What are the 'other means' by which the Liberated Borg will be available to players other than LTS?
Why is this part of the (originally limited-time) package deal, an enticing part at that, which was used to help sell lifetime subs, being made available to all? What happened to appreciating LTSers and showing that by giving us a unique race that reflects our large upfront payment and good faith? You're betraying that faith with your constant bait-and-switch tactics.
Why is this part of the (originally limited-time) package deal, an enticing part at that, which was used to help sell lifetime subs, being made available to all? What happened to appreciating LTSers and showing that by giving us a unique race that reflects our large upfront payment and good faith? You're betraying that faith with your constant bait-and-switch tactics.
seriously, stop. lifers pay considerably LESS than subscribers in the long run. both pay but my money is as good as yours. you aren't entitled to any special treatment
and its interesting how people are flipping out about this yet its the same people who were fine with all those preorder and special unlocks from different versions of the game being added to the store
seriously, stop. lifers pay considerably LESS than subscribers in the long run. both pay but my money is as good as yours. you aren't entitled to any special treatment
and its interesting how people are flipping out about this yet its the same people who were fine with all those preorder and special unlocks from different versions of the game being added to the store
The difference is lifers paid upfront. Showing their backing, bringing the extra capital to cryptic to keep improving the game. We gave the large initial investment they needed, for some bright-and-shinies, and the knowledge that, in the long run, it would pay off (as long as the game didn't go belly up). You fence-sitters, er.. monthly subscribers, decided to pay as you go. If the game would've died early, no problem, you're only out $15 or $30. So there is a difference. We've both contributed to this game, but I and some others "invested" in it as well.
Also, how do you figure it's "considerably less"? Assuming a lifer bought their sub during beta for $250.00, that's 16 months of subscription. We're around 20 months now, so that would be a savings of $60.00. Well, I can tell you, I've spent at least twice that in the cstore, so again, we've both contributed to this game.
Will I still have the option to purchase a lifetime subscription after the game goes F2P, or is that going away forever? There was no clarification on this point in the FAQ.
Will I still have the option to purchase a lifetime subscription after the game goes F2P, or is that going away forever? There was no clarification on this point in the FAQ.
I have not seen anything official, and I don't work for cryptic or pw, but lifetime subs are still offered for CO and that's a cryptic game as well.
Will I still have the option to purchase a lifetime subscription after the game goes F2P, or is that going away forever? There was no clarification on this point in the FAQ.
Why in the world would you want one? Offer to buy someones account that already is a LTS. I suspect that there will be a huge number of LTS players wanting to unload them now. Except for access to the foundry, there is little reason to buy a LTS or sub. 400 points as pointed out is only $5.00 U.S. worth of points. Not worth the $15 a month for a sub or the upfront cost of a LTS. And the foundry is a band aid for the lack of content in this game that offers little benefit for completing foundry missions. And now to cover the lack of content (except endgame) for the KDF its now unlocked a lvl 25 instead of fixing the real problem, lack of content, they cover it by cutting the KDF lvls in half almost. :eek: Awesome sauce!!:rolleyes:
What if we already have characters in excess of the the numbers given?
Will the already made characters be "Grandfathered in" when the transition happens?
What are the 'other means' by which the Liberated Borg will be available to players other than LTS?
Why is this part of the (originally limited-time) package deal, an enticing part at that, which was used to help sell lifetime subs, being made available to all? What happened to appreciating LTSers and showing that by giving us a unique race that reflects our large upfront payment and good faith? You're betraying that faith with your constant bait-and-switch tactics.
Not to mention the fact that this would add to the authenticity of the experience. Liberated Borg should be very rare.
I feel a bit jipped that the reasons I pre-ordered the game (to get these cool things like the liberated borg option) is not quite so special and limited time deal. But then again, they already have my money, so what can I do about it?
You are saying that lifers will "loose" the liberated borg. And then you are even claiming that lifers will "loose" all their perks.
In all likelihood this is not the case. The devs have actually stated that any unlocked bonus will be kept by players after F2P goes live. You won't loose ANY of the benefits you have right now.
All you might loose is exclusivity (as in: non-lifers might get a change to get the liberated borg).
That is not the same. Your statement is worded in a way that is misleading and (at least) twisting the truth. To me that's close enough to a lie.
You are saying that lifers will "loose" the liberated borg. And then you are even claiming that lifers will "loose" all their perks.
In all likelihood this is not the case. The devs have actually stated that any unlocked bonus will be kept by players after F2P goes live. You won't loose ANY of the benefits you have right now.
All you might loose is exclusivity (as in: non-lifers might get a change to get the liberated borg).
That is not the same. Your statement is worded in a way that is misleading and (at least) twisting the truth. To me that's close enough to a lie.
"ut most likely we will lose the exclusive liberated borg perk since it will most likely untill they show us officially we will keep the exclusive liberated borg captain race as their thanks for our support with buying life time.
we will lose some of the benefits of life memberships.
and all benefits will end up on c store or on Duty officer system as it looks right now ( combadge liberated borg race)."
LtEliz, stop spreading that lie (and spamming several threads with it).
Lifers don't loose anything. They will keep all their bonuses. It's just that others might get access to them as well.
Lifers may not lose anything but what concerns me is that they don't gain anything subtantial either. At present there is nothing to demonstrate their value or reward their loyalty for spending such a premium for this game, which has ultimately helped lead it to this financially beneficial point for Cryptic.
It's like thank you and bye bye. You've served your purpose. Its all about Silver members now.
Hell, I'm a subscriber (hereafter Gold member) who always considered going 'Life' and what concerns me is that it appears that there is a diminishing (it should be increasing) amount of incentives to go life.
Moreover, I don't really think there is enough to keep me a Gold member, from dropping down to Silver.
If we take the Champions Online Model, which this is based on, at least in that game Gold members have full access to all the character archetypes and can cutomise character archetypes and the adventure packs (those are like premium missions) while the Comic series are free for all players to play.
Adverture packs, some character types and bank slots are all purchasable through the CO C-store for Silver members but free to subscribers.
If Star Trek truly mirrored tht format - and it works irrespective of whether you like the game or not - then th following would likely happen:
What I propose:
Character
Silver Members have access to a limited number of character species: Human, Vulcan, Tellarite, Rigelian and Pakled. And limited access to costume pieces
All other character species are purchasable through the C-store. Fully customisable aliens are only available to Gold members and Life time subscribers.
Gold Members have full access to all available character species and can make customisable aliens. They also have an increased selection of costumes but some (premium) costume pieces still need to be purchased via the C-store
Lifetime Subscribers Have all the same options available to them but all have the exclusive choice of Liberated Bord, Romulan, Reman and Cardassian character species (these are at least already in the game).
Ships
Follow so the same principle as the player character species:
Silver Members have limited access to those already in game.
Gold and Lifetime members have full access to all ship skins so this would include Nomad, Minbus, Comet, Maelstrom, Herphaestus and Imperial. (Yes some of us have paid for them but we need to take a hit somewhere for this to work).
Lower rank ship varients like the Oberth, NX and Rhode Island are available through the C-store. When you make Rear Admiral a Tier 5 refit is offered in game to all players but additional Tier 5 ships (Galaxy X, refits etc) would be purchased via the C-store or via an in-game option.
Missions
All ingame missions are available to players.
Weekly episodes are free for all players.
Adverture packs (or whatever STO will call them hopefully Movie related like 'Feature missions') are free to Gold and Lifetime subscribers. Silver members will have to pay.
Bank Slots, costume slots, energy credits and stipends
I agree with what Cryptic has already proposed when you consider the above.
Lastly I know this is largely Fed centric but I'm not a Klingon player.
About Energy Credit Storage Limit. What is the limit ? We will lost in coversion, if our subscription going to silver ?
Gold
Silver
Energy Credit Storage Limit Unlimited Limited
The same question goes to inventory and bank slots. If full, what is going to happen ?
I will admit it will suck alot if we dont get to keep the borg so only life-time subs get it. It makes me think that they want to TRIBBLE us over royaly...
its like they are saying "haha thanks for the money, and oh yeah we dont care about you life-timers anymore, everyone can get what you got"
and if you do subscribe they you get 400 points..... so what the hell is the reason for us life-timers, what do we get special now?
For what we see on the matrix it seams that for subers it would be just as good as going F2P, and if so isn't that just an insult to the subers and lifers?
If someone had previously had a membership, then left due to lack of Klingon content, but wanted to return after the F2P goes live, do they still retain their old character? Or are they forced to start over and suffer thru 25 lvls instead of 6 lvls of Federation play first?
For what we see on the matrix it seams that for subers it would be just as good as going F2P, and if so isn't that just an insult to the subers and lifers?
When the game goes F2P I will be going silver. Why would I subscribe? To build foundry missions and get vet rewards!? COME ON GUYS! You can work around the other limitations easy and CHEAP. Why pay $15 a month? You would have to be a moron to continue subscribing. I can see foundry authors paying but that's it. It's a total Insult to lifers and subscribes for sure! Change the matrix or loss my money. I'm sure that subscriptions will drop off a cliff if this is not changed when F2P launches.:mad: Well, I will be saving money anyway lol.
Currently I have 5 character slots total. Two basic ones, one unlocked for the Klingon, and two more purchased from the C-Store. But as for characters, I've got only four - three Feds and a Klingon. I've been saving the last slot for a new character once DOFFs and perhaps the new tutorial are up.
But once STO goes F2P and I'm not subscribed, theoretically I should have one slot less than Gold Members. But how will this work, exactly? Will I suddenly lose my fifth slot, even though it should be considered a C-Store purchase? Should I create my new character right now, so that I can convert him into Silver later, or will I be able to leave my current 4 chars locked at Gold, and still be able to create one Silver char regardless?
Currently I have 5 character slots total. Two basic ones, one unlocked for the Klingon, and two more purchased from the C-Store. But as for characters, I've got only four - three Feds and a Klingon. I've been saving the last slot for a new character once DOFFs and perhaps the new tutorial are up.
But once STO goes F2P and I'm not subscribed, theoretically I should have one slot less than Gold Members. But how will this work, exactly? Will I suddenly lose my fifth slot, even though it should be considered a C-Store purchase? Should I create my new character right now, so that I can convert him into Silver later, or will I be able to leave my current 4 chars locked at Gold, and still be able to create one Silver char regardless?
Based on the wording of the FAQ, I would say that any of your current characters over the allotted two slots given to silvers should still be usable since you purchased/unlocked additional slots to convert them. Also based on the FAQ, if you purchased slots, you would keep them, and if you earned the veterens slot you would keep that since you already "unlocked" it. So you have 5 characters. You get two with a silver account, say you bought one and got one through veteran unlock. That gives you 4 total. But because you came on board before F2P, As for your current "fifth" slot, I'm guessing since you already have the slot from buying the game originally, then in theory that slot I would consider "unlocked" and could use your fifth character. I'm guessing new subscribers signing up after F2P goes live will get the limit on the slots, regardless of purchased game. Since Cryptic says they don't delete anything, as long as you keep your same login(and this applies to the guy who asked about a klingon he hadn't played with for while a couple posts ago) you should access all your characters again. You just need the slots to use them. As for any characters on Tribble or Foundry, my guess is they are considered "unlocked", but would be returned to you since silver can't make Foundry missions(no mention about Tribble yet). I'm basing this on the FAQ. But maybe I'm reading into it too much and in reality if you have 5 characters your screwed:D
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Thanks for the reply. I sincerely hope everything will be left as it is now, and I won't lose anything in the transition. But still, these are all speculations.
The way it is now, I've got 3 basic slots and two purchased from the C-Store. I'm still before getting the 300 day Veteran Reward, which includes a slot.
So, hypothetically, if I had all 5 slots filled, there might be a possibility that I would be able only to use 4 characters as Silver, with one unavailable unless resubscribed or purchased additional slots.
But if my subscription ends with 4 characters and 1 empty slot, and I decide to go back to the game as a Silver, would this fifth slot disappear somehow? That's what I'd like to have commented on, because I'm not sure if I should create a new character right now, for further conversion, or I can wait and create it later, even once the game is F2P and I'm not subscribed.
I'm curious because I plan to leave my current characters at Gold, and play as a Silver in the meanwhile, when I don't want to/don't have time to resubscribe for a full month. And I'd like to start a new character once new tutorial and doffs are up.
There seems to be a lot of confusion and jumping to conclusions going on in regards to the perks that were given to Lifetime subscribers. Can we please get a clarification about how these will be handled so that the maybe we can cut back on the forum wars.
Will the perks that lifetime subs currently have be made available through any means to non-lifetime subs?
This includes the badge and the liberated Borg race.
There seems to be a lot of confusion and jumping to conclusions going on in regards to the perks that were given to Lifetime subscribers. Can we please get a clarification about how these will be handled so that the maybe we can cut back on the forum wars.
Will the perks that lifetime subs currently have be made available through any means to non-lifetime subs?
This includes the badge and the liberated Borg race.
you're asking if the lifetime badge will be made available to non-lifers?
you're asking if the lifetime badge will be made available to non-lifers?
There are a lot of people suggesting that the badge and the liberated Borg and other lifetime perks are going to be given away by "alternate means." so in order to hopefully calm some of those people down I'm asking for a clarification on the them.
And yes, I understand how silly the question sounds but apparently there are a lot people concerned about it.
Say i have a full bank and full inv slots with loads of credits and i decide to unsub for a while, do i lose some of these items when the account goes to a silver account due to the limited size of banks and inv space?
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Why is this part of the (originally limited-time) package deal, an enticing part at that, which was used to help sell lifetime subs, being made available to all? What happened to appreciating LTSers and showing that by giving us a unique race that reflects our large upfront payment and good faith? You're betraying that faith with your constant bait-and-switch tactics.
seriously, stop. lifers pay considerably LESS than subscribers in the long run. both pay but my money is as good as yours. you aren't entitled to any special treatment
and its interesting how people are flipping out about this yet its the same people who were fine with all those preorder and special unlocks from different versions of the game being added to the store
The difference is lifers paid upfront. Showing their backing, bringing the extra capital to cryptic to keep improving the game. We gave the large initial investment they needed, for some bright-and-shinies, and the knowledge that, in the long run, it would pay off (as long as the game didn't go belly up). You fence-sitters, er.. monthly subscribers, decided to pay as you go. If the game would've died early, no problem, you're only out $15 or $30. So there is a difference. We've both contributed to this game, but I and some others "invested" in it as well.
Also, how do you figure it's "considerably less"? Assuming a lifer bought their sub during beta for $250.00, that's 16 months of subscription. We're around 20 months now, so that would be a savings of $60.00. Well, I can tell you, I've spent at least twice that in the cstore, so again, we've both contributed to this game.
I have not seen anything official, and I don't work for cryptic or pw, but lifetime subs are still offered for CO and that's a cryptic game as well.
What he said.
And how can one unload a lifetime account now with these paltry benefits to sub...um, "Gold" members.
Why in the world would you want one? Offer to buy someones account that already is a LTS. I suspect that there will be a huge number of LTS players wanting to unload them now. Except for access to the foundry, there is little reason to buy a LTS or sub. 400 points as pointed out is only $5.00 U.S. worth of points. Not worth the $15 a month for a sub or the upfront cost of a LTS. And the foundry is a band aid for the lack of content in this game that offers little benefit for completing foundry missions. And now to cover the lack of content (except endgame) for the KDF its now unlocked a lvl 25 instead of fixing the real problem, lack of content, they cover it by cutting the KDF lvls in half almost. :eek: Awesome sauce!!:rolleyes:
yes i would like to know this too.
Not to mention the fact that this would add to the authenticity of the experience. Liberated Borg should be very rare.
I feel a bit jipped that the reasons I pre-ordered the game (to get these cool things like the liberated borg option) is not quite so special and limited time deal. But then again, they already have my money, so what can I do about it?
Lifers don't loose anything. They will keep all their bonuses. It's just that others might get access to them as well.
its not a lie please learn the meaning of the word before you use it.
and 2nd untill they deny or confirm its the truth or at least lingo balance.
In all likelihood this is not the case. The devs have actually stated that any unlocked bonus will be kept by players after F2P goes live. You won't loose ANY of the benefits you have right now.
All you might loose is exclusivity (as in: non-lifers might get a change to get the liberated borg).
That is not the same. Your statement is worded in a way that is misleading and (at least) twisting the truth. To me that's close enough to a lie.
"ut most likely we will lose the exclusive liberated borg perk since it will most likely untill they show us officially we will keep the exclusive liberated borg captain race as their thanks for our support with buying life time.
we will lose some of the benefits of life memberships.
and all benefits will end up on c store or on Duty officer system as it looks right now ( combadge liberated borg race)."
read again ?
Lifers may not lose anything but what concerns me is that they don't gain anything subtantial either. At present there is nothing to demonstrate their value or reward their loyalty for spending such a premium for this game, which has ultimately helped lead it to this financially beneficial point for Cryptic.
It's like thank you and bye bye. You've served your purpose. Its all about Silver members now.
Hell, I'm a subscriber (hereafter Gold member) who always considered going 'Life' and what concerns me is that it appears that there is a diminishing (it should be increasing) amount of incentives to go life.
Moreover, I don't really think there is enough to keep me a Gold member, from dropping down to Silver.
If we take the Champions Online Model, which this is based on, at least in that game Gold members have full access to all the character archetypes and can cutomise character archetypes and the adventure packs (those are like premium missions) while the Comic series are free for all players to play.
Adverture packs, some character types and bank slots are all purchasable through the CO C-store for Silver members but free to subscribers.
If Star Trek truly mirrored tht format - and it works irrespective of whether you like the game or not - then th following would likely happen:
Lastly I know this is largely Fed centric but I'm not a Klingon player.
Gold
Silver
Energy Credit Storage Limit Unlimited Limited
The same question goes to inventory and bank slots. If full, what is going to happen ?
its like they are saying "haha thanks for the money, and oh yeah we dont care about you life-timers anymore, everyone can get what you got"
and if you do subscribe they you get 400 points..... so what the hell is the reason for us life-timers, what do we get special now?
When the game goes F2P I will be going silver. Why would I subscribe? To build foundry missions and get vet rewards!? COME ON GUYS! You can work around the other limitations easy and CHEAP. Why pay $15 a month? You would have to be a moron to continue subscribing. I can see foundry authors paying but that's it. It's a total Insult to lifers and subscribes for sure! Change the matrix or loss my money. I'm sure that subscriptions will drop off a cliff if this is not changed when F2P launches.:mad: Well, I will be saving money anyway lol.
Currently I have 5 character slots total. Two basic ones, one unlocked for the Klingon, and two more purchased from the C-Store. But as for characters, I've got only four - three Feds and a Klingon. I've been saving the last slot for a new character once DOFFs and perhaps the new tutorial are up.
But once STO goes F2P and I'm not subscribed, theoretically I should have one slot less than Gold Members. But how will this work, exactly? Will I suddenly lose my fifth slot, even though it should be considered a C-Store purchase? Should I create my new character right now, so that I can convert him into Silver later, or will I be able to leave my current 4 chars locked at Gold, and still be able to create one Silver char regardless?
Based on the wording of the FAQ, I would say that any of your current characters over the allotted two slots given to silvers should still be usable since you purchased/unlocked additional slots to convert them. Also based on the FAQ, if you purchased slots, you would keep them, and if you earned the veterens slot you would keep that since you already "unlocked" it. So you have 5 characters. You get two with a silver account, say you bought one and got one through veteran unlock. That gives you 4 total. But because you came on board before F2P, As for your current "fifth" slot, I'm guessing since you already have the slot from buying the game originally, then in theory that slot I would consider "unlocked" and could use your fifth character. I'm guessing new subscribers signing up after F2P goes live will get the limit on the slots, regardless of purchased game. Since Cryptic says they don't delete anything, as long as you keep your same login(and this applies to the guy who asked about a klingon he hadn't played with for while a couple posts ago) you should access all your characters again. You just need the slots to use them. As for any characters on Tribble or Foundry, my guess is they are considered "unlocked", but would be returned to you since silver can't make Foundry missions(no mention about Tribble yet). I'm basing this on the FAQ. But maybe I'm reading into it too much and in reality if you have 5 characters your screwed:D
Thanks for the reply. I sincerely hope everything will be left as it is now, and I won't lose anything in the transition. But still, these are all speculations.
The way it is now, I've got 3 basic slots and two purchased from the C-Store. I'm still before getting the 300 day Veteran Reward, which includes a slot.
So, hypothetically, if I had all 5 slots filled, there might be a possibility that I would be able only to use 4 characters as Silver, with one unavailable unless resubscribed or purchased additional slots.
But if my subscription ends with 4 characters and 1 empty slot, and I decide to go back to the game as a Silver, would this fifth slot disappear somehow? That's what I'd like to have commented on, because I'm not sure if I should create a new character right now, for further conversion, or I can wait and create it later, even once the game is F2P and I'm not subscribed.
I'm curious because I plan to leave my current characters at Gold, and play as a Silver in the meanwhile, when I don't want to/don't have time to resubscribe for a full month. And I'd like to start a new character once new tutorial and doffs are up.
It seems like a stupid question, but seriously, my main horror is the new "clientele" that F2P always brings in.
Hell, I would gladly pay EXTRA than my $15 to not have to play with the free players.
Please. I am so sad this is happening, but this would make me happy
Will the perks that lifetime subs currently have be made available through any means to non-lifetime subs?
This includes the badge and the liberated Borg race.
you're asking if the lifetime badge will be made available to non-lifers?
There are a lot of people suggesting that the badge and the liberated Borg and other lifetime perks are going to be given away by "alternate means." so in order to hopefully calm some of those people down I'm asking for a clarification on the them.
And yes, I understand how silly the question sounds but apparently there are a lot people concerned about it.