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[Idea] Klingons & Romulans Join the Federation.

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  • cptjhuntercptjhunter Member Posts: 2,288 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    I am all for ending the war between the Federation and the Empire.I am not for the Empire joining the Federation.However, I would like them to return to TNG era allies. I would like to see an expansion story arc added for BOTH factions exposing a Undine conspiracy to divide the alliance.Possibly having klingon-federation characters exposing the upper echelon spies, and working together to dispose of them.Like several new missions FACTION EXCLUSIVE, added to the federation-Klingon story arc,so It seems up the game for new players.Before they advance too far, and wonder why there are klingons, and feds traveling thru the neutral zone.
    Unless its explained in the game beginning(for new players) that Omega-Honor Guard-MACO- are exempt from border policies,because they are acting in the interests of the quadrant.
    Thoughts on this proposal?
    I meant Undine, (sorry lack of sleep this week.)
  • centersolacecentersolace Member Posts: 11,178 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    levi3 wrote: »
    canon's place in STO was thrown out the airlock in a lonnggg time ago - so it's a mute point anyways.

    From then on out it was and has been pretty much no holds barred.

    Indeed. We could ignore half of Voyager and most of ENT! It's great! :D
  • centersolacecentersolace Member Posts: 11,178 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    cptjhunter wrote: »
    I am all for ending the war between the Federation and the Empire.I am not for the Empire joining the Federation.However, I would like them to return to TNG era allies. I would like to see an expansion story arc added for BOTH factions exposing a Undine conspiracy to divide the alliance.Possibly having klingon-federation characters exposing the upper echelon spies, and working together to dispose of them.Like several new missions FACTION EXCLUSIVE, added to the federation-Klingon story arc,so It seems up the game for new players.Before they advance too far, and wonder why there are klingons, and feds traveling thru the neutral zone.
    Unless its explained in the game beginning(for new players) that Omega-Honor Guard-MACO- are exempt from border policies,because they are acting in the interests of the quadrant.
    Thoughts on this proposal?
    I meant Undine, (sorry lack of sleep this week.)

    I like it. It would bring back the Undine (and possibly make them scary again). :cool:
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  • kbflordkruegkbflordkrueg Member Posts: 189 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    *deposits 2 credits*

    I would strongly oppose any such merger.
    It would without a doubt end my STO career.
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  • cptjhuntercptjhunter Member Posts: 2,288 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    I would prefer the two empires remain independent from the federation,but stronger treaties, and trade ties ,exist between them.A possible alliance against the Borg, and tholians perhaps.
  • levi3levi3 Member Posts: 1,663 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    cptjhunter wrote: »
    I would prefer the two empires remain independent from the federation,but stronger treaties, and trade ties ,exist between them.A possible alliance against the Borg, and tholians perhaps.

    Well one thing is certain there needs to be some merging of the factions at end-game on several levels - just how much is up for debate it seems.
  • cptjhuntercptjhunter Member Posts: 2,288 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    levi3 wrote: »
    Well one thing is certain there needs to be some merging of the factions at end-game on several levels - just how much is up for debate it seems.

    Just to keep the PVP crowd salivating,mirror universe PVP.Let them have a Mirror universe neutral zone all out capture the flag play.Copy the whole area, as a PVP map that can be accessed from a "stargate" near K-7.All out capture and hold systems in that sector.A free for all barfight in that sector.
  • levi3levi3 Member Posts: 1,663 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    cptjhunter wrote: »
    Just to keep the PVP crowd salivating,mirror universe PVP.Let them have a Mirror universe neutral zone all out capture the flag play.Copy the whole area, as a PVP map that can be accessed from a "stargate" near K-7.All out capture and hold systems in that sector.A free for all barfight in that sector.

    Well I am sure the PvPers would go for any new maps/zones/instances

    One of my original points was the ability to make mixed teams of Fed/KDF - so a team could consist of 3 fed and 2 KDF or 2 fed and 3 KDF etc etc
  • carcharodon1975carcharodon1975 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Levi3....why are you so 'determined' to have just 1 faction? What you are suggesting is the same as: we should all paint our houses grey,it's much more cost efficient to make grey paint than to have 6 different colors.

    Klingons and Romulans joining the Federation......that's 3 shades of grey,but it's still grey.
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  • centersolacecentersolace Member Posts: 11,178 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    levi3 wrote: »
    Well one thing is certain there needs to be some merging of the factions at end-game on several levels - just how much is up for debate it seems.

    Just keep doing things like New Romulus. Big giant playgrounds that everyone can do stuff in with various small faction specific activities strewn throughout.
  • levi3levi3 Member Posts: 1,663 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Levi3....why are you so 'determined' to have just 1 faction? What you are suggesting is the same as: we should all paint our houses grey,it's much more cost efficient to make grey paint than to have 6 different colors.

    Klingons and Romulans joining the Federation......that's 3 shades of grey,but it's still grey.

    Completely seperate factions has proven to be a failure - no point in going into the reasons why.

    Critical mass has been lost - just adding new story missions to the KDF won't bring enough players to make it viable - If Mr Stahl does this it's just throwing money away.

    Its too late for the KDF as a stand alone faction - the cancer is everywhere now thoughout the body - intervention should have started 2 1/2 years ago - now its too late.
  • centersolacecentersolace Member Posts: 11,178 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    levi3 wrote: »
    Completely seperate factions has proven to be a failure - no point in going into the reasons why.

    No. Please do. I can see how it's been a "Disappointment" but completely and utterly fail to see how it is a "Failure".
  • gthaatargthaatar Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    If there was to be a merger resulting in a Mega-Federation, then it should only be done so alongside a new, playable super power that would threaten it.

    Basically, they'd need to design a completely new faction with the same amount of content as the merged one. Not exactly something that could happen without some major planning and tons of work.
  • levi3levi3 Member Posts: 1,663 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    No. Please do. I can see how it's been a "Disappointment" but completely and utterly fail to see how it is a "Failure".

    The reason why it is a failure are many. I call it a failure based on Mr Stahls many comments that the KDF is "not economically viable" - now that comment was about making new C-store KDF ships - but his continued unfulfilled promises to do anything with the KDF in my opinion is because he sees the data which show that overall the KDF does not pull in enough profit by itself

    A part of a company or division that does not turn a profit is considered a "failure" and Cryptic is only interested in sections that provide profits. Ergo the KDF is a Failure in terms of what matters to PWE.
  • startuxstartux Member Posts: 135 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    levi3 wrote: »
    Completely seperate factions has proven to be a failure - no point in going into the reasons why.

    Critical mass has been lost - just adding new story missions to the KDF won't bring enough players to make it viable - If Mr Stahl does this it's just throwing money away.

    Its too late for the KDF as a stand alone faction - the cancer is everywhere now thoughout the body - intervention should have started 2 1/2 years ago - now its too late.

    Complete separate factions a failure? There hasn't been two complete factions in STO ever! This is illogical Levi.

    The Ferasan's alone did being in more people, and this is from someone who played KDF from the start and from what I have perceived which isn't a huge addition of content. By the way I have seen more people logging in the past few days, which is likely mainly due to S7 approaching, which again is more content, plus its people not being so spread out at different times.

    I don't know how you can compare the KDF faction to cancer, its not a valid comparison, unless perhaps you're James T Kirk :P

    Without factions the future is very limited to STF's and simple grinding only, you cannot explore the more advanced and rewarding features, such as zones featuring faction vs faction mechanics.

    Luckily STO doesn't seem to be heading the way you're suggesting having played a bit on S7 on Tribble, sure the KDF and Federation are co-operating to a degree, but it is in their own best interests to do so.
  • levi3levi3 Member Posts: 1,663 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    startux wrote: »
    Complete separate factions a failure? There hasn't been two complete factions in STO ever! This is illogical Levi.

    The Ferasan's alone did being in more people, and this is from someone who played KDF from the start and from what I have perceived which isn't a huge addition of content. By the way I have seen more people logging in the past few days, which is likely mainly due to S7 approaching, which again is more content, plus its people not being so spread out at different times.

    I don't know how you can compare the KDF faction to cancer, its not a valid comparison, unless perhaps you're James T Kirk :P

    Without factions the future is very limited to STF's and simple grinding only, you cannot explore the more advanced and rewarding features, such as zones featuring faction vs faction mechanics.

    Luckily STO doesn't seem to be heading the way you're suggesting having played a bit on S7 on Tribble, sure the KDF and Federation are co-operating to a degree, but it is in their own best interests to do so.

    2 things you got wrong about my post

    "Completely separate" - is not the same statement as "complete"

    I did not say the KDF is like cancer - I implied that the KDF has been attacked by cancer and that for 2 1/2 years Cryptic has neglected to treat the cancer - now by doing the treatment the KDF should have had 2 1/2 years ago it won't work - it won't be enough to save it. Or at least the money that would have to be spent to save it is not something PWE intends to spend - because while they could save it - it would remain on life support and not be super productive - IE make them lots and lots and lots of money - AND that is ALL that MATTERS to PWE.

    Do you understand now?
  • centersolacecentersolace Member Posts: 11,178 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    levi3 wrote: »
    The reason why it is a failure are many. I call it a failure based on Mr Stahls many comments that the KDF is "not economically viable" - now that comment was about making new C-store KDF ships - but his continued unfulfilled promises to do anything with the KDF in my opinion is because he sees the data which show that overall the KDF does not pull in enough profit by itself

    A part of a company or division that does not turn a profit is considered a "failure" and Cryptic is only interested in sections that provide profits. Ergo the KDF is a Failure in terms of what matters to PWE.

    I would buy things for my KDF provided there was something to buy.

    There are many who see it's potential, and many who are clamoring for more! As long as there are more who defend it, than those who wish it's demise, then it's not a failure now is it?
  • vitzhvitzh Member Posts: 519
    edited November 2012
    I say yes to this.... provided you put in full open pvp and ship loss. Only once the Federation is ash would I let them "absorb" the Federation.

    Why do threads like this exist? I hate the Federation, quite a lot of people do to. They are comparable to the Borg except the Borg have got the decency to say they are going to assimilate you first.
  • theultimatextheultimatex Member Posts: 489 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    levi3 wrote: »
    The Iconians strike hard at the remnants of the Romulan Star empire and for the first time move to destroy the secondary threat they see in the Alpha Quadrant: The Klingon empire.

    In wake of these devastating attacks both the Romulans and the Klingons, facing total destruction do something they never imagined they would: join the United Federation of Planets.

    Starting in Season 8 captains from all sides will have access to the ships of each of the other 2 factions as resources are scarce. Just as Kirk flew a BoP soon to will other Starfleet captains. Klingon Captain will also be able to fly Starfleet ships.

    The war between the factions of the Alpha Quadrant is over - the War against the new United Federation of Planets has just begun.

    New Benefits for all players:

    Access to purchase cross-faction ships while still maintaining there original starting points and Characters.

    Decreased wait time for former KDF players in the Q's as they are now part of the Federation.

    Full access and travel to all sectors of the Galaxy

    Mixing and matching of ship powers and consoles.

    More ability to mix and match in the PvP Q's - new mixed matches, mixed Q's and teams - When you launch as team A - what ships will you be fighting in team B?? Better be ready!

    Increased ship sales of former KDF ships and the launching of several new ones.

    Plus much much more.

    Let me be the first to welcome our Klingon and Romulan brothers and sisters to the stronger UFP!! The war is over - but the battle is just beginning!

    Please Discuss. I see this as a definite winning stratagey for Cryptic.

    Um.... NO.

    They do this, and I'm Done.
  • blakes7tvseriesblakes7tvseries Member Posts: 704 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Why do you even care, I can see this really confusing new players

    I heard there are professional posters who post more than they play
    I can also tell some people really like trolling the forums and posting stuff that makes people mad.

    I just hope people can see a troll thread for what it is and even that someone might work for Cryptic

    That a thread might be a feeler post to see how the people will react to an idea.

    Like finding ways to drop the KDF FACTION because there is no money on that side.

    Funny though I thought you had to invest in something first to make money.
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  • levi3levi3 Member Posts: 1,663 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Why do you even care, I can see this really confusing new players

    I heard there are professional posters who post more than they play
    I can also tell some people really like trolling the forums and posting stuff that makes people mad.

    I just hope people can see a troll thread for what it is and even that someone might work for Cryptic

    That a thread might be a feeler post to see how the people will react to an idea.

    Like finding ways to drop the KDF FACTION because there is no money on that side.

    Funny though I thought you had to invest in something first to make money.

    YOU FOUND ME OUT!!

    I am paid to find out players reaction to the coming season 8 changes to the game.

    Out of this I Get a super duper Scimitar Dreadnought - even more powerful than the one in KASE!! - that I can use anywhere in game.

    Not only that but is comes with 7 BO Univ slots 21 console slots plus all in-game special consoles

    Only 3 more people to turn over to the new season 8 idea and its mine!!

    next!
  • p2wsucksp2wsucks Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    levi3 wrote: »
    I am not arguing that PvP is dead for no reason -there are tons of reasons. I have also said many many times, in many threads that the decline of the KDF is due to neglect. That is not in dispute. The only question remains is what will Cryptic do - I think through their recent moves they are much more concerned with a quick turn-over of players that relies on a lot of smaller type transactions. This cannot be accomplished by fleshing out the factions as it would be to costly. What they want in my opinion is - least money in - most money out - and moderate turn-over or chum as I think the industry term is.

    The question in the OP isn't what will Cryptic do. The question is do we agree w/your, imo terrible, idea of KDF and Romulans joining the Federation. Refer to my previous post as to why I disagree with this.

    levi3 wrote:
    This is incorrect - In one timeline from the Ent series the Klingon empire becomes part of the UFP in the future. Therefore the idea of the KDF joining the UFP "is" canon.

    A non contempory (for a particular series) timeline about possible future events doesn't make those events canon. At best it makes it a remote possibility in future storylines. Given the weight of all the other strife and independent streak of the KDF it makes no sense and is completely uncanon based on it being out of KDF character.

    As I pointed out before Cryptic has not made significant resource investments in PvP nor KDF. So, if anything merging the factions will take more resources than just leaving things as is. Therefore, your desire to help out their pocket books fails again. My bet is they will just keep on releasing vapid grinding content w/steeper and steeper power creep.

    This just leaves you wanting to fly all ships and have access to all gear using your Fed toons. Which, imo is completely selfish, vapid, and boring.
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  • darkstarkiriandarkstarkirian Member Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    levi3 wrote: »
    YOU FOUND ME OUT!!

    I am paid to find out players reaction to the coming season 8 changes to the game.

    Did you know that claiming to be a Cryptic employee, when your not, is against the TOS?
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  • centersolacecentersolace Member Posts: 11,178 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Did you know that claiming to be a Cryptic employee, when your not, is against the TOS?

    I believe that's against every TOS ever. :P
  • jellico1jellico1 Member Posts: 2,719
    edited November 2012
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by levi3
    This is incorrect - In one timeline from the Ent series the Klingon empire becomes part of the UFP in the future. Therefore the idea of the KDF joining the UFP "is" canon.


    Cannon I'n that universe and time

    Not this one

    That's why they call them timelines each one
    Is separate
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  • levi3levi3 Member Posts: 1,663 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Did you know that claiming to be a Cryptic employee, when your not, is against the TOS?

    They are more than welcome to read the whole post and decide whether they think it is a real claim that people would believe or not - after they are done laughing of course!:eek:

    p.s Where exactly did I say I was a Cryptic employee? or paid by Cryptic?
    levi3 wrote: »
    YOU FOUND ME OUT!!

    I am paid to find out players reaction to the coming season 8 changes to the game.

    Out of this I Get a super duper Scimitar Dreadnought - even more powerful than the one in KASE!! - that I can use anywhere in game.

    Not only that but is comes with 7 BO Univ slots 21 console slots plus all in-game special consoles

    Only 3 more people to turn over to the new season 8 idea and its mine!!

    next!
  • carcharodon1975carcharodon1975 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    You know what Levi3.....if you are so hell-bent on merging the factions.....why not let the KDF conquer both the Federation and the Romulans and let them join our glorious Empire!:D
    The PWE/Cryptic sweatshop...not where the game is made,but where the game is played!

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  • gthaatargthaatar Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    jellico1 wrote: »
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by levi3
    This is incorrect - In one timeline from the Ent series the Klingon empire becomes part of the UFP in the future. Therefore the idea of the KDF joining the UFP "is" canon.


    Cannon I'n that universe and time

    Not this one

    That's why they call them timelines each one
    Is separate

    Thing is though is that if we're suppose to not completely ignore the Time-travelling Federation, then it is nothing but an inevitability that the Federation will eventually encompass the Klingon Empire, and possibly the Romulan Empire as well.

    When time becomes the new frontier and the universe virtually charted (Supposedly. If the Relativity can displace a ship to different parts of the galaxy and travel between these points itself, its more than likely that it can also jump to virtually anywhere in the universe), it would be illogical for these entities to remain separated. For if they did, they'd more than likely destroy each other as separate entities begin mucking about in Time. They might all share a common goal of maintaining the timeline's integrity, but three separate jurisdictions makes it far harder to contain and correct temporal anomalies as they occur.

    A bandit might be working out of the Klingon empire, go back in time, and completely TRIBBLE up the timeline, but it would only be the Klingons who would actually know about it and would have to be relied on to correct it. Granted, depending on how these temporal ships work some other ships might also be spared changes in the timeline but even. Jurisdiction and general animosity between the factions would further muck things up and possibly prevent the timeline actually being fixed.

    There's also the very distinct problem that once reliable, controllable time-travel, as demonstrated by the Relativity is invented, its sheer existence would lead the Alpha and Beta Quadrants, and possibly the rest of the galaxy (if not the universe itself, the Enterprise J is supposed to be an intergalactic ship after all) to the brink of total war.

    As such, a treaty would have to be arranged so that time travel could be controlle under one, large jurisdiction. Perhaps the factions would still maintain their independence, but in reality it would likely only be in name.
  • heinekoheineko Member Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Time travel is messy and should've never been invented in future. Like, how many versions of Braxton are there, exactly? And just how many Voyagers did the Braxton Collective destroy?

    Either we discover Absolute Reality (a reality that is true to all observers no matter what frame of reference), or time travel just retcons itself from existence because every time someone invents it, it sets off a chain of events which will invariably involve someone travelling back and stopping it from existing.

    I however support 1 faction in this game, simply because the devs are completely inept at maintaining 2 factions. Just as much as Romulan as a separate 3rd faction would end up with more disappointed players rather than happy ones.

    Blur everything. Remove this faction vs faction nonsense. Have all factions access every one's ships. Have it mixed fleet vs mixed fleet vs pure fleet. Give the KDF our science vessels as we partake in their carriers and drones. Pandas vs Critz of red and blue variants.

    GIVE ALL PLAYERS EQUAL CHOICE.

    Whether you carried a Klingon sign or a Starfleet sign, the war is over. We are one united universe.

    But if you do cling to old factionalism, you could declare war on the other fleets and pvp all you want.

    IT'S YOUR CHOICE. IT'S YOUR RIGHT.
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