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soooo will the end date for the tholian lock boxes be in this FAQ????
cause that is a very FAQ and i really want to know
Yeah, cool, new lock boxes. Now, what about fixing the huge amout of bugs season 6 brought? I really hope the exchange fix will be prioritary over the tholian box update. If this come before any major bug fixes, I think most of us will feel not respected at all by PWE/Cryptic anymore.
Also, there is some cool feedback on the bug report forum too.
This saddens me as a player since launch I have never gotten any special content from the lockboxes and to think I give you money throught the C-store to help pay your emploeys to design content that all can use, but instead it is always taken and used for lockboxes that very few people will be able to use.
Its a real shame; Cryptic actually got it right recently with the Dominion Duty Officer pack which had a chance of also rewarding a dom ship. People didnt mind buying the pack because they knew they were always going to get the doffs. The overwhelming majority of the feedback was positive, and everybody was happy. But despite all of that, they went back to these lock boxes. It reminds me of Proverbs 26:11.
If you're honestly concerned with this, there is practically no reason to not open your Mystery Boxes now. The outcome will be one of two possibilities:
1) Mystery Boxes remain Ferengi in content, allowing either a Regular or Gold Ferengi Box to be received when opening them.
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2) Mystery Boxes will now ALL reward a standard Tholian Lock Box.
It is unlikely that any other outcome will result.
This seems strange, being a mystery box why not have all lock box types as a possible outcome in these? That way Cardasian, Ferengi, and Tholian box types can be obtained in some way still even after they've gone out of primary circulation.
If Mystery boxes = Tholian lock box and nothing else, why still have Mystery boxes? Just an unnecessary layer and not exactly a 'mystery'
This lock-box does sound better than previous ones, however until I see a full list of the junk that they put in to even out the chances of the good stuff I am going to hold off my opinion on this. Though that being said I must say players flying Tholian ships just doesn't seem right, a Breen, Deferi or Delta Quadrant ship would've been more appropriate I think.
Also I don't blame Cryptic for the lockboxes it's PWE thing, I just hope this time around gold boxes will be more available, I got like 20 Gold Cardassian boxes and only 1 Ferengi one. I think if they want to encourage more people to open these they need to make Gold boxes drop more for both serious and casual players.
Also when I opened those 20 Cardassian Boxes I never got the ship, had to buy it off the exchange, that caused me to totally go off the whole Lock-box thing, so unless there is some guarantee thing where if you open X amount of gold boxes you're guaranteed to get the top ship, then I won't be participating at all.
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If any of you have read the actual post, they (by which I'm assuming Cryptic) have went through a lot of trouble to make the boxes much more appealing. Hell just bumping up the Lobi baseline was a huge start.
I'm not saying the boxes are suddenly worth it now, but bear in mind that it's rare for a company to legitimately listen to and act on feedback from its customers. As someone said earlier in the thread, you would get more of what you want through diplomacy than by kicking and screaming like a brat.
first you make excuses for cryptic and now you're insulting people. you've got a history of doing this. stop it
maybe you haven't been paying attention but cryptic is currently being investigated in at least two countries. sooner or later this TRIBBLE is going to come back on them
Hey Trek 17, do you have some kind of insider information that this is all PWE and Cryptic are only following orders? I seem to recall Cryptic not only charging a sub, but also a C-Store from day 1, so I don't get the impression they're the good guys. You keep on defending them to the hilt, so you must know something we dont.
Didn't Dan also state that Cryptic is in full control? So either he's lying (no way, not "we are going to give you a full KDF faction and PVP. I have spoken to PWE and they have given the green light no wait, I meant only 1 person said yes at PWE, so it now a no") or it is PWE who are pulling the strings...
Indeed
Subs and C-Store were business decisions, which have no impact on their morals. Business morals are different then the dev's morals after all.
And no, just my own instincts.
I've been here since Open Beta, seen everything that's happened with STO... my opinion is that Cryptic and it's devs are human, make mistakes, love Star Trek and do the best they can with their business. The messed-up executives at Atari and PWE are the ones I don't trust/hate.
And it's a fact that Cryptic had to/have to do whatever they said, otherwise no paycheck or anything else. It's still true now, regardless of how you look at it.
nice wall of excuses there
So yeah, I defend Cryptic because I know they're good guys in a bad situation. I don't defend PWE at all though because I know they're the greedy ones forcing bad decisions on the devs.
you don't know anything. you have no reason to believe they are either good or bad guys. they could be donating a billion dollars to hospitals every day or eating babies in the breakroom and you'd never know it
That is my opinion. Has been since Day one, and hasn't changed since.
if you think that you really haven't been paying attention
some people have issues with the very existance of this type of thing, and hence hate it with with cell in their bodies.
not 'some people' most people. not to mention the DA's in at least two countries
So cryptic made changes to make the boxes better and you all still hate them for it. Way to practice that Trek diplomacy all you guys are such fans of.
they're not trying to make anything better, they're trying to bribe people into buying them even more than they were doing before. want to make them better? lets see the odds and lets raise them so there is actually a realistic chance of getting anything good
They listen to people, make changes as people ask and give the opportunity for quite a varied amount of ships to appear and people still aren't happy?
they didn't do anything of the sort. see previous statement
No, you see when you buy a lockbox you buy one knowing that there's a chance you may get a ship and a chance you may not. That makes your analogy stupid.
no, his analogy was accurate. and you don't *know* anything regarding the chance of getting anything. got the stats on those odds yet? care to prove it isn't a rigged scam?
It's the whining that annoys me. It's very obvious that lockboxes are going to stay, regardless of how much sooking and crying people do. They now have the choice of participating in the system or not.
all you did here was insult people. that proves you have no argument
The plan to keep them rare is working. Why would PWE change the method of delivery, then?
working...because they said so? yeah. sure. and why would they change it? heres a hint: they're under investigation in at least two countries for it. think about that
As you can see I didn't whine. I made a statement and asked questions. The post of mine you quoted was me answering another person. No, no whining here. At least not by me...
no. you did exactly what you accused others of doing. and now you're denying it
Nothing is forcing you to open them or even pick them up.
thats not an argument. and you shouldn't have to be told this, but it goes without saying that if you want the full content of the game then you do have to put out and use these boxes. otherwise no ship
So what? It still doesn't effect you in any meaningful way. You are not forced to pick them up.
see previous statement. and if you think their existence doesn't affect people in any meaningful way you really haven't been paying attention
Borticus, I can see that PWE has listened to the feedback given by players and made meaningful changes to the lockbox system. My thanks to you and the team.
the feedback overwhelmingly said 'get rid of lockboxes and put in something else' so clearly they are not listening. not to mention these additions are nothing more than bribe attempts to encourage people to waste money on the boxes. any word on those odds for each yet? hmm?
happy to see the death of the Gold Boxes. one suggestion: give gold and LTSers a key or four a month as part of their stipend. atop the 500 zen. or make it a Vet reward say the 1100 Day reward, a Skeleton Key, one that isn't consumed upon use, but instead has a 20hour cool down timer.
As a silver player, that would definitely push me much harder towards subscribing. Hint, hint, Cryptic/PWE...
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Players flying a Tholian Carrier just doesn't seem right.
Players flying ANY Tholian ship is simply not right.
I could understand the Ferengi ship,the Cardassian ship and the Jem Hadar ship.However the Tholian ship is simply pushing it to far in terms of believability.
You know, I really can understand people not liking the lockboxes. Thankfully we are not required to do anything with them other than click pass when they come up.
As for the good ships being in them - it is totally possible to get the ship rewards without paying a dime on keys. Its even possible to get them without paying a dime of real money.
For example - I got a Freighter for my fleet by crafting like mad and playing the market. It cost me 60 million credits. Now, in my case I had to put about 2000 cryptic points into the dilithum exchange to get the extra refined I needed for all this crafting. If I'd planned ahead or had other alts getting/refining dilithium I wouldn't have needed to do even that. Unlike a lot of end game players I don't have a big backlog of unrefined dillithium. Whatever - a Freighter for about the same price as a VA unlock I can live with no problem, and the next time a ship comes in a box or pack that I want I won't have to because I'm steadily working the market instead of a 'cram session.'
It does seem they are making an honest effort to make the drops more worthwhile and I actually look forward to seeing what I can get. Course I'll also probably be getting more of my keys off the exchange than I will the zen store, but that's another good thing, not bad.
For all the doom and gloom on the forums I still think that overall STO is a much better game than it was 2 years ago. Most of you weren't around for closed beta or the first few months. I was. It was fun then too, but not nearly as good as it is now.
Heck, the Fleet system is fine-tuned enough that I'll probably hit tier 1 shipyard only a few days after the big fleets, and the marks I'm essentially doing alone. And I don't even play for more than 3 hours a day tops.
Now if we can just get them to drop the price of modules 100-200 zen.
Can't wait the first day tholian gold lockbox drop galore.
Will open every damn gold locbox wheter it is cardassian, ferengi, or tholian. I am gonna open them all with Maser Keys !
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cause that is a very FAQ and i really want to know
Also, there is some cool feedback on the bug report forum too.
God, lvl 60 CW. 17k.
So instead of me passing on the stupid things that I don't want, they will automatically go into my inventory!
At least it will stop some of the immersion being obliterated every time one of those stupid big boxes fill up space like a junk yard.
How long from now ....
is time left before STO is changed into a 24 hours homeshopping game? :mad:
You know what Cryptic or ??Perfect?? or whatever...
get that TRIBBLE boxes and do it in where the sun never shines
http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/07/17/star-trek-online-shows-off-the-new-tholian-lock-box/
LOL! I'm going to have to steal that. From now on my response to lockboxes is going to be "26:11"
i keed.
Of course I wouldn't buy them anyway since there are no new story missions to do with them.
Maybe I'll buy in season 7.
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This seems strange, being a mystery box why not have all lock box types as a possible outcome in these? That way Cardasian, Ferengi, and Tholian box types can be obtained in some way still even after they've gone out of primary circulation.
If Mystery boxes = Tholian lock box and nothing else, why still have Mystery boxes? Just an unnecessary layer and not exactly a 'mystery'
Also I don't blame Cryptic for the lockboxes it's PWE thing, I just hope this time around gold boxes will be more available, I got like 20 Gold Cardassian boxes and only 1 Ferengi one. I think if they want to encourage more people to open these they need to make Gold boxes drop more for both serious and casual players.
Also when I opened those 20 Cardassian Boxes I never got the ship, had to buy it off the exchange, that caused me to totally go off the whole Lock-box thing, so unless there is some guarantee thing where if you open X amount of gold boxes you're guaranteed to get the top ship, then I won't be participating at all.
I'm not saying the boxes are suddenly worth it now, but bear in mind that it's rare for a company to legitimately listen to and act on feedback from its customers. As someone said earlier in the thread, you would get more of what you want through diplomacy than by kicking and screaming like a brat.
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first you make excuses for cryptic and now you're insulting people. you've got a history of doing this. stop it
maybe you haven't been paying attention but cryptic is currently being investigated in at least two countries. sooner or later this TRIBBLE is going to come back on them
Indeed
nice wall of excuses there
you don't know anything. you have no reason to believe they are either good or bad guys. they could be donating a billion dollars to hospitals every day or eating babies in the breakroom and you'd never know it
if you think that you really haven't been paying attention
not 'some people' most people. not to mention the DA's in at least two countries
they're not trying to make anything better, they're trying to bribe people into buying them even more than they were doing before. want to make them better? lets see the odds and lets raise them so there is actually a realistic chance of getting anything good
they didn't do anything of the sort. see previous statement
no, his analogy was accurate. and you don't *know* anything regarding the chance of getting anything. got the stats on those odds yet? care to prove it isn't a rigged scam?
all you did here was insult people. that proves you have no argument
working...because they said so? yeah. sure. and why would they change it? heres a hint: they're under investigation in at least two countries for it. think about that
no. you did exactly what you accused others of doing. and now you're denying it
thats not an argument. and you shouldn't have to be told this, but it goes without saying that if you want the full content of the game then you do have to put out and use these boxes. otherwise no ship
see previous statement. and if you think their existence doesn't affect people in any meaningful way you really haven't been paying attention
the feedback overwhelmingly said 'get rid of lockboxes and put in something else' so clearly they are not listening. not to mention these additions are nothing more than bribe attempts to encourage people to waste money on the boxes. any word on those odds for each yet? hmm?
I guess you guys just don't want my money that badly. You won't get a single dime.
Tell your greedy, debased overlords that it's their loss.
As a silver player, that would definitely push me much harder towards subscribing. Hint, hint, Cryptic/PWE...
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ETA: I hope that the ships are cross faction, so my Orion could use the Mirror Sovereign.
i'm sure the cash from the many many other people who buy the keys will dry their tears.
That may be true but none of that money will have come from me.
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Players flying ANY Tholian ship is simply not right.
I could understand the Ferengi ship,the Cardassian ship and the Jem Hadar ship.However the Tholian ship is simply pushing it to far in terms of believability.
As for the good ships being in them - it is totally possible to get the ship rewards without paying a dime on keys. Its even possible to get them without paying a dime of real money.
For example - I got a Freighter for my fleet by crafting like mad and playing the market. It cost me 60 million credits. Now, in my case I had to put about 2000 cryptic points into the dilithum exchange to get the extra refined I needed for all this crafting. If I'd planned ahead or had other alts getting/refining dilithium I wouldn't have needed to do even that. Unlike a lot of end game players I don't have a big backlog of unrefined dillithium. Whatever - a Freighter for about the same price as a VA unlock I can live with no problem, and the next time a ship comes in a box or pack that I want I won't have to because I'm steadily working the market instead of a 'cram session.'
It does seem they are making an honest effort to make the drops more worthwhile and I actually look forward to seeing what I can get. Course I'll also probably be getting more of my keys off the exchange than I will the zen store, but that's another good thing, not bad.
For all the doom and gloom on the forums I still think that overall STO is a much better game than it was 2 years ago. Most of you weren't around for closed beta or the first few months. I was. It was fun then too, but not nearly as good as it is now.
Heck, the Fleet system is fine-tuned enough that I'll probably hit tier 1 shipyard only a few days after the big fleets, and the marks I'm essentially doing alone. And I don't even play for more than 3 hours a day tops.
Now if we can just get them to drop the price of modules 100-200 zen.
if they really want to make profit drop that stuff into the C-store
im sure as hell i buy it!
most people are tired of getting TRIBBLE for there real money!
i opened gamma doffpacks for over 8000 c points just for the darn bugg
didnt get it while other opened like 7 packs and got 2 WTH???
and the so called unique consoles from either faction ???
yeah lets ruin this game som'mo'' with making that stuff crossfaction!
anyway ive got a tip for u branflakes !
google Bigpoint GmBh ! ull find more tips to #$%^@ up this game even better!
Will open every damn gold locbox wheter it is cardassian, ferengi, or tholian. I am gonna open them all with Maser Keys !
They are a business... you want the game to remain open.. it needs to make money...
You don't wanna spend money.. don't.. no shotgun to your head forcing you to....