + 1d 16h for 1000 Dilithium... For those of us who could trade in the Tech, Salvage, and EDC... thats a huge hit... I wouldn't look there for a dilithium replacement.

    I could be wrong... but thats what I have seen... maybe someone who has unlocked a higher level has more insight.

    the Mission only takes 15 Seconds and is used in the Upgrade slot.
  • captainrevo1captainrevo1 Member Posts: 3,948 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Why not make dilithium a true time based currency and make nearly all missions give a reward, even if its range from 50-250 dilithium?

    Right now you could spend an hour on new romulus, half an hour in the new sector block, two hours playing FE, and another hour on events and not earn any dilithium. that's not a time based currency then. to get it people are forced to do that deferi daily or fleet action they have done a hundred times. how is that in any way enjoyable, when there is new stuff to play?

    if every mission had a tiny amount, then if you played for 4 or 5 hours you would earn a decent chunk between 3-4 thousand by doing what you want to do, no matter what it is. its a drop in the ocean, and you still have the cap but it does not force people to play the same dailies and missions over and over again, and it wont make the nerfs so hard to take as the overall number of missions that reward it is increased.

    the fleet actions got dilithium added, thats a good start but they are still old missions. if new missions dont get dilithium added as well then it forcing people to play old stuff they might not want to do. that makes people bored and irritated and thats when they think about not bothering to play.

    EDIT - Tor is right round the corner and while i think their F2P model is rather poor, they are going to attract a shed load of people, some from this game. many however will get bored and what STO should be doing is making itself attractive to players and showing how a good F2P system works and tempting potential disillusioned players back here. Annoying everybody right now is the last thing you want to do. it just makes no sense to me.
  • martin1970giesenmartin1970giesen Member Posts: 217 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    So almost no dilitium and everything will cost dilitium, just change the Dilitium the Starbase & Ambasady need to $. We all know Cryptic have a terror-cel, how to TRIBBLE-off the player-base.
    I hope the other MMO's look to you and learn how not to do it.
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  • zeuxidemus001zeuxidemus001 Member Posts: 3,357 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    This is just me talking on equality but ummm I think diplomacy should have its own unique way of dilithium like the marauding does but not turning in contraband something more federation. The marauding is nice it fits along the lines or TOS Klingons, orions, nausicaans, gorn, and letheans. Although It would be funny seeing how they could take the story line of all those pirate type races and have them rejoin in alliance with the federation since they kinda stand for the very thing the federation is against LOL and brings me to questions on this season 7 is based upon as well.

    I'm just having a hard time finding a way to sink this in from what I know from the series to what they are trying to do to turn a buck. If it were up to many of these KDF races the romulans would be in a shock collar and sold to the highest bidder.

    As for the dilithium I think the feds should have something like negotiation contracts, mediation, and first contacts for getting dilithium like marauding does for KDF. Then all the que able missions and projects for reputation systems that give dilithium from turning in those marks when at some point they will just pile up anyways. Then on top of that to start releasing some more KDF stuff. Theres no point in heavily invested KDF players to be using dilithium for fed stuff that isnt the faction they are invested in... I have some fed toons but i rarely ever play them the fed side just doesn't feel federation to me and was hoping Cryptic would take advantage of having the most unique game where KDF could be played heavily if someone wanted too.
  • aegon1iceaegon1ice Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    [*]The Dilithium reward has been removed from the Chart the B'Tran Cluster, Vice Admiral - Daily, mission.
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    You guys are making Season more and more attractive don't you. Seriously, the recent actions taken for Dilithium requisition ingame speak loud and clear...
    Ruining gameplay by shifting it to just grind may work for the eastern market PWE seems keen about, but perhaps someone should say that this is not the case for the western market. I don't want to be biased or sth. like that, but that is what you are doing here.

    I don't like that move. Just a honest feedback from a long time player. I hope you value it at least a little bit.
  • zerobangzerobang Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    levi3 wrote: »
    Everyone calm down you can still buy dilth with Zen - just take out the credit card - it's not that hard. What's the big deal?:eek:

    yes... as long as there are people willing to part with their dilithium, with Season 7 there will be less.

    with all these nerfs you can expect to pay a lot more Zen or $ for less dilithium because the Dilithium Exchange numbers will RISE again.



    and B'Tran REALLY?
    People still play in that old crappy repetitive genesis-map shuffle box?

    anyway Cryptic really puts the hammer down on dilithium production this season...
    and yet gives us no other ways to earn it!

    i think, there has not been 1 thing left from my daily routine that did not get nerfed in Season 6 and 7,
    only the Lore Quest daily for 480 remains untouched.


    but what do i care... it's not like there would be anything in the C-Store that would be worth buying anymore since all this LockBox nonsense has started.
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  • atomictikiatomictiki Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    zerobang wrote: »
    i think, there has not been 1 thing left from my daily routine that did not get nerfed in Season 6 and 7, only the Lore Quest daily for 480 remains untouched.

    Yeah my daily routine is gone, come tuesday. Which leaves me with a lot of options on what new daily routine I want to do! I have so many options, from a long list of games on Steam to competitor MMOs.

    In a way I'm thankful that Season 7 is such a trainwreck of bad design and is so aggressively antagonistic toward the playerbase.

    P.S. I'm sure Cryptic will get around to removing that lore daily too.
    Leave nerfing to the professionals.
  • suavekssuaveks Member Posts: 1,736 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    [*]The Dilithium reward has been removed from the Chart the B'Tran Cluster, Vice Admiral - Daily, mission.
    That's just low. Completely unnecessary and in fact ridiculous in the face of upcoming dilithium grinds that Season 7 is already introducing.

    When are you going to charge us dilithium as a fuel for our ships, huh?
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  • darkenzedddarkenzedd Member Posts: 881
    edited November 2012
    I simply have nothing left to say that doesn't include a vast array of swear words regarding you, cryptic.......
  • meurikmeurik Member Posts: 856 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    We will be bringing the Tribble server down for maintenance to apply a new update.
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    General:
    • The Dilithium reward has been removed from the Chart the B'Tran Cluster, Vice Admiral - Daily, mission.

    Okay, now your just pissing me off...

    Despite the MASSIVE negative feedback in regards to the "DOff Grinder" at the Academy's (Convert 5 lower to 1 higher DOff), despite MASSIVE criticism regarding making Dilithium harder to come by. You go ahead and nerf it just that little bit more.

    NEWS FLASH! Making Dilithium harder to come by, won't make players want to play MORE. In fact, players will play LESS, to the point of QUITTING.

    Oh... and no word as to if you intend on reducing the Dilithium cost at the "DOff Grinder" to Pre-S7 levels. I asked Dstahl this ingame, and he referred to "the team knows what they are doing". REALLY?!?? Stupid f--ks is all I can add. Sorry, STO will be dead to me in S7.
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  • qjuniorqjunior Member Posts: 2,023 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    suaveks wrote: »
    That's just low. Completely unnecessary and in fact ridiculous in the face of upcoming dilithium grinds that Season 7 is already introducing.

    When are you going to charge us dilithium as a fuel for our ships, huh?

    One should note though that the KDF equivalent never had a dillithium rewards in the first place. So at least that evens out. :o
  • suavekssuaveks Member Posts: 1,736 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    qjunior wrote: »
    One should note though that the KDF equivalent never had a dillithium rewards in the first place. So at least that evens out. :o
    On the other hand, KDF have their sorties. That is... until Cryptic eventually decides to nerf their rewards as well...

    You know, part of me understands why Cryptic decided to remove this reward. The point is, the dilithium nerf is becoming a motif for Season 7 and despite all the negative feedback they're pushing this further and further. Right now it's only a matter of time before they decide to remove dilithium from Deferi and Eta Eridani dailies as well - probably with the introduction of Defera and Cardassian reputation, so they'll reward marks instead. There are less and less ways to obtain dilithium and many of them are simply not worth the time and effort, because of how low the rewards are. The only reason I played B'Tran from time to time was because it combined two missions. Now, though, I won't ever want to do this as it's way too tedious for mere 1440 dilithium.
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  • f8explorer#7814 f8explorer Member Posts: 1,328 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    levi3 wrote: »
    Everyone calm down you can still buy dilth with Zen - just take out the credit card - it's not that hard. What's the big deal?:eek:

    Ummm ...That rate will be sky rocketing soon as the exchange rate will change drastically to benefit Cryptic. ... Imagine 100 or less dilithium per zen point.
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  • f8explorer#7814 f8explorer Member Posts: 1,328 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    suaveks wrote: »
    On the other hand, KDF have their sorties. That is... until Cryptic eventually decides to nerf their rewards as well...

    You know, part of me understands why Cryptic decided to remove this reward. The point is, the dilithium nerf is becoming a motif for Season 7 and despite all the negative feedback they're pushing this further and further. Right now it's only a matter of time before they decide to remove dilithium from Deferi and Eta Eridani dailies as well - probably with the introduction of Defera and Cardassian reputation, so they'll reward marks instead. There are less and less ways to obtain dilithium and many of them are simply not worth the time and effort, because of how low the rewards are. The only reason I played B'Tran from time to time was because it combined two missions. Now, though, I won't ever want to do this as it's way too tedious for mere 1440 dilithium.

    It's coming .... Mark my words ... KDF sorties are next on the list. Bet you latnium.
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  • praxian2012praxian2012 Member Posts: 127 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Well Brandon? Zero? You guys were quick to respond when asked questions in yesterdays thread, today nothing?

    Let me answer for you guys:

    "We here @ Cryptic now have a large enough cash cow we no longer care about what our consumers think. There is no longer a reason to make Dilithium easy to get because if you want it from here on out, by god you will pay zen to get it or you won't have it.

    Or you can spend 6 hours to reach your 8,000 cap (at which time we'll nerf it again to make it 12 hours to get it)."

    /shakeshead
  • overlapooverlapo Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    After the exploration missions came up, to their surprise, in the poll they made a few weeks ago I wondered how long it would take for them to nerf the double dilithium reward. Not so long it seems, and no improvements on these missions while we are at it...
    The moral of the story? If you like something in this game, don't bring their attention to it.
  • suavekssuaveks Member Posts: 1,736 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    genhauk wrote: »
    It's coming .... Mark my words ... KDF sorties are next on the list. Bet you latnium.
    I think there are a couple of missions that are going to be removed (completely) sooner than that. Intentionally I won't call them by name in hopes Cryptic forgets about them for now.
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  • djconcentusdjconcentus Member Posts: 177 Media Corps
    edited November 2012
    • DOFF Grinder costs more dilithium
    • General Recruitment costs 1000 Dilithium
    • B'Tran Daily now gives NO dilithium
    • STF Dilithium decreased
    • Foundry Daily no longer allows for the use of push button/get bacon missions (okay, okay, this one was overdue)
    • Reputation System consumes Dilithium
    • Possibly some more stuff I missed.

    Anyone else starting to feel like Cryptic is either a) fearful that people have huge amounts of dilithium stockpiled, b) trying to push us more towards using the zen->dilithium exchange, or c) engaging in a war against those of us that only have an hour or so to play per day?
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  • sanokskyratsanokskyrat Member Posts: 479 Media Corps
    edited November 2012
    I liked the game. I mean really like the game. I have 9 toons and never had problems with support, even though I live outside the USA side of the world, in Australia.

    But if you make people mad people stop playing. I really am looking forward to new romulus but losing Dil means i get very little for my time and effort and that sucks. I but really money into the game every fortnight. 50 bucks, But i use Dil for nother stuff but right now its hard to get it come season 7. Why should i pay you anymore, if I am unhappy with the cost of things? I play 12 to 18 hours a day and i find it hard now... BEFORE you can the changes!:mad::mad::mad:
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  • f8explorer#7814 f8explorer Member Posts: 1,328 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    • General Recruitment costs 1000 Dilithium

    I missed this one ... Where is it announced and what are the details of it?
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  • meurikmeurik Member Posts: 856 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    DOff Grinder:

    Common: 500 Dilithium
    Uncommon: 2500 Dilithium
    Rare: 5000 Dilithium

    Recruitment:

    General Recruitment: 1000 Dilithium

    None of the "Species specific" recruiters require Dilithium, nor do the specific department recruitment assignments. But I suppose it won't be long until they "dilithium tax" those as well.
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  • suavekssuaveks Member Posts: 1,736 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    genhauk wrote: »
    I missed this one ... Where is it announced and what are the details of it?
    It wasn't announced. :) Players found it by accident after the first tribble update.

    I wonder how many people will complain that they're losing dilithium once this goes live. If they'll start the assignment automatically, like they always do, without checking the new requirements, then they're going to be a bit surprised...

    But seriously, aside from introducing dilithium to several fleet actions, and that one silly 480 dil tholian daily, are there any new ways to obtain this currency from Season 7 content? Because right now I can only see reduction in rewards and means to obtain it, and significant increase in costs and projects that require it (embassies, reputation).
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  • tpalelenatpalelena Member Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    I taxed my brains to its (arguable not too big) limits, but I can not find ANY good reason to cut the B'tran dilithium reward.

    It was not an exploit, it was just like any other daily mission!

    Just why?

    I can understand the Foundry daily, but this one has no excuse other then the C points.. wait, Z points store forcing.

    I can even get the lessened D reward for the STFs with the new rep system, but this one is just needless and groundless.

    Bad Cryptic. Even someone as paranoid as I did not expect such a low blow.
    Let us wear Swimsuits on Foundry maps or bridges please! I would pay zen for that.
  • picard99picard99 Member Posts: 82 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Why don't you just get rid of Dilithium altogether from playing the game, so we have to pay to do anything? It's what you guys really want, right?

    Well one more mission not to play.How is this improving anything?
  • rtk142rtk142 Member Posts: 613 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    [*]The Dilithium reward has been removed from the Chart the B'Tran Cluster, Vice Admiral - Daily, mission.

    Not cool Cryptic, not cool. I understand the changes to the foundry missions, I get that. But what's the point of even HAVING Chart the B'Tran Cluster, Vice Admiral if it it's not gonna give dilithium? It's bad enough it takes 24 hours to reset unlike most all the other dailies (except for Explore Strange New Worlds which also takes 24 hours), but for it to now not give dilithium, what's the point of it?
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  • perfectcrypticperfectcryptic Member Posts: 266 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    How about 'fix' all of the other 'exploits' and 'bugs' in the game then. Just on Otha and only one fed there who was just hanging, don't know why, I just had to agro first two groups and the fed when I rescued him just stayed there so clicky clicky clicky clicky clicky... Guess now it is mentioned they will fix it in a years time same with the console clicky.

    Total * that you reduced the amount of dilithium when dimissing doffs but exchanging doff the dilthm amount is the same.

    Just always seems to be one step forward and warp 10 backwards.
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