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  • atatassaultatatassault Member Posts: 1,008 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    icegavel wrote: »
    People always assume the worst.
    Only some do that. The rest of us call them "jaded".
  • webdeathwebdeath Member Posts: 1,570 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    My question is, these new Kits we can get via the Reputation system, are they actually New Power combination Kits.. or just rehashes with perhaps different energy types?

    Also, will this be a way to get the Borg Medical Analysis Kit? Or has that been truelly retired?
    You think that your beta test was bad?
    Think about this:
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  • atatassaultatatassault Member Posts: 1,008 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    zerobang wrote: »
    now that they display the visuals, yes very much, a full MACO Crew should look neat!
    I don't like the way its handled. For one, if you want any Mk 12 parts on your Boffs, you need to give it a Mk 12 Armor. Two, its an all or nothing deal. If you put 12 on your boff for the chest piece, you get the helmet whether you want it or not.

    There's also weird clashing with other costume pieces. My Female Orion in Mk 11 Omega still used Orion Shoulders and necklace. Skirts override STF bottoms.

    Boffs should just be able to have a costume type option in the tailor pulldown just like your character.
    has there been any progress in making the Set Powers usable by BOffs?
    AFAIK they can only use the passive abilities but not the ones that would go in the Power Bar.
    Boffs *can* use the set clickies. Mine use the Omega Cloaking Device. I brought this to Bort's attention a while back, and apparently the Boffs just don't realize the STF auto remodulate is a power than can be used for remodulation. I don't know if he got around to flagging it as such yet.
  • vesterengvestereng Member Posts: 2,252 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Yes but what makes you think players are getting visuals that are any different?

    The TRON costumes have nothing to do with Omega Force.

    They're tied to NPCs in Facility 4028 and a Lobi store bridge officer.


    Because I saw the uniform on the test server and recognized them ?
    And even before that I read in the blog, probably you did too, it clear states that the reputation system sets are a "varient" of the omega/honorguard/maco.

    So the question is are the old visuals replaced by the tron set, are they the "varient", new standing MK XII...
  • leviathan99#2867 leviathan99 Member Posts: 7,747 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    vestereng wrote: »
    Because I saw the uniform on the test server and recognized them ?
    And even before that I read in the blog, probably you did too, it clear states that the reputation system sets are a "varient" of the omega/honorguard/maco.

    So the question is are the old visuals replaced by the tron set, are they the "varient", new standing MK XII...

    Okay. But are costume unlocks for owning a set going away? Or is the costume unlock in addition to the sets having a visual?

    And are you sure you didn't see someone with a Lobi BOff?
  • canis36canis36 Member Posts: 737 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    I forget where to find it, but it was explicitly stated that they were removing none of the costume unlocks from the game, but that there would be new ones added to go along with "new" sets that have the same functionality as the sets that are currently faction-locked.

    In other words, all the old unlocks are still there but now we can get a second MACO set that has the same stats and bonuses as the KHG set if we're fed or a second KHG set that has the same stats and bonuses as the MACO set if we're KDF. Each of these new sets has a new costume unlock associated with it.
  • vesterengvestereng Member Posts: 2,252 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    I am not sure about anything, heheh.

    I am asking if the new "varient" is replacing the old set in the store, in so you can only get the new set (whatever is it, tron or not, albeit I think tron we will see).

    As far as the old visuals you keep what you have and so also my point; if you cannot get the old visuals under the new system, the old visuals are the new elite!

    They will be an un-obtainable trophy and perhaps even the biggest in the game, for what they represent and since they are gone (from requistion not from wearing them)
  • mav75mav75 Member Posts: 113 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    We may choose to add more variants of all types of weaponry to these stores in the future.

    If that comes to pass, they will automatically be added to existing unlocks, not put in as additional projects.

    Do it now.
  • leviathan99#2867 leviathan99 Member Posts: 7,747 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    vestereng wrote: »
    I am not sure about anything, heheh.

    I am asking if the new "varient" is replacing the old set in the store, in so you can only get the new set (whatever is it, tron or not, albeit I think tron we will see).

    As far as the old visuals you keep what you have and so also my point; if you cannot get the old visuals under the new system, the old visuals are the new elite!

    They will be an un-obtainable trophy and perhaps even the biggest in the game, for what they represent and since they are gone (from requistion not from wearing them)

    You still get the old visuals as a costume unlock for completing a set, don't you?
  • vesterengvestereng Member Posts: 2,252 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Adapted MACO Ground and Space Set
    o These sets of gear will reflect the same stats currently available only on the Klingon Honor Guard equivalents.
    o Visuals of the Space Set will be the same as the existing Mk XII MACO Space Set
    o Visuals of the Ground Set will be an entirely new variant of the existing Mk XII MACO Ground Armor

    Adapted Klingon Honor Guard Ground and Space Set
    o These sets of gear will reflect the same stats currently available only on the MACO equivalents.
    o Visuals of the Space Set will be the same as the existing Mk XII Klingon Honor Guard Space Set
    o Visuals of the Ground Set will be an entirely new variant of the existing Mk XII Klingon Honor Guard Ground Armor

    http://sto.perfectworld.com/news/?p=726221

    I definitely read that as you can no longer obtain the old visuals, which was the whole rationalization behind converting the stf system, easier access to the ground sets, right ?
    I am pretty sure if you got 2 costume unlocks with each set the blog would brag about it, don't you

    Well anyway if this is true, you now can't get them at all, ever, forced into a plastic replica that reads wanna-be on the back, stallowned :P
  • mrtsheadmrtshead Member Posts: 487 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    vestereng wrote: »
    http://sto.perfectworld.com/news/?p=726221

    I definitely read that as you can no longer obtain the old visuals, which was the whole rationalization behind converting the stf system, easier access to the ground sets, right ?
    I am pretty sure if you got 2 costume unlocks with each set the blog would brag about it, don't you

    Well anyway if this is true, you now can't get them at all, ever, forced into a plastic replica that reads wanna-be on the back, stallowned :P

    I have no idea why you read that to say that the old visuals are going away - the old costumes are tied to accolades, which are in turn tied to getting the set items themselves, not the Prototype tech drops, so, since you can still get the old set items (as in 'they will be available in the reputation store'), you can still unlock the costumes by getting the accolades, unless the devs very deliberately went in and disabled those accolades.

    To be clear, the new sets are new options being added to our current ones, they are not replacing anything.
  • leviathan99#2867 leviathan99 Member Posts: 7,747 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    vestereng wrote: »
    http://sto.perfectworld.com/news/?p=726221

    I definitely read that as you can no longer obtain the old visuals, which was the whole rationalization behind converting the stf system, easier access to the ground sets, right ?
    I am pretty sure if you got 2 costume unlocks with each set the blog would brag about it, don't you

    Well anyway if this is true, you now can't get them at all, ever, forced into a plastic replica that reads wanna-be on the back, stallowned :P

    Adapted MACO is for Klingons. Adapted Honor Guard is for Feds.

    The new visuals basically just mean that Feds won't be running around in a PURE Honor Guard costume and KDF won't be running around in a pure MACO suit.

    Adapted are "opposite faction only" variants.
  • vesterengvestereng Member Posts: 2,252 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    I see no new accolades in regards to stf minus "adapted commando" with is collect the adapted set.
    I am new here but I didn't know you could earn the sets doing accolades ?

    Saying you think they are going to be in the store is certainly possible and of course I cannot know before I spend the 3 months or w/e.

    However if you look on tribble now in the reputation system under unlock it doesn't read 2 sets per. unlock, it reads 1. (minus the last tier where you get an extra unlock for optional, like now)
    And since that quote clearly says the visuals are new what else can I assume

    /edit

    That changes nothing if it's a hybrid set or not - you still missing the old kling and fed visuals

    Else it should read "adapted kling, kling, omega... etc"
  • leviathan99#2867 leviathan99 Member Posts: 7,747 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    vestereng wrote: »
    I see no new accolades in regards to stf minus "adapted commando" with is collect the adapted set.
    I am new here but I didn't know you could earn the sets doing accolades ?

    Saying you think they are going to be in the store is certainly possible and of course I cannot know before I spend the 3 months or w/e.

    However if you look on tribble now in the reputation system under unlock it doesn't read 2 sets per. unlock, it reads 1. (minus the last tier where you get an extra unlock for optional, like now)
    And since that quote clearly says the visuals are new what else can I assume

    Okay. Let me explain:

    The armor now have visuals. That's new. They also unlock as editable costumes when you get a complete set. The accolade unlocks the costume. The accolade is awarded for acquiring a set.

    Adapted Honor Guard is a new FEDERATION ONLY set.

    Adapted MACO is a new KLINGON ONLY set.

    Collect the set. Get the accolade. Get the costume.

    Same as before aside from the addition now that you can display a set you don't have editing rights to by putting on armor.
  • leviathan99#2867 leviathan99 Member Posts: 7,747 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Most importantly: An armor visual is not a costume. A costume is not an armor visual.

    Armor visuals come from wearing armor. Costumes are not tied to wearing the armor, are editable, and unlock when you complete a set.
  • ineluki71ineluki71 Member Posts: 60 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Two things I found so far (posted on another thread which was not official):

    Reputation Screen - Some items are adding very slowly when you contribute in the new reputation screen. Ex. Romulan Marks

    Old Borg Trade Items - Not sure if this is something that got missed or not, but [Encrypted Data Chip] ,[Prototype Borg Salvage] , etc are still in my inventory. What do you do with them now?
  • ineluki71ineluki71 Member Posts: 60 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    B'Tran - Battle Group - Mission for terradome not showing any updated rewards such as Omega Marks.
  • vesterengvestereng Member Posts: 2,252 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Okay. Let me explain:

    The armor now have visuals. That's new. They also unlock as editable costumes when you get a complete set. The accolade unlocks the costume. The accolade is awarded for acquiring a set.

    Adapted Honor Guard is a new FEDERATION ONLY set.

    Adapted MACO is a new KLINGON ONLY set.

    Collect the set. Get the accolade. Get the costume.

    Same as before aside from the addition now that you can display a set you don't have editing rights to by putting on armor.

    Well if you've tried it on tribble you of course know what's what.

    And I get you are saying the armor slot alone now unlocks a visual, just like lower level gear always did.
    But you are saying "that's new", is that the armor that's now of the feature.
    But at what point does the old honorguard and maco become a costume set, editable, and not an "armor slot" replica ?

    If that's how you unlock the old visuals they aren't editable right and I haven't seen it explained anywhere in my defense

    If you can't edit the whole set it's still the same point

    /edit

    So you unlock the old accolades for the full editable old visuals getting the new full sets ? Is that it
  • mrtsheadmrtshead Member Posts: 487 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    vestereng wrote: »
    Well if you've tried it on tribble you of course know what's what.

    And I get you are saying the armor slot alone now unlocks a visual, just like lower level gear always did.
    But you are saying "that's new", is that the armor that's now of the feature.
    But at what point does the old honorguard and maco become a costume set, editable, and not an "armor slot" replica ?

    If that's how you unlock the old visuals they aren't editable right and I haven't seen it explained anywhere in my defense

    If you can't edit the whole set it's still the same point

    The COSTUME unlock is like we said - from accolades for getting the sets. Right now, when you get the Mk XII MACO, Omega, or Honor Guard set for ground, you get an accolade, and that accolade then unlocks a costume slot and the special costume to go with it, which you can then edit in the tailor. That part is NOT changing, so when you purchase a Mk XII set from the new reputation store, you will unlock the appropriate look as an editable costume. To get the 'Elite' look, you need to have a complete set, AND will have to have completed the optionals on Infected Ground/Space elite, Cure Ground/Space elite, and Khitomer Accord Ground/Space elite.

    Presumably, the NEW sets will operate largely the same way - you get a costume unlock for getting the full set. What is also new is that each armor now has the 'default' look attached to it, so you can put it on your BOFFs and have them 'match' you. As you say, though, this look is NOT customizable, it will simply be the normal 'default' look.
  • borticuscrypticborticuscryptic Member Posts: 2,478 Cryptic Developer
    edited November 2012
    Okay. Let me explain:

    The armor now have visuals. That's new. They also unlock as editable costumes when you get a complete set. The accolade unlocks the costume. The accolade is awarded for acquiring a set.

    Adapted Honor Guard is a new FEDERATION ONLY set.

    Adapted MACO is a new KLINGON ONLY set.

    Collect the set. Get the accolade. Get the costume.

    Same as before aside from the addition now that you can display a set you don't have editing rights to by putting on armor.

    Some of this information is incorrect... I'll attempt to address it.

    All ground set armor now has a visual attached to it. You, or your Bridge Officers, can use this visual or choose to turn it off in the same manner as other existing "plastic pajamas" armor textures.

    Customizable variants of these same costumes are available after you:
    1) Complete a full set of that Mk and receive the associated Accolade.
    AND
    2) Complete an Unlock Project attached to the Omega Reputation (which will only become available after condition #1 is fulfilled).

    The change in the above is that the associated Ground Gear accolades no longer automatically unlock the costumes, but still reward the associated Titles. Players that already have earned the Costume Unlocks via the Accolades in the past will still have access to them (they lose nothing).

    Adapted Honor Guard is for KLINGONS. It is a new variant of Honor Guard armor, with a new previously-unreleased costume associated with it, but it possesses all of the stats of the MACO set of the same Mk.

    The weaponry associated with the Adapted sets utilizes new weapon geometry that matches its new purpose (Shotgun/Grenade Launcher for Adapted MACO, Sniper Rifle for Adapted Honor Guard).

    There have been rumors floating around of the new Fed Armor looking like the Honor Guard with a different texture, but this is untrue. The Adapted MACO (Feds, remember) will look like a new variant of existing MACO armor.

    The process is: Collect the set. Get the Accolade. Run the Costume Unlock Project. Get the costume.

    One extra step in the process for players new to the system. Players that already possess a full set and associated Accolade get to skip that step.

    Please, people... check your facts before posting something that sounds like "the way things are." If you're even a little unsure, please don't risk leading other players to incorrect conclusions. A lot of the unpleasantness that roosts on these forums is caused by misconceptions and rumor-mongering, so the less we have of that, the better this community will be for all of us - players and devs alike.
    Jeremy Randall
    Cryptic - Lead Systems Designer
    "Play smart!"
  • leviathan99#2867 leviathan99 Member Posts: 7,747 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Well, Borticus, the testing period literally has not been long enough for anyone to test their facts. I didn't have enough dilithium to test until this week and I was out of town last weekend.

    And if this is the final weekend of testing, then it shouldn't be possible for anyone to have hit T5 to even know personally. Today marks just two weeks of testing on tribble, not enough time for anyone to max out Omega Force rep, as I understand it. I'm not even sure anyone could have completed Mk X in this time, even if they came to Tribble with a decked out character who could afford prices that none of us knew we'd have to pay for when we transferred.

    Our facts at this point have to come from interpreting dev forum posts, critically. For example, when told that Feds would receive gear with Honor Guard stats and that one set would be called "Adapted Honor Guard," the only reasonable assumption would be that these are the same sets. It wouldn't make sense from a player perspective to call these "Adapted MACO."

    In very many cases, we cannot derive answers from actual testing without some kind of testing provisions like reputation bumps. We can only derive answers from detective work and supposition because the actual answers are not possible for us to obtain. If we're not supposed to make suppositions, we need documentation.
  • amayakitsuneamayakitsune Member Posts: 977 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    I have the Mk XI MACO already... and if I try to change my costume to the MACO armor... it doesnt work... so I cant wear any of the armor except for the one click "plastic pajama" versions.

    So... am I not going to be able to wear the previous costume I had until I reach the proper reputation tier?
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  • thundraniumthundranium Member Posts: 12 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    What happens if the reputation points has been maxed out in tier V. Is there any incentive in doing more stfs or other romulan fleet events. Can these reputation point be converted into another currencies ?
  • borticuscrypticborticuscryptic Member Posts: 2,478 Cryptic Developer
    edited November 2012
    I have the Mk XI MACO already... and if I try to change my costume to the MACO armor... it doesnt work... so I cant wear any of the armor except for the one click "plastic pajama" versions.

    So... am I not going to be able to wear the previous costume I had until I reach the proper reputation tier?

    This is not the way it is intended to work. I'd appreciate a complete detailed report via a Bug Report.

    You used the little drop-down menu in the upper-right to select the Maco outfit type, right?

    And when you say "It doesn't work" ... what exactly do you mean? What, exactly, are you seeing as a result of your attempts?
    Jeremy Randall
    Cryptic - Lead Systems Designer
    "Play smart!"
  • joenatljoenatl Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    I'm sorry I burned a good amount of time (400EDC, 150RSB, and 200 proto plus the actual salvage) to have to now spend time getting large shield charges and all the other crud to get into the Omega system to level at 5. I think some of what we banked should be of help to us before tier 5. Its an insult to have to start at 1 plus a mystery box until 5 in this new tier system for omega.
  • atatassaultatatassault Member Posts: 1,008 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Do the Adpated sets use your Faction's energy type, or the opposite energy type? That is, is the Adapted MACO shotgun phaser or disruptor? Because if its your faction, I see little use in getting both sets, since you can't efficiently use both weapons against the Borg.
  • amayakitsuneamayakitsune Member Posts: 977 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    This is not the way it is intended to work. I'd appreciate a complete detailed report via a Bug Report.

    You used the little drop-down menu in the upper-right to select the Maco outfit type, right?

    And when you say "It doesn't work" ... what exactly do you mean? What, exactly, are you seeing as a result of your attempts?


    If you mean the menu in the accessed by right clicking my character portrait, and selecting change outfit, then yes. If your are talking about the menu in the tailor to actually customize the outfit, the outfit is already customized and set in a slot... but selecting the slot to wear it does not function for M.A.C.O. or Omega Force.

    I'll submit a bug report next time Im on tribble, but if I go to change my outfit using that menu and click on the costume slot with M.A.C.O. in it (aptly named M.A.C.O.) my uniform will not change. If I happen to be wearing my default TNG Film uniform that uniform stays showing. If I happen to activate the visuals for the armor item and try to change into the M.A.C.O. costume via the same menu... I get the warning that I have visuals enabled and I may not be able to see my uniform changes, and I can disable the armor visual... but my unifomr will not have changed. This only affects my M.A.C.O. and Omega Force outfits and not my TNG Film, DS9 Admiral or Diplomat uniforms. Switching between those 3 work as intended.
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  • zeuxidemus001zeuxidemus001 Member Posts: 3,357 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    This makes me wonder if the masking field from the KHG space set is working as intended since I can use it during red alert/during combat or if thats just a bug lol.

    Would make it more usable since I never really use it since it mostly just pisses off team mates if I activate it and they are trying to start an attack run.
  • leviathan99#2867 leviathan99 Member Posts: 7,747 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    I have the Mk XI MACO already... and if I try to change my costume to the MACO armor... it doesnt work... so I cant wear any of the armor except for the one click "plastic pajama" versions.

    So... am I not going to be able to wear the previous costume I had until I reach the proper reputation tier?

    What do you mean by "doesn't work"? It works for me. Go to the tailor. Use the dropdown to select MACO. Unless you mean the costume change is getting rejected somehow?
  • leviathan99#2867 leviathan99 Member Posts: 7,747 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    If you mean the menu in the accessed by right clicking my character portrait, and selecting change outfit, then yes. If your are talking about the menu in the tailor to actually customize the outfit, the outfit is already customized and set in a slot... but selecting the slot to wear it does not function for M.A.C.O. or Omega Force.

    I'll submit a bug report next time Im on tribble, but if I go to change my outfit using that menu and click on the costume slot with M.A.C.O. in it (aptly named M.A.C.O.) my uniform will not change. If I happen to be wearing my default TNG Film uniform that uniform stays showing. If I happen to activate the visuals for the armor item and try to change into the M.A.C.O. costume via the same menu... I get the warning that I have visuals enabled and I may not be able to see my uniform changes, and I can disable the armor visual... but my unifomr will not have changed. This only affects my M.A.C.O. and Omega Force outfits and not my TNG Film, DS9 Admiral or Diplomat uniforms. Switching between those 3 work as intended.

    Tested and confirmed.
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