FYI, less than half of the player base play KDF. Also, Carriers are by very definition unique to people other than the Federation. The Federation does not use carriers therefore it's a hardcore (more than STO already is) canonical error. By the way, if you actually played KDF, you would not think the same but since you're too dumb to play KDF...
As to the Vesta, if that thing exists in this game than I'm done with STO and Cryptic. I refuse to pay Cryptic to produce such blatant pieces of content that TRIBBLE over the other faction.
*shrug* IM pretty sure before Cryptic got bought out it was stated Feds would never get carriers.
I think at that point Cryptic was still wanting to believe it could somehow develop more unique features for both sides. PWE, for all its negatives DID splash a nice freezing bucket of water on their faces and made them (or by giving them cash, finally allowed them to... depending on your POV) get things done. And that meant reusing anything and everything, as well as rethinking their old sacred cows.
FYI, less than half of the player base play KDF. Also, Carriers are by very definition unique to people other than the Federation. The Federation does not use carriers therefore it's a hardcore (more than STO already is) canonical error. By the way, if you actually played KDF, you would not think the same but since you're too dumb to play KDF...
I do believe that the 16-18% that gets thrown around is indeed less than half the playerbase..... you have an unusual way of quoting people.
As for it being a canonical error... I'm sorry, but the ONLY military force shown on screen to use mass formations of small craft (fighters) was in fact, Starfleet.
And BTW, I do have a max level KDF so as it happens, I have a tiny bit of a clue as to what I'm writing about.
This gets thrown around so often (not the poster, but by players in general)... but what unique gameplay thing do the feds have at all? Certainly not Sci Vessels. Fed ships are tankier but KDF usually has cloaks and/or cannons on everything, not to mention the ability to use said cannons.
Feds get Diplomacy for an extra dialogue option... 3, 4 times in the course of the game? KDF gets marauding, which is a HUGE resource generator all the time.
So the KDF gets better access to energy drain builds, better resource generation, only have to grind 25 levels of missions that get repetitive after your first alt, cruisers that are more fun to fly.... Cryptic practically BRIBES players to play KDF mains and alts. I wonder if the 18% (or thereabouts) that gets thrown about weeds out Fed player's resource generation alts or if it includes them? I just don't see how adding 25 missions to the KDF mission arcs would really shift those numbers; nor how continually believing they are somehow victims when Cryptic has clearly tipped the scales in their favor is at all anything but annoying to them?
I really wish KDF players would get over their victim complex, its a little embarrassing.
Legit arguments in this post. But allow me to burst a few of the less than legit points.
For starters, what do feds get that the KDF doesn't... Ok here we go.
1) 5 tactical console ships. I don't see a single KDF ship with 5 tac consoles. Hmm...
2) Legitimate Science Ships. This is null and void now due to the castration of science in this game after season I forget what already it's been so bloody long, but that's something they have that KDF doesn't.
3) Greater ship variety. Not just in looks like it is with the KDF, but each of those ships is actually different and comes to the table with different abilities and something that actually makes it better other than a quick face-lift like many KDF ships seem to be. Also feds get way more smaller craft.
4) MACO Resilient Shield Array. Granted this is being dealt with in S7 with the adapted omega tech.
5) Armitage. A ship with the firepower and maneuverability of an escort. That comes with a hangar. Oh, and the ability to fire off 200 torps in one shot (slight exaggeration but you get the idea. And yes, only SLIGHT).
6) And last but certainly not least in this list (mostly cuz I am too lazy to think of more reasons) it seems the feds already get way more attention from the developers anyway. Many of the proposed changes and fixes to the KDF side have been ignored while a few less than necessary and more vanity proposals than anything on the fed side have been jumped on and insta-done (again, slight exaggeration but it seems like that).
Now before you call me a whiny klingon, I main my fed. If you compare playtime between my fed and my klink you will see a huge disparity in favor of my fed. But I see this as just stupid. I only play my klink because it's uniqueness from my fed. If you take more of that away, I will probably stop playing it altogether, or really have no reason to play one over the other (even though getting me to stop flying my tor'kaht might be problematic).
It is said the best weapon is one that is never fired. I disagree. The best weapon is one you only have to fire... once.
One of the Bortasqu variants has 5 tacs. Also, yes the Fleet Defiant has 5 tacs, but if it wants to cloak if has to use a slot somewhere on its cloaking device, leaving it only 4 other console slots total. Most Klingon ships can do it for free, so like on the Fleet Qin you have one less tactical console but net two more other.
On the variety thing, honestly what is it you'd like added? Not said as picking a fight or anything, but on my 3 KDF toons I don't find myself missing any of the Federation variety because all my KDF ships do everything I need and then some. BoP may not be the most brutal ship but it sure is the most fun to fly and so versatile. Battlecruiser can do everything a Soverign can do, plus turn faster, pack cannons, and cloak. Plus the Fleet Battlecruiser is just sick. Carrier is a free ship on the KDF side, or if I want to spend $20 I can drive the interesting weirdness of the Karfi. Lack a sci ship without paying, but since sci got nerfed no loss, plus again with a BoP you can do so anyways. And with the Mirror Qin I can now pick up an escort with the toughness of the Patrol Escort for just EC. Yeah there's no Armitage or tractor spam, but instead there's a good assortment of frankly better p2w consoles, Leech chief among those (even if it didn't hurt your enemies, +~16 to all power levels? Yes please!)
It seems like on ships the only two things the KDF really genuinely suffers on are variety and fleet stuff. On variety there aren't as many costumes, but really most of the C-store unlocks are just vanity toys with slight differences; only a few are truly different ships. And definately the KDF got the short end on Fleet Ships and the complete lack of discounts. But otherwise, yeah there aren't many ship options available, but the ones they do have kick butt.
1) 5 tactical console ships. I don't see a single KDF ship with 5 tac consoles. Hmm...
2) Legitimate Science Ships. This is null and void now due to the castration of science in this game after season I forget what already it's been so bloody long, but that's something they have that KDF doesn't.
3) Greater ship variety. Not just in looks like it is with the KDF, but each of those ships is actually different and comes to the table with different abilities and something that actually makes it better other than a quick face-lift like many KDF ships seem to be. Also feds get way more smaller craft.
5) Armitage. A ship with the firepower and maneuverability of an escort. That comes with a hangar. Oh, and the ability to fire off 200 torps in one shot (slight exaggeration but you get the idea. And yes, only SLIGHT).
6) And last but certainly not least in this list (mostly cuz I am too lazy to think of more reasons) it seems the feds already get way more attention from the developers anyway. Many of the proposed changes and fixes to the KDF side have been ignored while a few less than necessary and more vanity proposals than anything on the fed side have been jumped on and insta-done (again, slight exaggeration but it seems like that).
I'll completely agree that the KDF was shortchanged as far as fleet ship options go. Personally, I see the current lack of a fleet Kar'Fi, Guramba, and B'rel as far more pressing issues than the 5 tac consoles..... or at least the ning'tao skin should be an option for more BOPs! Same for the greater variety, I do believe the KDF could at least share more of its skins across same ship types, like all fleet BoPs sharing skins, etc. Its already THERE, why is it not being used?
I kinda just brushed off SCI ships, while I have never played them I understood the Gorn vessels were science vessels? The fact they all are Z-store ships makes leveling in them an expensive proposition but that's just how the faction got monetized (not personally happy with that solution at all). I think BoPs were meant to balance sci vessels before the gorn ships were finalized i concept.
The 2 final points... the HEC is the answer to the FDC. *shrugs* I expect in time we will see a KDF Flgiht deck Raptor and a Fed flight deck cruiser. Simply because Cryptic needs to sell more ships and adding a fighter bay to things is easy.
As for the extra attention.... I believe Cryptic understood early on that they simply could not justify the cost to expand the KDF faction as much as they had Starfleet. For better or worse they seem to have decided on an enticement and appeasement strategy for the KDF. Marauding and better cruisers to entice Fed players to make alts and to appease full time KDF players. This also has the happy coincidence of making the KDF get more characters, so its easier for the Devs to try to justify any expenses in expanding the KDF.
Can you show me a cannon show that had a KDF carrier and fighters?
No I cannot
Jellico....Engineer ground.....Da'val Romulan space Sci
Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
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Not the point, a carrier is not something the Federation would use since it's only purpose is war and as the show showed (mainly) they don't build straight up warships.
Don't take this the wrong way, but please, stop posting total nonsense.
Carriers were supposed to be a KDF thing ONLY. Anything involving fighters was supposed to be KDF ONLY. They gave feds Carriers (Atrox, and then the Recluse), and then they gave them a high DPS ship with fighters (Armitage). STOP. Seriously. Let the KDF have SOME things that are KDF only. The flight deck cruiser is one of the few things that the KDF have left that are theirs and theirs alone.
So stop being a typical fed and whining that you want something the KDF has.
Or better (speaking from my KDF toon here): you can have your flight deck cruiser when we get raptors that can carry fighters, or even better, raptors that can cloak (wait we can already do that), and have 5 tac consoles (nope, don't have that yet). Or when we get science ships. Or when the Chuck Norris Class Battleship (basically a jet black Oddy with an impulse modifier of 200, turn rate of 90 degrees per second, shield modifier of 5.0 with 10 shield generators, infinite hp with a base passive defense of 30% to avoidance and damage reduction, 10 weapon slots fore and aft, 20 of each console type that have no diminishing returns and is armed with roundhouse-kickarrays that use up 0 energy and do 60k damage per shot (before applying skills) with infinite accuracy bonus and 360 degree firing arc with a range of a couple light years) is put into this game.
Or I can just say what most KDF players would say in a single two letter word.
NO.
Why is this though only the KDF and why not Feds in Starfleet Command every race has carriers.why not a didicated Fed carrier.
I do play both sides Fed and Kdf.
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Why is this though only the KDF and why not Feds in Starfleet Command every race has carriers.why not a didicated Fed carrier.
I do play both sides Fed and Kdf.
SFC is basically the PC version of Star Fleet Battles, a tabletop which was created in the late 1970's.
The ship data sheets, the machanics and the weapons are basically copied over from that game.
It plays in an entirely different universe where the Federation, the Klingons and their allies fight out a massive war (the General War) that never happens in the canon Star Trek timeline.
The technology in that universe developed in entirely different directions and the ships (except for the Constitution, the D7 and the Romulan BoP) actually look totally different from canon Trek.
In fact the company that makes SFB (Amarillo Design Bureau) is not allowed to call its product Star Trek.
The only reason Interplay was allowed to put the name Star Trek on it and use models from the movies and their own designs to replace the SFB models was because it held licenses to both universes at the time.
For example the New Light Cruiser in SFB looks like this: http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4040/4651869838_f3deabefe1.jpg
In SFC the ship was represented by the Miranda.
You'll note a clear reference to Amarillo Design Bureau when you look at the starting screen of the games:
Amarillo Design Bureau went so far that they put a specific page in its own Prime Directive RPG that begins with the sentence "This is not Star Trek".
So when you mention SFC as an example you picked a very bad one since it's not actually based on Star Trek but on a 1970's tabletop that is itself based on Star Trek but has its own history and technology and is not even allowed to be called Star Trek.
SFC is basically the PC version of Star Fleet Battles, a tabletop which was created in the late 1970's.
The ship data sheets, the machanics and the weapons are basically copied over from that game.
It plays in an entirely different universe where the Federation, the Klingons and their allies fight out a massive war (the General War) that never happens in the canon Star Trek timeline.
The technology in that universe developed in entirely different directions and the ships (except for the Constitution, the D7 and the Romulan BoP) actually look totally different from canon Trek.
In fact the company that makes SFB (Amarillo Design Bureau) is not allowed to call its product Star Trek.
The only reason Interplay was allowed to put the name Star Trek on it and use models from the movies and their own designs to replace the SFB models was because it held licenses to both universes at the time.
For example the New Light Cruiser in SFB looks like this: http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4040/4651869838_f3deabefe1.jpg
In SFC the ship was represented by the Miranda.
You'll note a clear reference to Amarillo Design Bureau when you look at the starting screen of the games:
Amarillo Design Bureau went so far that they put a specific page in its own Prime Directive RPG that begins with the sentence "This is not Star Trek".
So when you mention SFC as an example you picked a very bad one since it's not actually based on Star Trek but on a 1970's tabletop that is itself based on Star Trek but has its own history and technology and is not even allowed to be called Star Trek.
I know this all very well as Starfleet Battles and Starfleet Command are not cannon ad the PC version does say Star Trek on the box.I have played it online even the dynaverse.
Star Trek Online is not cannon as well there are lots of parts that you never saw in the shows/moives and ifact having Data and Capt of the Enterprise-E as Data is dead.I don't see why the feds can't have carriers to even a free one like the KDF.
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I really wish KDF players would get over their victim complex, its a little embarrassing.
I wish feds would get over thier Pedastel complex, its a very annoying for the KDF to keep being told to "be happy" with the things we are not happy with about KDF gameplay.
I wouldn't say this as the KDF have didicated carriers and some great fighters to go alng with them.
Your not saying it doesn't make it untrue.
Between the Atrox (the slow moving science heavy VoQ clone), the Armitage (the Tac heavy fast turning escort carrier), and the upcomming Vesta (the science heavy fast turning scicort carrier) the feds have the carrier vessel class well covered.
I wouldn't say that what I would say is the KDF lack sci ships as the Gorn are suppose to fill that role but they a C Store only no free ones.I am prettty happy with my KDf char except for that one thing.
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Nope. More choices! Especially since I would want a cruiser that has at least some pets to command (with carrier commands), so that the Engineer can fulfill a role in space that he is supposed to and does on the ground.
I am aware that some people don't like carriers at all; obviously this thread is not for them.
KDF needs both a escort carrier and true sci ship with flight deck first.
I wish feds would get over thier Pedastel complex, its a very annoying for the KDF to keep being told to "be happy" with the things we are not happy with about KDF gameplay.
Between the Atrox (the slow moving science heavy VoQ clone), the Armitage (the Tac heavy fast turning escort carrier), and the upcomming Vesta (the science heavy fast turning scicort carrier) the feds have the carrier vessel class well covered.
The feds have great pets for them as well.
The Atrox is not a dediacted carrier and the Armitage which I have one doesn't have that many fighters.
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The Atrox is not a dediacted carrier and the Armitage which I have one doesn't have that many fighters.
What? The @#$%? Are you smoking? How is the Atrox anything BUT a carrier? It's too slow and unwieldy to be a science ship, which is the only other alternative. It has two hangar bays. A ton of HP. Strong shields. Lots of sci capability. All I see when I see one of those is a carrier. Nothing else.
And the Armitage is an escort carrier. Not a true carrier. But seriously, how is the Atrox NOT a dedicated carrier???
It is said the best weapon is one that is never fired. I disagree. The best weapon is one you only have to fire... once.
I'n all strict and regular cannon Starfleet has never
Built or used (fighters)
Fighters I'n all star trek cannon are expendable
Resources just like firing a torpedo
Starfleet has never used it's personal this way
The Klingons never used them either but there
Racial beliefs would allow them too if they wished
And remember STO is soft/ soft serve cannon
So they can do almost anything they want to
Jellico....Engineer ground.....Da'val Romulan space Sci
Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
JJ-Verse will never be Canon or considered Lore...It will always be JJ-Verse
I'n all strict and regular cannon Starfleet has never
Built or used (fighters)
...have you actually watched any Star Trek?
Don't you remember waves of fighters being used by Starfleet in Sacrifice of Angels?
How about Sisko ordering
"Attack fighters, tactical pattern theta. Concentrate your fire on the Cardassian ships and then split off into squadrons and run like hell."?
Using the fighters as bait for Cardassian ships to lure them out of position? You know, his strategy in that battle?
Starfleet is the only group that's actually used fighter scale ships. The Klingons, Jem'Hadar, and Cardassians use light frigates, often in the same role- BoPs, Bugs, and Hidekis, respectively- and the Romulans seem solely big-gun.
Don't you remember waves of fighters being used by Starfleet in Sacrifice of Angels?
How about Sisko ordering
"Attack fighters, tactical pattern theta. Concentrate your fire on the Cardassian ships and then split off into squadrons and run like hell."?
Using the fighters as bait for Cardassian ships to lure them out of position? You know, his strategy in that battle?
Starfleet is the only group that's actually used fighter scale ships. The Klingons, Jem'Hadar, and Cardassians use light frigates, often in the same role- BoPs, Bugs, and Hidekis, respectively- and the Romulans seem solely big-gun.
If you look closely using freeze frame those ships were
Were much larger than fighters bigger than runabouts
Some looked like jakota's ship from the Maquie
More of a corvette size , however no cannon exists
With Feds building or fielding fighters of any kind.
Ds9
Voyager
Made many huge departures from cannon I'n a lot of
Episodes
Voyager perhaps the worst ( 1 shoting Borg tactical cubes )
For instance.
The Defiant from ds9 , has no game play mechanics
To back up it's capabilities that make any sense with the
Rest of the star trek cannon
Many fans refer to anything made after tos and to the
Release of TNG soft cannon others disagree
The main point being after Gene Rs death anyone who
Had the rights could do anything they wanted to do with
The game.
TNG , ds9 , Voy, changed cannon at the drop of a deadline
I'n there shows then contradict themselves 3 shows later.
I liked the shows but the facts are facts
Just like this game
Weapon range 10 km
No
Fh11 Phasers on a Excelcior has a maximum range of
240,000 km
With this I'n mind see how useless fighters really are ?
A fighters weapon range is 10 km because there do small
A Capitol ship weapon is bigger than the fighter itself
STO wanted fighters so they changed weapon ranges to
Add them into the game
Jellico....Engineer ground.....Da'val Romulan space Sci
Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
JJ-Verse will never be Canon or considered Lore...It will always be JJ-Verse
Complain all you want but you are asking for the wrong things. And some of you are simultaniously complaining about then asking for the same things.
For instance "KDF uniqueness is being sold out, I want a sci ship." That there highlights the general misunderstanding. If you don't get it the KDF has the BOP somthing the fed side doesen't have. In return the feds get science vessels. In fact the KDF can buy science vessels but the feds can not buy a bop like vessel so there ya go.
As for carriers again most arguments are heavily flawed. Yes the federation HAS been seen using small craft to fight in large scale battles We can only assume that they were carried there by a mother ship, Its also just as safe to assume the periguin flew there under its own power. No the periguin doesn't count as a fighter as its understood today since it has a crew of about 5. Yed origionaly The carrier class vessel was supposed to be kdf only but the again the science vessel was supposed to be fed only. In fact origionaly before C-store ships the kdf had more end game ship choices than the feds (as far as classes go).
Besides the bulk of the kdf fleet lies at lower levels the total number of ships is almost identical considering that 6 of the fed ships exist at levels that don't exist for the kdf.
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FYI, less than half of the player base play KDF. Also, Carriers are by very definition unique to people other than the Federation. The Federation does not use carriers therefore it's a hardcore (more than STO already is) canonical error. By the way, if you actually played KDF, you would not think the same but since you're too dumb to play KDF...
As to the Vesta, if that thing exists in this game than I'm done with STO and Cryptic. I refuse to pay Cryptic to produce such blatant pieces of content that TRIBBLE over the other faction.
Can you show me a cannon show that had a KDF carrier and fighters?
I think at that point Cryptic was still wanting to believe it could somehow develop more unique features for both sides. PWE, for all its negatives DID splash a nice freezing bucket of water on their faces and made them (or by giving them cash, finally allowed them to... depending on your POV) get things done. And that meant reusing anything and everything, as well as rethinking their old sacred cows.
I do believe that the 16-18% that gets thrown around is indeed less than half the playerbase..... you have an unusual way of quoting people.
As for it being a canonical error... I'm sorry, but the ONLY military force shown on screen to use mass formations of small craft (fighters) was in fact, Starfleet.
And BTW, I do have a max level KDF so as it happens, I have a tiny bit of a clue as to what I'm writing about.
There are already too many carriers and pet spam in this game.
Legit arguments in this post. But allow me to burst a few of the less than legit points.
For starters, what do feds get that the KDF doesn't... Ok here we go.
1) 5 tactical console ships. I don't see a single KDF ship with 5 tac consoles. Hmm...
2) Legitimate Science Ships. This is null and void now due to the castration of science in this game after season I forget what already it's been so bloody long, but that's something they have that KDF doesn't.
3) Greater ship variety. Not just in looks like it is with the KDF, but each of those ships is actually different and comes to the table with different abilities and something that actually makes it better other than a quick face-lift like many KDF ships seem to be. Also feds get way more smaller craft.
4) MACO Resilient Shield Array. Granted this is being dealt with in S7 with the adapted omega tech.
5) Armitage. A ship with the firepower and maneuverability of an escort. That comes with a hangar. Oh, and the ability to fire off 200 torps in one shot (slight exaggeration but you get the idea. And yes, only SLIGHT).
6) And last but certainly not least in this list (mostly cuz I am too lazy to think of more reasons) it seems the feds already get way more attention from the developers anyway. Many of the proposed changes and fixes to the KDF side have been ignored while a few less than necessary and more vanity proposals than anything on the fed side have been jumped on and insta-done (again, slight exaggeration but it seems like that).
Now before you call me a whiny klingon, I main my fed. If you compare playtime between my fed and my klink you will see a huge disparity in favor of my fed. But I see this as just stupid. I only play my klink because it's uniqueness from my fed. If you take more of that away, I will probably stop playing it altogether, or really have no reason to play one over the other (even though getting me to stop flying my tor'kaht might be problematic).
On the variety thing, honestly what is it you'd like added? Not said as picking a fight or anything, but on my 3 KDF toons I don't find myself missing any of the Federation variety because all my KDF ships do everything I need and then some. BoP may not be the most brutal ship but it sure is the most fun to fly and so versatile. Battlecruiser can do everything a Soverign can do, plus turn faster, pack cannons, and cloak. Plus the Fleet Battlecruiser is just sick. Carrier is a free ship on the KDF side, or if I want to spend $20 I can drive the interesting weirdness of the Karfi. Lack a sci ship without paying, but since sci got nerfed no loss, plus again with a BoP you can do so anyways. And with the Mirror Qin I can now pick up an escort with the toughness of the Patrol Escort for just EC. Yeah there's no Armitage or tractor spam, but instead there's a good assortment of frankly better p2w consoles, Leech chief among those (even if it didn't hurt your enemies, +~16 to all power levels? Yes please!)
It seems like on ships the only two things the KDF really genuinely suffers on are variety and fleet stuff. On variety there aren't as many costumes, but really most of the C-store unlocks are just vanity toys with slight differences; only a few are truly different ships. And definately the KDF got the short end on Fleet Ships and the complete lack of discounts. But otherwise, yeah there aren't many ship options available, but the ones they do have kick butt.
I'll completely agree that the KDF was shortchanged as far as fleet ship options go. Personally, I see the current lack of a fleet Kar'Fi, Guramba, and B'rel as far more pressing issues than the 5 tac consoles..... or at least the ning'tao skin should be an option for more BOPs! Same for the greater variety, I do believe the KDF could at least share more of its skins across same ship types, like all fleet BoPs sharing skins, etc. Its already THERE, why is it not being used?
I kinda just brushed off SCI ships, while I have never played them I understood the Gorn vessels were science vessels? The fact they all are Z-store ships makes leveling in them an expensive proposition but that's just how the faction got monetized (not personally happy with that solution at all). I think BoPs were meant to balance sci vessels before the gorn ships were finalized i concept.
The 2 final points... the HEC is the answer to the FDC. *shrugs* I expect in time we will see a KDF Flgiht deck Raptor and a Fed flight deck cruiser. Simply because Cryptic needs to sell more ships and adding a fighter bay to things is easy.
As for the extra attention.... I believe Cryptic understood early on that they simply could not justify the cost to expand the KDF faction as much as they had Starfleet. For better or worse they seem to have decided on an enticement and appeasement strategy for the KDF. Marauding and better cruisers to entice Fed players to make alts and to appease full time KDF players. This also has the happy coincidence of making the KDF get more characters, so its easier for the Devs to try to justify any expenses in expanding the KDF.
No I cannot
Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
JJ-Verse will never be Canon or considered Lore...It will always be JJ-Verse
Not the point, a carrier is not something the Federation would use since it's only purpose is war and as the show showed (mainly) they don't build straight up warships.
I do play both sides Fed and Kdf.
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Star Trek Gamers
SFC is basically the PC version of Star Fleet Battles, a tabletop which was created in the late 1970's.
The ship data sheets, the machanics and the weapons are basically copied over from that game.
It plays in an entirely different universe where the Federation, the Klingons and their allies fight out a massive war (the General War) that never happens in the canon Star Trek timeline.
The technology in that universe developed in entirely different directions and the ships (except for the Constitution, the D7 and the Romulan BoP) actually look totally different from canon Trek.
In fact the company that makes SFB (Amarillo Design Bureau) is not allowed to call its product Star Trek.
The only reason Interplay was allowed to put the name Star Trek on it and use models from the movies and their own designs to replace the SFB models was because it held licenses to both universes at the time.
For example the New Light Cruiser in SFB looks like this:
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4040/4651869838_f3deabefe1.jpg
In SFC the ship was represented by the Miranda.
You'll note a clear reference to Amarillo Design Bureau when you look at the starting screen of the games:
http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/2931/sfc2splash.jpg
Amarillo Design Bureau went so far that they put a specific page in its own Prime Directive RPG that begins with the sentence "This is not Star Trek".
So when you mention SFC as an example you picked a very bad one since it's not actually based on Star Trek but on a 1970's tabletop that is itself based on Star Trek but has its own history and technology and is not even allowed to be called Star Trek.
I know this all very well as Starfleet Battles and Starfleet Command are not cannon ad the PC version does say Star Trek on the box.I have played it online even the dynaverse.
Star Trek Online is not cannon as well there are lots of parts that you never saw in the shows/moives and ifact having Data and Capt of the Enterprise-E as Data is dead.I don't see why the feds can't have carriers to even a free one like the KDF.
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Star Trek Gamers
R.I.P
I wouldn't say this as the KDF have didicated carriers and some great fighters to go alng with them.
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Star Trek Gamers
I wish feds would get over thier Pedastel complex, its a very annoying for the KDF to keep being told to "be happy" with the things we are not happy with about KDF gameplay.
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Your not saying it doesn't make it untrue.
Between the Atrox (the slow moving science heavy VoQ clone), the Armitage (the Tac heavy fast turning escort carrier), and the upcomming Vesta (the science heavy fast turning scicort carrier) the feds have the carrier vessel class well covered.
The feds have great pets for them as well.
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Star Trek Gamers
KDF needs both a escort carrier and true sci ship with flight deck first.
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The Atrox is not a dediacted carrier and the Armitage which I have one doesn't have that many fighters.
USS WARRIOR NCC 1720 Commanding Officer
Star Trek Gamers
Rear Admiral , Engineering Division
U.S.S. Sheffield N.C.C. 92016
It is not a Federation designed carrier.
USS WARRIOR NCC 1720 Commanding Officer
Star Trek Gamers
Rear Admiral , Engineering Division
U.S.S. Sheffield N.C.C. 92016
What? The @#$%? Are you smoking? How is the Atrox anything BUT a carrier? It's too slow and unwieldy to be a science ship, which is the only other alternative. It has two hangar bays. A ton of HP. Strong shields. Lots of sci capability. All I see when I see one of those is a carrier. Nothing else.
And the Armitage is an escort carrier. Not a true carrier. But seriously, how is the Atrox NOT a dedicated carrier???
Built or used (fighters)
Fighters I'n all star trek cannon are expendable
Resources just like firing a torpedo
Starfleet has never used it's personal this way
The Klingons never used them either but there
Racial beliefs would allow them too if they wished
And remember STO is soft/ soft serve cannon
So they can do almost anything they want to
Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
JJ-Verse will never be Canon or considered Lore...It will always be JJ-Verse
Don't you remember waves of fighters being used by Starfleet in Sacrifice of Angels?
How about Sisko ordering
"Attack fighters, tactical pattern theta. Concentrate your fire on the Cardassian ships and then split off into squadrons and run like hell."?
Using the fighters as bait for Cardassian ships to lure them out of position? You know, his strategy in that battle?
Starfleet is the only group that's actually used fighter scale ships. The Klingons, Jem'Hadar, and Cardassians use light frigates, often in the same role- BoPs, Bugs, and Hidekis, respectively- and the Romulans seem solely big-gun.
If you look closely using freeze frame those ships were
Were much larger than fighters bigger than runabouts
Some looked like jakota's ship from the Maquie
More of a corvette size , however no cannon exists
With Feds building or fielding fighters of any kind.
Ds9
Voyager
Made many huge departures from cannon I'n a lot of
Episodes
Voyager perhaps the worst ( 1 shoting Borg tactical cubes )
For instance.
The Defiant from ds9 , has no game play mechanics
To back up it's capabilities that make any sense with the
Rest of the star trek cannon
Many fans refer to anything made after tos and to the
Release of TNG soft cannon others disagree
The main point being after Gene Rs death anyone who
Had the rights could do anything they wanted to do with
The game.
TNG , ds9 , Voy, changed cannon at the drop of a deadline
I'n there shows then contradict themselves 3 shows later.
I liked the shows but the facts are facts
Just like this game
Weapon range 10 km
No
Fh11 Phasers on a Excelcior has a maximum range of
240,000 km
With this I'n mind see how useless fighters really are ?
A fighters weapon range is 10 km because there do small
A Capitol ship weapon is bigger than the fighter itself
STO wanted fighters so they changed weapon ranges to
Add them into the game
Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
JJ-Verse will never be Canon or considered Lore...It will always be JJ-Verse
For instance "KDF uniqueness is being sold out, I want a sci ship." That there highlights the general misunderstanding. If you don't get it the KDF has the BOP somthing the fed side doesen't have. In return the feds get science vessels. In fact the KDF can buy science vessels but the feds can not buy a bop like vessel so there ya go.
As for carriers again most arguments are heavily flawed. Yes the federation HAS been seen using small craft to fight in large scale battles We can only assume that they were carried there by a mother ship, Its also just as safe to assume the periguin flew there under its own power. No the periguin doesn't count as a fighter as its understood today since it has a crew of about 5. Yed origionaly The carrier class vessel was supposed to be kdf only but the again the science vessel was supposed to be fed only. In fact origionaly before C-store ships the kdf had more end game ship choices than the feds (as far as classes go).
Besides the bulk of the kdf fleet lies at lower levels the total number of ships is almost identical considering that 6 of the fed ships exist at levels that don't exist for the kdf.
Read this....
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=386491
It's a generalized breakdown on where shipping lies and what exactly the differences are for better or worse.
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