So you suggest to repeat the fight, with you having your build adapted? Well, then I guess it would be only fair that you explain me your build in advance. Wouldn't it?
I want a shot too.
_______________ CommanderDonatra@Capt.Sisko: ahhh is it supposed to do that? Norvo Tigan@dontdrunkimshoot: hell ya, maybe
So you suggest to repeat the fight, with you having your build adapted? Well, then I guess it would be only fair that you explain me your build in advance. Wouldn't it?
I really don't care honestly.
If we were to go again, I'd switch out my DBB for a torp launcher, change my ship so that I'm more bursty at the appropriate times. meh.
As far as builds go, sure why not.
Tac Team1, THY2, APO1, CRF3
THY1, ADP1, CRF2
TSS2, PH, Tractor beam
EPTS1 and 2.
That's what I'd probably try if I gave a damn.
But the thing is, I really don't care all that much about if you kill me or not. Because your ship still doesn't work in full on arenas. 1v1s are not arenas. Your ship frankly can't sustain itself through decent groups, and it can't do so additionally without consuming literally everything it has, leaving you nothing to spare for your team.
There are no 1v1 Arenas, so you really really shouldn't build your ship exclusively for them if you ever intend on pvping in the ques. Otherwise you are being a jerk by dragging down the quality of your team.
If I do 1v1 again I honestly can't promise that I'm going to try all that hard. You aren't an Escort. I frankly don't get the rush out of fighting Fat Ships that I do things that zip around and that can possibly melt me in very short order if I am not careful.
I am in game right now, and am able to kill a little time, but again see above. It's a sad trait among Escort captains, we like dog fighting. standing still just isn't as fun for us.
Well, the aft firing arc is really the strong point. Escorts with their forward-firing weaponry that want to target you will have to do so from behind if you keep a straight line course, so they will inevitably end up in your rear arc. Other ships could theoretically broadside you all the time, but all you need to do to prevent that is turn away from them, and again... they're in your rear arc. What also works is of course targetting subsystems with the single beam array in the front.
My beef is that you keep answering questions or problems with answers that, while internally consistent, have absolutely nothing to do with your build or the issue at hand. Yes, there are some ships that can make an aft torp work. What does that have to do with your five torp carrier? Even if you loaded four into the aft, why have one in the fore? Are you going to use the same shaky line of reasoning you just gave me now?
Well, there are only three slots on a carrier for and aft, so it is three aft maximum... and since I run full aux power, I don't really loose anything by adding two more in the front, who will be buffed from the transphasic compressors. One beam is required to not give away the ship's innate target subsystem ability.
Okay, so you're praying that the stars align and that your rank 1 Target Subsystems procs shields off for a few seconds... why even bother? What damage are you going to follow it up with? Are you likewise praying that he's so bad he can't hull tank three transphasics buffed by presumably a single BOff skill?
You do understand that beams have their own firing arcs, right? So it's completely conceivable that you wouldn't even be able to use Target Subsystems because you're hell bent on keeping opponents in your rear?
Ahl no. I just didn't want to give away free stuff.
Well, when I considered this, it was around the time when the transphasics buff appeared on tribble. I am, in a way, ahead of my time. or so I hope. XD
But there's no reason you have to give up the free stuff... it's your choice to run all torps, the fact that your one potentially half-decent use in doing so (torp spread for spam clearance, letting friendly escorts spec for other things) is mitigated by your flying a grandma-slow ship using weapons with a firing arc the width of an ant's wang hasn't dissuaded you at all.
I've been interested in the transphasics buff as well, but (and I doubt I'm alone in this) I feel they'll always be mediocre at best. Torps are for hull bashing, you have other options for bringing shields down that aren't crippled by a torp-level firing rate. Hell, I can throw together an Adv. Escort build that'd shrug off 75% transphasic shield pen.
I don't mean to be rude or any more blunt than the flat side of an Intellimouse, but it feels like you're just throwing things together that sound vaguely nice and digging your heels in hard when you decide to tote them around in public. If you want to learn what works and what doesn't, you have to be willing to abandon your preconceptions of mechanics based on flavor text and things you "feel" should work. There are hard ways to test these things and I can tell you right now that the all-transphasics catboat was tested before it even took off the ground.
But there's no reason you have to give up the free stuff... it's your choice to run all torps, the fact that your one potentially half-decent use in doing so (torp spread for spam clearance, letting friendly escorts spec for other things) is mitigated by your flying a grandma-slow ship using weapons with a firing arc the width of an ant's wang hasn't dissuaded you at all.
I've been interested in the transphasics buff as well, but (and I doubt I'm alone in this) I feel they'll always be mediocre at best. Torps are for hull bashing, you have other options for bringing shields down that aren't crippled by a torp-level firing rate. Hell, I can throw together an Adv. Escort build that'd shrug off 75% transphasic shield pen.
I don't mean to be rude or any more blunt than the flat side of an Intellimouse, but it feels like you're just throwing things together that sound vaguely nice and digging your heels in hard when you decide to tote them around in public. If you want to learn what works and what doesn't, you have to be willing to abandon your preconceptions of mechanics based on flavor text and things you "feel" should work. There are hard ways to test these things and I can tell you right now that the all-transphasics catboat was tested before it even took off the ground.
I think that you are trying to find excuses for your defeat. And rather lame ones, by the way.
I am not saying that I am a better captain than you, or that my build is necessarily the best of the best. All I am claiming is that it works, is not TRIBBLE, and will fight well. And that it did.
Yes. I was totally afraid of your warp core explosions.
Yeah you warped without even a "gotta go", or "see ya" and that was after Mav exploded. And went silent in OPVP for a period of time.
Pity, you missed a good fight between him and the raptor. I could have sworn I saw the raptor (repeatedly) pull the tail slide stall maneuver. Admittedly, I don't know how easy or common such a tactic would be in STO.
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Now partying like its 1999 on the forums.
Of course. I am nothing, my build is TRIBBLE, and being rude on the forums like some of you proves how cool you are. Yet I blew him up.
Oh, yes, of course! He wasn't fighting seriously, hadn't had time to adapt his tactics, I was lucky, etc, pp.
But he blew up. Twice. :biggrin:
When me and Mav were testing Polarized hull Doffs, after we got done, I blew him up 3 times. But I could tell his build wasn't necessarely set up to get me in a good way.
Almost felt like a Minimax build.. with out the Cloak.
You think that your beta test was bad?
Think about this: American Football has been in open beta for 144 years. ~Kotaku
Telling everyone that you managed to kill so-and-so means absolutely nothing. God knows how many pubs I nuked even when I hadn't the slightest clue how the game worked. What little PvP in this game there is isn't centered around 1 v. 1s (there's a reason the only public queues are for teams); in fact you'd be hard pressed to find any MMO centered around 1 v. 1 PvP. Often I've had to call games off with friends because it's simply not possible for one of us to score a kill on the other.
The fact that no one can judge any given 1 v. 1 matchup without knowing both ships in advance means that no one can help you or pass any judgment on your build if all you intend to do is be a gunslinger. A terrible setup might work simply because your ship outclasses your opponent's in some key area (healing, resists, DPS, whatever) and his build and piloting will mean squat. This is particularly true with the Atrox which has high innate tankiness and DPS bees doing its work for it. I can tell you right now that I would have to be on some kind of catnip-fueled bender and sporting a serious death wish to manage to die once in that thing.
Of course. I am nothing, my build is TRIBBLE, and being rude on the forums like some of you proves how cool you are. Yet I blew him up.
Oh, yes, of course! He wasn't fighting seriously, hadn't had time to adapt his tactics, I was lucky, etc, pp.
But he blew up. Twice. :biggrin:
ok so what, mav blew up......big deal. any pro player can die to a stupid noob. mav died to me and im only semi decent. mav does not 1v1 anymore. so let me put it like this. you and mav played 100 rounds ok, how many times do you think mav will die and how many times do you think you will die? i would really take a 40k real life money bet that says maybe you kill mav a max of 10 times but you will die 100.
i really think mav would die 10 times due to getting very bord then pick up the pace and say holy TRIBBLE broken bet 40k need to wake up.
oh btw i died to you from server lag a huge credit to your anti proton pet sweep. i still cant get over how that pet spam is more of a threat and they dont do much damage. just go max setting and pvp.
Join Date: Dec 2007Originally Posted by BROKEN1981
Of course. I am nothing, my build is TRIBBLE, and being rude on the forums like some of you proves how cool you are. Yet I blew him up.
yes we are rude on fourms. we are acting like total jerk wads. i can admit that for all of us. we can just totaly ignore your post. but sop your not 100% not guilty either. you come here on fourms being a huge know it all and write with such aggro that it makes you get this huge disrespect. see it works both ways. you think epts fails hard and you die easier. there must be a reason for this. i mean if i had to relie only on my heals on this carrier or any ship i would be toast, even with borg procs. do you mind telling us what consoles you are using? can you give a link to your skill tree spec? it has to be something you did wrong. hope you dont mind me saying that. what would you call it if i did not spec into hp or even sheilds and armor? i would say i did it wrong. just comes off that your so dependent on heals that you dont know how to keep your sheilds up to stay alieve. im used to less heals more sheilds in a match. put an extends on my escourt and im happy. most times i get et or he and i hate that. most times its because im on low hp with gdf and full buffs. but really just give an extends and ill do my job.
Join Date: Dec 2007Originally Posted by BROKEN1981
Actually, not, it is not, There is a myriad of reasons why this could happen with two ships roughly on the same or even just not completely different level.
Again, I am not saying that I am a better captain than him, or that my build was "awesome" or anything. Just that this build works. And you can claim whatever you want: That was proven. It may still be slightly inferior (or maybe not), but the difference is clearly not all that great.
reason it works and yes it work but to a degree is because your so heal heavy but with no defensive attacks. no 1 would really want to come after you when they have a threat from an escourt doing major dps or even a tank doing semi ok dps. what if you were using thoes heals and got hit by a sub nuke? example would be you hit your et, now you cant even use your sci team. many things are now on cd and you cant get to them. but epts would keep you hanging in the fight till you can get to your st. really the only attack your ship has is fbp. you know if you spec right you can have your wep power to 100 and aux to 87. if any thing pop an aux bat for that fbp and use of he and even aux to sif. you dont need that et. aux to sif is a lower heal but it gets a very nice resist and you can still use sci team.
[/QUOTE]Now, the amusing part comes where he brags about that very same fight, saying he "abused" me and such stuff. That is just infantile, and obviously not true in a fight where he lost 0:2. And those were not even ten-minute battles. It was over pretty quick.
He blew up. Twice.[/QUOTE] well i cant speak for mav but maybe it was the damage he did in 1 spike due to lack of epts?
Join Date: Dec 2007Originally Posted by BROKEN1981
On a related note: I was wondering how a team of 5 ships with this build might perform in battle. I have a feeling that they'd do quite well, given equal levels of coordination on both sides.
come on man i was drinking my water when i read that......now its all over my desk lol
Join Date: Dec 2007Originally Posted by BROKEN1981
btw thoes consoles u use not only boost sci team i think they boost epts as well.
now i do use this carrier. i have epts 1 2 and aux to sif. i can take focus fire to a point. then i need to use tss1. then maybe i go low aux for tbr for more hits, high aux to have a good push. i use 2 sif gens and a nutro armor. +18 to everything. now i am using vm1 and i might get a diff skill, either tss3 he 3 or tbr2. see i need to do damage and support role as sci. thats why im in the carrier. also use gw 3 and have all d-store accx2 mod beams. i use tt1 only if i have more then 1 beta on me with fomm. and i use delta with all the free target subsystem x. maybe i need to disbale some sheilds or engines or maybe even aux or weps. but least i have all beams that can do this. im not here to be main dps but at lest i can dish it out.
Join Date: Dec 2007Originally Posted by BROKEN1981
It is a lack of hull heals that kills 2 EPTS2-builds with the Atrox (and I suspect the DSV would have a similar problem... but I rarely see those in PvP). 1 hull heal is good for an escort, but not for a carrier.Really, I invite everybody to try my build for themselves, and compare it to an EPTS-heavy build with 2 fewer hull heals, or one hull heal less and without RSP. I'd love to see other people's reports about this comparison. Yet, my observations leave me only one choice. At least currently.
Once again Soph after playing for over 2 years now... I run ONE EPTS. No one said you had to go 2 or nothing. Frankly I think running 2 is stupid... as the down time is so low the opportunity cost is a bit high I think.
However you give up almost nothing to run ONE copy of EPTS 1... have you tried that at all ?
Once again Soph after playing for over 2 years now... I run ONE EPTS. No one said you had to go 2 or nothing. Frankly I think running 2 is stupid... as the down time is so low the opportunity cost is a bit high I think.
However you give up almost nothing to run ONE copy of EPTS 1... have you tried that at all ?
hummm.....well you know more then i do but i feel naked with out 2 epts. and honestly im not sure how good of an idea 1 epts would be. least for the advrage player.not only that but it keeps the resist there with out dropping.
Join Date: Dec 2007Originally Posted by BROKEN1981
hummm.....well you know more then i do but i feel naked with out 2 epts. and honestly im not sure how good of an idea 1 epts would be. least for the advrage player.not only that but it keeps the resist there with out dropping.
Its more work only using one I will admit. Of course our friend refuses to run any... so I was simply pointing out to him that I get away with one copy... I can most of the time cover myself with piloting and other skills for 15 seconds... I am sure at times though that some of my teammates wished I had that second copy as well. lol
Its more work only using one I will admit. Of course our friend refuses to run any... so I was simply pointing out to him that I get away with one copy... I can most of the time cover myself with piloting and other skills for 15 seconds... I am sure at times though that some of my teammates wished I had that second copy as well. lol
well its just funney when u had said that because on my escourt i was thinking eptw1 epts2. tho not sure how it would hold under focused fire like epts1 2 does.
now that i think of it could be good on my bop, just use alhpa decloak hit up for that 5 secs wait for my cloak to get off cd and run to cloak again. with eptw1 2 ofc
Join Date: Dec 2007Originally Posted by BROKEN1981
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I want a shot too.
CommanderDonatra@Capt.Sisko: ahhh is it supposed to do that?
Norvo Tigan@dontdrunkimshoot: hell ya, maybe
I really don't care honestly.
If we were to go again, I'd switch out my DBB for a torp launcher, change my ship so that I'm more bursty at the appropriate times. meh.
As far as builds go, sure why not.
Tac Team1, THY2, APO1, CRF3
THY1, ADP1, CRF2
TSS2, PH, Tractor beam
EPTS1 and 2.
That's what I'd probably try if I gave a damn.
But the thing is, I really don't care all that much about if you kill me or not. Because your ship still doesn't work in full on arenas. 1v1s are not arenas. Your ship frankly can't sustain itself through decent groups, and it can't do so additionally without consuming literally everything it has, leaving you nothing to spare for your team.
There are no 1v1 Arenas, so you really really shouldn't build your ship exclusively for them if you ever intend on pvping in the ques. Otherwise you are being a jerk by dragging down the quality of your team.
If I do 1v1 again I honestly can't promise that I'm going to try all that hard. You aren't an Escort. I frankly don't get the rush out of fighting Fat Ships that I do things that zip around and that can possibly melt me in very short order if I am not careful.
I am in game right now, and am able to kill a little time, but again see above. It's a sad trait among Escort captains, we like dog fighting. standing still just isn't as fun for us.
My beef is that you keep answering questions or problems with answers that, while internally consistent, have absolutely nothing to do with your build or the issue at hand. Yes, there are some ships that can make an aft torp work. What does that have to do with your five torp carrier? Even if you loaded four into the aft, why have one in the fore? Are you going to use the same shaky line of reasoning you just gave me now?
vids and guides and stuff
[9:52] [Zone #11] Neal@trapper1532: im a omega force shadow oprative and a maoc elite camander and here i am taking water samples
Okay, so you're praying that the stars align and that your rank 1 Target Subsystems procs shields off for a few seconds... why even bother? What damage are you going to follow it up with? Are you likewise praying that he's so bad he can't hull tank three transphasics buffed by presumably a single BOff skill?
You do understand that beams have their own firing arcs, right? So it's completely conceivable that you wouldn't even be able to use Target Subsystems because you're hell bent on keeping opponents in your rear?
vids and guides and stuff
[9:52] [Zone #11] Neal@trapper1532: im a omega force shadow oprative and a maoc elite camander and here i am taking water samples
But there's no reason you have to give up the free stuff... it's your choice to run all torps, the fact that your one potentially half-decent use in doing so (torp spread for spam clearance, letting friendly escorts spec for other things) is mitigated by your flying a grandma-slow ship using weapons with a firing arc the width of an ant's wang hasn't dissuaded you at all.
I've been interested in the transphasics buff as well, but (and I doubt I'm alone in this) I feel they'll always be mediocre at best. Torps are for hull bashing, you have other options for bringing shields down that aren't crippled by a torp-level firing rate. Hell, I can throw together an Adv. Escort build that'd shrug off 75% transphasic shield pen.
I don't mean to be rude or any more blunt than the flat side of an Intellimouse, but it feels like you're just throwing things together that sound vaguely nice and digging your heels in hard when you decide to tote them around in public. If you want to learn what works and what doesn't, you have to be willing to abandon your preconceptions of mechanics based on flavor text and things you "feel" should work. There are hard ways to test these things and I can tell you right now that the all-transphasics catboat was tested before it even took off the ground.
vids and guides and stuff
[9:52] [Zone #11] Neal@trapper1532: im a omega force shadow oprative and a maoc elite camander and here i am taking water samples
mav will continually destroy you.
because you are a tac carrier. yeah that about sums it up.
it wouldnt matter what powers you run. it just wouldnt.
if you wanted to be a tac in a sci ship you should have gone recon sci. mine kicks booty.
also,
i think i like this guy.
Yeah you warped without even a "gotta go", or "see ya" and that was after Mav exploded. And went silent in OPVP for a period of time.
Pity, you missed a good fight between him and the raptor. I could have sworn I saw the raptor (repeatedly) pull the tail slide stall maneuver. Admittedly, I don't know how easy or common such a tactic would be in STO.
Now partying like its 1999 on the forums.
When me and Mav were testing Polarized hull Doffs, after we got done, I blew him up 3 times. But I could tell his build wasn't necessarely set up to get me in a good way.
Almost felt like a Minimax build.. with out the Cloak.
Think about this:
American Football has been in open beta for 144 years. ~Kotaku
The fact that no one can judge any given 1 v. 1 matchup without knowing both ships in advance means that no one can help you or pass any judgment on your build if all you intend to do is be a gunslinger. A terrible setup might work simply because your ship outclasses your opponent's in some key area (healing, resists, DPS, whatever) and his build and piloting will mean squat. This is particularly true with the Atrox which has high innate tankiness and DPS bees doing its work for it. I can tell you right now that I would have to be on some kind of catnip-fueled bender and sporting a serious death wish to manage to die once in that thing.
vids and guides and stuff
[9:52] [Zone #11] Neal@trapper1532: im a omega force shadow oprative and a maoc elite camander and here i am taking water samples
ok so what, mav blew up......big deal. any pro player can die to a stupid noob. mav died to me and im only semi decent. mav does not 1v1 anymore. so let me put it like this. you and mav played 100 rounds ok, how many times do you think mav will die and how many times do you think you will die? i would really take a 40k real life money bet that says maybe you kill mav a max of 10 times but you will die 100.
i really think mav would die 10 times due to getting very bord then pick up the pace and say holy TRIBBLE broken bet 40k need to wake up.
oh btw i died to you from server lag a huge credit to your anti proton pet sweep. i still cant get over how that pet spam is more of a threat and they dont do much damage. just go max setting and pvp.
yes we are rude on fourms. we are acting like total jerk wads. i can admit that for all of us. we can just totaly ignore your post. but sop your not 100% not guilty either. you come here on fourms being a huge know it all and write with such aggro that it makes you get this huge disrespect. see it works both ways. you think epts fails hard and you die easier. there must be a reason for this. i mean if i had to relie only on my heals on this carrier or any ship i would be toast, even with borg procs. do you mind telling us what consoles you are using? can you give a link to your skill tree spec? it has to be something you did wrong. hope you dont mind me saying that. what would you call it if i did not spec into hp or even sheilds and armor? i would say i did it wrong. just comes off that your so dependent on heals that you dont know how to keep your sheilds up to stay alieve. im used to less heals more sheilds in a match. put an extends on my escourt and im happy. most times i get et or he and i hate that. most times its because im on low hp with gdf and full buffs. but really just give an extends and ill do my job.
[/QUOTE]Now, the amusing part comes where he brags about that very same fight, saying he "abused" me and such stuff. That is just infantile, and obviously not true in a fight where he lost 0:2. And those were not even ten-minute battles. It was over pretty quick.
He blew up. Twice.[/QUOTE] well i cant speak for mav but maybe it was the damage he did in 1 spike due to lack of epts?
now i do use this carrier. i have epts 1 2 and aux to sif. i can take focus fire to a point. then i need to use tss1. then maybe i go low aux for tbr for more hits, high aux to have a good push. i use 2 sif gens and a nutro armor. +18 to everything. now i am using vm1 and i might get a diff skill, either tss3 he 3 or tbr2. see i need to do damage and support role as sci. thats why im in the carrier. also use gw 3 and have all d-store accx2 mod beams. i use tt1 only if i have more then 1 beta on me with fomm. and i use delta with all the free target subsystem x. maybe i need to disbale some sheilds or engines or maybe even aux or weps. but least i have all beams that can do this. im not here to be main dps but at lest i can dish it out.
Once again Soph after playing for over 2 years now... I run ONE EPTS. No one said you had to go 2 or nothing. Frankly I think running 2 is stupid... as the down time is so low the opportunity cost is a bit high I think.
However you give up almost nothing to run ONE copy of EPTS 1... have you tried that at all ?
hummm.....well you know more then i do but i feel naked with out 2 epts. and honestly im not sure how good of an idea 1 epts would be. least for the advrage player.not only that but it keeps the resist there with out dropping.
Its more work only using one I will admit. Of course our friend refuses to run any... so I was simply pointing out to him that I get away with one copy... I can most of the time cover myself with piloting and other skills for 15 seconds... I am sure at times though that some of my teammates wished I had that second copy as well. lol
well its just funney when u had said that because on my escourt i was thinking eptw1 epts2. tho not sure how it would hold under focused fire like epts1 2 does.
now that i think of it could be good on my bop, just use alhpa decloak hit up for that 5 secs wait for my cloak to get off cd and run to cloak again. with eptw1 2 ofc