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[Idea] Klingons & Romulans Join the Federation.
levi3
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The Iconians strike hard at the remnants of the Romulan Star empire and for the first time move to destroy the secondary threat they see in the Alpha Quadrant: The Klingon empire.
In wake of these devastating attacks both the Romulans and the Klingons, facing total destruction do something they never imagined they would: join the United Federation of Planets.
Starting in Season 8 captains from all sides will have access to the ships of each of the other 2 factions as resources are scarce. Just as Kirk flew a BoP soon to will other Starfleet captains. Klingon Captain will also be able to fly Starfleet ships.
The war between the factions of the Alpha Quadrant is over - the War against the new United Federation of Planets has just begun.
New Benefits for all players:
Access to purchase cross-faction ships while still maintaining there original starting points and Characters.
Decreased wait time for former KDF players in the Q's as they are now part of the Federation.
Full access and travel to all sectors of the Galaxy
Mixing and matching of ship powers and consoles.
More ability to mix and match in the PvP Q's - new mixed matches, mixed Q's and teams - When you launch as team A - what ships will you be fighting in team B?? Better be ready!
Increased ship sales of former KDF ships and the launching of several new ones.
Plus much much more.
Let me be the first to welcome our Klingon and Romulan brothers and sisters to the stronger UFP!! The war is over - but the battle is just beginning!
Please Discuss. I see this as a definite winning stratagey for Cryptic.
In wake of these devastating attacks both the Romulans and the Klingons, facing total destruction do something they never imagined they would: join the United Federation of Planets.
Starting in Season 8 captains from all sides will have access to the ships of each of the other 2 factions as resources are scarce. Just as Kirk flew a BoP soon to will other Starfleet captains. Klingon Captain will also be able to fly Starfleet ships.
The war between the factions of the Alpha Quadrant is over - the War against the new United Federation of Planets has just begun.
New Benefits for all players:
Access to purchase cross-faction ships while still maintaining there original starting points and Characters.
Decreased wait time for former KDF players in the Q's as they are now part of the Federation.
Full access and travel to all sectors of the Galaxy
Mixing and matching of ship powers and consoles.
More ability to mix and match in the PvP Q's - new mixed matches, mixed Q's and teams - When you launch as team A - what ships will you be fighting in team B?? Better be ready!
Increased ship sales of former KDF ships and the launching of several new ones.
Plus much much more.
Let me be the first to welcome our Klingon and Romulan brothers and sisters to the stronger UFP!! The war is over - but the battle is just beginning!
Please Discuss. I see this as a definite winning stratagey for Cryptic.
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The war needs to end sometime. They could be wrapped into some historical holo-programs.
That's a big problem of this game the - it's moving forward in it's narative - but the orignial starting missions are stuck in it's 2010 launch - Cryptic needs to move the whole game forward.
So you think they need to go back and completely redesign the first half of the game? Yeah, I'm sure that will only take a year or so.
Exactly.
Yes I know what Mr Stahl said about season 8 and the KDF - but that has been said for the last 3 years. It's Time they take a radical move forward. How many KDF will be around for Season 8?
This gives Cryptic a way out of it's never ending KDF conumdrem - how to give more content to a shrinking population with the least cost. The answer is for them to join the Federation.
There are lots of possible work-arounds. New cadets will be in a Holo-deck until certain missions are completed is one idea. Already the new romulan sector is putting the exisiting Romulan story missions out-of date. The original Fed/kingon missions are really dated - and there are not a lot of them so a Holo re-creation is possible and plausible.
"New cadets"? You get to Lt. Commander or Commander doing KDF-ish missions. Your saying people would be in the holodeck all that time? Also, your saying that Starfleet would have its officers waste time training to fight their allies instead of training to fight their current enemies like the Undine, Borg, Tholians and Iconians?
Let's call them "New players" them.
I don't buy any of the story that Mr Stahl is selling about a Season 8 focas on the KDF - I fly my 3 primary KDF toons a few hours each day doffing. It's a ghost town out there in Klingon land compared to even 6 months ago. 20%? yeah right - more like 12% full-time kdf'rs.
The "Build-it and they will come" at this point is way to much of a financial and career gamble- Mr Stahl is a smart man - in the end I don't think he will take that gamble.
If you think he's "smarter" than doing what he told us he's planning on doing, do you think he's lying about the plans for Season 8?
He said it's a goal - things change - plans change. Finanical priorities change. He never said that fleshing out the KDF could not be inside the umbrela of the Federation.
By combining both the Klingons and the Romualns inside the UFP - Cryptic can kill 2 birds with 1 stone: make everything availible under 1 banner - players have more choice of what they can play and purchase. There are lots more ships to sell this way.
Yeah, no one is denying that. But you were talking about him being "smart", not about priorities changing. So if you think he's too "smart" to do what he told us he's planning on doing, are you saying he's lying?
That may be true, but if you read the post he was directly replying to, you will see it was not about the KDF joining the Feds.
Whatever you want to call it - what he does is differrent. In my opinion the KDF has long lost the critical mass needed to jsutify even thinking about building it and they will come. Personally I think the smartest business move is the one I have suggested.
How long have you been around? Mr Stahl has answered that very question over and over from the games launch - always my goal for next season - but that season never comes. If he is smart as I think he is - he will clean up this mess once and for all and make these three factions 1 - this also makes it 100% easier to lanuch a Romulan sub-faction accessible to both player types.
Just to be clear, are you saying he's planning on doing something different than what he told us?
The Alpha Quadrant? The Iconians are worried about losing the Cardasians and Deferi the Klingons so they go after them?
Klingons reside in the Beta Quadrant. In fact a most of the game before end game is in the Beta Quadrant.
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Well if you want to get technical about it most of Federation space is the Beta Quadrant - for some reason the shows/canon keeps the myth going that the Federation is the Alpha Quadrant - so I was just wording is as if it was being told from a Star Trek story perspective. Given the state of the KDF being weaker and it's history of siding with the Federation in times of great peril to the Alpha/Beta quadrants the Iconians might want to take them out first. It's just an idea - it could be the Borg attacking the klingons first as they did in the Destiny series books which Launch the New Vesta Class Starship.
I certain hope so - I don't see any future for the KDF as a stand-alone faction. Just made 3 trips on my KDF toons - 2 from DS9 to Qo'nos - 1 from Qo'nos to DS9. There were almost no KDF ships along the way - a few here and there.
Around the Qo'nos system about a dozen, in orbit of Qo'nos 6, in the First city there were only 2!! instances going 15 players and 18 players.
So yes I hope his "plans" change.
And now that my Klingon toons are doffed out I'm off to bed.
In the immortal words of Kirk "Klingons do not take prisoners" Do I need to spell that out to you op lol. They do not surrender, they do not make peace with powers that betrayed them on more then one occasion. Even in next generation they show how, if the Enterprise C, had not saved a Klingon colony. The klingons would have been at war with the Federation despite the actions of Kirk and his crew.
Op talk about overkill on a topic. They already had a thread going over this same subject, it was in one of the other sub forums, and had well over 50 pages of posts. Join everyone together, and you can forget even calling this game Star Trek.
As for me ill be giving season 7 a try, maybe they will surprise me, that would be nice. If they ever do something like this ill not only uninstall the game, but ill destroy the copy of sto I have.
There are actually NO Fed missions outside of clusters where you fight the KDF. You fight a rogue group of Klingon criminals led by former ambassador (and the arbiter of succession who chose J'mpok) B'Vat, who has gone on the run and become an outlaw dealing in Temporal Cold War weapons that neither side likes. And when you finally defeat B'Vat, Klingons help you.
It's ONLY KDF side that you fight Feds. Fed-side, you never fight Klingons outside of time travel, outlaws, or a roving band of Tribble hunters. The war basically doesn't exist Fed-side past the opening cinematics outside of the lore dailies.
At least there is flavour between the two sides, by joining them (and a Romulan faction) together would be IMO so boring for the game as a whole.
I live in hope of a complete KDF faction. Instead of spending the devs man-hours undoing all their work up until now, why not spend that time actually completing the KDF?
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In my opinion the KDF had never the critical mass to even justify an seperate faction. AND Cryptic never had the manpower/money to make two separate factions.
A Romulan faction will ever come into the game. Or with only grind missions.
Btw Star Trek was always about the federation. They should come first. Their content should be the focus of the development team. If there is time and money left, well my Klingon char would like more skins for his ships or more story mission :-)
This is true. So the needed changes would be fairly minimal. There is no real all-out war anyways it's just a manufactured fight to have some pvp elements.
In fact your first "missions" on the KDF side you are fighting another house that is working with the Romulans!!" So there are few changes that would need to be made to the KDF story arc as well.
The KDf will conquer the Federation to rid you folks of the undine shape shifters that have infiltrated the highest order of federation command. After the great cleansing you are then allowed to continue your existence as vassals of the mighty Klingon Empire.
Of course resistance is encouraged ...
"Klingon Honor Guard Intro"
"il Troubadore - "yIjah, Qey' 'oH" (Klingon Victory Song)"
Kirk: "Don't believe them! Don't trust them!"
Spock: "They're dying."
Kirk: "Let them die."
Resulting in...
Example #1: Prune juice becomes the number one Klingon drink.
Example #2: Dancing Oppa Klingon Style (with the UFP people).
Example #3: Humans teaching Klingons to sing human song.
Example #4: Humans throwing Klingons surprise parties (with party poppers and smiles and presents).
Example #5: Klingon accuracy with a blade decreases and apologies for inflicting wounds.
Example #6: Klingon suggestions get DENIED again and again.
Example #7: Klingon frustration due to human interaction.
Example #8: Tactical delays (the list goes on, and on)...
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Please don't take this the wrong way, but I don't want Klingons and Romulans in the Federation.
Just like I, as someone who also sometimes plays a KDF character and aspires to play a Romulan someday, don't want to BE a Klingon or a Romulan in the Federation.
Okay, I get that is the future to which the Federation aspires to... one big happy galaxy. I don't even mind STO foreshadowing that.
But gameplay, like stories, needs dramatic tension and a rich backdrop of environment, history, and culture to set the mood. A "docile" Klingon Empire doesn't provide much of that... and it definitely doesn't fit the Klingon mindset very well.
It also creates issues with all those missions where the Feds are opposing Klingon expansion and Romulan power-plays. Who the heck would we be fighting? Rebels? Pirates?
There's plenty of time for STO to move in the direction of a Federation-Klingon-Romulan alliance... why the heck should that be rushed? It makes no sense. If that's the way Cryptic intends to go, let it happen in a way that it does start to make sense, not all at once.
Certainly not in Season 8.
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Integrating the Factions would be the least financially risky. Openning up Former KDF ships for current starfleet only players to buy and play gives them a big new potential sales boost without having to try to make those players switch to run a KDF toon.
It would also clear up a big complaint of KDF players - that they have to wait endlessly in the Q's because there are not enough there.
It would also add a significant new dynamic and challege to PvP with new maps that could be created and with mixed groups fighting mixed groups - hopefully with Romulan ships as well - you will always have a different fight on you hands.
I still see this move as the safest bet for Cryptic.