BoP is enhanced battle cloak, this is just the common old cloak and not the steaming pile they put on the Bortasque.
Actually, there are 3 versions of cloaks:
1. Normal Cloak. Used out of combat.
2. Battle Cloak. Can be used in and out of combat.
3. Enchanced Battle Cloak, used only on C-Store B'Rel Retrofit. Same as above, but a wider variety of powers can be used while cloaked, including ability to fire torpedoes while cloaked.
This 1000 day KDF ship has Battle Cloak, as opposed to regular Cloak
Was named Trek17.
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
It's not like the Fed ship got Battlecloak. Yes, it's usually a BOP's thing, but why shouldn't a special class of ship use it?
Because this ship is no where near as squishy as a BoP, hence a battle cloak is a logic fallacy, a balance issue, hence it shouldn't have one. For a .067 shield modifier I would be happy to see that on fed ships too. Since we are throwing game balance out the door, lets just slap it on a Bug ship while we are at it. All and all the KDF version got ALOT more out of this.
But I've given up trying to convince you, I swear you are working for cryptic, you are under the impression that Cryptic can do no wrong, no matter how wrong they are.
BoP is enhanced battle cloak, this is just the common old cloak and not the steaming pile they put on the Bortasque.
Not quite accurate.
The Enhanced Battle Cloak, exclusive the the B'Rel BoP Retrofit, is a "fire while cloaked" deal. The standard Battle Cloak, for BoPs (and now the Peghqu'), is cloaking while in combat. The last type of cloak is the one that Battlecruisers and Raptors possess - that is cloaking out of combat only.
Yes, because that's the *only* reason to get a LT Sub, amirite?
Not at all - you could pay $300 to be able to refine a whole 500 extra Dilithium per day.
You could pay it for the Liberated Borg captain.
You could pay it for the bank slots and the respecs and the free costume changes.
You could pay it for the forum title or the in-game title.
You could pay it for the Jupiter Veteran costume plus the badge (or the furry Klingon ones).
Search, the forums - plenty of people have said on many occasions that since F2P the LTS simply wasn't worth the money - and I agree.
It's a $300 ship - anyone that's considering an LTS is probably trying to justify it otherwise but since F2P, the LTS wasn't worth it. It still isn't - but you get a shiny ship now that you can't get any other way - that makes it so much more worth it...
Advanced Battle Cloak is a B'Rel Retrofit only thing that allows you to fire torps and use more abilities while cloaked. Battle Cloak is a Bird of Prey thing, you can enter it during combat, which is different from the standard cloak. And why not give it a Advanced Battle Cloak, Shinzon's Romulan Dreadnought had one 30 years ago. In STO about the only good thing about the Advanced Battle Cloak, besides trolling with an all torp build, is the ability to heal and debuff targets while cloaked. Advanced Battle Cloak more then not, gets your killed.
Hi, my name is: Elim Garak, Former Cardassian Oppressor
LTS, here since...when did this game launch again?
Because this ship is no where near as squishy as a BoP, hence a battle cloak is a logic fallacy, a balance issue, hence it shouldn't have one. For a .067 shield modifier I would be happy to see that on fed ships too. Since we are throwing game balance out the door, lets just slap it on a Bug ship while we are at it. All and all the KDF version got ALOT more out of this.
But I've given up trying to convince you, I swear you are working for cryptic, you are under the impression that Cryptic can do no wrong, no matter how wrong they are.
You could be taken more seriously if you knew what you were talking about
You could be taken more seriously if you knew what you were talking about
Exactly what have I said that was incorrect here? I challenge you to prove that I have said anything wrong here, not with nonsense attacks, but with facts, /go
You could be taken more seriously if you knew what you were talking about
Actually a Battle Cloak with any serious amount of Hull will essentially amount to a Get Out of Jail Free card. As soon as your shield start to buckle you can Brace for Impact and cloak with that level of Hull and nothing short of sustained focus fire from a group of enemies is liable to pop you... unlike with a BoP, which is why a Battle Cloak works there.
The Destroyer has about 10,000 more Hull than a Fleet Hoh'SuS or about 29% more Hull. And it has nearly 20,000 more than a Fleet Ning'tao... or about 57%.
if this becomes a fleet ship (but without the vet console) with a 10th console slot and the ability to put the vet console in it, that would be really acceptable.
But I've given up trying to convince you, I swear you are working for cryptic, you are under the impression that Cryptic can do no wrong, no matter how wrong they are.
*laughs hard* That's the most ridiculous thing I've heard since I joined these forums
I may defend Cryptic, but name one proof that supports the idea that I work for them.
Sorry, but no: I don't work for Cryptic. I simply haven't been stabbed in the back once since I joined this game So I have had no wrongs done to me, and no reason to say anything bad about them... that is all.
Was named Trek17.
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
Yep - change it to 'As someone prepared to pay $300 for a ship...'
We paid 300 dollars for a lifetime subscription for a game. The ship is a pleasant bonus, and seeing as how it's only been made detailed for a few hours it's clear that none of us bought our subs for the ship.
The battle cloak is a laugh, in terms of balance here. Ignoring that for a second, lets discuss the balance difference between these two ships as if there were no other ships in the game. So Equal Pilots, KDF has battle cloak, and FED has .067 more shield modifier, who do you think will win? Federation ship should get more, if you insist on giving KDF ship a battle cloak.
*laughs hard* That's the most ridiculous thing I've heard since I joined these forums
I may defend Cryptic, but name one proof that supports the idea that I work for them.
Sorry, but no: I don't work for Cryptic. I simply haven't been stabbed in the back once since I joined this game So I have had no wrongs done to me, and no reason to say anything bad about them... that is all.
You only pop in a forum to give a positive twist in favor of cryptic, whenever someone is speaking negatively, I can't even think of a time you've come in to say something unrelated to cryptic that wasn't defending them outright...........
But who knows, maybe I'm wrong, and you do post about other stuff... perhaps someone can vouch you here.
Exactly what have I said that was incorrect here? I challenge you to prove that I have said anything wrong here, not with nonsense attacks, but with facts, /go
Not attacking you in any shape or form but everything you said can be contradicted in the stowiki or shipyard on qo'nos. As well the information you provided on squishy and shield modifiers is bogus info too. The lower shield modifier in fact is due to the perk of Dual Cannons vs feds not being able to mount them on most of their cruisers. KDF gets those mountable but they get a lower shield modifier in its stead. As for being squishy you are refering to the 30k on a b'rel vs the 40k this new raptor will give. As far as them being squishy they will both not have any shields while integrating into cloak which that is what truely makes them squishy but a good player will bring enough defense for that to not be a problem.
It is just a matter of someone trying to impose a nerf on the KDF from a federation point of view. As far as the KDF getting the better deal... look around the KDF hasn't gotten much of anything all year so your logic and statements are seriously flawed.
Edit: Whooptydoodah it has a batte cloak and can stand one more torpedo hit LOL.
You only pop in a forum to give a positive twist in favor of cryptic, whenever someone is speaking negatively, I can't even think of a time you've come in to say something unrelated to cryptic that wasn't defending them outright...........
But who knows, maybe I'm wrong, and you do post about other stuff... perhaps someone can vouch you here.
I do occasionally answer questions others have Seen over the various subforums (most recent is the KDF ones)
Sometimes I don't even mention Cryptic, as shocking as that may seem. I simply hate hate HATE when something I like (be it STO or Cryptic, who has yet to do something I think is wrong) is attacked, I'm more-or-less in a rush to defend it.
Was named Trek17.
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
Not at all - you could pay $300 to be able to refine a whole 500 extra Dilithium per day.
You could pay it for the Liberated Borg captain.
You could pay it for the bank slots and the respecs and the free costume changes.
You could pay it for the forum title or the in-game title.
You could pay it for the Jupiter Veteran costume plus the badge (or the furry Klingon ones).
Search, the forums - plenty of people have said on many occasions that since F2P the LTS simply wasn't worth the money - and I agree.
It's a $300 ship - anyone that's considering an LTS is probably trying to justify it otherwise but since F2P, the LTS wasn't worth it. It still isn't - but you get a shiny ship now that you can't get any other way - that makes it so much more worth it...
You are correct, I will be enjoying my nice shiny ship in addition to everything you listed above, plus all the vet rewards, and extra 500 Zen / month for the life of the game. Thanks for the congratulations
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I don't care how long you've been playing. I only care about how you play.
And remember to follow the rules.
*laughs hard* That's the most ridiculous thing I've heard since I joined these forums
I may defend Cryptic, but name one proof that supports the idea that I work for them.
Sorry, but no: I don't work for Cryptic. I simply haven't been stabbed in the back once since I joined this game So I have had no wrongs done to me, and no reason to say anything bad about them... that is all.
If you don't agree with someone, you must work for the enemy! It's a (false) dilemma! If you aren't with us, you're with the terro... err, Cryptic! Ad hominem FTW!
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I don't care how long you've been playing. I only care about how you play.
And remember to follow the rules.
The battle cloak is a laugh, in terms of balance here. Ignoring that for a second, lets discuss the balance difference between these two ships as if there were no other ships in the game. So Equal Pilots, KDF has battle cloak, and FED has .067 more shield modifier, who do you think will win? Federation ship should get more, if you insist on giving KDF ship a battle cloak.
You only pop in a forum to give a positive twist in favor of cryptic, whenever someone is speaking negatively, I can't even think of a time you've come in to say something unrelated to cryptic that wasn't defending them outright...........
But who knows, maybe I'm wrong, and you do post about other stuff... perhaps someone can vouch you here.
If the new ship had the turn rate of the Jem'Hadar Attackship, I'd maybe be in agreement. But it's not nearly as powerful of an escort. I mean thankfully they are giving a non bop/squishy ship a battle cloak. But that makes me wonder how they are going to help the BoP Who's life support just got cut with the introduction of this ship...who's only nitch, besides full Universal Consoles, was it's Battle Cloak (Or Enhanced Battle cloak for the B'rel-R)
You think that your beta test was bad?
Think about this: American Football has been in open beta for 144 years. ~Kotaku
Not attacking you in any shape or form but everything you said can be contradicted in the stowiki or shipyard on qo'nos. As well the information you provided on squishy and shield modifiers is bogus info too. The lower shield modifier in fact is due to the perk of Dual Cannons vs feds not being able to mount them on most of their cruisers. KDF gets those mountable but they get a lower shield modifier in its stead. As for being squishy you are refering to the 30k on a b'rel vs the 40k this new raptor will give. As far as them being squishy they will both not have any shields while integrating into cloak which that is what truely makes them squishy but a good player will bring enough defense for that to not be a problem.
It is just a matter of someone trying to impose a nerf on the KDF from a federation point of view. As far as the KDF getting the better deal... look around the KDF hasn't gotten much of anything all year so your logic and statements are seriously flawed.
Contradictory in what way? You aren't making any sense.... Lower shield modifier due to the dual cannons vs feds CRUISERS not being able to mount them on most their cruisers perk? What...? What the heck does that have to do with this?
Actually yes, there is .067 shield modifier difference? I never argued that battle cloak helped their shields? I argued that I'd gladly sacrifice .067 shield modifier FOR a battle cloak? and the KDF 1000 day does have a battle cloak? and your logic, is seriously flawed, you don't even do the basic hull mathematics vs percentile from non battlecloak ships correctly. There is a huge margin difference between a KDF ship with just "Cloak" and a BoP with Battle Cloak, or even Enhanced Battle Cloak.
Not to mention, Station Slots, Console Slots, and Weapon Slots............ DO I NEED TO GO ON HERE?
So where is your so called logic in that?
Imposing KDF nerf from a federation point of view? uh, no, imposing a balance issue from an OBVIOUS point of view... ayeayeayeaye
If you don't agree with someone, you must work for the enemy! It's a (false) dilemma! If you aren't with us, you're with the terro... err, Cryptic! Ad hominem FTW!
Naw, I work for the Russians
But seriously, I prefer to simply play STO, browse these forums from time-to-time to see what's new, and react based on what I find. I also prefer to stand apart from most arguments
And for the record, the only money I've spent on STO was a LTS a little under 2 years ago. And it's well payed off now, so anything that's added to the game is just a bonus to me. And if I lose benefits, I don't mind, as I still played plenty to make the purchase worth it.
Not attacking you in any shape or form but everything you said can be contradicted in the stowiki or shipyard on qo'nos. As well the information you provided on squishy and shield modifiers is bogus info too. The lower shield modifier in fact is due to the perk of Dual Cannons vs feds not being able to mount them on most of their cruisers. KDF gets those mountable but they get a lower shield modifier in its stead. As for being squishy you are refering to the 30k on a b'rel vs the 40k this new raptor will give. As far as them being squishy they will both not have any shields while integrating into cloak which that is what truely makes them squishy but a good player will bring enough defense for that to not be a problem.
It is just a matter of someone trying to impose a nerf on the KDF from a federation point of view. As far as the KDF getting the better deal... look around the KDF hasn't gotten much of anything all year so your logic and statements are seriously flawed.
The only comparable ships that mount cannons KDF-side which do NOT mount cannons Fed side are Cruisers... and KDF Cruisers have the same shield modifiers on average. Compare an Assault Cruiser to a Negh'var... they're both 1.0. Raptors are equivalent to Escorts... which have always mounted cannons. The new Fed Destroyer, get this, mounts cannons. It's a tactical ship as noted by it's Commander slot. So why would you even bring up Cruisers, something we're not even dealing with...?
The only KDF ships that Battle Cloak are Birds-of-Prey (until now), and you'll notice they're all very, very squishy in order to make using it a dicey option. They in fact tend to have the lowest Hull in the game, far lower than Escorts or Raptors. In fact, even the FLEET versions of Birds-of-Prey, which I listed above, have lower Hull than this ship (one over 50% less, and the other near 30% less).
So your diatribe reflects... nothing. You're pulling stats from all over the place, with few actually referencing back to the point at hand.
Honestly, at this point I don't even know what to make of your posts. I'm tempted to think you're kidding with them...
Give up Mewi. KDF players have spent so much time compaining they have things unfair they dont recognise when they are getting a good deal.
Its like getting them to admit something they have is OP. Its impossible. Even if they know it to be true anyone saying as much is a "Fed playing KDF hater".
Give up Mewi. KDF players have spent so much time compaining they have things unfair they dont recognise when they are getting a good deal.
Its like getting them to admit something they have is OP. Its impossible. Even if they know it to be true anyone saying as much is a "Fed playing KDF hater".
Okay I will, because I know Cryptic wont do anything about it, so I'll just be preaching to the choir here
New To do List
1. Cide into Sol Star,
2. Evaporate,
3. Rebirth as a Q
4. Mess with Dan Stahl's Mind
5. Sip tea while he attempts to complete the maze o.o
Give up Mewi. KDF players have spent so much time compaining they have things unfair they dont recognise when they are getting a good deal.
Its like getting them to admit something they have is OP. Its impossible. Even if they know it to be true anyone saying as much is a "Fed playing KDF hater".
:rolleyes: I'd love to see this laundry list of what you feel is OP on the KDF side. Seriously. Please.
You think that your beta test was bad?
Think about this: American Football has been in open beta for 144 years. ~Kotaku
The only comparable ships that mount cannons KDF-side which do NOT mount cannons Fed side are Cruisers... and KDF Cruisers have the same shield modifiers on average. Compare an Assault Cruiser to a Negh'var... they're both 1.0. Raptors are equivalent to Escorts... which have always mounted cannons. The new Fed Destroyer, get this, mounts cannons. It's a tactical ship as noted by it's Commander slot. So why would you even bring up Cruisers, something we're not even dealing with...?
The only KDF ships that Battle Cloak are Birds-of-Prey (until now), and you'll notice they're all very, very squishy in order to make using it a dicey option. They in fact tend to have the lowest Hull in the game, far lower than Escorts or Raptors. In fact, even the FLEET versions of Birds-of-Prey, which I listed above, have lower Hull than this ship (one over 50% less, and the other near 30% less).
So your diatribe reflects... nothing. You're pulling stats from all over the place, with few actually referencing back to the point at hand.
Honestly, at this point I don't even know what to make of your posts. I'm tempted to think you're kidding with them...
LOL, well there are certain ships yes but the federation point of view as with a little group on here I've found is determined in their small mental aptitude that those few KDF ships are lower shield modifiers because of cloak but ones the person was referring to mostly had to do with the DC/DHC's mounting where they were trying to misconstrue information to make it look justified when the person had no idea what they were talking about.
As for numbers a B'rel is around 30k, Heavy is about 32k, Raptors(including nausicaan ships are 40k-42k so its not a big deal of it having a battle cloak in terms of what it actually does is letting you cloak during battle after a 20 second cool down. Compared to most bops you have 8k-12k hull boost with a raptor which in most cases 1 or 2 extra torpedoes than usual and target is dead before they full reintegrate. In regards to squishy I will first say the KDF as Stahl explained many times the KDF is a small portion of the player base. Now that take most playerbases how you divvy them up only a small portion of them are adequate hardcore players. Then taking both of those into example you can say with positive knowledge that less than 5% of the player of the game can get into a BoP and master it without exploding every time they go into combat with them. For me I have so much practice in them you'll rarely see me explode in one. On that note as well I can probally count on one hand how many players out there that can do the same thing I can and its mostly based on the fact majority of the really good players out there do not play the KDF. For when I don't view them as squishy and that I see that its just 1 or 2 torpedos being fired more than needed for a B'rel it is not a huge advantage for this new KDF ship to have a battle cloak.
As well to point out an escort and a raptor are 2 different ships. Most fed only players who haven't played KDF much less a raptor usually have no idea what they are talking about. A raptor is in between an escort and a cruiser/heavy battle cruiser. They both have 4 weapons front and 3 rear. Usually have the same boff stations but the raptor turns much slower and has a bit more hull to represent its size.
In canon reference the only reasons bops usually have the battle cloak due to their size but even with canon after 40 years they could atleast have expanded to raptors or possibly the raptor could have always had them in the TNG/DS9 era due to we never actually saw a raptor.
So the stating of talking about escorts and cruisers in comparison it is because of the fact the original person stating we shouldnt have a battle cloak on these raptors was comparing information against the cruiser shield modifier deal and then comparing this new raptor to escorts when the raptor is neither an escort nor cruiser. A raptor is its own class in between the frame work of an escort and cruiser. I would just recommend that anyone trying to spit out stats trying to debate an issue go and make a KDF character and ACTUALLY look at these ships before typing information that is so far from the truth. Also I wish people would quit trying to compared bops to escorts because like raptors the KDF does not have anything that is an actual comparison to comparison of an escort. Bop=smaller, Raptor=Larger and escort is in between... I guess people actually have to want to understand before they can begin to even fathom what I am talking about
I would just recommend that anyone trying to spit out stats trying to debate an issue go and make a KDF character and ACTUALLY look at these ships before typing information that is so far from the truth.
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1. Normal Cloak. Used out of combat.
2. Battle Cloak. Can be used in and out of combat.
3. Enchanced Battle Cloak, used only on C-Store B'Rel Retrofit. Same as above, but a wider variety of powers can be used while cloaked, including ability to fire torpedoes while cloaked.
This 1000 day KDF ship has Battle Cloak, as opposed to regular Cloak
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
Nope, that's only the B'rel-R. All other BoPs have a Battle Cloak.
Because this ship is no where near as squishy as a BoP, hence a battle cloak is a logic fallacy, a balance issue, hence it shouldn't have one. For a .067 shield modifier I would be happy to see that on fed ships too. Since we are throwing game balance out the door, lets just slap it on a Bug ship while we are at it. All and all the KDF version got ALOT more out of this.
But I've given up trying to convince you, I swear you are working for cryptic, you are under the impression that Cryptic can do no wrong, no matter how wrong they are.
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Not quite accurate.
The Enhanced Battle Cloak, exclusive the the B'Rel BoP Retrofit, is a "fire while cloaked" deal. The standard Battle Cloak, for BoPs (and now the Peghqu'), is cloaking while in combat. The last type of cloak is the one that Battlecruisers and Raptors possess - that is cloaking out of combat only.
EDIT - Ninja'd at least 3 times. LOL
Not at all - you could pay $300 to be able to refine a whole 500 extra Dilithium per day.
You could pay it for the Liberated Borg captain.
You could pay it for the bank slots and the respecs and the free costume changes.
You could pay it for the forum title or the in-game title.
You could pay it for the Jupiter Veteran costume plus the badge (or the furry Klingon ones).
Search, the forums - plenty of people have said on many occasions that since F2P the LTS simply wasn't worth the money - and I agree.
It's a $300 ship - anyone that's considering an LTS is probably trying to justify it otherwise but since F2P, the LTS wasn't worth it. It still isn't - but you get a shiny ship now that you can't get any other way - that makes it so much more worth it...
LTS, here since...when did this game launch again?
You could be taken more seriously if you knew what you were talking about
Exactly what have I said that was incorrect here? I challenge you to prove that I have said anything wrong here, not with nonsense attacks, but with facts, /go
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Actually a Battle Cloak with any serious amount of Hull will essentially amount to a Get Out of Jail Free card. As soon as your shield start to buckle you can Brace for Impact and cloak with that level of Hull and nothing short of sustained focus fire from a group of enemies is liable to pop you... unlike with a BoP, which is why a Battle Cloak works there.
The Destroyer has about 10,000 more Hull than a Fleet Hoh'SuS or about 29% more Hull. And it has nearly 20,000 more than a Fleet Ning'tao... or about 57%.
I may defend Cryptic, but name one proof that supports the idea that I work for them.
Sorry, but no: I don't work for Cryptic. I simply haven't been stabbed in the back once since I joined this game
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
We paid 300 dollars for a lifetime subscription for a game. The ship is a pleasant bonus, and seeing as how it's only been made detailed for a few hours it's clear that none of us bought our subs for the ship.
Although I WILL be flying it, it looks great.
You only pop in a forum to give a positive twist in favor of cryptic, whenever someone is speaking negatively, I can't even think of a time you've come in to say something unrelated to cryptic that wasn't defending them outright...........
But who knows, maybe I'm wrong, and you do post about other stuff... perhaps someone can vouch you here.
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Not attacking you in any shape or form but everything you said can be contradicted in the stowiki or shipyard on qo'nos. As well the information you provided on squishy and shield modifiers is bogus info too. The lower shield modifier in fact is due to the perk of Dual Cannons vs feds not being able to mount them on most of their cruisers. KDF gets those mountable but they get a lower shield modifier in its stead. As for being squishy you are refering to the 30k on a b'rel vs the 40k this new raptor will give. As far as them being squishy they will both not have any shields while integrating into cloak which that is what truely makes them squishy but a good player will bring enough defense for that to not be a problem.
It is just a matter of someone trying to impose a nerf on the KDF from a federation point of view. As far as the KDF getting the better deal... look around the KDF hasn't gotten much of anything all year so your logic and statements are seriously flawed.
Edit: Whooptydoodah it has a batte cloak and can stand one more torpedo hit LOL.
Sometimes I don't even mention Cryptic, as shocking as that may seem. I simply hate hate HATE when something I like (be it STO or Cryptic, who has yet to do something I think is wrong) is attacked, I'm more-or-less in a rush to defend it.
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
I don't care how long you've been playing. I only care about how you play.
And remember to follow the rules.
I don't care how long you've been playing. I only care about how you play.
And remember to follow the rules.
:rolleyes: I think you really should like..not get everything you feddies cry for. Thanks.
Think about this:
American Football has been in open beta for 144 years. ~Kotaku
If the new ship had the turn rate of the Jem'Hadar Attackship, I'd maybe be in agreement. But it's not nearly as powerful of an escort. I mean thankfully they are giving a non bop/squishy ship a battle cloak. But that makes me wonder how they are going to help the BoP Who's life support just got cut with the introduction of this ship...who's only nitch, besides full Universal Consoles, was it's Battle Cloak (Or Enhanced Battle cloak for the B'rel-R)
Think about this:
American Football has been in open beta for 144 years. ~Kotaku
Contradictory in what way? You aren't making any sense.... Lower shield modifier due to the dual cannons vs feds CRUISERS not being able to mount them on most their cruisers perk? What...? What the heck does that have to do with this?
Actually yes, there is .067 shield modifier difference? I never argued that battle cloak helped their shields? I argued that I'd gladly sacrifice .067 shield modifier FOR a battle cloak? and the KDF 1000 day does have a battle cloak? and your logic, is seriously flawed, you don't even do the basic hull mathematics vs percentile from non battlecloak ships correctly. There is a huge margin difference between a KDF ship with just "Cloak" and a BoP with Battle Cloak, or even Enhanced Battle Cloak.
Not to mention, Station Slots, Console Slots, and Weapon Slots............ DO I NEED TO GO ON HERE?
So where is your so called logic in that?
Imposing KDF nerf from a federation point of view? uh, no, imposing a balance issue from an OBVIOUS point of view... ayeayeayeaye
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But seriously, I prefer to simply play STO, browse these forums from time-to-time to see what's new, and react based on what I find. I also prefer to stand apart from most arguments
And for the record, the only money I've spent on STO was a LTS a little under 2 years ago. And it's well payed off now, so anything that's added to the game is just a bonus to me. And if I lose benefits, I don't mind, as I still played plenty to make the purchase worth it. Obvious to you, maybe. Not neccesarily to everyone else.
That's all I wish to say
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
The only comparable ships that mount cannons KDF-side which do NOT mount cannons Fed side are Cruisers... and KDF Cruisers have the same shield modifiers on average. Compare an Assault Cruiser to a Negh'var... they're both 1.0. Raptors are equivalent to Escorts... which have always mounted cannons. The new Fed Destroyer, get this, mounts cannons. It's a tactical ship as noted by it's Commander slot. So why would you even bring up Cruisers, something we're not even dealing with...?
The only KDF ships that Battle Cloak are Birds-of-Prey (until now), and you'll notice they're all very, very squishy in order to make using it a dicey option. They in fact tend to have the lowest Hull in the game, far lower than Escorts or Raptors. In fact, even the FLEET versions of Birds-of-Prey, which I listed above, have lower Hull than this ship (one over 50% less, and the other near 30% less).
So your diatribe reflects... nothing. You're pulling stats from all over the place, with few actually referencing back to the point at hand.
Honestly, at this point I don't even know what to make of your posts. I'm tempted to think you're kidding with them...
Its like getting them to admit something they have is OP. Its impossible. Even if they know it to be true anyone saying as much is a "Fed playing KDF hater".
Okay I will, because I know Cryptic wont do anything about it, so I'll just be preaching to the choir here
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:rolleyes: I'd love to see this laundry list of what you feel is OP on the KDF side. Seriously. Please.
Think about this:
American Football has been in open beta for 144 years. ~Kotaku
LOL, well there are certain ships yes but the federation point of view as with a little group on here I've found is determined in their small mental aptitude that those few KDF ships are lower shield modifiers because of cloak but ones the person was referring to mostly had to do with the DC/DHC's mounting where they were trying to misconstrue information to make it look justified when the person had no idea what they were talking about.
As for numbers a B'rel is around 30k, Heavy is about 32k, Raptors(including nausicaan ships are 40k-42k so its not a big deal of it having a battle cloak in terms of what it actually does is letting you cloak during battle after a 20 second cool down. Compared to most bops you have 8k-12k hull boost with a raptor which in most cases 1 or 2 extra torpedoes than usual and target is dead before they full reintegrate. In regards to squishy I will first say the KDF as Stahl explained many times the KDF is a small portion of the player base. Now that take most playerbases how you divvy them up only a small portion of them are adequate hardcore players. Then taking both of those into example you can say with positive knowledge that less than 5% of the player of the game can get into a BoP and master it without exploding every time they go into combat with them. For me I have so much practice in them you'll rarely see me explode in one. On that note as well I can probally count on one hand how many players out there that can do the same thing I can and its mostly based on the fact majority of the really good players out there do not play the KDF. For when I don't view them as squishy and that I see that its just 1 or 2 torpedos being fired more than needed for a B'rel it is not a huge advantage for this new KDF ship to have a battle cloak.
As well to point out an escort and a raptor are 2 different ships. Most fed only players who haven't played KDF much less a raptor usually have no idea what they are talking about. A raptor is in between an escort and a cruiser/heavy battle cruiser. They both have 4 weapons front and 3 rear. Usually have the same boff stations but the raptor turns much slower and has a bit more hull to represent its size.
In canon reference the only reasons bops usually have the battle cloak due to their size but even with canon after 40 years they could atleast have expanded to raptors or possibly the raptor could have always had them in the TNG/DS9 era due to we never actually saw a raptor.
So the stating of talking about escorts and cruisers in comparison it is because of the fact the original person stating we shouldnt have a battle cloak on these raptors was comparing information against the cruiser shield modifier deal and then comparing this new raptor to escorts when the raptor is neither an escort nor cruiser. A raptor is its own class in between the frame work of an escort and cruiser. I would just recommend that anyone trying to spit out stats trying to debate an issue go and make a KDF character and ACTUALLY look at these ships before typing information that is so far from the truth. Also I wish people would quit trying to compared bops to escorts because like raptors the KDF does not have anything that is an actual comparison to comparison of an escort. Bop=smaller, Raptor=Larger and escort is in between... I guess people actually have to want to understand before they can begin to even fathom what I am talking about
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It's impossible for humans to understand the need to draw blood.
They say, a Doctor that operates on himself has a pa'taQ for a patient.
and who said I was human, my skin may be pink, but the saturation and the ears... and the eyes and the skin markings should of gave away my race!
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