For someone who's only been playing for a few months, you sure have made a reputation for yourself within the PvP community. Not a good one, unfortunately.
I recommend taking the advice you've been given and stop arguing with people who are known to be far more knowledgeable about PvP than you...
For someone who's only been playing for a few months, you sure have made a reputation for yourself within the PvP community. Not a good one, unfortunately.
I recommend taking the advice you've been given and stop arguing with people who are known to be far more knowledgeable about PvP than you...
A short piece by maestro Hilbert, one can hear his fingers dance as he brings this short movement 'the End of the Tolerance' to an abrupt end with crescendo flourish.
No, nothing is more important than that static bonus to shield resistance, regen and a mid grade shield heal, for the slots that EPTS1 and 2 occupy. Nothing seriously, you are trying to debate with Tournament level players. Do you honestly think that we wouldn't run across moments where we would have been like "man I should have X instead of this!" After 2 years?
[...]
You have a point there. Together with Hil'bert's post in the other thread about the survival of alpha strikes... I will miss the hull heals though.
In the plus side of things, "shield healing" is more plausible anyway.
Edit: I just did an Arena match with 2 EPTS and RSP in my eng slots. It did really not make any difference vs my previous build - our team was a lot worse than theirs, so we lost 15:1, and that one actual kill was one where the Tolerance was involved.
Again, I cannot say that it does seem to make much of a difference in practice, but I'll do more tests after work.
our team was a lot worse than theirs, so we lost 15:1, and that one actual kill was one where the Tolerance was involved.
Not to burst your bubble, there. But you had NOTHING to do with that kill. The kill belonged to Lealana who came in from above and got me with a GOOD alpha. Just wanted to correct your error.
Not to burst your bubble, there. But you had NOTHING to do with that kill. The kill belonged to Lealana who came in from above and got me with a GOOD alpha. Just wanted to correct your error.
If you say so. The point really is that the exact loadout (Edit: between the normal ET1-RSP1-A2SIF2 and the one I used in this battle, which was EPTS1, EPTS2, RSP2) of my Eng slots did not make any observable difference at all to the outcome of the battle.
You have a point there. Together with Hil'bert's post in the other thread about the survival of alpha strikes... I will miss the hull heals though.
In the plus side of things, "shield healing" is more plausible anyway.
Edit: I just did an Arena match with 2 EPTS and RSP in my eng slots. It did really not make any difference vs my previous build - our team was a lot worse than theirs, so we lost 15:1, and that one actual kill was one where the Tolerance was involved.
Again, I cannot say that it does seem to make much of a difference in practice, but I'll do more tests after work.
If you say so. The point really is that the exact loadout (Edit: between the normal ET1-RSP1-A2SIF2 and the one I used in this battle, which was EPTS1, EPTS2, RSP2) of my Eng slots did not make any observable difference at all to the outcome of the battle.
Ok.......first off yall got your asses kicked during solo pugging so any data obtained during said slaughter would not be accurate. To be honest it sounds more like you're trying to make excuses so you can write off what we're saying again and go back to what you've been doing.....
Secondly, you have this notion stuck in your head, that you just don't want to let go of, that you're doing a lot of damage. Now I'm assuming that you're basing this off of Hilbert's parser data and the fact that you've killed puglets and those are just not things that you can go off of to say that you're right.
If you want proof that you're not a threat and closer to a liability for the team, then join the OrganizedPvP channel (which has been suggested in this thread before) and get in on some of the 10v10 matches that go on there from time to time, or just latch onto an OPvP-made that's looking for more people to queue up with. If you keep your build the way it is then in the average match you won't score higher than 3rd in damage output, and while you might get top heals it won't matter because you're a Tac and can never be as good a healer as a Sci or Eng captain.....
Ok.......first off yall got your asses kicked during solo pugging so any data obtained during said slaughter would not be accurate. To be honest it sounds more like you're trying to make excuses so you can write off what we're saying again and go back to what you've been doing.....
Whatever you want to think I think, think it. My conclusion, though, is rather that while EPTS may give the ship overall +20% effectiveness or whatever (Edit2: The ship did suffer a few bleedthrough kiils, though, due to... lack of hull heals), that pales in relevance vs. the teamwork.
Secondly, you have this notion stuck in your head, that you just don't want to let go of, that you're doing a lot of damage.
Compared to what? Obviously the Tolerance is no escort - what are you trying to say? "Not scoring higher than 3rd in damage output" is necessarily a bad thing?
[Rant]
I not only say so, if I had the Video Proof, Log Proof, and any other Internet values that would prove what I was saying was true, I would gladly bring them here and reveal them in order for this internet kangroo court to see as being truth.
[/Rant]
Now as far as your Engineering slots.. I'd recommend, Higly:
Engi Team 1, Aux to Sif 1, EPtS 3 or
EpTS 1, Aux to Sif 1, EpTS 3
Or
Engi team 1, RSP 1, EPtS 3
or
EPtW 1, RSP 1, EPtS 3
Notice a trend there? I'm recommending the skill Emergency power to shields 3. That skill, when fully trained, can provide a near full shield recovery, good shield resistance, and depending on your traits also provide a needed boost to your shields.
How ever, if you do not have any one on a team giving you help with Shield/Hull heals and resist boosts, you will not survive against 5 players attacking you at once for very long. Perhaps about 6-12 Months ago it was possible to do so with a Carrier. But these days with the changes to skills, and the way BO Powers work, you will NEED a team to keep you alive. This is especially true in a Tac Officer in a carrier.
Also, your Damage as a Tactical will never and I mean N E V E R equal that of an Escort. I am hoping that you do know and understand this fact. If you said so previously I may have missed it as I have been skiming this thread more then reading it as of late. How ever.. there is something new I have discovered for Tactical Officers that either has been broken or balanced down that can be done with a science power I was unaware was being affected by Tac buffs:
Feedback Pulse. I was examining Feedback pulse, and noticed that with Tac buffs the Damage percentage repelled goes up with tactical buffs. With Feedback Pulse 2, 100 Aux, on a MVAM I noticed I could get the damage to show 1.5 With Tac Buffs. 1.6 with Omega + Tac buffs. Now if I'm reading it right, as math is not my area of expertise, but I believe that would mean that damage is returned at about 150-160% higher then when you get struck with it? Again, a guess there. And if that's the case, Feedback Pulse might also make a rather nice offensive power for your Carrier. The only downside would be that it does share a cool down with Transfer Shield Strength. So the best time to use it might be if you get Subnuced after an RSP, or between TSS heal uses when your under heavy fire.
[Rant]
I not only say so, if I had the Video Proof, Log Proof, and any other Internet values that would prove what I was saying was true, I would gladly bring them here and reveal them in order for this internet kangroo court to see as being truth.
[/Rant]
I am not saying anything. I just don't care.
How ever, if you do not have any one on a team giving you help with Shield/Hull heals and resist boosts, you will not survive against 5 players attacking you at once for very long.
Oh, thanks for that hint. I had not noticed that yet.
Also, your Damage as a Tactical will never and I mean N E V E R equal that of an Escort.
You think?
Feedback Pulse.
Tested it a while back. Was fun, but shared cooldown with TSS. With more EPTS in the mix, I might be able to drop one TSS.
I remember reading a post somewhere it would be a good idea to combine a low DPS ship with a Tactical Officer, since you would compensate the weaknesses. While it's true that this can compensate a weakness, the question is: Is there a point to compensate a weakness? WHy not build on a strength instead and maximize that?
Well, you can say "That's boring". Okay. But then I'll have to say that it's weird to ask for improvements to that build. The constraint "be not boring" is problematic since it's not just highly subjective - it makes it very difficult to say more than: "Remember to max your BO skill ranks and get sets and very rares and what not". Because every improvement is based on the idea of capilizing on your strengths. But that will lead to the "boring" territory. Sure, you'll also spending resources to minimize weaknesses - but usually only "survival" weaknesses. Not stuff like DPS or crowd control. Being dead hinders any ship at its job. Being bad at crowd control doesn't diminish your DPS or healing capabilites, being bad at DPS doesn't diminish crowd control or heals.
So, if you really care about damage, then you just don't take a Cruiser, Carrier or Science Vessel. You take an Escort. If you want to fly a Carrier, you will not want a Tactical Officer, but an Engineer or Science Officer (I prefer Engineer, since you can't really use the SNB well on a Carrier and the Engineer self-heals will give you the option to spend a lot of resources on healing others even when you get under pressure. But maybe that's not conventional wisdom?). ANd you don't build that Carrier for damage, but for crowd control and healing.
Sustained DPS is very useful in pvp. If a team has _only_ sustained dps it can become a problem and lead to incredibly long matches, but sustained dps is a really important ingredient for a successful team.
I disagree. Two different team abilities are not a problem and I would even suggest to always have a tactical and a science team. Three different teams are no problem on a cruiser. On a carrier with its limited engineering slots, I'd drop the ET.
And just for bragging: I was part of the TSI team that won the TE fall event against QEW and my ship had 4 team abilities installed. :eek:
Sustained dps if used correctly can be awesome. I use dual, single cannons and dual heavies to suit the situation.
Proof of effectiveness on YouTube. Search parameter "sto sad pandas"
It got to the point where I was banned by opponents in premades using that said build.
As for 2 team abilities, on my sci cruiser, sci team 2 with doffs and eng team 3 all the way.
Sci oddy cruiser is by far more useable pugging and especially in premades. The dps on it is very pleasing and that build is standard through our fleet. Ask anyone who has gone up against them.
Disclaimer: No mathematical analysis was conducted on the mentioned build at any point in time. The build spec is Panda patented but freely given to anyone with common sense who is willing to use proven builds and asks for it. Self righteous idiots will be sued for using the build.
I remember reading a post somewhere it would be a good idea to combine a low DPS ship with a Tactical Officer, since you would compensate the weaknesses. While it's true that this can compensate a weakness, the question is: Is there a point to compensate a weakness? WHy not build on a strength instead and maximize that?
Well, truth to be told, there are several factors that play role here for me. One is: i don't like the high turn rate of escorts, as it makes me feel like sitting in a fighter's pilot seat and not on the bridge of a Star Trek starship.
And secondly, I don't like the squishy setup of escorts. The whole notion of "better be able to blow more stuff up than to survive" looks very unlikable to me.
Thirdly, I want to have the carrier experience of commanding pets around.
And fourthly, I don't want to be limited to a "support ship" role. I want to do some kills or at least contribute significantly to them. Given how STO is set up, I won't be able to destroy a competently commanded ship in a 1v1 with any ship except by some freak random event such as a critical hit (yes, I still do believe that), but doing a little bit more than half the damage required to kill is perfectly okay.
I believe points one, two, and four are actually not that rare in players.
Now, Looking at an Atrox class, it clearly lacks offensive power on its own, but with a Tactical captain, it becomes a lot better. Yes, that means compared to an escort, it will do much less damage than those space planes (about the difference between wide-arc weapons and small-arc weapons, multiplied by all the 1.x bonuses from tac boff slots that those might get more in an escort, and of course the tac captain powers). But it will stiil do much more than an Engineer or Sci captain in an Atrox.
If one thinks that means the damage remains irrelevant, then what would that say about Engineer and Sci captains? That they could as well unequip their beams?
Well, you can say "That's boring". Okay. But then I'll have to say that it's weird to ask for improvements to that build.
Let me be a bit nitpicky here by saying that strictly speaking, I did not ask for imrovements. I asked for comments of all kinds (including negative judgement, of course), and I am always willing to test my builds in real games, because discussions will show only so much and prove much less, but I was not asking for "how do I build this".
In fact, psychologically speaking, giving "advice" in the form that many have done here is counterproductive, because by saying someone how he should do things, you take away any potential rewards from him that he might get out of figuring stuff out on his own. Instead of saying "GO TAKE EPTS YOU MORON!" it would, for example, just have been better to say
"I think you still need more shield healing and not so much hull healing. Let me show you why in a 1v1, 2v2 or the like".
Well, truth to be told, there are several factors that play role here for me. One is: i don't like the high turn rate of escorts, as it makes me feel like sitting in a fighter's pilot seat and not on the bridge of a Star Trek starship.
And secondly, I don't like the squishy setup of escorts. The whole notion of "better be able to blow more stuff up than to survive" looks very unlikable to me.
Well your view of trek is narrow... The Sisko would disagree with your views.
Another thing to consider... you where obviously doing your escort very wrong.
They are not desinged to Blow up when hit with a stiff wind. Many people these days fly there escorts properly and "escort" there team mates... they don't blow up any faster then the average cruiser... you should revisit one with your tac really... and ask for advice on that and learn how to fly it properly.
Well your view of trek is narrow... The Sisko would disagree with your views.
Let us not discuss that. I just don't like it, and no watching of DS9, however awesome as the show may be, will change that. Call it a personal limitation of mine, if you want.
In fact, psychologically speaking, giving "advice" in the form that many have done here is counterproductive, because by saying someone how he should do things, you take away any potential rewards from him that he might get out of figuring stuff out on his own. Instead of saying "GO TAKE EPTS YOU MORON!" it would, for example, just have been better to say
"I think you still need more shield healing and not so much hull healing. Let me show you why in a 1v1, 2v2 or the like".
*Head-Desk*
I'm trying to stay positive, but it's getting harder and harder as I read on.
OHH this build is the greatest I've seen so far! I envy you so much, you know. You're a freakin' YENIUS, yes! So different, yet capable of filling every role... I'm not surprised to see this many pages here... its just awsum. And yu guise should really stop flaming the man here.
But still, my Cardassian Galor Class Tactical Cruiser For Tactical Operations In Tense Circumstances, the U.S.S. NippleKing would circle around your barge so fast you wouldn't be able to turn you turrets fast enough... oh, wait... we're not playing World of Tanks atm, riight?
OHH this build is the greatest I've seen so far! I envy you so much, you know. You're a freakin' YENIUS, yes! So different, yet capable of filling every role... I'm not surprised to see this many pages here... its just awsum. And yu guise should really stop flaming the man here.
But still, my Cardassian Galor Class Tactical Cruiser For Tactical Operations In Tense Circumstances, the U.S.S. NippleKing would circle around your barge so fast you wouldn't be able to turn you turrets fast enough... oh, wait... we're not playing World of Tanks atm, riight?
Well, at least that's just a comment, although not a polite one.
oh i've heard that before just once to often. I ll paint them green for you and we have some sort of truth or dare game attached to it.
No thanks, Tipping and watching may be ok, if one suspends disbelief enough, but I've seen friends drink way too much and almost follow the scenario that Red ricky described above.......
I do not know which was more frightening a prospect, the idea that they had drank so much as too forget where they are or that sometimes we would just not try hard to talk them out of it.
"Yes. A Guy Impersonating a Real Lady. I've heard about them and wanted to learn more."
"You said 'I'm gonna take her upstairs.' You called him her."
"I was being polite. It's what she prefers."
"So let me get this straight. You came to a brothel to see a dude in a dress?"
"Of course I did. Sure, it might be more effective to take a female upstairs, but that's what everyone else does. "
"Wait, I know you're not into guys, and you're telling me that you intentionally passed up all these pretty, albeit disease carrying girls, to go see what a Thai ladyboy was? That's bullcrap, you thought he was a chick."
"Your narrow worldview can't understand how I might want to expand my knowledge."
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are you saying that its not important to understand your surroundings and stay alive?
there is this guy you should read about.
his name is Sun Tzu
I like to think that it's mostly masochism at this point.
*hands prize for winning the thread over to Ricky *
oh i've heard that before just once to often. I ll paint them green for you and we have some sort of truth or dare game attached to it.
I recommend taking the advice you've been given and stop arguing with people who are known to be far more knowledgeable about PvP than you...
Edit: Wow, just look at who's posted...http://forums.startrekonline.com/misc.php?do=whoposted&t=272701
That's about what I did to him when I had GW on my mvam.
Sucked him right in literally... and blammo
Also, consider that vid liked.
Omg I have 40 posts in this thread already?
Jesus. I just want to put something in perspective, apparently I've posted almost half as much as the OP himself has.
Encore Mastser Hilbert
You have a point there. Together with Hil'bert's post in the other thread about the survival of alpha strikes... I will miss the hull heals though.
In the plus side of things, "shield healing" is more plausible anyway.
Edit: I just did an Arena match with 2 EPTS and RSP in my eng slots. It did really not make any difference vs my previous build - our team was a lot worse than theirs, so we lost 15:1, and that one actual kill was one where the Tolerance was involved.
Again, I cannot say that it does seem to make much of a difference in practice, but I'll do more tests after work.
Not to burst your bubble, there. But you had NOTHING to do with that kill. The kill belonged to Lealana who came in from above and got me with a GOOD alpha. Just wanted to correct your error.
If you say so. The point really is that the exact loadout (Edit: between the normal ET1-RSP1-A2SIF2 and the one I used in this battle, which was EPTS1, EPTS2, RSP2) of my Eng slots did not make any observable difference at all to the outcome of the battle.
Ok.......first off yall got your asses kicked during solo pugging so any data obtained during said slaughter would not be accurate. To be honest it sounds more like you're trying to make excuses so you can write off what we're saying again and go back to what you've been doing.....
Secondly, you have this notion stuck in your head, that you just don't want to let go of, that you're doing a lot of damage. Now I'm assuming that you're basing this off of Hilbert's parser data and the fact that you've killed puglets and those are just not things that you can go off of to say that you're right.
If you want proof that you're not a threat and closer to a liability for the team, then join the OrganizedPvP channel (which has been suggested in this thread before) and get in on some of the 10v10 matches that go on there from time to time, or just latch onto an OPvP-made that's looking for more people to queue up with. If you keep your build the way it is then in the average match you won't score higher than 3rd in damage output, and while you might get top heals it won't matter because you're a Tac and can never be as good a healer as a Sci or Eng captain.....
Whatever you want to think I think, think it. My conclusion, though, is rather that while EPTS may give the ship overall +20% effectiveness or whatever (Edit2: The ship did suffer a few bleedthrough kiils, though, due to... lack of hull heals), that pales in relevance vs. the teamwork.
Compared to what? Obviously the Tolerance is no escort - what are you trying to say? "Not scoring higher than 3rd in damage output" is necessarily a bad thing?
I not only say so, if I had the Video Proof, Log Proof, and any other Internet values that would prove what I was saying was true, I would gladly bring them here and reveal them in order for this internet kangroo court to see as being truth.
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Now as far as your Engineering slots.. I'd recommend, Higly:
Engi Team 1, Aux to Sif 1, EPtS 3 or
EpTS 1, Aux to Sif 1, EpTS 3
Or
Engi team 1, RSP 1, EPtS 3
or
EPtW 1, RSP 1, EPtS 3
Notice a trend there? I'm recommending the skill Emergency power to shields 3. That skill, when fully trained, can provide a near full shield recovery, good shield resistance, and depending on your traits also provide a needed boost to your shields.
How ever, if you do not have any one on a team giving you help with Shield/Hull heals and resist boosts, you will not survive against 5 players attacking you at once for very long. Perhaps about 6-12 Months ago it was possible to do so with a Carrier. But these days with the changes to skills, and the way BO Powers work, you will NEED a team to keep you alive. This is especially true in a Tac Officer in a carrier.
Also, your Damage as a Tactical will never and I mean N E V E R equal that of an Escort. I am hoping that you do know and understand this fact. If you said so previously I may have missed it as I have been skiming this thread more then reading it as of late. How ever.. there is something new I have discovered for Tactical Officers that either has been broken or balanced down that can be done with a science power I was unaware was being affected by Tac buffs:
Feedback Pulse. I was examining Feedback pulse, and noticed that with Tac buffs the Damage percentage repelled goes up with tactical buffs. With Feedback Pulse 2, 100 Aux, on a MVAM I noticed I could get the damage to show 1.5 With Tac Buffs. 1.6 with Omega + Tac buffs. Now if I'm reading it right, as math is not my area of expertise, but I believe that would mean that damage is returned at about 150-160% higher then when you get struck with it? Again, a guess there. And if that's the case, Feedback Pulse might also make a rather nice offensive power for your Carrier. The only downside would be that it does share a cool down with Transfer Shield Strength. So the best time to use it might be if you get Subnuced after an RSP, or between TSS heal uses when your under heavy fire.
I am not saying anything. I just don't care.
Oh, thanks for that hint. I had not noticed that yet.
You think?
Tested it a while back. Was fun, but shared cooldown with TSS. With more EPTS in the mix, I might be able to drop one TSS.
It's clearly a case of this: http://xkcd.com/386/
Well, you can say "That's boring". Okay. But then I'll have to say that it's weird to ask for improvements to that build. The constraint "be not boring" is problematic since it's not just highly subjective - it makes it very difficult to say more than: "Remember to max your BO skill ranks and get sets and very rares and what not". Because every improvement is based on the idea of capilizing on your strengths. But that will lead to the "boring" territory. Sure, you'll also spending resources to minimize weaknesses - but usually only "survival" weaknesses. Not stuff like DPS or crowd control. Being dead hinders any ship at its job. Being bad at crowd control doesn't diminish your DPS or healing capabilites, being bad at DPS doesn't diminish crowd control or heals.
So, if you really care about damage, then you just don't take a Cruiser, Carrier or Science Vessel. You take an Escort. If you want to fly a Carrier, you will not want a Tactical Officer, but an Engineer or Science Officer (I prefer Engineer, since you can't really use the SNB well on a Carrier and the Engineer self-heals will give you the option to spend a lot of resources on healing others even when you get under pressure. But maybe that's not conventional wisdom?). ANd you don't build that Carrier for damage, but for crowd control and healing.
LOL Truth in this thread!
Sustained dps if used correctly can be awesome. I use dual, single cannons and dual heavies to suit the situation.
Proof of effectiveness on YouTube. Search parameter "sto sad pandas"
It got to the point where I was banned by opponents in premades using that said build.
As for 2 team abilities, on my sci cruiser, sci team 2 with doffs and eng team 3 all the way.
Sci oddy cruiser is by far more useable pugging and especially in premades. The dps on it is very pleasing and that build is standard through our fleet. Ask anyone who has gone up against them.
Disclaimer: No mathematical analysis was conducted on the mentioned build at any point in time. The build spec is Panda patented but freely given to anyone with common sense who is willing to use proven builds and asks for it. Self righteous idiots will be sued for using the build.
Well, truth to be told, there are several factors that play role here for me. One is: i don't like the high turn rate of escorts, as it makes me feel like sitting in a fighter's pilot seat and not on the bridge of a Star Trek starship.
And secondly, I don't like the squishy setup of escorts. The whole notion of "better be able to blow more stuff up than to survive" looks very unlikable to me.
Thirdly, I want to have the carrier experience of commanding pets around.
And fourthly, I don't want to be limited to a "support ship" role. I want to do some kills or at least contribute significantly to them. Given how STO is set up, I won't be able to destroy a competently commanded ship in a 1v1 with any ship except by some freak random event such as a critical hit (yes, I still do believe that), but doing a little bit more than half the damage required to kill is perfectly okay.
I believe points one, two, and four are actually not that rare in players.
Now, Looking at an Atrox class, it clearly lacks offensive power on its own, but with a Tactical captain, it becomes a lot better. Yes, that means compared to an escort, it will do much less damage than those space planes (about the difference between wide-arc weapons and small-arc weapons, multiplied by all the 1.x bonuses from tac boff slots that those might get more in an escort, and of course the tac captain powers). But it will stiil do much more than an Engineer or Sci captain in an Atrox.
If one thinks that means the damage remains irrelevant, then what would that say about Engineer and Sci captains? That they could as well unequip their beams?
Let me be a bit nitpicky here by saying that strictly speaking, I did not ask for imrovements. I asked for comments of all kinds (including negative judgement, of course), and I am always willing to test my builds in real games, because discussions will show only so much and prove much less, but I was not asking for "how do I build this".
In fact, psychologically speaking, giving "advice" in the form that many have done here is counterproductive, because by saying someone how he should do things, you take away any potential rewards from him that he might get out of figuring stuff out on his own. Instead of saying "GO TAKE EPTS YOU MORON!" it would, for example, just have been better to say
"I think you still need more shield healing and not so much hull healing. Let me show you why in a 1v1, 2v2 or the like".
Well your view of trek is narrow... The Sisko would disagree with your views.
Another thing to consider... you where obviously doing your escort very wrong.
They are not desinged to Blow up when hit with a stiff wind. Many people these days fly there escorts properly and "escort" there team mates... they don't blow up any faster then the average cruiser... you should revisit one with your tac really... and ask for advice on that and learn how to fly it properly.
Let us not discuss that. I just don't like it, and no watching of DS9, however awesome as the show may be, will change that. Call it a personal limitation of mine, if you want.
*Head-Desk*
I'm trying to stay positive, but it's getting harder and harder as I read on.
But still, my Cardassian Galor Class Tactical Cruiser For Tactical Operations In Tense Circumstances, the U.S.S. NippleKing would circle around your barge so fast you wouldn't be able to turn you turrets fast enough... oh, wait... we're not playing World of Tanks atm, riight?
1v1.
Well, at least that's just a comment, although not a polite one.
In about 5 hours.
No thanks, Tipping and watching may be ok, if one suspends disbelief enough, but I've seen friends drink way too much and almost follow the scenario that Red ricky described above.......
I do not know which was more frightening a prospect, the idea that they had drank so much as too forget where they are or that sometimes we would just not try hard to talk them out of it.
" No No, let the LT learn for himself......."
"So, you're back. How did that go?"
"Fine."
"I tried to tell you it was a man."
"I knew it was a man."
"What? You said it was a girl."
"Yes. A Guy Impersonating a Real Lady. I've heard about them and wanted to learn more."
"You said 'I'm gonna take her upstairs.' You called him her."
"I was being polite. It's what she prefers."
"So let me get this straight. You came to a brothel to see a dude in a dress?"
"Of course I did. Sure, it might be more effective to take a female upstairs, but that's what everyone else does.
"Wait, I know you're not into guys, and you're telling me that you intentionally passed up all these pretty, albeit disease carrying girls, to go see what a Thai ladyboy was? That's bullcrap, you thought he was a chick."
"Your narrow worldview can't understand how I might want to expand my knowledge."
"Uh-huh. Then why are you sitting funny?"