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  • levi3levi3 Member Posts: 1,663 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    heineko wrote: »
    Time travel is messy and should've never been invented in future. Like, how many versions of Braxton are there, exactly? And just how many Voyagers did the Braxton Collective destroy?

    Either we discover Absolute Reality (a reality that is true to all observers no matter what frame of reference), or time travel just retcons itself from existence because every time someone invents it, it sets off a chain of events which will invariably involve someone travelling back and stopping it from existing.

    I however support 1 faction in this game, simply because the devs are completely inept at maintaining 2 factions. Just as much as Romulan as a separate 3rd faction would end up with more disappointed players rather than happy ones.

    Blur everything. Remove this faction vs faction nonsense. Have all factions access every one's ships. Have it mixed fleet vs mixed fleet vs pure fleet. Give the KDF our science vessels as we partake in their carriers and drones. Pandas vs Critz of red and blue variants.

    GIVE ALL PLAYERS EQUAL CHOICE.

    Whether you carried a Klingon sign or a Starfleet sign, the war is over. We are one united universe.

    But if you do cling to old factionalism, you could declare war on the other fleets and pvp all you want.

    IT'S YOUR CHOICE. IT'S YOUR RIGHT.

    Wow this is a blast from my recent thread past - but I certainly endorse everything you said. My biggest fear is that come season 8 they will throw the KDF a few bones and maybe join up the romulans in some silly way that lets it just end up like the KDF - but worse a 3rd class faction. I would be more comfortable if they just focased on 1 thing and 1 thing only - less to TRIBBLE around with.
  • heinekoheineko Member Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    levi3 wrote: »
    I would be more comfortable if they just focased on 1 thing and 1 thing only - less to TRIBBLE around with.

    The Quadrants need an Obama. :3
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  • levi3levi3 Member Posts: 1,663 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    heineko wrote: »
    The Quadrants need an Obama. :3

    I don't think I would go that far - yikes!! Let's leave real politics out of this one:eek:
  • heinekoheineko Member Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    levi3 wrote: »
    I don't think I would go that far - yikes!! Let's leave real politics out of this one:eek:

    Ohohohoho...
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  • centersolacecentersolace Member Posts: 11,178 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    heineko wrote: »
    Blur everything. Remove this faction vs faction nonsense. Have all factions access every one's ships. Have it mixed fleet vs mixed fleet vs pure fleet. Give the KDF our science vessels as we partake in their carriers and drones. Pandas vs Critz of red and blue variants.

    GIVE ALL PLAYERS EQUAL CHOICE.

    One of the first things you must learn when using photoshop, is that blur only works as an accent. Use it too much and it just becomes one big mess. I adamantly stand by the idea that the dissolution of KDF and the rejection of future factions is a recipe for disaster.

    The problem is not that two factions are splitting dev time, it's that Cryptic is not using the strengths of a multi-faction system.

    Where are the open PvP zones? Free-For-All competitions, like racing? Territory Control? Fleet vs. Fleet warfare? Sanctioned combat and contest arenas, both ground and space?

    Those things only truly benefit from a multi-faction system, and could add so much to this game. Where are those things?
  • stark2kstark2k Member Posts: 1,467 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    One universe? One happy go lucky fleet and government?

    No, no, no, "We're just one big happy fleet." - Khan

    HELL to the NO

    MMO's are known to consist of more than one Faction, otherwise this should then be considered a single player game.

    The Empire will not kneel to no one, especially to you Federation Dogs. How dare you people insult the Honor of the Empire on the basis of pure DEV Laziness.

    What they need to do is work something out so we can have three factions instead of two, and the KDF can be easily fixed - but the DEVS insist on not doing so purely based off time and money that goes into programming.

    With the hopes and dreams of Romulan players now dashed, Cryptic should work on strengthening the Empire.
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  • cptjhuntercptjhunter Member Posts: 2,288 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    stark2k wrote: »
    One universe? One happy go lucky fleet and government?

    No, no, no, "We're just one big happy fleet." - Khan

    HELL to the NO

    MMO's are known to consist of more than one Faction, otherwise this should then be considered a single player game.

    The Empire will not kneel to no one, especially to you Federation Dogs. How dare you people insult the Honor of Empire on the basis of pure DEV Laziness.

    What they need to do is work out so we can have three factions instead of two, and the KDF can be easily fixed - but the DEVS insist on not doing so purely based off time and money that goes into programming.

    With the hopes and dreams of Romulan players now dashed, Cryptic should work on strengthening the Empire.

    I am Khan, and I approve this message.:D
  • jellico1jellico1 Member Posts: 2,719
    edited November 2012
    It's clear for resource and economic reasons
    Cryptic is unwilling to buff up the Klingon faction
    The way it deserves to be upgraded.

    To create content to unite the two factions
    Against a common enemy would be best for all
    Players and cryptic as well

    The Klingons would get a instant buff to tailor
    Options as well as Feds getting a few Kdf fashions

    I believe all tech/ships/weapons/consoles /uniforms ,should
    Remain true to there current faction

    However all new content could be shared
    Ships, tailor ,weapons ,everything new could be
    Shared with allies.

    Including all missions as well so wait time
    Would be reduced for mirror events stfs ect.

    Leaving the Klingons unfinished is wrong I'n the
    First place, denying them new content is also wrong.
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  • stark2kstark2k Member Posts: 1,467 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    jellico1 wrote: »

    To create content to unite the two factions
    Against a common enemy would be best for all
    Players and cryptic as well

    The Klingons would get a instant buff to tailor
    Options as well as Feds getting a few Kdf fashions

    I believe all tech/ships/weapons/consoles /uniforms ,should
    Remain true to there current faction

    However all new content could be shared
    Ships, tailor ,weapons ,everything new could be
    Shared with allies.

    I would rather have it the way it is, before sharing my Honor with the Feds and their pleasure boats.

    jellico1 wrote: »
    Leaving the Klingons unfinished is wrong in the
    First place, denying them new content is also wrong.

    While I agree, however; sharing my bed with a Fed petaQ is hardly a solution to a Warrior's Honor.

    Klingons would rather die in a glorious last Battle than to succumb to the whims of the Fed Dogs.
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  • jellico1jellico1 Member Posts: 2,719
    edited November 2012
    stark2k wrote: »
    I would rather have it the way it is, before sharing my Honor with the Feds and their pleasure boats.




    While I agree, however; sharing my bed with a Fed petaQ is hardly a solution to a Warrior's Honor.

    Klingons would rather die in a glorious last Battle than to succumb to the whims of the Fed Dogs.

    surley I made my meaning plain ?
    I offer you no bed to share
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    There are always a few who cannot accept change
    It is always so ..............

    As a Klingon Leader once said

    Your blood will paint the way to the future
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  • jackdonnerjackdonner Member Posts: 13 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Levi3

    While you may be creative in your thinking, the things that you suggest will simply never happen. Perhaps you should try this post in a roleplaying forum.
  • stark2kstark2k Member Posts: 1,467 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    levi3 wrote: »
    The Iconians strike hard at the remnants of the Romulan Star empire and for the first time move to destroy the secondary threat they see in the Alpha Quadrant: The Klingon empire.

    LOL, this isn't creative thinking but more like wishful thinking. I would imagine that the Federation would be the bigger threat since they are so damn nosey and they have more knowledge about the Iconian that the Klinks.

    My apologies, but its a silly concept from the get go, I'll give you kudos for your over active imagination though.

    and always keep in mind, the Klingon Empire will NOT be slaves to the Federation and their ideals.

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  • satinaviansatinavian Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    I would suggest the following:

    Due to the losses and looming danger of all the powerful enemies, many Klingons would in principle prefer an end to this particular war and even cooperation with the feds in the conflicts to come.

    But for reasons of honor and pride (and politics), the empire and especcially J'mpok can't declare peace without having won.

    Instead the high command simply doesn't attempt new invasions and instead fortifies the aquired holdings in the sector, where this whole mess started.

    The Federation, in similar problems after long years of fighting without any great victory begins to acknowledge the current front line internally as the likely outcome of any negotiation and uses sends ground forces only to planets still fought over.


    Then negotiations begin. They end with either side acknowledging the status quo concerning territories, which de facto ends the hot phase of war.

    But that does neither include all of the "new colonies" both sides try to build as seen in the doff-missions, nor does it include independent but associated races. And while the empire does not issue orders to fight the Federation any more, it does not try to prohibit any raids planned and done by single Klingon houses or semi-independent captains. At the same time both Nausicaan pirates and Orion bandits still operate as if the war never stopped. The Federation declares all these continued fighting to be acts of criminals and occasionally retaliates.


    So in the end, the war is not really over, but is boiled down to raids of individuals or minor groups. Official cooperation does happen at the same time on other fronts.

    For the Fed to determine, if a Klingon is a friend or enemy, he has to learn the specifics of Klingon politics, of the houses, their alliances and feuds. For the Klingon side, it would be nice to have missions given out from those NPCs that have the according agenda.




    This is more or less the only way i see to sort out this mess of war/peace and keep most of the content (including doff-missions) as is.



    Concerning "merging the KDF into Federation":

    Bad idea. What would it accomplish ? You can already play a Fed-Klingon and do all the Fed missions. KDF-Players obviously don't want to do that. Why ?

    Because it's Federation gameplay. Fed-missions, where you do things the Federation way according to Fed moral standards and Fed laws and interact with Fed NPCs. If one wanted to do that, he would not make a KDF-toon.

    Now, if the merge would really be a merge and not UFP swallowing the empire, this would be another thing. But that won't happen. The Federation can't be the organization from the TV-shows, if it really includes Klingon laws and culture. Or would you like to see "execution for incompetence" or "slave trade" on Federation ships ?

    A merge would break the Empire and/or the Federation. Thus it can't happen.

    (strangly Romulans would be easier to merge in either one)
  • carcharodon1975carcharodon1975 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    At some point Cryptic has to create non Federation content for simple economic reasons.I can already hear people say: "You are crazy,the Fed side is the largest playerbase,yada yada yada.." Think about this for a second....the real product Cryptic is selling to people.....are the ships.The ships are the real stars of STO.(and Star Trek,but that's beside the point right now)

    The most expensive items in the C-store...are ships.The most expensive items in the Lobi store....are ships.The most coveted items,with the absolute worst drop rates,in the lock boxes...are ships.Every bit of content they make is there so you can,and would,buy ships.

    Now here's the thing.....with the heavy focus on the Federation,and their already impressive roster of ships expanding rapidly over the past 2 years....they are running out of ships.There comes a point where the market is saturated,and every new release is going to hurt the sales of previous releases.Don't forget that there are limits as to what they can put into the game IP wise,what 'non canon' content CBS will allow and the restriction of the game itself.At some point every 'gap' in the ship line up will be covered,and then they are left with nothing new to sell.

    Their only option,if they intend to continue with STO,is to create content for other factions....starting with the other playable faction they already have.



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  • xantrisxantris Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    I think the better idea is for the Klingons to coerce the Romulans/Remans to join and absorb them (and their ships/content) into the fold. It would go a long way to evening out the population and content balance disparity between the two side.

    You could even maintain a unique Romulan UI, starting zone, and infrastructure. You basically just share game resources with the Klingons. The Romulans are just far more like Klingons anyway, both in tech and in the way they think.

    The idea of setting off the Romulans on their own faction is just really dumb from a game design standpoint. You'll just be recreating the disaster that the Klingons endured... Ie low population, low content, low revenue generation for c-store items. But I also don't like the idea of having -only- one faction, or of Klingons cruising around on galaxies or Feds in BoPs or Romulan ships. I mean seriously cryptic, did you not learn from the first time you bashed your thumb with a hammer?

    Even the storyline would be an easy thing to spin. The Romulans are probably far more favorable to the aggressive way the Klingons handle the Iconians, tholians, Undine, etc than a federation that constantly sticks its head in the sand.
  • lordmalak1lordmalak1 Member Posts: 4,681 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    stark2k wrote: »
    I would rather have it the way it is, before sharing my Honor with the Feds and their pleasure boats.




    While I agree, however; sharing my bed with a Fed petaQ is hardly a solution to a Warrior's Honor.

    Klingons would rather die in a glorious last Battle than to succumb to the whims of the Fed Dogs.

    Feds have no honor, as the OP simply wants KDF equipment for his fed toons. The day STO combines the factions is the day I quit playing. I don't have a LTS so I know I'll be missed.
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  • travelingmastertravelingmaster Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    xantris wrote: »
    I think the better idea is for the Klingons to coerce the Romulans/Remans to join and absorb them (and their ships/content) into the fold. It would go a long way to evening out the population and content balance disparity between the two side.

    You could even maintain a unique Romulan UI, starting zone, and infrastructure. You basically just share game resources with the Klingons. The Romulans are just far more like Klingons anyway, both in tech and in the way they think.

    The idea of setting off the Romulans on their own faction is just really dumb from a game design standpoint. You'll just be recreating the disaster that the Klingons endured... Ie low population, low content, low revenue generation for c-store items. But I also don't like the idea of having -only- one faction, or of Klingons cruising around on galaxies or Feds in BoPs or Romulan ships. I mean seriously cryptic, did you not learn from the first time you bashed your thumb with a hammer?

    Even the storyline would be an easy thing to spin. The Romulans are probably far more favorable to the aggressive way the Klingons handle the Iconians, tholians, Undine, etc than a federation that constantly sticks its head in the sand.

    I like this idea, actually. Add the Romulans and Remans to the KDF, and make the KDF attractive to Romulan/Reman fanboys who play Federation right now.
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  • levi3levi3 Member Posts: 1,663 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    lordmalak1 wrote: »
    Feds have no honor, as the OP simply wants KDF equipment for his fed toons. The day STO combines the factions is the day I quit playing. I don't have a LTS so I know I'll be missed.

    That is BS - at this point I am almost exclusively doffing - I could go around in a shuttle with my 400 doffs per toon - shoved in the back somewhere - and make out just fine - i don't even find much use in the freighter.

    I do want a real Klingon c-store ship - if they come out on their own - fine I will get it - if it is under some merger i will get it too.

    And this is not about getting access to KDF consoles - because it is most likely even without a merger - all KDF consoles will come in a lock-box sooner or later.

    its about sustainablity - can the KDF make it on it's own? With the player numbers and the intensive dedication from Cryptic they have got so far - i think the answer is no.
  • lordmalak1lordmalak1 Member Posts: 4,681 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    levi3 wrote: »

    its about sustainablity - can the KDF make it on it's own? With the player numbers and the intensive dedication from Cryptic they have got so far - i think the answer is no.

    No, THATS BS. Every STO player has a fed toon before they decide to make a KDF toon. The KDF from the day the game was released has survived, so there is no sustainability issue that needs to be addressed. We've made it this far without support from cryptic, we'll survive without future support. WITH support we'll do better but your thinking that the KDF will die unless rolled into a single faction with the feds is complete hogwash.
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  • centersolacecentersolace Member Posts: 11,178 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    At some point Cryptic has to create non Federation content for simple economic reasons.I can already hear people say: "You are crazy,the Fed side is the largest playerbase,yada yada yada.." Think about this for a second....the real product Cryptic is selling to people.....are the ships.The ships are the real stars of STO.(and Star Trek,but that's beside the point right now)

    The most expensive items in the C-store...are ships.The most expensive items in the Lobi store....are ships.The most coveted items,with the absolute worst drop rates,in the lock boxes...are ships.Every bit of content they make is there so you can,and would,buy ships.

    Now here's the thing.....with the heavy focus on the Federation,and their already impressive roster of ships expanding rapidly over the past 2 years....they are running out of ships.There comes a point where the market is saturated,and every new release is going to hurt the sales of previous releases.Don't forget that there are limits as to what they can put into the game IP wise,what 'non canon' content CBS will allow and the restriction of the game itself.At some point every 'gap' in the ship line up will be covered,and then they are left with nothing new to sell.

    Their only option,if they intend to continue with STO,is to create content for other factions....starting with the other playable faction they already have.



    ......I love a good theory :D

    You raise a good point. Ships are good, but they can only take you so far. But once you add in new factions, the possibilities are endless. :D
  • daedalus304daedalus304 Member Posts: 1,049 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    I still say we should get a new form of Freelance option for higher ups.

    something where the Feds and the Klinks have their own factions and the irreverseable option to separate from those factions to a new freelance system to protect the colonies each faction ignore.

    this is a place where the federation and klingons can use each others ships and Boffs.

    but the price is simple. without the Federation or the Klingon Defense force to pay the bill, repairing ships, refuling them. supporting crew needs all of this will then be brought upon the captains who wish to seceed.

    this also allows for other species to join, and their ships/boffs/doffs/weapons/equipment to be brought into play.

    it is also able to keep both mission lines from each major factions intact, just to call it "a favor" of that faction.

    It was applauded in DS9 a while ago...but not sure now.

    it can also give Cryptic an exuse to drop in a lame Romulan/Cardassian/Dominionesque factions into this one faction.

    again if captains choose to do this, the burdens would soley be on them and they cannot go back once they do.
  • duaths1duaths1 Member Posts: 1,232 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    At some point Cryptic has to create non Federation content for simple economic reasons.I can already hear people say: "You are crazy,the Fed side is the largest playerbase,yada yada yada.." Think about this for a second....the real product Cryptic is selling to people.....are the ships.The ships are the real stars of STO.(and Star Trek,but that's beside the point right now)

    The most expensive items in the C-store...are ships.The most expensive items in the Lobi store....are ships.The most coveted items,with the absolute worst drop rates,in the lock boxes...are ships.Every bit of content they make is there so you can,and would,buy ships.

    Now here's the thing.....with the heavy focus on the Federation,and their already impressive roster of ships expanding rapidly over the past 2 years....they are running out of ships.There comes a point where the market is saturated,and every new release is going to hurt the sales of previous releases.Don't forget that there are limits as to what they can put into the game IP wise,what 'non canon' content CBS will allow and the restriction of the game itself.At some point every 'gap' in the ship line up will be covered,and then they are left with nothing new to sell.

    Their only option,if they intend to continue with STO,is to create content for other factions....starting with the other playable faction they already have.



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    i do NOT think you are entirely right here, cause we see the balance changes.

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  • grazyc2#7847 grazyc2 Member Posts: 1,988 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    l3dz3p85 wrote: »
    So you think that max level Feds and KDF should be friends, but low level Feds and KDF should be enemies(since all of the low level missions are about them fighting each other)? No thanks, thats nonsense. Dan already said they are planning on doing a huge KDF content push in S8:





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  • grazyc2#7847 grazyc2 Member Posts: 1,988 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    levi3 wrote: »
    The Iconians strike hard at the remnants of the Romulan Star empire and for the first time move to destroy the secondary threat they see in the Alpha Quadrant: The Klingon empire.

    In wake of these devastating attacks both the Romulans and the Klingons, facing total destruction do something they never imagined they would: join the United Federation of Planets.

    Starting in Season 8 captains from all sides will have access to the ships of each of the other 2 factions as resources are scarce. Just as Kirk flew a BoP soon to will other Starfleet captains. Klingon Captain will also be able to fly Starfleet ships.

    The war between the factions of the Alpha Quadrant is over - the War against the new United Federation of Planets has just begun.

    New Benefits for all players:

    Access to purchase cross-faction ships while still maintaining there original starting points and Characters.

    Decreased wait time for former KDF players in the Q's as they are now part of the Federation.

    Full access and travel to all sectors of the Galaxy

    Mixing and matching of ship powers and consoles.

    More ability to mix and match in the PvP Q's - new mixed matches, mixed Q's and teams - When you launch as team A - what ships will you be fighting in team B?? Better be ready!

    Increased ship sales of former KDF ships and the launching of several new ones.

    Plus much much more.

    Let me be the first to welcome our Klingon and Romulan brothers and sisters to the stronger UFP!! The war is over - but the battle is just beginning!

    Please Discuss. I see this as a definite winning stratagey for Cryptic.

    Terible Idea if you want a KDF ship level a KDF officer if you want a Fed level a fed but no way a klingon would make peace because you are to lazy to train a KDF or a Fed
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