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Federation Flight Deck Cruiser?

sophlogimosophlogimo Member Posts: 6,507 Arc User
edited December 2012 in Federation Discussion
The Orions have them: Cruisers that have one weapon slot less, but a hangar added. Starfleet has a a flight deck escort and an outright science carrier, but no cruiser type ship of the kind.


Cruisers are popular ships. Wouldn't it be logical to add a flight deck cruiser to starfleet's fleet?
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  • hereticknight085hereticknight085 Member Posts: 3,783 Arc User
    edited October 2012
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    Don't take this the wrong way, but please, stop posting total nonsense.

    Carriers were supposed to be a KDF thing ONLY. Anything involving fighters was supposed to be KDF ONLY. They gave feds Carriers (Atrox, and then the Recluse), and then they gave them a high DPS ship with fighters (Armitage). STOP. Seriously. Let the KDF have SOME things that are KDF only. The flight deck cruiser is one of the few things that the KDF have left that are theirs and theirs alone.

    So stop being a typical fed and whining that you want something the KDF has.

    Or better (speaking from my KDF toon here): you can have your flight deck cruiser when we get raptors that can carry fighters, or even better, raptors that can cloak (wait we can already do that), and have 5 tac consoles (nope, don't have that yet). Or when we get science ships. Or when the Chuck Norris Class Battleship (basically a jet black Oddy with an impulse modifier of 200, turn rate of 90 degrees per second, shield modifier of 5.0 with 10 shield generators, infinite hp with a base passive defense of 30% to avoidance and damage reduction, 10 weapon slots fore and aft, 20 of each console type that have no diminishing returns and is armed with roundhouse-kickarrays that use up 0 energy and do 60k damage per shot (before applying skills) with infinite accuracy bonus and 360 degree firing arc with a range of a couple light years) is put into this game.

    Or I can just say what most KDF players would say in a single two letter word.

    NO.
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  • shimmerlessshimmerless Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    There are way too many damn carriers in the game already. You have one that looks like a blue velvet dong and another that is literally a fighter jet lined with torpedo tubes that also launches small fighters. You're not spoiled for choice enough already?
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  • andoriansrusandoriansrus Member Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    are you serious a Cruiser for fedside thta has the ability to launch fighters ??? I want to know what your smoking..... the Feds have been given plenty of the stuff that was "supposed" to be uniquely KDF... Cloaking device, carriers, and now the lockboxes that give the feds all of the cool console toys that we KDF players Like to use....

    give it a rest already... you wanna play with the cool toys that the KDF gets... make a KDF character and level it up... spend a few thousand Zpoints buy the ships you want and have a blast... seriously before to long there will be no playable KDF faction. Why ? because it will ALL be available to the Fedrats if Cryptic and PWE keep giving in to the demands of these "wanna be" Klingons in Fed ships.....
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  • reichwald12reichwald12 Member Posts: 95 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    andoriansrus wrote: »
    are you serious a Cruiser for fedside thta has the ability to launch fighters ??? I want to know what your smoking..... the Feds have been given plenty of the stuff that was "supposed" to be uniquely KDF... Cloaking device, carriers, and now the lockboxes that give the feds all of the cool console toys that we KDF players Like to use....

    give it a rest already... you wanna play with the cool toys that the KDF gets... make a KDF character and level it up... spend a few thousand Zpoints buy the ships you want and have a blast... seriously before to long there will be no playable KDF faction. Why ? because it will ALL be available to the Fedrats if Cryptic and PWE keep giving in to the demands of these "wanna be" Klingons in Fed ships.....

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  • decker03decker03 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    sophlogimo wrote: »
    The Orions have them: Cruisers that have one weapon slot less, but a hangar added. Starfleet has a a flight deck escort and an outright science carrier, but no cruiser type ship of the kind.


    Cruisers are popular ships. Wouldn't it be logical to add a flight deck cruiser to starfleet's fleet?

    I don't know about your KDF Flight Deck Cruiser (if you have 1) but mine has 8 weapons, so I'm not quite sure were you get this less weapons thing from. The only disadvantage the Marauder has is, that it's obviously an impossible task to add a fleet version.

    With Cryptics history in mind I'm pretty sure Feds will get Flight Deck Cruisers sometime, even a Fleet version I guess. If not, at least a lockbox ship will take care of this problem sooner than later.
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  • balordezulbalordezul Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    Imo they need a fleet true carrier but you have the flight deck escort and KDF does not.
  • andoriansrusandoriansrus Member Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    give it a rest already all you die hard feds always see something the KDF has and decide that you want that and cry and whine until cryptic/pwe gives you what you want... it sickens me... you want these cool toys make a KDF character and play with the cool toys... seriously as if we all wanted to play SFO (Starfleet Online)
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  • misskoryamisskorya Member Posts: 65 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    If I am not mistaken, I believe it's a fanon ship, isn't the Concorde-class such a carrier?

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  • rrincyrrincy Member Posts: 1,023
    edited October 2012
    Federation shouldnt have any more carriers imo , one ( two with the litter box ) is enough
    fighters are a KDF thing , and they should have the majority share of them


    or , as has been suggested , give the federation a flight deck cruiser , but the KDF get something like a battle cloaking raptor that doesnt have a gimpy turn rate and with 5 tac consoles in exchange
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  • misskoryamisskorya Member Posts: 65 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    No doubt. As I've said in another thread, for ever Federation vessel, the KDF should get one in-turn. Instead of treating them like the red headed step child. I own a KDF toon myself but unfortunately due to what the KDF are and their lack of PVE content. I haven't touched her in over a year. [Insert Quagmire Joke Here]

    Now, I personally don't have either the litter box or the Armitage [not to say my own Armitage isn't on the way].

    But I certainly agree there should be an exchange. Instead of the usual, Federation getting everything that was once KDF special, and the KDF getting ****e.
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  • hereticknight085hereticknight085 Member Posts: 3,783 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    misskorya wrote: »
    No doubt. As I've said in another thread, for ever Federation vessel, the KDF should get one in-turn. Instead of treating them like the red headed step child. I own a KDF toon myself but unfortunately due to what the KDF are and their lack of PVE content. I haven't touched her in over a year. [Insert Quagmire Joke Here]

    Now, I personally don't have either the litter box or the Armitage [not to say my own Armitage isn't on the way].

    But I certainly agree there should be an exchange. Instead of the usual, Federation getting everything that was once KDF special, and the KDF getting ****e.

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  • misskoryamisskorya Member Posts: 65 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    hereticknight085 wrote: »
    Dust off your Klink, buy a Fleet Tor'Kaht, and then love life as a Klingon again.

    That requires leveling >.<

    Perhaps. I was told recently I could possibly level myself through DOFFs, so yes. I may just well indeed do that. I do miss my Orion.
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  • contrarydecisioncontrarydecision Member Posts: 274 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    So. What I'm hearing is a fairly reasonable request, if not relatively redundant since they could just get the existing Atrox or Armitage. Then several Klingons, attracted by the scent of someone wanting the type of gameplay that used to be ~theirs~ pile in and start howling and babbling about how carriers and fighters are the KDF's toys and ugh greedy feds crying until they get what they want.

    Did I miss anything there? Good. Lets never mind that Klingons were never shown to use any sort of carrier/fighter doctrine, not even in soft-canon, while feds have Peregrines, countless shuttlecraft, the Typhon class from that silly PS1 era game, the Akira class (abloo bloo it was never shown as a carrier... and it was never shown using those 15 torpedo tubes worth a damn but everyone seems just fine with THAT part), etc.
  • momawmomaw Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    I hear lots of noise that amounts to "No! That is OUR TOY and we do not share."

    Get over it, people. Seriously. Carriers aren't KDF-only. If that's what the developers intended then they wouldn't have added the Atrox, the Armitage, and the Recluse. They did, so your argument is invalid. And just to put the brakes on any nonsensical retorts about greed or favoritism, I have 2 KDF characters and 1 Federation character.

    Personally I would like to see a flight deck cruiser for Federation, though honestly I put a Federation frigate-class pet higher on the want scale, and a total overhaul of carrier pet AI and UI higher than both.
  • andoriansrusandoriansrus Member Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    momaw wrote: »
    I hear lots of noise that amounts to "No! That is OUR TOY and we do not share."

    If that's what the developers intended then they wouldn't have added the Atrox, the Armitage, and the Recluse. They did, so your argument is invalid. And just to put the brakes on any nonsensical retorts about greed or favoritism, I have 2 KDF characters and 1 Federation character.

    Personally I would like to see a flight deck cruiser for Federation, though honestly I put a Federation frigate-class pet higher on the want scale, and a total overhaul of carrier pet AI and UI higher than both.

    WRONG... the Carriers came about because fed players complained about all of the fighter/frigate spam... and after all the complaints were tallied up the federation got the Atrox... not 2 months later they got the armatage..... and before you start calling me out as bing one of those that scream these are our toys and we are not sharing.... I have 3 fed characters and 3 KDF characters all at max level, now back to my rant..... most everything that was unique to the KDF (approximately 70% of the unique KDF stuff) is now in the hands of the federation.... so NO I dont think that the Federation needs a flight deck cruiser... you want a flight deck cruiser make a KDF character and play there....
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  • darkrojidarkroji Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    I do hope you and the OP realize that the Flight Deck Cruiser is something uniquely Orion CANONICALLY, meaning no the Feds cannot have it and NO they don't need it. Stop whining every 2 seconds about unique KDF stuff and work with what you have....geez people.

    For the record I have 4 Feds and 1 KDF.
  • rrincyrrincy Member Posts: 1,023
    edited October 2012
    i tend to agree , whats the point of making the two factions identical
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  • krayuskorianiskrayuskorianis Member Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    darkroji wrote: »
    I do hope you and the OP realize that the Flight Deck Cruiser is something uniquely Orion CANONICALLY, meaning no the Feds cannot have it and NO they don't need it. Stop whining every 2 seconds about unique KDF stuff and work with what you have....geez people.

    For the record I have 4 Feds and 1 KDF.

    But... and this is a what-if... Since it's 2409, what if a species in the Federation actually develop a Flight Deck Cruiser?
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  • snipe048snipe048 Member Posts: 168 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    The federation really doesn't need any more T5 and below carriers, they just don't.

    I Play Federation almost exclusively, and I don't think we need any more carriers, 2 plus a cross faction is plenty. What we need is More Science vessels and a couple more HEAVY cruisers.

    The KDF need Content, lots of it.

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  • darkrojidarkroji Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    krayuskorianis wrote: »
    But... and this is a what-if... Since it's 2409, what if a species in the Federation actually develop a Flight Deck Cruiser?

    Unlikely. A Flight Deck Cruiser is not something the Federation would use anyways. Not what the Faction has been built up to be.
  • khayuungkhayuung Member Posts: 1,876 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    The upcoming Vesta, is effectively a Flight Deck Cruiser with a Karfi boff layout, Sensor Analysis, SUBSYSTEM TARGETING, the turn rate of a Neg'vhar, and can load dual cannons. We know this given the information coming out of Tribble.

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  • skyranger1414skyranger1414 Member Posts: 1,785 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    hereticknight085 wrote: »
    ...

    Don't take this the wrong way, but please, stop posting total nonsense.

    Carriers were supposed to be a KDF thing ONLY.


    This gets thrown around so often (not the poster, but by players in general)... but what unique gameplay thing do the feds have at all? Certainly not Sci Vessels. Fed ships are tankier but KDF usually has cloaks and/or cannons on everything, not to mention the ability to use said cannons.


    Feds get Diplomacy for an extra dialogue option... 3, 4 times in the course of the game? KDF gets marauding, which is a HUGE resource generator all the time.

    So the KDF gets better access to energy drain builds, better resource generation, only have to grind 25 levels of missions that get repetitive after your first alt, cruisers that are more fun to fly.... Cryptic practically BRIBES players to play KDF mains and alts. I wonder if the 18% (or thereabouts) that gets thrown about weeds out Fed player's resource generation alts or if it includes them? I just don't see how adding 25 missions to the KDF mission arcs would really shift those numbers; nor how continually believing they are somehow victims when Cryptic has clearly tipped the scales in their favor is at all anything but annoying to them?

    I really wish KDF players would get over their victim complex, its a little embarrassing.
  • somriksomrik Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    skyranger1414 wrote: »
    This gets thrown around so often (not just by the poster, but by KDF players in general)... but what unique gameplay thing do the feds have at all? Certainly not Sci Vessels. Fed ships are tankier but KDF usually has cloaks and/or cannons on everything, not to mention the ability to use said cannons.


    Feds get Diplomacy for an extra dialogue option... 3, 4 times in the course of the game? KDF gets marauding, which is a HUGE resource generator all the time.

    So the KDF gets better access to energy drain builds, better resource generation, only have to grind 25 levels of missions that get repetitive after your first alt, cruisers that are more fun to fly.... Cryptic practically BRIBES players to play KDF mains and alts. I wonder if the 18% (or thereabouts) that gets thrown about weeds out Fed player's resource generation alts or if it includes them? I just don't see how adding 25 missions to the KDF mission arcs would really shift those numbers; nor how continually believing they are somehow victims when Cryptic has clearly tipped the scales in their favor is at all anything but annoying to them?

    I really wish KDF players would get over their victim complex, its a little embarrassing.

    *shrug* IM pretty sure before Cryptic got bought out it was stated Feds would never get carriers.

    Again Im not too worked up over. After all most of time fights is through builds and skill righ-
    khayuung wrote: »
    The upcoming Vesta, is effectively a Flight Deck Cruiser with a Karfi boff layout, Sensor Analysis, SUBSYSTEM TARGETING, the turn rate of a Neg'vhar, and can load dual cannons. We know this given the information coming out of Tribble.

    1 fed ship. Carrying more stats than I cannot believe.

    A PROTOTYPE SHIP more awesome than the FLAGSHIP.

    Its Star Trek the Anime, folks.

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    Might as well stick on a Spinal Phaser Lance on the damn thing.

    What else is it missing?

    Oh right a tactical Cloak might as well give it the ability to cloak in battle too. Its already OP lets make it the most Over Powered ship in the entire game!

    The only way this can make it more OP is that if it has a console that would one shot everything it sees on the screen!

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  • chi1701dchi1701d Member Posts: 174 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    darkroji wrote: »
    Unlikely. A Flight Deck Cruiser is not something the Federation would use anyways. Not what the Faction has been built up to be.

    To be honest, the use of a hanger bay for a Fed cruiser could be developed onto a cruiser with the intention of speeding up the exploration of space with the help of numerous shuttles.

    How ever, Id rather the Fed didnt get hanger but instead just got a turn rate increase :)
  • jellico1jellico1 Member Posts: 2,719
    edited October 2012
    I'n cannon the Federation didn't have or use fighters
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