Any chance we could get a Fleet version? More money for you
Only if it is only for 1000 day vets.
-Rule of Acquisition #113: Always have sex with the boss.
-I am one of the many victims from the hijacked Caspian Division.
I will not let the childish acts of a criminal ruin this game for me.
-The actions of Cryptic, on the other hand......
Unbelievable. Those who were going to have access to the 1000 day rewards beginning tomorrow were those who invested in Cryptic the very first day that a lifetime subscription was made available. They were the ones who put their faith in Cryptic before the game had even launched...
...and Cryptic will choose to honor that by altering the lifetime benefits to allow anyone to get those same rewards just by ponying up the cash.
Congratulations, Cryptic. You've made the transformation for me - from supporter to someone who will never give you another dollar - complete. Go ahead, check my purchase history and see just how big a mistake you've made.
So, why exactly does it matter to you if someone who pays for a LTS now gets access to all the rewards instantly vs. 1000 days later? It doesn't affect you at all and keeps the game running.
And since there isn't going to be (probably) any further rewards, its a great way to encourage sales of the LTS.
Are you saying you wouldn't have played the game/enjoyed it if you hadn't gotten something kinda exclusive every 100 days?
I've been LTS since the beginning, and don't care if newbs get the vet rewards instantly or not. Whatever keeps the game going is just fine by me.
Formerly Known as Protector from June 2008 to June 20, 2012
Please enable us to buy a token with Zen to faction change a 25th Century FED to a TOS FED.
Any chance we could get a Fleet version? More money for you
NO!
TRIBBLE off on wanting c store versions, i really dont want to see what happend with the Galaxy X happen again and players feel screwed, if that happens again i will walk this time, worked my butt off to get that thing.
Now these ships rock, great boff layout, cool unique abilities, and different looking. THANK YOU CRYPTIC!!!!
And on the lifetime, i told a buddy days ago this would happen, i still wont buy, i paid monthly, soon going down if they dont continue vet rewards, im happy.
For some reason I was unable to post this on the main website.
Congrats to Team Cryptic and Mr. Lee, I love them. The little glow tower out of the top of the Peghqu is a little off from normal Klingon designs, but who would've thought that Klingons would've came up witha temporal deflector either. All in all I'm quite impressed. It makes me sad that I couldn't afford to start playing at launch. Will there be any variants?
Not sure how I feel about the LTS sale and all of the vet rewards being available instantly. I mean...circumventing time in service. And I would benefit from it immensely having only started playing several months ago....still, just seems odd. I mean it's logical from one perspective as the person IS going to gain those rewards eventually.
A curiosity though. Now that the resources of making Vet rewards are free...what is the Dev team going to do with that energy and time?????
"Rise like Lions after slumber, In unvanquishable number, Shake your chains to earth like dew, Which in sleep had fallen on you-Ye are many they are few"
I mean, great news for LTSers below 1000 days - if it were me, I'd be overjoyed. But a massive kick in the teeth for those who walked the whole path on foot.
Sigh... some people going to complain no matter what. I say "Thank you, Cryptic". I think the ships look interesting and I'm looking forward to flying one... in a few weeks.
And for the complainers... it beats a monkey pet any day!
uhmm we got one of them aswell didnt we so what you are saying is this vet reward is not as TRIBBLE as the other rewards lmao
Congratulations, Cryptic. You've made the transformation for me - from supporter to someone who will never give you another dollar - complete. Go ahead, check my purchase history and see just how big a mistake you've made.
Lose one irritated customer.
Gain hundreds of new lifetime subs.
They'll be checking it all the way to the bank.
So sayeth a LT subscriber who's been here (almost) since Day 1.
<insert obligatory request for leaving player's stuff>
I suppose this means that, like CO, there won't be any additional rewards for over 1000 days? Eh, still getting my $240 worth.
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
I don't care how long you've been playing. I only care about how you play.
And remember to follow the rules.
Thing that doesnt seem right though is i look to people with titles and stuff that over amount of time as being experienced...now you have to worry about a 1 week old player that reached va with the 1000 day title on and not know if hes a newb or not lol.
Hmmm... I wish they'd finally release a Fleet/T5 Exeter with all skins...
Maybe it'll work twice.
Formerly Known as Protector from June 2008 to June 20, 2012
Please enable us to buy a token with Zen to faction change a 25th Century FED to a TOS FED.
Thing that doesnt seem right though is i look to people with titles and stuff that over amount of time as being experienced...now you have to worry about a 1 week old player that reached va with the 1000 day title on and not know if hes a newb or not lol.
The funny thing is how history repeats itself. I remember when CoH did something similar when they went F2P. If you bought enough Paragon Points, you could go right up the rewards ranks to get the same stuff subscribers who'd been playing for years earned through the (former) Vet Rewards program.
So I'll just say now what I said a few years ago on that other game: if two player spend the same amount of cash, one over time and another up-front, haven't they both equally contributed to the welfare of the game? If so, what is the difference? If you decide to go all-in with a LT sub now, and I decided to do it years ago, haven't we both put in the same monetary investment to the game?
Pay to earn? Why not? Look over at the C-Store and tell me it's not the same thing. You invest in the game (you keep the devs paid), you earn things.
If you're using the LT Sub perks as a gauge to tell vets from newbs, ur doin it wrong anyhow. What's an experienced newb compared to a veteran? What's a vet who acts like a jerk compared to a newb?
So tell me what the problem really is.
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
I don't care how long you've been playing. I only care about how you play.
And remember to follow the rules.
I mean, great news for LTSers below 1000 days - if it were me, I'd be overjoyed. But a massive kick in the teeth for those who walked the whole path on foot.
"invested" in the game during closed beta or so
would have been just 2 more days for me to reach the 1000
I wouldnt say im doing something wrong when many MANY ways to do things.
And i was a coh beta tester, stopped playing a while ago and came back for f2p and saw what they did and got pissed and said TRIBBLE it. Sad that game is closing, but more sad for the players.
I mean, great news for LTSers below 1000 days - if it were me, I'd be overjoyed. But a massive kick in the teeth for those who walked the whole path on foot.
Except some people have been asking for this for a long time now. And how is this a kick in the teeth to you? Is Cryptic taking away anything from you that you otherwise felt you were going to get? Is Cryptic simply giving benefits to other people really something that makes you feel bad?
And I'm speaking as someone who has been playing since beta, and always been a subscriber or gold member.
Except some people have been asking for this for a long time now. And how is this a kick in the teeth to you? Is Cryptic taking away anything from you that you otherwise felt you were going to get? Is Cryptic simply giving benefits to other people really something that makes you feel bad?
And I'm speaking as someone who has been playing since beta, and always been a subscriber or gold member.
I'm sure I'll feel better after a couple of days. But right now, all I can say is how it makes me feel about it. And, again, if it were me that was bumped up, I'd be stoked. But I walked that path. I didn't receive all the rewards at once - I waited every 100 days for the next milestone.
But hell this is my opinion, and I don't really need to justify it.
So I'll just say now what I said a few years ago on that other game: if two player spend the same amount of cash, one over time and another up-front, haven't they both equally contributed to the welfare of the game? If so, what is the difference? If you decide to go all-in with a LT sub now, and I decided to do it years ago, haven't we both put in the same monetary investment to the game?
If I put $30 into Microsoft stock today should I get the same amount of stock as someone who bought $30 worth is 1985? Should our stock be worth the same because we both spent $30?
The question is whether you think time matters. Whether it was just a purchase or an investment. Whether that time should be rewarded for the loyalty it's believed to represent...
Since Star Trek Online launched in February 2010, we have thanked our loyal subscribers and lifetime members through the Veteran?s Rewards program. We know you have many options in choosing where to spend your time, so it means so much to us that you choose to spend it here.
Starting tomorrow, October 10th, our first set of players will be reaching the 1000-day mark and are going to receive some awesome rewards:
Cryptic seems to indicate they believe that time matters there. And yet...
Except for the little toys they come with, I don't see what I'm missing out on as F2P with a fleet tactical escort retrofit. Yeah, the boff setup is a little better, but still... I'm not really all that impressed with them. Especially the KDF one.
So sayeth a LT subscriber who's been here (almost) since Day 1.
<insert obligatory request for leaving player's stuff>
I suppose this means that, like CO, there won't be any additional rewards for over 1000 days? Eh, still getting my $240 worth.
Look, it's easy to take shots at customers who express their dissatisfaction with Cryptic. I know. Been there, done that. At the launch of this game, I was a staunch defender of Cryptic on this forum. I've retained a very pro-Cryptic position until today.
It's not an issue of entitlement for me. Early on in the game's history, I spoke out as being in favor of the liberated Borg playable option being opened up to non-lifetime subscribers. I've also gone on record as being in support of pre-order bonuses being made available through other means.
This is about a de-valuing of long-time paying supporters of this game, including those that have subscribed in other ways than the lifetime subscription. There are others who feel as I do. Their posts are showing up now too. I suppose you could marginalize us all if you really want to.
It's worth noting that this couldn't be done before as the veteran's rewards weren't all complete then ;-) lol
That said the more I think about it the more it frustrates me, as someone who was here pre-day-one I have nothing to show for it, I don't mean anything huge, but a title would be nice, just a little something.
If I put $30 into Microsoft stock today should I get the same amount of stock as someone who bought $30 worth is 1985? Should our stock be worth the same because we both spent $30?
The question is whether you think time matters. Whether it was just a purchase or an investment. Whether that time should be rewarded for the loyalty it's believed to represent...
Cryptic seems to indicate they believe that time matters there. And yet...
That's a false analogy, IMPO. You're not banking on retrieving monetary revenue on an investment. You can't compare tangible dollars to the intangible value of entertainment; it varies from person to person, unlike cash on any given day. Things like loyalty and entertainment have greatly varying values based on an individual. But in the end, the only thing that matters to a developer is revenue; revenue to help keep things running and make more entertainment. Loyalty is great, but it doesn't pay the bills. Just ask the people at Paragon Studios; their fans will be loyal to the bitter end.
It's always a decision between potentially angering the existing fanbase and gaining new players. Sometimes, it backfires (ex: SWG NGE). But I think PWE has made an informed call, probably based on retention numbers, the average lifetime of a subscriber's interest, etc. Subscription revenue is just one of the ways they make money, and LT Subs will still spend money on the C-Store, even with the monthly stipend. Still, as a LT subscriber, I can't complain much, even with this latest change. I still get plenty of perks and never have to choose between Silver and Gold status.
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
I don't care how long you've been playing. I only care about how you play.
And remember to follow the rules.
That's a false analogy, IMPO. You're not banking on retrieving monetary revenue on an investment. You can't compare tangible dollars to the intangible value of entertainment; it varies from person to person, unlike cash on any given day.
Who is talking about entertainment? I never said "entertainment" I said "time"... the two are not synonymous.
Things like loyalty and entertainment have greatly varying values based on an individual. But in the end, the only thing that matters to a developer is revenue; revenue to help keep things running and make more entertainment. Loyalty is great, but it doesn't pay the bills. Just ask the people at Paragon Studios; their fans will be loyal to the bitter end.
Lack of loyalty or players didn't kill CoX. Nor did not being able to pay the bills. The game was stable, it was simply a decision from management to focus resources elsewhere because the game was apparently seen as stagnant.
And ultimately time has a monetary value. People generally expect an investment of time to payoff. Which is why the concept of interest exists. Hell, anyone familiar with MMOs should readily accept that... why do you think people put up with "grind", because they expect that time to pay off.
This isn't something I (personally) particularly care about, I'm pretty much beyond the point of being able to get annoyed with Cryptic over anything. With them I'm simply in a default state of dismay these days which they can rarely managed to do anything good enough or offensive enough to alter one way or the other. This is, however, going to be the logic behind a lot of the dissenters... and they are going to have a point.
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Its a slap in the face.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dy5ieLLqZAM
Only if it is only for 1000 day vets.
-Rule of Acquisition #113: Always have sex with the boss.
-I am one of the many victims from the hijacked Caspian Division.
I will not let the childish acts of a criminal ruin this game for me.
-The actions of Cryptic, on the other hand......
So, why exactly does it matter to you if someone who pays for a LTS now gets access to all the rewards instantly vs. 1000 days later? It doesn't affect you at all and keeps the game running.
And since there isn't going to be (probably) any further rewards, its a great way to encourage sales of the LTS.
Are you saying you wouldn't have played the game/enjoyed it if you hadn't gotten something kinda exclusive every 100 days?
I've been LTS since the beginning, and don't care if newbs get the vet rewards instantly or not. Whatever keeps the game going is just fine by me.
OMG -- You are AWESOME!
Well worth the lifetime now.
Please enable us to buy a token with Zen to faction change a 25th Century FED to a TOS FED.
So.. does that also mean that every "Career Officer" now becomes "Starfleet/Empire Veteran", regardless of subscription time too?
NO!
TRIBBLE off on wanting c store versions, i really dont want to see what happend with the Galaxy X happen again and players feel screwed, if that happens again i will walk this time, worked my butt off to get that thing.
Now these ships rock, great boff layout, cool unique abilities, and different looking. THANK YOU CRYPTIC!!!!
And on the lifetime, i told a buddy days ago this would happen, i still wont buy, i paid monthly, soon going down if they dont continue vet rewards, im happy.
*cough* its now on the Homepage LTS Store :mad:
ha i love how he skips the rest of the comments about the ship to get some more promos in.. same old same old.
Quote of the week:
Congrats to Team Cryptic and Mr. Lee, I love them. The little glow tower out of the top of the Peghqu is a little off from normal Klingon designs, but who would've thought that Klingons would've came up witha temporal deflector either. All in all I'm quite impressed. It makes me sad that I couldn't afford to start playing at launch. Will there be any variants?
Not sure how I feel about the LTS sale and all of the vet rewards being available instantly. I mean...circumventing time in service. And I would benefit from it immensely having only started playing several months ago....still, just seems odd. I mean it's logical from one perspective as the person IS going to gain those rewards eventually.
A curiosity though. Now that the resources of making Vet rewards are free...what is the Dev team going to do with that energy and time?????
Yeah. Same old disingenuous Cryptic.
I mean, great news for LTSers below 1000 days - if it were me, I'd be overjoyed. But a massive kick in the teeth for those who walked the whole path on foot.
uhmm we got one of them aswell didnt we so what you are saying is this vet reward is not as TRIBBLE as the other rewards lmao
Gain hundreds of new lifetime subs.
They'll be checking it all the way to the bank.
So sayeth a LT subscriber who's been here (almost) since Day 1.
<insert obligatory request for leaving player's stuff>
I suppose this means that, like CO, there won't be any additional rewards for over 1000 days? Eh, still getting my $240 worth.
I don't care how long you've been playing. I only care about how you play.
And remember to follow the rules.
Hmmm... I wish they'd finally release a Fleet/T5 Exeter with all skins...
Maybe it'll work twice.
Please enable us to buy a token with Zen to faction change a 25th Century FED to a TOS FED.
The funny thing is how history repeats itself. I remember when CoH did something similar when they went F2P. If you bought enough Paragon Points, you could go right up the rewards ranks to get the same stuff subscribers who'd been playing for years earned through the (former) Vet Rewards program.
So I'll just say now what I said a few years ago on that other game: if two player spend the same amount of cash, one over time and another up-front, haven't they both equally contributed to the welfare of the game? If so, what is the difference? If you decide to go all-in with a LT sub now, and I decided to do it years ago, haven't we both put in the same monetary investment to the game?
Pay to earn? Why not? Look over at the C-Store and tell me it's not the same thing. You invest in the game (you keep the devs paid), you earn things.
If you're using the LT Sub perks as a gauge to tell vets from newbs, ur doin it wrong anyhow. What's an experienced newb compared to a veteran? What's a vet who acts like a jerk compared to a newb?
So tell me what the problem really is.
I don't care how long you've been playing. I only care about how you play.
And remember to follow the rules.
"invested" in the game during closed beta or so
would have been just 2 more days for me to reach the 1000
And i was a coh beta tester, stopped playing a while ago and came back for f2p and saw what they did and got pissed and said TRIBBLE it. Sad that game is closing, but more sad for the players.
Except some people have been asking for this for a long time now. And how is this a kick in the teeth to you? Is Cryptic taking away anything from you that you otherwise felt you were going to get? Is Cryptic simply giving benefits to other people really something that makes you feel bad?
And I'm speaking as someone who has been playing since beta, and always been a subscriber or gold member.
Commanding Officer: Captain Pyotr Ramonovich Amosov
Dedication Plaque: "Nil Intentatum Reliquit"
I'm sure I'll feel better after a couple of days. But right now, all I can say is how it makes me feel about it. And, again, if it were me that was bumped up, I'd be stoked. But I walked that path. I didn't receive all the rewards at once - I waited every 100 days for the next milestone.
But hell this is my opinion, and I don't really need to justify it.
If I put $30 into Microsoft stock today should I get the same amount of stock as someone who bought $30 worth is 1985? Should our stock be worth the same because we both spent $30?
The question is whether you think time matters. Whether it was just a purchase or an investment. Whether that time should be rewarded for the loyalty it's believed to represent...
Cryptic seems to indicate they believe that time matters there. And yet...
Look, it's easy to take shots at customers who express their dissatisfaction with Cryptic. I know. Been there, done that. At the launch of this game, I was a staunch defender of Cryptic on this forum. I've retained a very pro-Cryptic position until today.
It's not an issue of entitlement for me. Early on in the game's history, I spoke out as being in favor of the liberated Borg playable option being opened up to non-lifetime subscribers. I've also gone on record as being in support of pre-order bonuses being made available through other means.
This is about a de-valuing of long-time paying supporters of this game, including those that have subscribed in other ways than the lifetime subscription. There are others who feel as I do. Their posts are showing up now too. I suppose you could marginalize us all if you really want to.
That said the more I think about it the more it frustrates me, as someone who was here pre-day-one I have nothing to show for it, I don't mean anything huge, but a title would be nice, just a little something.
It's always a decision between potentially angering the existing fanbase and gaining new players. Sometimes, it backfires (ex: SWG NGE). But I think PWE has made an informed call, probably based on retention numbers, the average lifetime of a subscriber's interest, etc. Subscription revenue is just one of the ways they make money, and LT Subs will still spend money on the C-Store, even with the monthly stipend. Still, as a LT subscriber, I can't complain much, even with this latest change. I still get plenty of perks and never have to choose between Silver and Gold status.
I don't care how long you've been playing. I only care about how you play.
And remember to follow the rules.
Thanks Dev team for keeping the KDF in the loop.
R.I.P
Who is talking about entertainment? I never said "entertainment" I said "time"... the two are not synonymous.
Lack of loyalty or players didn't kill CoX. Nor did not being able to pay the bills. The game was stable, it was simply a decision from management to focus resources elsewhere because the game was apparently seen as stagnant.
And ultimately time has a monetary value. People generally expect an investment of time to payoff. Which is why the concept of interest exists. Hell, anyone familiar with MMOs should readily accept that... why do you think people put up with "grind", because they expect that time to pay off.
This isn't something I (personally) particularly care about, I'm pretty much beyond the point of being able to get annoyed with Cryptic over anything. With them I'm simply in a default state of dismay these days which they can rarely managed to do anything good enough or offensive enough to alter one way or the other. This is, however, going to be the logic behind a lot of the dissenters... and they are going to have a point.
Becuase of battle Cloak I would think. Unless thats a typo.....
R.I.P
It's not a typo
Cheers,
Brandon =/\=