The ones who make lockboxes are not the same as those who work on the game's issues...
Who creates ship - Jamjanz and co. make the visual art, but CaptainGeko and the others of the system team make the stats. So this is to my mind a clear case where the people that we'd like to fix issues with the game are busy adding new (probably likewise poorly balanced) items to the game.
Star Trek Online Advancement: You start with lowbie gear, you end with Lobi gear.
Not happening unless they're adding patches and bug fixes to the C-store/Lockboxes.
And no I'm not taking credit for this if it does happen, that's all on mkilczewski if it does!
Hey that's actually a good idea. Maybe when the Caitian lockboxes roll out. Each one has a small chance of containing a fix for one random game bug. More can be bought for Lobis! The customer has to pay for patch fixes! Brilliant!
Don't be surprised if you get a job offer from Cryptic/PWE in the next 5 minutes or so...
Who creates ship - Jamjanz and co. make the visual art, but CaptainGeko and the others of the system team make the stats. So this is to my mind a clear case where the people that we'd like to fix issues with the game are busy adding new (probably likewise poorly balanced) items to the game.
You're confusing ship artists and system designers with actual code patchers...
JamJamz and they make ships, combining the art with the system things. This also requires coding to get it to work that way, which is done by the coding people... not anyone else.
A lot of Season 6's current issues are in the code. Hence no one but the coders can do anything about this. And they're hard at work right now.
Was named Trek17.
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
Lets see how many of you "positive" posters will be crying that they spent ?100s on lockboxes and didn't get a ship...
They may have added more ships and "say" they have increased the % chance, but they are still not giving you the odds, so guess what, you still don't really know if it's now 0000000000.1% chance or 000000000.1% chance.
Am I missing something, or have Cryptic guaranteed a ship in every lock box? Nope, thought not.
So, when you get the same item 50 times, you will once again realise, the house always wins.
Will lockboxes still litter the screen...
Hey Trek 17, do you have some kind of insider information that this is all PWE and Cryptic are only following orders? I seem to recall Cryptic not only charging a sub, but also a C-Store from day 1, so I don't get the impression they're the good guys. You keep on defending them to the hilt, so you must know something we dont.
Didn't Dan also state that Cryptic is in full control? So either he's lying (no way, not "we are going to give you a full KDF faction and PVP. I have spoken to PWE and they have given the green light no wait, I meant only 1 person said yes at PWE, so it now a no") or it is PWE who are pulling the strings...
Please tell me your secret source on this.
In the end, it's another nail in the coffin for Brand Cryptic and Brand Star Trek...
Yup, Dan's definately the slickest of the slick. One day the PWE screws are gonna walk into his office and find nothing but his clothes on his chair, from where he slid right out of them.
You're confusing ship artists and system designers with actual code patchers...
JamJamz and they make ships, combining the art with the systems things. This also requires coding to get it to work that way, which is done by the coding people... not anyone else.
Except a system has to be designed and documented to, you know, have the coders code.
It doesn't happen in a vacuum. Gecko himself has told us how involved it is to create a new ship type or BO layout.
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Hey Trek 17, do you have some kind of insider information that this is all PWE and Cryptic are only following orders? I seem to recall Cryptic not only charging a sub, but also a C-Store from day 1, so I don't get the impression they're the good guys. You keep on defending them to the hilt, so you must know something we dont.
Subs and C-Store were business decisions, which have no impact on their morals. Business morals are different then the dev's morals after all.
And no, just my own instincts.
I've been here since Open Beta, seen everything that's happened with STO... my opinion is that Cryptic and it's devs are human, make mistakes, love Star Trek and do the best they can with their business. The messed-up executives at Atari and PWE are the ones I don't trust/hate.
And it's a fact that Cryptic had to/have to do whatever they said, otherwise no paycheck or anything else. It's still true now, regardless of how you look at it.
So yeah, I defend Cryptic because I know they're good guys in a bad situation. I don't defend PWE at all though because I know they're the greedy ones forcing bad decisions on the devs.
That is my opinion. Has been since Day one, and hasn't changed since.
That might actually work. It would require a lot of patience on a player's part, but it would certainly help.
BTW, I rather dislike the description of all players who open lock boxes as being addicted to gambling. I would not call a person who goes to Vegas only rarely, has a small, defined sum of cash they are going to use, and does not exceed that pre-set amount of spending "addicted."
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Forgive me if I missed it as I'm at work but ... Are those mirror variants faction specific or could my KDF toon be running around with a mirror Assault Cruiser and my FED toon a mirror Vorcha?
i can't believe people are so outraged over fluff items that are not content related or required in any way to play the game efficiently and effectively.
these are stuff you "want" not "need." it's your choice to participate...or not.
if you choose not to participate, good for you. you did not lose or gain anything.
if you choose to participate, good luck.
i personally have not been actively been participating in the lockboxes since they were introduced. at first, i was convinced that the lockboxes were some evil scheme from a greedy developer. after listening to the podcasts, interviews, and reading posts from various people on the development team, it's clear that these lockboxes are helping the game. deny this all you want, but it's the truth. it helps keep the game afloat, it helps pay their bills, it helps give the players items that cbs is reluctant to put into the game otherwise, you are not paying for content, it's fluff...it's a win-win-win-win-just stfu and stop whining about it.
Forgive me if I missed it as I'm at work but ... Are those mirror variants faction specific or could my KDF toon be running around with a mirror Assault Cruiser and my FED toon a mirror Vorcha?
Wow, four different ships in the box alone with another in the Lobi store? And the MU ships are more common to boot (though I imagine still quite rare)?
Cryptic. Lock Boxes suck and will always suck, but I really appreciate the strides you've made to make them bearable. This one seems to have the best stuff available yet. I'll have to see the prices in the Lobi store first, but in a system of fail, this time around might have the closest to a win yet.
i can't believe people are so outraged over fluff items that are not content related or required in any way to play the game efficiently and effectively.
So this is your first day on the internet then? Welcome to the real world :cool:
i can't believe people are so outraged over fluff items that are not content related or required in any way to play the game efficiently and effectively.
these are stuff you "want" not "need." it's your choice to participate...or not.
if you choose not to participate, good for you. you did not lose or gain anything.
if you choose to participate, good luck.
i personally have not been actively been participating in the lockboxes since they were introduced. at first, i was convinced that the lockboxes were some evil scheme from a greedy developer. after listening to the podcasts, interviews, and reading posts from various people on the development team, it's clear that these lockboxes are helping the game. deny this all you want, but it's the truth. it helps keep the game afloat, it helps pay their bills, it helps give the players items that cbs is reluctant to put into the game otherwise, you are not paying for content, it's fluff...it's a win-win-win-win-just stfu and stop whining about it.
that's not gonna help much, though i agree.
some people have issues with the very existance of this type of thing, and hence hate it with with cell in their bodies.
plus, some people consider ships and stuff like this content, even if it's not story missions
Was named Trek17.
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
So cryptic made changes to make the boxes better and you all still hate them for it. Way to practice that Trek diplomacy all you guys are such fans of.
Cryptic Thank you for making changes to the lock box system. Its not perfect but I may actually use these keys I've been sitting on that I picked up off the exchange.
This is very true and also people have got to realise no matter how much they complain lock boxes are here to stay till perfectworlds finds something else they want to put out, cryptic is just like every body else they have bosses and they are perfectword, so behappy there atleast trying to make a silk purse out of the sows ear. they have to make money some hoiw and this is perfectworlds way, no i dont care for them but they atleast this way i still have my star trek.
some people have issues with the very existance of this type of thing, and hence hate it with with cell in their bodies.
plus, some people consider ships and stuff like this content, even if it's not story missions
That's part of it. As a lifetime subscriber, I consider the stuff in the LBs to be part of the "Whole Game" that I purchased 2 years ago. I should have the same chance of receiving the items as anybody else. As a lifetime subscriber, I shouldn't have to pay for keys to open them, as the developers got all their money up front from me, 2 years ago.
on the mirror universe ships will we be able to change parts for example i have the imperial and i use different parts on my assault cruiser will i be able to keep my same hull configuration, and will the terran empire ships have the I.S.S. prefix cause that would play into my engineer character who is from the mirror universe. also will they have a special type of phaser on it or is it only the console and boffs, just curious
I highly doubt that you will get an ISS prefix, or the Mirror Klingon ships will have whatever prefix they should have from their universe (never really understood what was going on with them when they did show them). All ships we have in game seem to be hard-coded to either have USS or IKS as their name prefix based on player faction... EVEN SHUTTLES AND SMALL CRAFT (which shouldn't even have those prefix designations).
So now we have Tholians serving on StarFleet vessels. Does anybody else feel that this is really starting to get silly. Not to mention, how do Tholians not die in the Earthlike environment of a StarFleet vessel. PWE, they'll do anything for a buck.
It's like you didn't even read Devblog #10 where we saw Tholian EV suits designed for exactly situations like these. Or maybe you did read it, but you have the attention span of a goldfish... in which case maybe we should treat your comment the same way. Speaking of goldfish, how is having special environments on board for Tholian crewmembers any less ridiculous than having areas for whale and dolphin crewmembers on the ENT-D? (Not saying it isn't absurd or silly, but it is canon so there is precedent)
Anyone that plays on the Tribble server know the stats of all those ships? Or are they not being tested once again, like so many previous ships, and it'll be a surprise for all?
They listen to people, make changes as people ask and give the opportunity for quite a varied amount of ships to appear and people still aren't happy?
Hmmm.
I'm getting the impression that there are too many people who expect cool new ships to be developed and given away free.
Out of curiosity, do all the people who whinge and complain about lockboxes and costs also go to the stores and complain that the stores don't give out new products free of charge, too?
Subs and C-Store were business decisions, which have no impact on their morals. Business morals are different then the dev's morals after all.
And no, just my own instincts.
I've been here since Open Beta, seen everything that's happened with STO... my opinion is that Cryptic and it's devs are human, make mistakes, love Star Trek and do the best they can with their business. The messed-up executives at Atari and PWE are the ones I don't trust/hate.
And it's a fact that Cryptic had to/have to do whatever they said, otherwise no paycheck or anything else. It's still true now, regardless of how you look at it.
So yeah, I defend Cryptic because I know they're good guys in a bad situation. I don't defend PWE at all though because I know they're the greedy ones forcing bad decisions on the devs.
That is my opinion. Has been since Day one, and hasn't changed since.
I'd like that Though I think if they did that, it'd be 1, 2 or 3%, to make sure it's a rare drop.
So once again, it's not Cryptic fault eh? So before it was Atari's fault too?
Once again, how do you know they're the good guys? What evidence do you have to support this?
I can tell you some of the garb that Cryptic Devs have said -
"I'm playing the next F/E right now". New EP didn't have a scooby what we were talking about when we were querying where is it.
"Game isn't going F2P anytime soon". Boom, F2P.
"Now I'm back as EP, I will ensure QC is better and I won't over promise". Armitage released bugged. Season 6 bugs that the they were informed of before it went live. Foundry? What's that? Is it back on yet?
"Hey, guess what, KDF is going to get up to scratch" .. Nope.
"Hey PWE want full PVP" Nope.
"Content Drought, nope their hasn't been" say's one Dev. EP response with "yep, we now there's a content drought".
So tell me, how do you know they're the "good guys"? Is it because they have given you a mediocre game that you will except because it's has a Star Trek flavour, where you can fly Cardies, Dominion and now Tholian ships?
Yep, I think it is...
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Hey that's actually a good idea. Maybe when the Caitian lockboxes roll out. Each one has a small chance of containing a fix for one random game bug. More can be bought for Lobis! The customer has to pay for patch fixes! Brilliant!
Don't be surprised if you get a job offer from Cryptic/PWE in the next 5 minutes or so...
JamJamz and they make ships, combining the art with the system things. This also requires coding to get it to work that way, which is done by the coding people... not anyone else.
A lot of Season 6's current issues are in the code. Hence no one but the coders can do anything about this. And they're hard at work right now.
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
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Yup, Dan's definately the slickest of the slick. One day the PWE screws are gonna walk into his office and find nothing but his clothes on his chair, from where he slid right out of them.
Except a system has to be designed and documented to, you know, have the coders code.
It doesn't happen in a vacuum. Gecko himself has told us how involved it is to create a new ship type or BO layout.
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And no, just my own instincts.
I've been here since Open Beta, seen everything that's happened with STO... my opinion is that Cryptic and it's devs are human, make mistakes, love Star Trek and do the best they can with their business. The messed-up executives at Atari and PWE are the ones I don't trust/hate.
And it's a fact that Cryptic had to/have to do whatever they said, otherwise no paycheck or anything else. It's still true now, regardless of how you look at it.
So yeah, I defend Cryptic because I know they're good guys in a bad situation. I don't defend PWE at all though because I know they're the greedy ones forcing bad decisions on the devs.
That is my opinion. Has been since Day one, and hasn't changed since. I'd like that
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
BTW, I rather dislike the description of all players who open lock boxes as being addicted to gambling. I would not call a person who goes to Vegas only rarely, has a small, defined sum of cash they are going to use, and does not exceed that pre-set amount of spending "addicted."
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Forgive me if I missed it as I'm at work but ... Are those mirror variants faction specific or could my KDF toon be running around with a mirror Assault Cruiser and my FED toon a mirror Vorcha?
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i can't believe people are so outraged over fluff items that are not content related or required in any way to play the game efficiently and effectively.
these are stuff you "want" not "need." it's your choice to participate...or not.
if you choose not to participate, good for you. you did not lose or gain anything.
if you choose to participate, good luck.
i personally have not been actively been participating in the lockboxes since they were introduced. at first, i was convinced that the lockboxes were some evil scheme from a greedy developer. after listening to the podcasts, interviews, and reading posts from various people on the development team, it's clear that these lockboxes are helping the game. deny this all you want, but it's the truth. it helps keep the game afloat, it helps pay their bills, it helps give the players items that cbs is reluctant to put into the game otherwise, you are not paying for content, it's fluff...it's a win-win-win-win-just stfu and stop whining about it.
Klingon ship is KDF. FED ships are Federation.
Cryptic. Lock Boxes suck and will always suck, but I really appreciate the strides you've made to make them bearable. This one seems to have the best stuff available yet. I'll have to see the prices in the Lobi store first, but in a system of fail, this time around might have the closest to a win yet.
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So this is your first day on the internet then? Welcome to the real world :cool:
some people have issues with the very existance of this type of thing, and hence hate it with with cell in their bodies.
plus, some people consider ships and stuff like this content, even if it's not story missions
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
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This is very true and also people have got to realise no matter how much they complain lock boxes are here to stay till perfectworlds finds something else they want to put out, cryptic is just like every body else they have bosses and they are perfectword, so behappy there atleast trying to make a silk purse out of the sows ear. they have to make money some hoiw and this is perfectworlds way, no i dont care for them but they atleast this way i still have my star trek.
That's part of it. As a lifetime subscriber, I consider the stuff in the LBs to be part of the "Whole Game" that I purchased 2 years ago. I should have the same chance of receiving the items as anybody else. As a lifetime subscriber, I shouldn't have to pay for keys to open them, as the developers got all their money up front from me, 2 years ago.
i too hope they dont drop in game but rather a ec purchase or 0 dilithum from dilithum store
I highly doubt that you will get an ISS prefix, or the Mirror Klingon ships will have whatever prefix they should have from their universe (never really understood what was going on with them when they did show them). All ships we have in game seem to be hard-coded to either have USS or IKS as their name prefix based on player faction... EVEN SHUTTLES AND SMALL CRAFT (which shouldn't even have those prefix designations).
It's like you didn't even read Devblog #10 where we saw Tholian EV suits designed for exactly situations like these. Or maybe you did read it, but you have the attention span of a goldfish... in which case maybe we should treat your comment the same way. Speaking of goldfish, how is having special environments on board for Tholian crewmembers any less ridiculous than having areas for whale and dolphin crewmembers on the ENT-D? (Not saying it isn't absurd or silly, but it is canon so there is precedent)
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Will there be Gold Lockboxes or just green? (just so i know what ones to open)
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Hmmm.
I'm getting the impression that there are too many people who expect cool new ships to be developed and given away free.
Out of curiosity, do all the people who whinge and complain about lockboxes and costs also go to the stores and complain that the stores don't give out new products free of charge, too?
I totally agree!! just end the lock box non sense and add the stuff to the Cryptic Store for a very very reasonable price.
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So once again, it's not Cryptic fault eh? So before it was Atari's fault too?
Once again, how do you know they're the good guys? What evidence do you have to support this?
I can tell you some of the garb that Cryptic Devs have said -
"I'm playing the next F/E right now". New EP didn't have a scooby what we were talking about when we were querying where is it.
"Game isn't going F2P anytime soon". Boom, F2P.
"Now I'm back as EP, I will ensure QC is better and I won't over promise". Armitage released bugged. Season 6 bugs that the they were informed of before it went live. Foundry? What's that? Is it back on yet?
"Hey, guess what, KDF is going to get up to scratch" .. Nope.
"Hey PWE want full PVP" Nope.
"Content Drought, nope their hasn't been" say's one Dev. EP response with "yep, we now there's a content drought".
So tell me, how do you know they're the "good guys"? Is it because they have given you a mediocre game that you will except because it's has a Star Trek flavour, where you can fly Cardies, Dominion and now Tholian ships?
Yep, I think it is...