Nope. Not happening... I'll buy these for EC on the exchange... but I will not pay you 7 bucks for a character unlocked EV suit... no more than I would pay you 7 bucks for a weapons array... just no... no.... no.........
Let me toss this idea out there if Cryptic is heckbent on this:
Have the C-Store item be a suit bundle. When opened, it releases suits that become character bound.
Cram 5 suits into the bundle.
This at least makes it seem like a better value.
It would remain a once per character unlock this way. It would allow people to have suits for their away team... which is useless except for the Friday the 13th mission and maybe part of "What Lies Beneath" and Foundry missions if they ever let Foundry authors create toxic damage sources.
So it wouldn't negatively impact number of sales realistically because the extra 4 suits aren't really practical to have since most EV suit content is solo. But it might INCREASE the number of sales since people might want 5 suits for fashion purposes with their Bridge Officer away teams. And 5 suits sounds like a better value than 1.
Seriously, instead of selling 1 suit for 700 ZEN, sell an unbound box that contains 5 bind on pickup suits. It just registers better. It's still not what I'd want and I'm not sure if I'd buy it but it shows more marketing sense.
I could buy this a lot easier if it came with a costume accessed via dropdown like the MACO/Omega Force/Honor Guard sets. That would be pricey but at least have some roleplay value without having to equip a suit.
There's only one word for the level of intelligence of the person who set the price, but I'm afraid I cannot write it because I'm pretty sure it's against the forum rules. I'll pass on this suit, thanks.
There are myriad reasons why I have not given Cryptic a penny since the release of the Rhode Island, this adds to them.
Rather than offer a tempting product for good value, you've put forth what is essentially a costume unlock for a much higher price with far fewer options, per character. Maybe at half the price for an account wide unlock, maybe if this were 50Z per character (and provided you even made the slightest effort to address many other issues) I might be tempted to spend but this just reaffirms my stance. Expect me to continue using DL and the exchange.
Yet again Cryptic, I'm laughing at you, not with you.
Nope. Not happening... I'll buy these for EC on the exchange... but I will not pay you 7 bucks for a character unlocked EV suit... no more than I would pay you 7 bucks for a weapons array... just no... no.... no.........
You're still supporting the sheisty behavior, dude. SOMEONE purchased the item, and put it up in exchange. If you buy it for ECs, you might as well have spent 7 dollars on it, and Cryptic and PWE will just keep doing this to us over and over again.
I love it when people say they're not going to support being ripped off, and then do it anyway.
"RABBLERABBLERIPOFFRABBLERABBLE SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY!"
I agree with the crowd here. Change this to Per Account, and you'll sell me one of each. Per Character, I won't buy one.. not even with spare stipend-zen from my LTS.
See, this makes sense. You gave us the account bank for a reason beyond more storage. The whole point is so that when the player / person behind a character gets cool stuff, they can use it for themselves on any character. I would say that this qualifies as something that should use the account bank. I just don't get why things like this (or anything really) aren't account bound yet.
I also think this one is way overpriced and the result of that will be wasteful. But realize everyone, the Devs are not the ones that set the pricing, that is marketing.
For what the devs have dominion over, I think the artwork is great on the suit they look well done. The stats could use some boosting for the costs.
Now to marketing, setting the price bar at $7 per character will likely yield you fewer sales if it was $7 account-wide or $2.50 per character. You have gone past the price point and all that will do is the following:
Fewer people buy the item than anticipated = less profit
The item will not see wide circulation and dev costs will not reach the widest possible audience
A false conclusion will be made that - Players don't want additional costume unlocks so creating those are not cost effective.
while i usually have no qualms about paying for stuff , hell its what keeps the game going
this is a bit much :rolleyes: while yes , its a nice idea to make them tradeable and able to be sold, unfortunately its at such a price that noone will want to
drop that , make it account bound , make it scaleable and bundle it with a scaling first contact rifle.
After injecting so much time and resources (purchased zen/c-points) into this game, I have decided to not even attempt to play "Neverwinter". Regardless about what Perfect World has to offer, the time, effort, and money put into grinding and micro-transactions is too costly. "Star Trek: Online's" core elements are beautiful, but the mental stamina and economical costs they require are too steep.
"Star Trek: Online" is my first ever MMO, and it has convinced me to go back to single-player and offline games.
I will stick around to exhaust my interests, but then I will be throwing in the towel.
I hope no one buys it. Maybe the price will go lower after they see Total First Day sales of $21.
Ha. Keep dreaming. That'll be the first 20 seconds.
I can think of at least half a dozen fleeties that will have this in the first week. Even if they have to grind dil to do it.
Folks are MAD HUNGRY for KDF costumes. :mad::P
These prices aren't pulled out of a hat. They know perfectly-world-well what sells, what people clamour for (licensed skins), and what users in other MMOs are paying for their cosmetic gear. ($5-$50)
We all got the TNG Worf stuff for free. This is the other side of the coin. Take it or don't.
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Really?
So in order for us to wear the same thing our NPCs beam down with we have to pay 700 zen for an item that's per character which makes the 3 set bonus of your newly added Tholian ground set null and void?
These should have been the skins for the suit in the first place!, not those ugly janitor closet boiler suits we we lumped with,
I'm sorry but am I the only one who feels this is incredibly stupid, having to pay for something that would naturally come with a starship,
Lets just hope PWE never starts selling cruises, Ships sinking!
"Oh Lifeboat, Dat cost extra"
"LifeJacket? dat cost more extra"
"Ohh Rescue?, Yeah dat cost extra"
Yeah when I saw npcs beam down with them I was like oh cool I hope we get those, then I see the post and was like wow really 700 zen per character.
How about this, for 700 Z-Points each toon currently rolled on the account has the option to unlock the EV suit one time. If the suit is deleted or sold off any character you need to re-purchase it for that toon. Alts rolled after initial purchase have to purchase the EV Suit separately. The account wide unlock only applies to the first purchase of the suit.
we all collectively hate per character unlocks. especially when they cost as much as other things that are account unlocks. we are used to paying only so much for something at an account level, i think you will be finding a lot of people saying no thanks to your future expensive releases like this, that are ONLY per character. account unlock always sounds like a sweet deal, per character unlock feels like being exploited.
Drop the price, make it a random reward item, make it account wide or add more stuff with it to make it a viable purchase. Right now I don't find it worth spending 700 zen while I am happy that these suits are being added granted these suits should of been added in the first place when the ds9 series launched. You guys seriously need to reevaluate your marketing strategy and pricing cause this is ridiculous.
When it comes to canon stuff it shouldn't be a c store item, this feels like Star Wars galaxies all over again when soe added loot that should of been in the game available to begin with makes them random loot cards in that god awful trading card game they had, thanks but no thanks.
To Matt:
Those suits look fantastic in the blog pics. I wish I could click the pics to expand and see in a higher resolution, but it seems you did a great job on the artwork!
To System Devs Who Determined the Stats:
1) Considering real world cash is expected to purchase these, I would recommend you make them similar to the Tier+1 Ships and add a little P2W to these, as the in-game Tholian suits have better stats. Also, it would be great if these had a "set bonus" and/or unlocked an unhelmeted costume version.
2) Can someone please explain these duplicate stats (are they typos, do they stack, or ?)??:
To The Money Folks Who Set the Price/Per Character "Feature":
The suits are overpriced at 700 Zen for a per character unlock. When I first saw these great looking new suits I was jazzed and prepared to jump in and pay $14 to unlock them on my account (for both Fed/KDF), but then realized they don't work that way. I have 20ish characters. There's no way I'm paying $140 to outfit them with substandard, non-customizable, per character items that can't be reclaimed if I lose them (not to mention the added expense if I wanted them on BOffs too). You would have had $14 from me, but your greed will instead earn you nothing out of my wallet.
The price, in a word: Fail.
I will not be buying these suits. More's the pity.
This is basically PWE selling art at a cost that fleeces the star trek fanbase. No one who buys items based on quality of equipment is going to buy this, which means gamers aren't the target audience for this overpriced art - star trek fans are...
Good point. It's terribly sad, too. We're playing a Star Trek game, but our Star Trek Federation (and KDF) toons are stuck in old (free) alien space suits and can't wear "canon" space suits unless we shell out the big bucks. It's a damn shame.
:mad:
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You are totally missing the point here. If these see ANY business, it's going to justify PWE and Cryptic to just keep the gouging going. Whether you buy it in the exchange or on the zstore, it's still support.
What are you totally crazy PWE! boycott this farce of a purchase, ENCOURAGING other fans to spend that kinda money will start the even bigger ball to roll and next it will be 1200zen for flipping boots that magically stick you on the ceiling..
rethink ur choice their bud... anybody who purchases this is just bonkers and really need to have their head checked. if it appears in the c-store i pity the chump who started PWE's crazy train of upcoming prices on "lack of content" and shiny toys.
First off awesome looking suits too bad they're too expensive for a one character unlock. Its got to adjust one way or the other 700 and account wide or way cheaper and single character.
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Have the C-Store item be a suit bundle. When opened, it releases suits that become character bound.
Cram 5 suits into the bundle.
This at least makes it seem like a better value.
It would remain a once per character unlock this way. It would allow people to have suits for their away team... which is useless except for the Friday the 13th mission and maybe part of "What Lies Beneath" and Foundry missions if they ever let Foundry authors create toxic damage sources.
So it wouldn't negatively impact number of sales realistically because the extra 4 suits aren't really practical to have since most EV suit content is solo. But it might INCREASE the number of sales since people might want 5 suits for fashion purposes with their Bridge Officer away teams. And 5 suits sounds like a better value than 1.
Seriously, instead of selling 1 suit for 700 ZEN, sell an unbound box that contains 5 bind on pickup suits. It just registers better. It's still not what I'd want and I'm not sure if I'd buy it but it shows more marketing sense.
I could buy this a lot easier if it came with a costume accessed via dropdown like the MACO/Omega Force/Honor Guard sets. That would be pricey but at least have some roleplay value without having to equip a suit.
I Agree This MMO is starting to feel like a used car that is Nickle and Diming ya to the Poor House Think its about time to gety a new Car:eek:
Seriously.
Did someone really sit down and say "You know 700 is a good price, our players are chumps anyway"
'Cause that's kinda the feeling I'm getting here. Let's look at your other prices.
Tribbles- 300 zen.
Bridge officers- 500 zen
Melee Weapon Pack- 300 Zen
All per a character
Heck we even have account wide species unlocks for 600 Zen.
Other appearance packs are in the 550 range, and also account wide unlocks.
In what universe does a pricing of 700 Zen for something that is a character only unlock, not unlike the Melee Weapons Pack really, make sense?
How do you justify this number? New visuals are great, but with this price why would it not be an account wide unlock?
The only thing I can come up with is that somebody in marketing thinks were chumps.
Rather than offer a tempting product for good value, you've put forth what is essentially a costume unlock for a much higher price with far fewer options, per character. Maybe at half the price for an account wide unlock, maybe if this were 50Z per character (and provided you even made the slightest effort to address many other issues) I might be tempted to spend but this just reaffirms my stance. Expect me to continue using DL and the exchange.
Yet again Cryptic, I'm laughing at you, not with you.
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for 1 items which is of very limited use, 700 is way to much as others have said, dont see many being bought
You're still supporting the sheisty behavior, dude. SOMEONE purchased the item, and put it up in exchange. If you buy it for ECs, you might as well have spent 7 dollars on it, and Cryptic and PWE will just keep doing this to us over and over again.
I love it when people say they're not going to support being ripped off, and then do it anyway.
"RABBLERABBLERIPOFFRABBLERABBLE SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY!"
See, this makes sense. You gave us the account bank for a reason beyond more storage. The whole point is so that when the player / person behind a character gets cool stuff, they can use it for themselves on any character. I would say that this qualifies as something that should use the account bank. I just don't get why things like this (or anything really) aren't account bound yet.
"Few words: useless and overpriced..."
reposting my answer: "atleast now the KDF gets something that is sweeter than FED... apart from that useless and overpriced
edit: oh, btw Cryptic, congrats on another brilliant and customer satisfying move
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Whover came up with that idea needs to check their meds, somethings off.
That's money of mine you wont be getting Cryptic.
For what the devs have dominion over, I think the artwork is great on the suit they look well done. The stats could use some boosting for the costs.
Now to marketing, setting the price bar at $7 per character will likely yield you fewer sales if it was $7 account-wide or $2.50 per character. You have gone past the price point and all that will do is the following:
this is a bit much :rolleyes: while yes , its a nice idea to make them tradeable and able to be sold, unfortunately its at such a price that noone will want to
drop that , make it account bound , make it scaleable and bundle it with a scaling first contact rifle.
THEN you have a winner
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"Star Trek: Online" is my first ever MMO, and it has convinced me to go back to single-player and offline games.
I will stick around to exhaust my interests, but then I will be throwing in the towel.
I'd love to have one on my main.
But... not for that price and setup.
Looks awesome, I especially like that it breaks the tholian ground set bonus.
NICE, I LOVE IT !!!
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I can think of at least half a dozen fleeties that will have this in the first week. Even if they have to grind dil to do it.
Folks are MAD HUNGRY for KDF costumes. :mad::P
These prices aren't pulled out of a hat. They know perfectly-world-well what sells, what people clamour for (licensed skins), and what users in other MMOs are paying for their cosmetic gear. ($5-$50)
We all got the TNG Worf stuff for free. This is the other side of the coin. Take it or don't.
Yeah when I saw npcs beam down with them I was like oh cool I hope we get those, then I see the post and was like wow really 700 zen per character.
How about this, for 700 Z-Points each toon currently rolled on the account has the option to unlock the EV suit one time. If the suit is deleted or sold off any character you need to re-purchase it for that toon. Alts rolled after initial purchase have to purchase the EV Suit separately. The account wide unlock only applies to the first purchase of the suit.
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kewl
more per character unlocks
not kewl
we all collectively hate per character unlocks. especially when they cost as much as other things that are account unlocks. we are used to paying only so much for something at an account level, i think you will be finding a lot of people saying no thanks to your future expensive releases like this, that are ONLY per character. account unlock always sounds like a sweet deal, per character unlock feels like being exploited.
Expensive single character unlocks, both in grinding and zen, will break this game.
When it comes to canon stuff it shouldn't be a c store item, this feels like Star Wars galaxies all over again when soe added loot that should of been in the game available to begin with makes them random loot cards in that god awful trading card game they had, thanks but no thanks.
You know, I want you guys to make the money you need to keep the content (Romulans) coming.
But I can't help but feel a little gouged with this latest offering.
Please consider making this account-wide and you've got my money.
Those suits look fantastic in the blog pics. I wish I could click the pics to expand and see in a higher resolution, but it seems you did a great job on the artwork!
To System Devs Who Determined the Stats:
1) Considering real world cash is expected to purchase these, I would recommend you make them similar to the Tier+1 Ships and add a little P2W to these, as the in-game Tholian suits have better stats. Also, it would be great if these had a "set bonus" and/or unlocked an unhelmeted costume version.
2) Can someone please explain these duplicate stats (are they typos, do they stack, or ?)??:
Environmental Protection
Reaction Thrusters
+30.5 Physical Damage Resistance
+30.5 Kinetic Damage Resistance
+5% Energy Damage
+5.1 Energy Damage Resistance
+15.2 Radiation Damage Resistance
+30.5 Energy Damage Resistance
+30.5 Radiation Damage Resistance
+30.5 Toxic Damage Resistance
+15.2 Fire Damage Resistance
+15.2 Cold Resistance
To The Money Folks Who Set the Price/Per Character "Feature":
The suits are overpriced at 700 Zen for a per character unlock. When I first saw these great looking new suits I was jazzed and prepared to jump in and pay $14 to unlock them on my account (for both Fed/KDF), but then realized they don't work that way. I have 20ish characters. There's no way I'm paying $140 to outfit them with substandard, non-customizable, per character items that can't be reclaimed if I lose them (not to mention the added expense if I wanted them on BOffs too). You would have had $14 from me, but your greed will instead earn you nothing out of my wallet.
The price, in a word: Fail.
I will not be buying these suits. More's the pity.
Good point. It's terribly sad, too. We're playing a Star Trek game, but our Star Trek Federation (and KDF) toons are stuck in old (free) alien space suits and can't wear "canon" space suits unless we shell out the big bucks. It's a damn shame.
:mad:
You can find/contact me in game as @PatricianVetinari. Playing STO since Feb 2010.
You are totally missing the point here. If these see ANY business, it's going to justify PWE and Cryptic to just keep the gouging going. Whether you buy it in the exchange or on the zstore, it's still support.
rethink ur choice their bud... anybody who purchases this is just bonkers and really need to have their head checked. if it appears in the c-store i pity the chump who started PWE's crazy train of upcoming prices on "lack of content" and shiny toys.
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