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Lifetime Subscription - Time based titles

fearganfeargan Member Posts: 62 Arc User
edited October 2012 in Star Trek Online General Discussion
As an open-beta lifetime subscriber, I was initially furious about the decision to give all veteran rewards away to new lifetime subscribers, but I see this as a good financial decision and I understand the motivation behind it.

My question is, will the time based title rewards and the 1000 day forum title be given to the new subscribers regardless of how much time they've spent in game? I'm fine with the rest of the rewards like ship slots, respec tokens, and even the 1000 day ship going to new subscribers, but are the titles such as "Guardian" going to be conferred as well?
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  • thedoctorblueboxthedoctorbluebox Member Posts: 749 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    Whoa, I just read the front page blog, I can't say I like the idea that new lifetime subs will get all the current veteran rewards. It demeans the nature of veteran rewards. Veteran Rewards were something special, something that long time players could really benefit from, but now everyone can get them with new lifetime subs? I don't like that, it makes the veteran rewards less unique and meaningful. It dumbs it down.

    Pretty soon everyone's gonna have all the same rewards at Gold/Lifetime/Long-Time Players, and there will be no differences between long-time players and new players. Perhaps that is their goal, to meld the two? But as a long-time player, who is past 900 days, been playing since open beta, and who bought the lifetime in year 1 of this game, I feel like you are taking uniqueness away from me. Making my 3 years of playing, less meaningful. We should be rewarded for our time in this game, and just giving it away to new lifetime subs takes that away from those of us that have been in this game for several years.
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  • pyryckpyryck Member Posts: 6 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    feargan wrote: »
    As an open-beta lifetime subscriber, I was initially furious about the decision to give all veteran rewards away to new lifetime subscribers, but I see this as a good financial decision and I understand the motivation behind it.

    My question is, will the time based title rewards and the 1000 day forum title be given to the new subscribers regardless of how much time they've spent in game? I'm fine with the rest of the rewards like ship slots, respec tokens, and even the 1000 day ship going to new subscribers, but are the titles such as "Guardian" going to be conferred as well?

    By purchasing an LTS now, you will receive all of the veteran perks up thru 1000 days on day one of your LTS.

    If you are currently a Lifer of any time at all from 1-997 days, you will be instantly granted access to all veteran rewards up thru the 1000 day, including all titles, once the devs throw the switch.
  • drudgydrudgy Member Posts: 367 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    Honestly I am one of the 970 some odd day Vetrans, and I could care less if someone buys the LTS now and gets it all. Personally I paid my money, I get my stuff, it matters to me not. If someone else wants to pay the money for an LTS by all means let them have it.

    I don't think I am entitled to anything more or less, hell I don't even pay for the game anymore other than what I spend in the C-Store. Why should I feel entitled?
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  • hravikhravik Member Posts: 1,203 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    As a long time lifer myself, I fail to see why anyone would care. If you pay for a LTS, you are all but 100% guaranteed to get those vet rewards anyway. The only things that would stop you from getting them is either you get your account banned, or the game shuts down. This is just one more incentive to give the company that keeps the game up some money, so be happy with that.
  • darkenzedddarkenzedd Member Posts: 881
    edited October 2012
    I am @ 649 days, so this actually benefits me so long as I get upgraded as well....
  • fearganfeargan Member Posts: 62 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    drudgy wrote: »
    Honestly I am one of the 970 some odd day Vetrans, and I could care less if someone buys the LTS now and gets it all. Personally I paid my money, I get my stuff, it matters to me not. If someone else wants to pay the money for an LTS by all means let them have it.

    I don't think I am entitled to anything more or less, hell I don't even pay for the game anymore other than what I spend in the C-Store. Why should I feel entitled?

    Because it's a VETERAN rewards program, that's why! We're the ones that have loyally supported the game from the beginning. Why should someone who hasn't been in the game for 1000 days get the 1000 day veteran title? This is really a kick in the junk to all the STO loyalists. :mad:
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  • trek21trek21 Member Posts: 2,246 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    feargan wrote: »
    Because it's a VETERAN rewards program, that's why! We're the ones that have loyally supported the game from the beginning. Why should someone who hasn't been in the game for 1000 days get the 1000 day veteran title? This is really a kick in the junk to all the STO loyalists. :mad:
    I really don't get why they'd care if others got their stuff easily... it's baffling :confused:

    You payed for it over-time (if you're Gold), and you got it. It's done. They're paying more for it right now, and getting it instantly instead of waiting, in exchange. A different way of getting it, but they're getting it anyway, which is more bang for their buck.

    And why do people always have to say 'kicked in their whatever' whenever they're angry? It's a most overused phrase, and annoying at that
    Was named Trek17.

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  • azniadeetazniadeet Member Posts: 1,871 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    As a 670-odd day veteran, I can sympathize with those upset. There is definitely something to be said for having the elite symbol of a veteran ship... I'm happy to be getting that sweet ship, but at the same time, I'm upset that I'm just going to be one of hundreds that get it all at once, rather than earning it myself ~a year from now.
  • fearganfeargan Member Posts: 62 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    trek21 wrote: »
    I really don't get why they'd care if others got their stuff easily... it's baffling :confused:

    You payed for it over-time (if you're Gold), and you got it. It's done. They're paying more for it right now, and getting it instantly instead of waiting, in exchange. A different way of getting it, but they're getting it anyway, which is more bang for their buck.

    And why do people always have to say 'kicked in their whatever' whenever they're angry? It's a most overused phrase, and annoying at that

    Why do people always have to fail at punctuation and grammar? :P

    The point is that we payed more for our lifetime subs than new subscribers will, we waited 1000 days for our 1000 day rewards, and now new subscribers get all the rewards without waiting or paying the same amount.
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  • neoakiraiineoakiraii Member Posts: 7,468 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    feargan wrote: »
    Why do people always have to fail at punctuation and grammar? :P

    The point is that we payed more for our lifetime subs than new subscribers will, we waited 1000 days for our 1000 day rewards, and now new subscribers get all the rewards without waiting or paying the same amount.

    And so what. I've been here since start and I don't care if someone new wants to shell out $300 for a LTS. I would be more upset if it went to the C store for 2500 zen.

    This is more about veteran players wanting to feel special for a day.
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  • thedoctorblueboxthedoctorbluebox Member Posts: 749 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    feargan wrote: »
    Because it's a VETERAN rewards program, that's why! We're the ones that have loyally supported the game from the beginning. Why should someone who hasn't been in the game for 1000 days get the 1000 day veteran title? This is really a kick in the junk to all the STO loyalists. :mad:

    Thank you, exactly how I feel. Cryptic just kicked me in the balls.
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  • thedoctorblueboxthedoctorbluebox Member Posts: 749 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    feargan wrote: »
    Why do people always have to fail at punctuation and grammar? :P

    The point is that we payed more for our lifetime subs than new subscribers will, we waited 1000 days for our 1000 day rewards, and now new subscribers get all the rewards without waiting or paying the same amount.

    I'm with you, agree 100%
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  • thedoctorblueboxthedoctorbluebox Member Posts: 749 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    neoakiraii wrote: »
    And so what. I've been here since start and I don't care if someone new wants to shell out $300 for a LTS. I would be more upset if it went to the C store for 2500 zen.

    This is more about veteran players wanting to feel special for a day.

    I have no problem with new players getting a Lifetime Sub.

    I do have a problem with new players getting a Lifetime Sub and getting all the Vet Rewards up to 1000 days instantly, that I've had to personally wait for myself for 1000 real-time days, because that was one of the perks of being a long-time player.

    The whole point of Veteran Rewards is now meaningless. They will have to re-name Veteran Rewards to something different, because it no longer means rewards for Veteran players.
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  • trek21trek21 Member Posts: 2,246 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    feargan wrote: »
    Why do people always have to fail at punctuation and grammar? :P

    The point is that we payed more for our lifetime subs than new subscribers will, we waited 1000 days for our 1000 day rewards, and now new subscribers get all the rewards without waiting or paying the same amount.
    What I'm trying to say is: why do people who payed for their hard work, and got rewarded for their hard work, have to care that others got things more easier than them?

    YOU payed for those things. YOU got rewarded for them. Why should you care about others paying, rewards, or anything of their work?

    That's what I'm confused about. What gives people the assumption that they have to watch out for others doing better than them, then get mad that it happened?
    Was named Trek17.

    Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
  • neoakiraiineoakiraii Member Posts: 7,468 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    thedoctorbluebox wrote: »
    I have no problem with new players getting a Lifetime Sub.

    I do have a problem with new players getting a Lifetime Sub and getting all the Vet Rewards up to 1000 days instantly, that I've had to personally wait for myself for 1000 real-time days, because that was one of the perks of being a long-time player.

    Those veteran rewards did not exist 1000 days ago. there are lots of silver players who been here a year and might now want to pay 300 bucks for a LTS , not like they are getting stuff for free.
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  • boglejam73boglejam73 Member Posts: 890 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    As a 990 day LTS'er, I'd just like to say that I don't give a flip when some newb gets his vet rewards. His/her money keeps the lights on and the servers running. My STO LTS money was spent a long time ago, so glad they have found a way to make LTS subs more appealing to new players.

    If you are one of those STO LTS'ers that feel they have recieved a kick to the jewels, calm down, take a deep breath, and realize that you are not a special unique snowflake. There is no coolness attached to having a 1000-day pile o' pixels that someone else didn't have to wait 1000 days to get.

    Its a game. Don't take it, or yourselves, so seriously. :D
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  • thedoctorblueboxthedoctorbluebox Member Posts: 749 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    Don't you see, they have demolished the meaning and definition of "Veteran Rewards" now. Veteran Rewards, by definition meant a reward you received every 100 days of being subbed.

    Now that you get these rewards instantly, without waiting 100 days for each new one, they have to re-name it. "Veteran" Reward no longer applies, by definition. See how they've completely ruined what it meant?
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  • khayuungkhayuung Member Posts: 1,876 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    If a scrub could cough up TWO HUNDRED DOLLARS, I'd say let him have it. He's paying for his game, and all of our's.

    The Veteran titles remain because there are Gold players in this game still paying month to month, and earning their keep.

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  • timelord79timelord79 Member Posts: 1,852 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    What is making people pissed here is the manner in which this is happenening.

    A lot of us have been wainting for the longest time to finally get to 1000 days.

    The suspense until we finally get some infos on what to expect, then the leaked pictures teasing us, then finally the official blog congratulating us for our loyalty and how the rewards are Cryptic'S way of thanking us for spending all this time with their game and then turning around 5 minutes later putting up another blog and sell out those "meaningful" rewards for the most loyal fans to anyone with some spare change...
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  • thedoctorblueboxthedoctorbluebox Member Posts: 749 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    Long time "Veteran" players are the ones getting kicked in the nads, we no longer have anything unique that separates us from people that are new to the game. Purchase a LFT Sub now, and you get all the stuff that people playing this game for 3 years have had to wait for every 100 days? It is very unfair to the long-term players, the "Veterans" of this game. We no longer have anything unique. Veteran Rewards, are instantly no longer Veteran Rewards.
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  • leviathan99#2867 leviathan99
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    edited October 2012
    I think it would achieve the same effect but better if they took all the limited time stuff (aside from FE rewards) and made it accountwide.

    Y'Know, nanopulse, the anniversary stuff, the "Next Generation" title.
  • neoakiraiineoakiraii Member Posts: 7,468 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    timelord79 wrote: »
    What is making people pissed here is the manner in which this is happenening.

    A lot of us have been wainting for the longest time to finally get to 1000 days.

    The suspense until we finally get some infos on what to expect, then the leaked pictures teasing us, then finally the official blog congratulating us for our loyalty and how the rewards are Cryptic'S way of thanking us for spending all this time with their game and then turning around 5 minutes later putting up another blog and sell out those "meaningful" rewards for the most loyal fans to anyone with some spare change...

    300 bucks is not spare change.

    Did they take it away from you no, is it coming yes.
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  • crypticarmsmancrypticarmsman Member Posts: 4,115 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    drudgy wrote: »
    Honestly I am one of the 970 some odd day Vetrans, and I could care less if someone buys the LTS now and gets it all. Personally I paid my money, I get my stuff, it matters to me not. If someone else wants to pay the money for an LTS by all means let them have it.

    I don't think I am entitled to anything more or less, hell I don't even pay for the game anymore other than what I spend in the C-Store. Why should I feel entitled?

    ^^^
    This +1000. (And if you saw my comments on the main thread, I originally was under the impression they were not going to do this and was livid; as there is no reason NOT to do it for any LTS. They paid the money up front; and there's really no 'working to earn it' involved as someone could have bougnht ten LTS - and for whatever reason decided not to log n for the next 3 years - yet after that time, still had everything.)

    I guess I don't understand the people who worry about 'what others get' since, as long as you get what you were told you were going to, what does it matter what others get?

    If anything, we early LTS got every other Vet Reward in the game before anyone else. I also find it ironic that a number of tyhe LTS Vets who feel cheated somehow were COMPLAINING about the ship, and hiow they'd never clain it or use ity as it not as 'uber' as other ships available via a variety of means - yet not it's "OMG! Everyone who has an LTS now get everything including the 'special' ship..."

    STO is a game. If you don't get enjoyment out of playing it, why are you here? And again, why are sonme so worruied about what/when others get something? In fact, given a lot of comments about the state of the game by many of gthese same folks, WHY would you 997 day vets (and I'm also a 997 day LTS vet) who feel the game is lacklustre want to advertise that you spent $240 the first day STO LTSes were offered? If the game is so lacklustre, I'd think you'd want to HIDE the fact you jumped at the LTS so early in STO's lifecycle - when there was WAY LESS of a game then there is today.
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  • boglejam73boglejam73 Member Posts: 890 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    thedoctorbluebox wrote: »
    we no longer have anything unique that separates us from people that are new to the game...

    And that is really what it is all about to you, eh? You want to be able to fly around in a 1000-day ship and say "Suck it noobs! I had a spare 300 bucks back in 2010 and you didn't! Aint I cool?!"

    Yeah, well, I too had a spare 300 bucks in 2010 and bought a LTS. Doesn't make me special or allows me to feel like I need to be "separate" from anyone else. If someone wants to slap some money down for an LTS, to fund the game that I am playing for free since before F2P (I hit my break even point like 2 months before the conversion) then I say good.

    And not having to wait around for all the vet rewards is a great way to provide incentive to people to buy the LTS.

    Sorry you don't get to feel video game special anymore.
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  • azurianstarazurianstar Member Posts: 6,985 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    thedoctorbluebox wrote: »
    I have no problem with new players getting a Lifetime Sub.

    I do have a problem with new players getting a Lifetime Sub and getting all the Vet Rewards up to 1000 days instantly, that I've had to personally wait for myself for 1000 real-time days, because that was one of the perks of being a long-time player.

    The whole point of Veteran Rewards is now meaningless. They will have to re-name Veteran Rewards to something different, because it no longer means rewards for Veteran players.

    I 10000% agree!

    I too don't have a problem with them allowing rewards up to the 400-500 Day rewards. But we literally spent over a year waiting for the 700, 800, 900, and 1000 day rewards, and here somebody with 0 playtime can get those same rewards within a few seconds! So what did we endure that wait for? Just to be kicked in between the legs when we finally reached the 1000 days???

    Honestly, its growing proof positive that this company really does not value their customers. Especially those long-time supporters of this game.

    My faith just dropped another notch. :(
  • neoakiraiineoakiraii Member Posts: 7,468 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    azurianstar wrote: »
    I 10000% agree!

    I too don't have a problem with them allowing rewards up to the 400-500 Day rewards. But we literally spent over a year waiting for the 700, 800, 900, and 1000 day rewards, and here somebody with 0 playtime can get those same rewards within a few seconds! So what did we endure that wait for? Just to be kicked in between the legs when we finally reached the 1000 days???

    Honestly, its growing proof positive that this company really does not value their customers. Especially those long-time supporters of this game.

    My faith just dropped another notch. :(

    I don't think someone who has never played this game is going to come in see the site say owwww a ship, and a monkey and shell out 300 bucks.

    You endured that wait cuz that ship did not exsit till a few weeks ago.

    The only slap in the face I see are from players who wanted to feel special for a week, and now their hopes of being cool were shatterd.
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  • azurianstarazurianstar Member Posts: 6,985 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    neoakiraii wrote: »
    I don't think someone who has never played this game is going to come in see the site say owwww a ship, and a monkey and shell out 300 bucks.

    You endured that wait cuz that ship did not exsit till a few weeks ago.

    The only slap in the face I see are from players who wanted to feel special for a week, and now their hopes of being cool were shatterd.

    The ship itself may not have been revealed til just a few days ago, but we were told about the 1000 Day Veteran Ship, a little over 500 Days ago. And many people been patiently waiting since then.

    And when we finally get it, they make it part of a sales pitch where new people can get it without waiting a single day. Yeah, that's fair! :rolleyes:
  • dracounguisdracounguis Member Posts: 5,358 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    As someone who went LTS about 30 days after launch I was always having to wait a month to get my goodies after those that paid in beta. Was annoying. Especially now, 3yrs later, where going LTS 3% later than beta people makes me wait a month every time!

    To those whining about noobs who go LTS tomorrow to get ships and rewards, YOU are not losing anything. Seems kinda freudenschadian to be angry.

    Only people who should be angry are people like me... who paid the full LTS price when Cryptic seems to keep having sales on them! :P I'll gladly take $100 in Zen in recompense.
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  • neoakiraiineoakiraii Member Posts: 7,468 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    azurianstar wrote: »
    The ship itself may not have been revealed til just a few days ago, but we were told about the 1000 Day Veteran Ship, a little over 500 Days ago. And many people been patiently waiting since then.

    And when we finally get it, they make it part of a sales pitch where new people can get it without waiting a single day. Yeah, that's fair! :rolleyes:

    Are players getting it for free, can silver players grind their hearts content and buy it off the store. No

    So yes it's fair that someone is spending 300 bucks and getting more for it than before.

    Yeah we knew they were going to have a ship for 1000 day vets, but we did not know what it was going t be. It could of been a reskin of the Luna class, or a reskin Odyssey class.
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  • sloansect31sloansect31 Member Posts: 39 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    I got an LTS at the end of Open Beta and am presently just under 2 weeks from my 1000 days... and for me this does feel like a bit of a downer.

    I was looking forward to my 1000 day ship... feeling as though I'd earnt it by waiting my 1000 days for it. Having these rewards helped keep me playing the game as I knew every 100 days I had some new "shiny" coming to play with... it was something I looked forward to as much as FE's and the like... and it kept me logging in each week/month. (And yes - most of the rewards aren't that much... but its still nice to have something to look forward!)

    Now... it looks like we're just giving everyone everything as quick as we can... levelling is now super-quick... LTS perks are given out regardless of time played... there's just less and less incentive to keep with the title!

    At the end of the day this doesn't really effect me that much... I still get my ship (2 weeks early)... but this has me more concerned about the longevity of this title and the incentive people have to stick around.
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