"Yes. A Guy Impersonating a Real Lady. I've heard about them and wanted to learn more."
"You said 'I'm gonna take her upstairs.' You called him her."
"I was being polite. It's what she prefers."
"So let me get this straight. You came to a brothel to see a dude in a dress?"
"Of course I did. Sure, it might be more effective to take a female upstairs, but that's what everyone else does. "
"Wait, I know you're not into guys, and you're telling me that you intentionally passed up all these pretty, albeit disease carrying girls, to go see what a Thai ladyboy was? That's bullcrap, you thought he was a chick."
"Your narrow worldview can't understand how I might want to expand my knowledge."
Well, truth to be told, there are several factors that play role here for me. One is: i don't like the high turn rate of escorts, as it makes me feel like sitting in a fighter's pilot seat and not on the bridge of a Star Trek starship.
And secondly, I don't like the squishy setup of escorts. The whole notion of "better be able to blow more stuff up than to survive" looks very unlikable to me.
Thirdly, I want to have the carrier experience of commanding pets around.
And fourthly, I don't want to be limited to a "support ship" role. I want to do some kills or at least contribute significantly to them. Given how STO is set up, I won't be able to destroy a competently commanded ship in a 1v1 with any ship except by some freak random event such as a critical hit (yes, I still do believe that), but doing a little bit more than half the damage required to kill is perfectly okay.
I believe points one, two, and four are actually not that rare in players.
Now, Looking at an Atrox class, it clearly lacks offensive power on its own, but with a Tactical captain, it becomes a lot better. Yes, that means compared to an escort, it will do much less damage than those space planes (about the difference between wide-arc weapons and small-arc weapons, multiplied by all the 1.x bonuses from tac boff slots that those might get more in an escort, and of course the tac captain powers). But it will stiil do much more than an Engineer or Sci captain in an Atrox.
If one thinks that means the damage remains irrelevant, then what would that say about Engineer and Sci captains? That they could as well unequip their beams?
Let me be a bit nitpicky here by saying that strictly speaking, I did not ask for imrovements. I asked for comments of all kinds (including negative judgement, of course), and I am always willing to test my builds in real games, because discussions will show only so much and prove much less, but I was not asking for "how do I build this".
In fact, psychologically speaking, giving "advice" in the form that many have done here is counterproductive, because by saying someone how he should do things, you take away any potential rewards from him that he might get out of figuring stuff out on his own. Instead of saying "GO TAKE EPTS YOU MORON!" it would, for example, just have been better to say
"I think you still need more shield healing and not so much hull healing. Let me show you why in a 1v1, 2v2 or the like".
You clearly don't watch alot of trek. Even Voyager dances around. You do realize the reason the Enterprise D and previous ships moved like a Fat Kid had nothing to do with design intent, and everything to do with tech limitations right? They even say this. Repeatedly. It's only morons that don't bother doing any Research that think otherwise. (that I frequently call devs of this game Morons is no coincidence either) I think the real reason you don't play Escort, but you just don't want to admit it is you are terrible at buff timing, and moving a ship. For you you'd rather be able to blame your lack of output on a failboat rather than your own inadequacies.
I out Tanked You. With Ease. Sivar out tanked you, in an outdated Sci Raptor that didn't even have Doffs to help him out. You got no right to complain about being squishy son.
Then put scorpion fighters, and deployable turrets on any other ship. There you go, carrier experience.
Also, guess what son. People kill each other all the time in 1v1s. Skilled Pvpers are actually capable of hurting a target while remaining durable. I 7and 0ed you, with a bare minimum of effort. I duel other scorts now as well, and guess what? One of us will Die. I also duel sci ships, and again Someone Dies. The only thing I can't reliably kill are Engineers in Carriers, and Cruisers 1v1. Everything and anyone else? It's Game On.
You aren't going to be killing jack in a carrier. Even a tac carrier without a total rebuild of your ship for more offensive sci powers. You couldn't hurt anyone even after your current failboat setup, that wasn't playing with you for the lulz.. "my tac captain skills compliment this perfectly!" No no they don't you idiot. You couldn't be more wrong save for ceasing to balance your own shields. No I'm serious. You aren't equipping offense powers that are complimented by tac buffs, you aren't using 6 beams to put good solid damage on a target, you aren't running FAW2. You're basically just sitting at full weapon power with space bar being smashed and expecting some how to do real damage.
Your DPS is a joke compared to a tac cruiser, Tac Sci Ship, and Escort all alike. At best in a -real- team against -skilled- opponents you can hope for is sucking the #5 spot like a pro hooker in damage and kills.
Even at my worst when I fly my tac recon, and every enemy is spending more time running away from me, rather than letting me 13-50k them with PSW3, or 10k crit chain them with TBR I still range #5 through 3 on damage. But I'm still able to easily contribute to a match given that my ship is very good at Area Denial, and I can still hit people with 6 beams, target subsystems, and viral matrix. And I can still heal an ally if necessary (albiet not as well as a sci sci or engi could) . You on the other hand? You have heals.... that you have to blow on yourself just to not stare at the respawn counter.
Ask anyone in this thread, infact I will do it for you, Guys what would you rather have? This failboat lolcat carrier, or my Tac Recon on your team?
You Won't Be. And with your attitude you will never be a good pvper. You'll always be the guy that everyone goes "lol" at in team chats the world over.
And no you won't do more dps than an eng or sci. Because for starters you'll be spending all your time looking at the Respawn button, for another, your throwing your buffs away on powers that don't get boosted by them, and by vastly inferior weapon choices to what someone with a glimmer of intelligence would equip on his ship, especially after having something like 20 people that are quite clearly more skilled telling you what to put on your ship.
You are a Crowd Control Heal Ship. Not a damage boat. Your ship does is not capable of performing either of the former two roles with any real proficiency. It sure as hell can't perform the latter with the utter lack of tac boffs, and consoles. Furthermore you also lack the offensive sci powers to make up for it with your fail build.
You know why people are calling you an idiot, laughing at you, and calling you a moron? Because when someone hands you your *** on a silver platter, makes you eat it, and then bangs your girlfriend ontop of your dead body, you go "that is a fluke!" rather than go.... "how did you do that" And when said people give you advice, on how to not suck like a Tai Hooker you go "I know better it makes no difference!"
What he's trying to accomplish is nothing new. I'm sure there are other people who attempted to do the same thing by having good offense + good defense in a Tac / Voquv/Cat Carrier setup.
It's like going to try and reason with a talk show host. At least their willful ignorance is partially due to them having more ratings...
Or is that the rationale for this thead all along :rolleyes:
Anyways, thank you for another enjoyable read and observance.
Well, truth to be told, there are several factors that play role here for me. One is: i don't like the high turn rate of escorts, as it makes me feel like sitting in a fighter's pilot seat and not on the bridge of a Star Trek starship.
And secondly, I don't like the squishy setup of escorts. The whole notion of "better be able to blow more stuff up than to survive" looks very unlikable to me.
Thirdly, I want to have the carrier experience of commanding pets around.
And fourthly, I don't want to be limited to a "support ship" role. I want to do some kills or at least contribute significantly to them. Given how STO is set up, I won't be able to destroy a competently commanded ship in a 1v1 with any ship except by some freak random event such as a critical hit (yes, I still do believe that), but doing a little bit more than half the damage required to kill is perfectly okay.
I believe points one, two, and four are actually not that rare in players.
Now, Looking at an Atrox class, it clearly lacks offensive power on its own, but with a Tactical captain, it becomes a lot better. Yes, that means compared to an escort, it will do much less damage than those space planes (about the difference between wide-arc weapons and small-arc weapons, multiplied by all the 1.x bonuses from tac boff slots that those might get more in an escort, and of course the tac captain powers). But it will stiil do much more than an Engineer or Sci captain in an Atrox.
If one thinks that means the damage remains irrelevant, then what would that say about Engineer and Sci captains? That they could as well unequip their beams?
Let me be a bit nitpicky here by saying that strictly speaking, I did not ask for imrovements. I asked for comments of all kinds (including negative judgement, of course), and I am always willing to test my builds in real games, because discussions will show only so much and prove much less, but I was not asking for "how do I build this".
In fact, psychologically speaking, giving "advice" in the form that many have done here is counterproductive, because by saying someone how he should do things, you take away any potential rewards from him that he might get out of figuring stuff out on his own. Instead of saying "GO TAKE EPTS YOU MORON!" it would, for example, just have been better to say
"I think you still need more shield healing and not so much hull healing. Let me show you why in a 1v1, 2v2 or the like".
First of all, let me just start by saying you''ll learn nothing about your ship's capability in a regular 5v5 or Cap & Hold by getting advice in 1v1 or 2v2. As a long time Vo'Quv pilot let me just say cryptic has repeatedly nerfed carriers dps because of Fed complaining they were too powerful. If cryptic had left carriers able to put out 24 fighters or 8 frigates then it's possible your combo would be decent. That said, for God's sake take the advice given! You have plenty of VERY competent pvpers telling you what to change & why who have been here a long time, some have been here since Beta. A carrier can't do torps or beam banks because you need to keep your speed up & do lazy circles, use beam fire at will 2 not beam overload because it misses way too much. You need to use an EptS & rsp, or 2 EptS's to keep your shields up. Carriers are support craft in the modern star trek fleet, so learn to be a team player & carry the heals or your team will lose because Joe escort can't keep himself alive. I haven't posted on this board for a very long time because of people who come here "asking advice" then not taking advice from the foremost pvpers in the game. Anyway, sorry to rant but please listen!
"Yes. A Guy Impersonating a Real Lady. I've heard about them and wanted to learn more."
"You said 'I'm gonna take her upstairs.' You called him her."
"I was being polite. It's what she prefers."
"So let me get this straight. You came to a brothel to see a dude in a dress?"
"Of course I did. Sure, it might be more effective to take a female upstairs, but that's what everyone else does. "
"Wait, I know you're not into guys, and you're telling me that you intentionally passed up all these pretty, albeit disease carrying girls, to go see what a Thai ladyboy was? That's bullcrap, you thought he was a chick."
"Your narrow worldview can't understand how I might want to expand my knowledge."
"Uh-huh. Then why are you sitting funny?"
At this point it becoes an issue of DADT, or at least until recently.
Frankly I don't care the sexual orientation of the soldier next to me as long as they do thier job, nobody quits and we all went home.
Take one's orientation past that so it put my life at risk in the field and then we have a problem.
Otherwise, meh- who cares?
At this point it becoes an issue of DADT, or at least until recently.
Frankly I don't care the sexual orientation of the soldier next to me as long as they do thier job, nobody quits and we all went home.
Take one's orientation past that so it put my life at risk in the field and then we have a problem.
Otherwise, meh- who cares?
Aggreed. As long as they dont stand up in a fox hole to sing:
Are you sure that the image you draw of yourself is something you want to be known as?
Now please, the purpose of this thread is to discuss the build of the Tolerance. If you want to discuss something else perhaps you should start another thread.
that, my friend, is the ever OP fireworks conslole.
That's the best thing Cryptic ever made. I find people use it to seldom. Maybe it's because of all the F2P that will forever be denied the joy of fireworks.
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You forgot the part where he asks to duel.
about time
I know soph, but what we're tying to tell you is if you'd get off your island, we'd be more than willing to help you...
You clearly don't watch alot of trek. Even Voyager dances around. You do realize the reason the Enterprise D and previous ships moved like a Fat Kid had nothing to do with design intent, and everything to do with tech limitations right? They even say this. Repeatedly. It's only morons that don't bother doing any Research that think otherwise. (that I frequently call devs of this game Morons is no coincidence either) I think the real reason you don't play Escort, but you just don't want to admit it is you are terrible at buff timing, and moving a ship. For you you'd rather be able to blame your lack of output on a failboat rather than your own inadequacies.
I out Tanked You. With Ease. Sivar out tanked you, in an outdated Sci Raptor that didn't even have Doffs to help him out. You got no right to complain about being squishy son.
Then put scorpion fighters, and deployable turrets on any other ship. There you go, carrier experience.
Also, guess what son. People kill each other all the time in 1v1s. Skilled Pvpers are actually capable of hurting a target while remaining durable. I 7and 0ed you, with a bare minimum of effort. I duel other scorts now as well, and guess what? One of us will Die. I also duel sci ships, and again Someone Dies. The only thing I can't reliably kill are Engineers in Carriers, and Cruisers 1v1. Everything and anyone else? It's Game On.
You aren't going to be killing jack in a carrier. Even a tac carrier without a total rebuild of your ship for more offensive sci powers. You couldn't hurt anyone even after your current failboat setup, that wasn't playing with you for the lulz.. "my tac captain skills compliment this perfectly!" No no they don't you idiot. You couldn't be more wrong save for ceasing to balance your own shields. No I'm serious. You aren't equipping offense powers that are complimented by tac buffs, you aren't using 6 beams to put good solid damage on a target, you aren't running FAW2. You're basically just sitting at full weapon power with space bar being smashed and expecting some how to do real damage.
Your DPS is a joke compared to a tac cruiser, Tac Sci Ship, and Escort all alike. At best in a -real- team against -skilled- opponents you can hope for is sucking the #5 spot like a pro hooker in damage and kills.
Even at my worst when I fly my tac recon, and every enemy is spending more time running away from me, rather than letting me 13-50k them with PSW3, or 10k crit chain them with TBR I still range #5 through 3 on damage. But I'm still able to easily contribute to a match given that my ship is very good at Area Denial, and I can still hit people with 6 beams, target subsystems, and viral matrix. And I can still heal an ally if necessary (albiet not as well as a sci sci or engi could) . You on the other hand? You have heals.... that you have to blow on yourself just to not stare at the respawn counter.
Ask anyone in this thread, infact I will do it for you, Guys what would you rather have? This failboat lolcat carrier, or my Tac Recon on your team?
You Won't Be. And with your attitude you will never be a good pvper. You'll always be the guy that everyone goes "lol" at in team chats the world over.
And no you won't do more dps than an eng or sci. Because for starters you'll be spending all your time looking at the Respawn button, for another, your throwing your buffs away on powers that don't get boosted by them, and by vastly inferior weapon choices to what someone with a glimmer of intelligence would equip on his ship, especially after having something like 20 people that are quite clearly more skilled telling you what to put on your ship.
You are a Crowd Control Heal Ship. Not a damage boat. Your ship does is not capable of performing either of the former two roles with any real proficiency. It sure as hell can't perform the latter with the utter lack of tac boffs, and consoles. Furthermore you also lack the offensive sci powers to make up for it with your fail build.
You know why people are calling you an idiot, laughing at you, and calling you a moron? Because when someone hands you your *** on a silver platter, makes you eat it, and then bangs your girlfriend ontop of your dead body, you go "that is a fluke!" rather than go.... "how did you do that" And when said people give you advice, on how to not suck like a Tai Hooker you go "I know better it makes no difference!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8rZWw9HE7o&feature=BFa&list=PL99D9A2349B062921 Your appearence in this video will be at 2:10 seconds.
Also you owe me, since I obliged your challenge previously.
It's like going to try and reason with a talk show host. At least their willful ignorance is partially due to them having more ratings...
Or is that the rationale for this thead all along :rolleyes:
Anyways, thank you for another enjoyable read and observance.
First of all, let me just start by saying you''ll learn nothing about your ship's capability in a regular 5v5 or Cap & Hold by getting advice in 1v1 or 2v2. As a long time Vo'Quv pilot let me just say cryptic has repeatedly nerfed carriers dps because of Fed complaining they were too powerful. If cryptic had left carriers able to put out 24 fighters or 8 frigates then it's possible your combo would be decent. That said, for God's sake take the advice given! You have plenty of VERY competent pvpers telling you what to change & why who have been here a long time, some have been here since Beta. A carrier can't do torps or beam banks because you need to keep your speed up & do lazy circles, use beam fire at will 2 not beam overload because it misses way too much. You need to use an EptS & rsp, or 2 EptS's to keep your shields up. Carriers are support craft in the modern star trek fleet, so learn to be a team player & carry the heals or your team will lose because Joe escort can't keep himself alive. I haven't posted on this board for a very long time because of people who come here "asking advice" then not taking advice from the foremost pvpers in the game. Anyway, sorry to rant but please listen!
So sayeth Raptor Jesus.
i was totally waiting to see this guy in chat looking for a 1v1.
mind you, im such the average dueler.....
and so whens i sees him in opvp...im like...sure!
so me and talon q up.....talon beats his ***.......he doesnt even stick around to fight me.
its so late and im so drunk i prolly would have lost....
just sayin.
have fun kill bad guys!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
woooooooooooooooooo
Must have given him enough data to compute his loss
At this point it becoes an issue of DADT, or at least until recently.
Frankly I don't care the sexual orientation of the soldier next to me as long as they do thier job, nobody quits and we all went home.
Take one's orientation past that so it put my life at risk in the field and then we have a problem.
Otherwise, meh- who cares?
Aggreed. As long as they dont stand up in a fox hole to sing:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGLZqDXau98
Or keep pics of this in bunk:
http://www.holycowboy.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/06rainingmen2.jpg
its all cool
Lulz you so troll you troll!
LMAO- great coffee through the nose.
Thanks.
which skill is the one that u have in the last slot of tray 3?
that, my friend, is the ever OP fireworks conslole.
oh, tsi and pandas cheats :eek: now i finally know the truth
Please tell me why you let your hull drop to 4% in our 1v1 yesterday before I got disconnected?
What Horizon said
Knew your dps was so low - wanted to maximise my go down fighting with alpha strike/DEM2/tac fleet/before i healed myself.
Mainly to give you false data for your maths
Now please, the purpose of this thread is to discuss the build of the Tolerance. If you want to discuss something else perhaps you should start another thread.
That's the best thing Cryptic ever made. I find people use it to seldom. Maybe it's because of all the F2P that will forever be denied the joy of fireworks.
Thing that makes it so Effective on horizons build is the three pyrotechnic doffs he runs to lower his fireworks cd's.
Have fun shoot fireworks!
secrets fallout...i tell you secrets....
Sorry buddy, couldnt keep it to yourself forever. Besides, once something is said to someone, it's no longer a secret ;-)
Therefore once you told me, it was no longer a secret making it impossible for me to tell a secret...wait...what?
Have fun, keep secrets