So will she be able to take the Fleet Vor'cha out for a dance?
No she won't.
For a few weeks maybe. But I guarantee you. FvK PvP is over. It was hanging by a thread.
I can't speak for all the KDF, and care not to, but my prediction is that the KDF are tired of this. Those that have not moved over to Feds have simply left the game.
For me this is a telltale sign that Cryptic are moving away from PvP more and more, so they do not care about PVP balance in the slightest.
Hangar bays were really too much... Seriously. Let me guess, they'll make it able to slot Danubes too.
it comes with runabouts standard. to not use runabouts, you would have to actually equip something else. so even the face rollers trying out their new toy in pvp will have a hard time not having runabouts with them. same as most of the face rolers that tried out their new armatige having peregrines
it comes with runabouts standard. to not use runabouts, you would have to actually equip something else. so even the face rollers trying out their new toy in pvp will have a hard time not having runabouts with them. same as most of the face rolers that tried out their new armatige having peregrines
Yeah, Dontdrunk, I was being sarcastic. Point still stands though; pets, lance, lolshield, cannon, heal console. Its awesome -- but once you apply that to the PvP aspect of the game, suddenly it loses that awesomeness. The day following release, every Fed will be using it.
Wait...did I just say "PvP aspect of the game"? lolwut
You think the FvK queues were dead because of Fed stuff... that the KDF are tired of things?
Wow, I must live in bizarro world - because I could have sworn the FvK queues were dead because of KDF stuff and Feds were tired of it...
I play both sides and i think The feds are by far the worst ones.. with the Danubes, Theta, AMS, GPG, 3pc time sets, etc i know you can get most of them Items both sides but feds seem to spam them more..
Yeah, Dontdrunk, I was being sarcastic. Point still stands though; pets, lance, lolshield, cannon, heal console. Its awesome -- but once you apply that to the PvP aspect of the game, suddenly it loses that awesomeness. The day following release, every Fed will be using it.
Wait...did I just say "PvP aspect of the game"? lolwut
i really don't know how cryptic could build such a solid pvp system, seriously the best i have ever played, and do nothing but make it worse and worse over time, abandoning all that good sense that allowed them to do such fine work long ago. no one that cares for anything other then a buck, and the ooo shinny factor seems to work there anymore, no one that makes any of the big dissensions. bort is the only one that sort of has our interests in mind
When both sides are complaining about the other side being overpowered, it's a pretty good indicator that both sides are just about right
I personally think the KDF is a little worse off for the bargain, but it isn't the huge imbalance some people think. The big difference is the simple one: more people play Fed, therefore more PvPers play Fed, therefore more top-tier premades are Fed, therefore more facerolling is done by Feds.
It's identical in ground PvP, where Klingons have all the good toys feds have and a few that feds don't, but still get facerolled by fed PvP fleets.
i really don't know how cryptic could build such a solid pvp system, seriously the best i have ever played, and do nothing but make it worse and worse over time, abandoning all that good sense that allowed them to do such fine work long ago. no one that cares for anything other then a buck, and the ooo shinny factor seems to work there anymore, no one that makes any of the big dissensions. bort is the only one that sort of has our interests in mind
I'm honestly hoping that DStahl was being genuine about the timeline for some changes as beginning during S7.
I'm certainly not holding my breath though. I started playing this game because of its functionality and player customization options. I have grown to love it over time, but I'm a pvper at heart -- have been since the days of DarkAgeOC (name gets censored for some reason here). Running "dungeons" repeatedly grows old very quickly, and while I really like the content in S7 (srsly Cryptic, I do), I'm turned off by the lack of communication that I've seen with pvpers.
In every other MMO that I've played, regardless of how long it lasted, I've really enjoyed that level of community responsiveness. I hope to see that in STO. I really do.
There are a lot of options for PVPers in the market, and its a playerbase that has only grown over time. From DarkAgeOCthrough the decades to now MWO and that other mech one (forget the name). And next year? Forget it. DarkAgeOC big man at the helm of the new Elder Scrolls PVP mmo? Lawd have mercy...
My first reaction was that this ship was supposed to be the fed counter to the Kar'fi given some of the spec/stats.....
Forgetting for a moment that the Kar'fi is one of the least used ships on the KDF side for more reasons than one, this ship is combining multiple ideals used on different KDF ships that when combined lead to a much more powerful ship than anything on the KDF side, or even on the fed side.
First you've got the AoE HoT that is good for every ship and role, because healers get an heal not counting that it's a group heal, and damage dealers get a spare heal and group support method. This parallels the Varanus's drone heals, only dramatically more effective since it seems to move with the ship rather than being in proximity to a stationary deployable on the KDF ship.
Secondly you've got the Hangar bay, though it's not clear if it is only for the Danubes or if can use anything on the fed side. If it can't use anything but Danubes then at least it's no good to a healer, however regardless of whether it can or not, the turn rate plus the CC of the Danubes means that it's the first fed cruiser that is viable for cannons. If it can equip anything then it's just like the Flight Deck Cruisers on the KDF side, only much more versatile due to the Boff layout.
Thirdly, you've got the combined perk from the Consoles granting the immunity field, meaning that now 2 ships on the fed side have consoles that grant extreme damage protection if/when severely pressed (the Intrepid is the other), and while the Intrepid's ablative armor has counters, we know of none for this one. On the KDF side the concept of this mirrors the Kar'fi's special console....
The Auxiliary gun is rather pointless since I'm guessing that you can only have one of them (like the quad cannon) and only 1 gun at max power at any given time is meaningless. However if you can mount more than 1, then you now have full healer and damage all in one power setting and no other ship in the game can match that in the slightest way and be effective.
Put it all together and this ship's only drawback is the 3/3 setup; its shields are stronger than any other cruiser, it's turn rate and impulse modifier are better than or on par with any other cruiser, and while it's hull strength and Engineering slots are weaker than the normal cruiser the Cmdr science slot and other stats/specs make up for it for the non-healers.
There is only one method that I can think of to effectively counter this ship, but the requirements to do are currently broken to me knowledge (unless there was a stealth fix that I didn't know about) so.......yeah.....
That being said, is this thing unbeatable? No, however I'm thinking in the 1v1 setting, for the team setting I do not know what would happen if a team brought 3 of these ships into the fold in various roles, my best guess is that it would not be pretty for the opposing team.....
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One bright spot is that with those aux DHCs, unless you can either a) equip more than one or b) have the aux power act as just a concurrent buff to normal weapons power, they'll be kinda derp. With DHCs you either go full power to weaps or go home, they don't have the strength to kill otherwise.
One bright spot is that with those aux DHCs, unless you can either a) equip more than one or b) have the aux power act as just a concurrent buff to normal weapons power, they'll be kinda derp. With DHCs you either go full power to weaps or go home, they don't have the strength to kill otherwise.
im more interested in the doors this opens, next you know we'll have an entire weapons line that use aux power instead of weapons power.
Speaking of bouncy torps - it happens all the time when I'm leveling an alt. NPC fires a torp at me - it bounces off and goes back to the NPC or one of the other NPCs... I've always found that kind of funny.
I've never seen it in PvP - but it's rare to see a HY Plasma there.
Err, the Quads use weapons power actually. yes they drian enegine, but their damage scales off weapons only, i'd bet the Aux cannon are the same, dains Aux power but scals entierly off weapons power. Also even if feds get Leech, and even if they combined that with MACO sheild, and EPtS1x2, there's going to be no way to get high Aux and high Weapons, and High Sheild power at the same time for anyting but short bursts, so whilst this is still WAY OTT, i'm betting it's not going to be quite as bad as where all fearing.
branflakes just said you can use 3 aux cannons at once, and you can use them on other ships too. this ship couldn't be a worse addition to the game, its planets of the apes over at cryptic, theres no one sane left.
Err, the Quads use weapons power actually. yes they drian enegine, but their damage scales off weapons only, i'd bet the Aux cannon are the same, dains Aux power but scals entierly off weapons power. Also even if feds get Leech, and even if they combined that with MACO sheild, and EPtS1x2, there's going to be no way to get high Aux and high Weapons, and High Sheild power at the same time for anyting but short bursts, so whilst this is still WAY OTT, i'm betting it's not going to be quite as bad as where all fearing.
from the dev blog
Multi-Mission Science Vessels come standard with a Mark XII Auxiliary Dual Heavy Phaser Cannon. This cannon is designed to utilize Auxiliary power instead of Weapon power.
Escorts with full aux power and running all ADHCs...
This helps Defiants who cloak and Armitage that need it for fighter churning. It would still be terrible in PVP as those things don't have [Acc]x3, so I think its alright. More ways to **** PVE is welcome, considering that there are so many rainbow nubs.
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branflakes just said you can use 3 aux cannons at once, and you can use them on other ships too. this ship couldn't be a worse addition to the game, its planets of the apes over at cryptic, theres no one sane left.
he then makes sure we all know that its all "subject to change"
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No she won't.
For a few weeks maybe. But I guarantee you. FvK PvP is over. It was hanging by a thread.
I can't speak for all the KDF, and care not to, but my prediction is that the KDF are tired of this. Those that have not moved over to Feds have simply left the game.
For me this is a telltale sign that Cryptic are moving away from PvP more and more, so they do not care about PVP balance in the slightest.
PvP is dead.
it comes with runabouts standard. to not use runabouts, you would have to actually equip something else. so even the face rollers trying out their new toy in pvp will have a hard time not having runabouts with them. same as most of the face rolers that tried out their new armatige having peregrines
You think the FvK queues were dead because of Fed stuff... that the KDF are tired of things?
Wow, I must live in bizarro world - because I could have sworn the FvK queues were dead because of KDF stuff and Feds were tired of it...
Yeah, Dontdrunk, I was being sarcastic. Point still stands though; pets, lance, lolshield, cannon, heal console. Its awesome -- but once you apply that to the PvP aspect of the game, suddenly it loses that awesomeness. The day following release, every Fed will be using it.
Wait...did I just say "PvP aspect of the game"? lolwut
I suppose that's what you get from a bargain bin studio when you couple it with an IP full of mary sue plot armour bs.
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I play both sides and i think The feds are by far the worst ones.. with the Danubes, Theta, AMS, GPG, 3pc time sets, etc i know you can get most of them Items both sides but feds seem to spam them more..
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i really don't know how cryptic could build such a solid pvp system, seriously the best i have ever played, and do nothing but make it worse and worse over time, abandoning all that good sense that allowed them to do such fine work long ago. no one that cares for anything other then a buck, and the ooo shinny factor seems to work there anymore, no one that makes any of the big dissensions. bort is the only one that sort of has our interests in mind
I personally think the KDF is a little worse off for the bargain, but it isn't the huge imbalance some people think. The big difference is the simple one: more people play Fed, therefore more PvPers play Fed, therefore more top-tier premades are Fed, therefore more facerolling is done by Feds.
It's identical in ground PvP, where Klingons have all the good toys feds have and a few that feds don't, but still get facerolled by fed PvP fleets.
I'm honestly hoping that DStahl was being genuine about the timeline for some changes as beginning during S7.
I'm certainly not holding my breath though. I started playing this game because of its functionality and player customization options. I have grown to love it over time, but I'm a pvper at heart -- have been since the days of DarkAgeOC (name gets censored for some reason here). Running "dungeons" repeatedly grows old very quickly, and while I really like the content in S7 (srsly Cryptic, I do), I'm turned off by the lack of communication that I've seen with pvpers.
In every other MMO that I've played, regardless of how long it lasted, I've really enjoyed that level of community responsiveness. I hope to see that in STO. I really do.
There are a lot of options for PVPers in the market, and its a playerbase that has only grown over time. From DarkAgeOCthrough the decades to now MWO and that other mech one (forget the name). And next year? Forget it. DarkAgeOC big man at the helm of the new Elder Scrolls PVP mmo? Lawd have mercy...
I would have disagreed with that before the Vesta... now, I want to roll an ASD carrier and spam Fed PUGs...
My first reaction was that this ship was supposed to be the fed counter to the Kar'fi given some of the spec/stats.....
Forgetting for a moment that the Kar'fi is one of the least used ships on the KDF side for more reasons than one, this ship is combining multiple ideals used on different KDF ships that when combined lead to a much more powerful ship than anything on the KDF side, or even on the fed side.
First you've got the AoE HoT that is good for every ship and role, because healers get an heal not counting that it's a group heal, and damage dealers get a spare heal and group support method. This parallels the Varanus's drone heals, only dramatically more effective since it seems to move with the ship rather than being in proximity to a stationary deployable on the KDF ship.
Secondly you've got the Hangar bay, though it's not clear if it is only for the Danubes or if can use anything on the fed side. If it can't use anything but Danubes then at least it's no good to a healer, however regardless of whether it can or not, the turn rate plus the CC of the Danubes means that it's the first fed cruiser that is viable for cannons. If it can equip anything then it's just like the Flight Deck Cruisers on the KDF side, only much more versatile due to the Boff layout.
Thirdly, you've got the combined perk from the Consoles granting the immunity field, meaning that now 2 ships on the fed side have consoles that grant extreme damage protection if/when severely pressed (the Intrepid is the other), and while the Intrepid's ablative armor has counters, we know of none for this one. On the KDF side the concept of this mirrors the Kar'fi's special console....
The Auxiliary gun is rather pointless since I'm guessing that you can only have one of them (like the quad cannon) and only 1 gun at max power at any given time is meaningless. However if you can mount more than 1, then you now have full healer and damage all in one power setting and no other ship in the game can match that in the slightest way and be effective.
Put it all together and this ship's only drawback is the 3/3 setup; its shields are stronger than any other cruiser, it's turn rate and impulse modifier are better than or on par with any other cruiser, and while it's hull strength and Engineering slots are weaker than the normal cruiser the Cmdr science slot and other stats/specs make up for it for the non-healers.
There is only one method that I can think of to effectively counter this ship, but the requirements to do are currently broken to me knowledge (unless there was a stealth fix that I didn't know about) so.......yeah.....
That being said, is this thing unbeatable? No, however I'm thinking in the 1v1 setting, for the team setting I do not know what would happen if a team brought 3 of these ships into the fold in various roles, my best guess is that it would not be pretty for the opposing team.....
Support a KDF equivalent to the Vesta Here
vids and guides and stuff
[9:52] [Zone #11] Neal@trapper1532: im a omega force shadow oprative and a maoc elite camander and here i am taking water samples
Per Mark's specs, it's a shuttlecarrier - not a fighter carrier. Danubes made sense...
...now the rest of the specs/stats it has on the other hand? /hardfacepalm
an aux power based duel heavy cannon? wtf are they thinking?
they are thinking... and i quote charle sheen-
"winning"
i cant wait to get my hands on this.
-starts saving up his monies-
no need to fly a gal-x anymore.
all it needs is a cloaking device -eyes MES-
vids and guides and stuff
[9:52] [Zone #11] Neal@trapper1532: im a omega force shadow oprative and a maoc elite camander and here i am taking water samples
im more interested in the doors this opens, next you know we'll have an entire weapons line that use aux power instead of weapons power.
itll be a glorius future for sto!
/10char
vids and guides and stuff
[9:52] [Zone #11] Neal@trapper1532: im a omega force shadow oprative and a maoc elite camander and here i am taking water samples
Engine power should affect torps!
C'mon, if I'm flying fast toward my target when I launch them - then they should hit harder!
But the kinetic energy compared to an antimatter explosion is negligible. Shields are meant to handle that kind of impact going at warp.
But their shields are down and I'm using antique Ferengi rockets!
Quad Cannons use engine power iirc...
The Aux DHC uses Aux.
You need basic shield power.
So a vesta properly kitted out as DHC, ADHC, QC... ends up with a power monstrosity of 50/50/50/50.
How... silly.
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just think of the kentic feedback pulse itll have, tric mines a problem? not anymore!
boom it hits me then goes right back to you!
-evil laughter-
perfect shields? yes please!
the only redeming factor about this ship,
all its powers share a cooldown.
I've never seen it in PvP - but it's rare to see a HY Plasma there.
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from the dev blog
Multi-Mission Science Vessels come standard with a Mark XII Auxiliary Dual Heavy Phaser Cannon. This cannon is designed to utilize Auxiliary power instead of Weapon power.
This helps Defiants who cloak and Armitage that need it for fighter churning. It would still be terrible in PVP as those things don't have [Acc]x3, so I think its alright. More ways to **** PVE is welcome, considering that there are so many rainbow nubs.
"Last Engage! Magical Girl Origami-san" is in print! Now with three times more rainbows.
Support the "Armored Unicorn" vehicle initiative today!
Thanks for Harajuku. Now let's get a real "Magical Girl" costume!
he then makes sure we all know that its all "subject to change"
why even bother lying like that?