I searched out a whole new fleet and left all my built up space in my private fleet bank because I wanted a new ship, now I feel like ive lost a lot of the drive.
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Well that settles it... I won't be getting any of the Fleet starships no matter how many Zen Tokens are required. Not gonna pay 20 bucks for something which is marginally better than C-Store ships, AND be inferior to such a degree that they are 1-time only (not account wide)
Well that settles it... I won't be getting any of the Fleet starships no matter how many Zen Tokens are required. Not gonna pay 20 bucks for something which is marginally better than C-Store ships, AND be inferior to such a degree that they are 1-time only (not account wide)
Don't forget that the Fleet Ship Modules are tradable so you may be able to find one on the exchange. And as always, you can sell Dilithium on the Dilithium Exchange for ZEN.
Don't forget that the Fleet Ship Modules are tradable so you may be able to find one on the exchange. And as always, you can sell Dilithium on the Dilithium Exchange for ZEN.
Cheers,
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Might as well just fold this and the other thread together.
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Which still requires tons of grind on top of tons of grind, not good enough.
And it still begs the question of why no Excelsior, Galaxy-X, and Gurumba when the price point is this high? The reason given for no fleet version was they didn't want to practically give away their abilities. That totally invalidates that premise.
And here I actually, kinda, sorta had hope that even though it was painfully obvious that Fleet Starbases were going to be another layer of grinding that the rewards might actually have been worthwhile. What was I thinking?
Hey BranMuffin, when is PWE/Cryptic going to patch those Ferengi console buyers so they sell EC? I mean, why even try to pretend anymore? Just go all out. People would buy EC like crazy to get the Jem'hadar/Cardassian/Ferengi ships off the exchange, then those prices would go up, then people would buy more EC, etc, etc. It's a guaranteed money-maker. :rolleyes:
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Hey BranMuffin, when is PWE/Cryptic going to patch those Ferengi console buyers so they sell EC? I mean, why even try to pretend anymore? Just go all out. People would buy EC like crazy to get the Jem'hadar/Cardassian/Ferengi ships off the exchange, then those prices would go up, then people would buy more EC, etc, etc. It's a guaranteed money-maker.
Don't forget that the Fleet Ship Modules are tradable so you may be able to find one on the exchange. And as always, you can sell Dilithium on the Dilithium Exchange for ZEN.
Cheers,
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This does nothing to impact the decrease in value, whether it is per Zen or Dilithium. However you pay for it, there is a decrease in value for the consumer.
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I want to know why, I receive no discount (25%-50%) for having purchased the Gladius, or Rhode Island. Sure. I can understand not the 75% discount (though honestly if you've bought the 25 dollar ship... you shouldn't have to buy the FSMs) but no discount at all for the other C-store ships? I can see PWE is very appreciative of our past business. (and unaware that such discounts would cause people to go out and buy the ships for the discount alone)
Don't forget that the Fleet Ship Modules are tradable so you may be able to find one on the exchange. And as always, you can sell Dilithium on the Dilithium Exchange for ZEN.
Cheers,
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Sorry Brandon, you won't catch me spending money on this ****.
Even if the modules are tradable, they are worthless to me since I won't be able to buy them. You have a hard limit of 10 million EC for "Silver" players, and i'm not gonna shell out cash to up that limit. You better believe, those modules will be going for ALOT more than 10 million each.
I think I might as well just assume these ships aren't in the game. I tend to doubt I'll use any of the new fleet starbase features at all. They're just too much of an inconvenience. I'd rather, you know, play the game.
But I suppose the Tholians might be interesting. That's something. (I'll have to wait for the server to settle down a bit before trying those missions, though.)
Don't forget that the Fleet Ship Modules are tradable so you may be able to find one on the exchange. And as always, you can sell Dilithium on the Dilithium Exchange for ZEN.
Cheers,
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You know where you can stick them Bran, right where the sun don't shine :rolleyes:
I will not pay more money ontop of the money I already paid out for the cstore version to get an inferior character locked version!
You guys are out of your freaking mind, geez :mad:
You know where you can stick them Bran, right where the sun don't shine :rolleyes:
I will not pay more money ontop of the money I already paid out for the cstore version to get an inferior character locked version!
You guys are out of your freaking mind, geez :mad:
Agreed. If the Fleet ships were "account wide" like the C-Store ships, that atleast would be an improvement. As it is, I have no doubt, the C-Store ships will eventually be changed to character-specific as well. PW/Cryptic wants to nab as much cash from us as they possibly can.
Once the milk has run dry, they'll shut it down. Simple as that. In the mean time, they TRIBBLE off all of their current players, including those who have been around for years. Once you lose a player, it's highly unlikely they would return.
Don't forget that the Fleet Ship Modules are tradable so you may be able to find one on the exchange. And as always, you can sell Dilithium on the Dilithium Exchange for ZEN.
Cheers,
Brandon =/\=
Might as well pack your bags now brandy, this game is going straight to hell.
I think I might as well just assume these ships aren't in the game. I tend to doubt I'll use any of the new fleet starbase features at all. They're just too much of an inconvenience. I'd rather, you know, play the game.
But I suppose the Tholians might be interesting. That's something. (I'll have to wait for the server to settle down a bit before trying those missions, though.)
Me too, the sad thing is my newly formed fleet of long term vets kinda have no idea about this.
I'm guessing we will have a little fun, but most of our interest in the fleet system will evaporate very quickly when they hear that fleet ships are no more than another way to gouge money out of us for very little effort put in by the devs
As for the Tholians, if you have ever done the Borg Deferi event, just imagine the exact same thing but with Tholians instead....
If you are looking to purchase a Fleet Ship that has a T5 C-Store version and you already own the T5 C-Store version, you only need to purchase 1 Fleet Ship Module (FSM) instead of 4. If you've purchased a non-T5 ship from the C-Store that has a Fleet Ship version, you will still need to purchase 4 FSMs.
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What if its a VA ship you got via Free Token (Meaning the Series Ship Retrofits for fed side, and the slapdash arrangement of ships the KDF get)?
Havent been in game much yet, so does anyone know how much cash money the new fleet ships are going to cost since you have to purchase c-store items to get them?
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Havent been in game much yet, so does anyone know how much cash money the new fleet ships are going to cost since you have to purchase c-store items to get them?
$20 per ship per character, unless you own the C-Store unlock version (only applies to T5 C-Store ships), then its $5 per ship per character. Veteran reward ships do not qualify.
and we all laughed at those "f2p" sucks - ragers in february. now here it is. another startrek-game goes to the grave due to a franchise-exploiting company. i think gaming age is over now. first blizzard started to sell a hype, instead of a game (d3), wow is already an undead minion of blizzard, then StarWars was also VERY dissapointing for the fact that it was made by those that made ME1+2+3 and so also a franchise-exploitation.
companys now invaded those niche of gaming, to do what they can best: spoil everything with the need for greed and money, and even more money.
i really dont blame the developers, just to make that clear. they are the next to be fired or set on minimum wage, as soon as this game arrives at a state, where no content is needed anymore for long distances.
i think, 2000zen is just showing us, that we get less and less product for more and more money.
lets just do a comparison:
entF: designing a 3d model, designing the secondary ship, designing a texture, designing a saucer sep mode, balance it ito the game = 2000cryptic points
a fleetescort-refit: same model, no console, no extras, the new textures are just the same as already in game (maco set) = 2000zen!
fleet-escort gladius: also the same, if not worse. i must pay at least 1000zen for - reusing the costume i already baught on t2, to have the ability to combine it with the setup of the standard t5 fleet-escort.
in both of the last cases no actual work had to be done. no modelling, no texturing, no balancing, nothing. its a resell of things that are already in game, and to all odds i have to play 4month to get the SB up to the level i can actually use this ****.
for 2000zen, the ships just may have gone to the store. without all that fleet things - noone may have had a reason to complain.
for 100zen or maybe 200zen per token (you mostly need 4 of em) noone would have had a reason to complain either. its still 1200zen less than a store ship, and therefore you have to work on fleet-missions. okay.
but you did the perfect exploitation:
maximum price of ZEN
maximum amount of workload to get these ships!
congrats.
and theres no way for non subbers to buy those from exchange, as the prices will exeed the credit limit by far.
and still theres one flaw in the whole thing left unmentioned: the whole grind is for the ship, when you have it, theres STILL no content to use these ships in!!! as soon as you finally have them, and spent you money on them, theres nothing to actually DO with them, instead of grinding for another ship you may want perhaps ...
$20 per ship per character, unless you own the C-Store unlock version (only applies to T5 C-Store ships), then its $5 per ship per character. Veteran reward ships do not qualify.
LOL wow. I guess the guy on massively had it right
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I was so excited for season six, because of the fleet ships, and this has immediately killed it.
Fleet ships just aren't worth getting. Ever. You'd have to be nuts to pay $20 just for the pleasure of grinding fleet marks, and all for a one-character one-use ship.
PWE_BranFlakes, might I get some clarification on this:
I am interested in buying the "Fleet Science Vessel Retrofit" (Nova), which is listed at 20k Fleet Credits + 4 modules.
There is also a "Science Vessel Retrofit", which I assume to be a T5 Retrofit of the Nova, listed at 200k Fleet Credits.
If I buy the T5 Retrofit, do I get a discount on buying the Fleet Science Vessel Retrofit, AFTER buying the "Science Vessel Retrofit" ? Fleet mate of mine bought the Rhode Island (Tier 2+) but he isn't seeing any discount.
PWE_BranFlakes, might I get some clarification on this:
I am interested in buying the "Fleet Science Vessel Retrofit" (Nova), which is listed at 20k Fleet Credits + 4 modules.
There is also a "Science Vessel Retrofit", which I assume to be a T5 Retrofit of the Nova, listed at 200k Fleet Credits.
If I buy the T5 Retrofit, do I get a discount on buying the Fleet Science Vessel Retrofit, AFTER buying the "Science Vessel Retrofit" ? Fleet mate of mine bought the Rhode Island (Tier 2+) but he isn't seeing any discount.
Clarification please?
The discount only applies to ship that are already T5 in the C-Store. As far as buying the retrofit, and then getting a discount...I don't know, but I somehow doubt it.
Don't forget that the Fleet Ship Modules are tradable so you may be able to find one on the exchange. And as always, you can sell Dilithium on the Dilithium Exchange for ZEN.
Cheers,
Brandon =/\=
Oh, man, Brandon I don't think I could be very happy with your job right now. It must be like being a defense lawyer for the mafia.
its just robbery, i can only hope at least 30% of the playerbase is now running away, buying a new game for 50dollars instead of paying 20dollars for just a ship in a no-content-environment of empty space ...
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Well that settles it... I won't be getting any of the Fleet starships no matter how many Zen Tokens are required. Not gonna pay 20 bucks for something which is marginally better than C-Store ships, AND be inferior to such a degree that they are 1-time only (not account wide)
Don't forget that the Fleet Ship Modules are tradable so you may be able to find one on the exchange. And as always, you can sell Dilithium on the Dilithium Exchange for ZEN.
Cheers,
Brandon =/\=
Might as well just fold this and the other thread together.
Which still requires tons of grind on top of tons of grind, not good enough.
And it still begs the question of why no Excelsior, Galaxy-X, and Gurumba when the price point is this high? The reason given for no fleet version was they didn't want to practically give away their abilities. That totally invalidates that premise.
IE: Master keys (which are both less expensive and more common usage) are already nearly a million ec or more. :rolleyes:
Hey BranMuffin, when is PWE/Cryptic going to patch those Ferengi console buyers so they sell EC? I mean, why even try to pretend anymore? Just go all out. People would buy EC like crazy to get the Jem'hadar/Cardassian/Ferengi ships off the exchange, then those prices would go up, then people would buy more EC, etc, etc. It's a guaranteed money-maker.
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I'm honestly surprised they haven't.
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This does nothing to impact the decrease in value, whether it is per Zen or Dilithium. However you pay for it, there is a decrease in value for the consumer.
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Sorry Brandon, you won't catch me spending money on this ****.
Even if the modules are tradable, they are worthless to me since I won't be able to buy them. You have a hard limit of 10 million EC for "Silver" players, and i'm not gonna shell out cash to up that limit. You better believe, those modules will be going for ALOT more than 10 million each.
Thanks a whole heap.
But I suppose the Tholians might be interesting. That's something. (I'll have to wait for the server to settle down a bit before trying those missions, though.)
You know where you can stick them Bran, right where the sun don't shine :rolleyes:
I will not pay more money ontop of the money I already paid out for the cstore version to get an inferior character locked version!
You guys are out of your freaking mind, geez :mad:
Agreed. If the Fleet ships were "account wide" like the C-Store ships, that atleast would be an improvement. As it is, I have no doubt, the C-Store ships will eventually be changed to character-specific as well. PW/Cryptic wants to nab as much cash from us as they possibly can.
Once the milk has run dry, they'll shut it down. Simple as that. In the mean time, they TRIBBLE off all of their current players, including those who have been around for years. Once you lose a player, it's highly unlikely they would return.
Might as well pack your bags now brandy, this game is going straight to hell.
Super speed style.... :cool:
Me too, the sad thing is my newly formed fleet of long term vets kinda have no idea about this.
I'm guessing we will have a little fun, but most of our interest in the fleet system will evaporate very quickly when they hear that fleet ships are no more than another way to gouge money out of us for very little effort put in by the devs
As for the Tholians, if you have ever done the Borg Deferi event, just imagine the exact same thing but with Tholians instead....
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$20 per ship per character, unless you own the C-Store unlock version (only applies to T5 C-Store ships), then its $5 per ship per character. Veteran reward ships do not qualify.
companys now invaded those niche of gaming, to do what they can best: spoil everything with the need for greed and money, and even more money.
i really dont blame the developers, just to make that clear. they are the next to be fired or set on minimum wage, as soon as this game arrives at a state, where no content is needed anymore for long distances.
i think, 2000zen is just showing us, that we get less and less product for more and more money.
lets just do a comparison:
entF: designing a 3d model, designing the secondary ship, designing a texture, designing a saucer sep mode, balance it ito the game = 2000cryptic points
a fleetescort-refit: same model, no console, no extras, the new textures are just the same as already in game (maco set) = 2000zen!
fleet-escort gladius: also the same, if not worse. i must pay at least 1000zen for - reusing the costume i already baught on t2, to have the ability to combine it with the setup of the standard t5 fleet-escort.
in both of the last cases no actual work had to be done. no modelling, no texturing, no balancing, nothing. its a resell of things that are already in game, and to all odds i have to play 4month to get the SB up to the level i can actually use this ****.
for 2000zen, the ships just may have gone to the store. without all that fleet things - noone may have had a reason to complain.
for 100zen or maybe 200zen per token (you mostly need 4 of em) noone would have had a reason to complain either. its still 1200zen less than a store ship, and therefore you have to work on fleet-missions. okay.
but you did the perfect exploitation:
maximum price of ZEN
maximum amount of workload to get these ships!
congrats.
and theres no way for non subbers to buy those from exchange, as the prices will exeed the credit limit by far.
and still theres one flaw in the whole thing left unmentioned: the whole grind is for the ship, when you have it, theres STILL no content to use these ships in!!! as soon as you finally have them, and spent you money on them, theres nothing to actually DO with them, instead of grinding for another ship you may want perhaps ...
LOL wow. I guess the guy on massively had it right
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Indeed, I honestly cannot fathom what they were thinking. Doing a double facepalm Picard style right now... :rolleyes:
Ps. I do know, all they see is $$$$ signs now...
Fleet ships just aren't worth getting. Ever. You'd have to be nuts to pay $20 just for the pleasure of grinding fleet marks, and all for a one-character one-use ship.
I am interested in buying the "Fleet Science Vessel Retrofit" (Nova), which is listed at 20k Fleet Credits + 4 modules.
There is also a "Science Vessel Retrofit", which I assume to be a T5 Retrofit of the Nova, listed at 200k Fleet Credits.
If I buy the T5 Retrofit, do I get a discount on buying the Fleet Science Vessel Retrofit, AFTER buying the "Science Vessel Retrofit" ? Fleet mate of mine bought the Rhode Island (Tier 2+) but he isn't seeing any discount.
Clarification please?
The discount only applies to ship that are already T5 in the C-Store. As far as buying the retrofit, and then getting a discount...I don't know, but I somehow doubt it.
Oh, man, Brandon I don't think I could be very happy with your job right now. It must be like being a defense lawyer for the mafia.