Hey now! I like the Nebula exactly as it is in the role it currently occupies.
::glares with possessive protectiveness::
I'm gonna take mine out for a test drive later, I may see how it plays with an engineer in the uni slot for my Fed eng, pending the results, I may allow you to keep it.:D
escept d stahl said it probably wasnt going to happen... lol...
correct me if im wrong, but wasnt it said that this shp wasnt going to be a playable ship at first.. that once its released, it will be like the jupiter class, non playable, but shows up everywhere.... i cant remember, and im too lazy to go looking after spending half the morning looking for other details hahahaha...
well, if this line from the may engineering report is anything to judge by, the new enterprise will be a playable class:
wrote:
[*]Fan Designed Enterprise - New Cruiser Ship Class
And yet, with newer models after the Consitution, Starfleet made remedy of that flaw. Look at the thickness of the neck of the Excelsior, the Ambassador, and the Galaxy. Not to mention the lack of the neck of the Enterprise-E, which was made as a pure warship to counter the Borg.
Oh, the neck is thicker.
But the pylons for the nacelles? They look even thinner.
I don't really think thickness of the necks or or the pylons tell us anything about how tough a ship is in Startrek.
They are, for whatever techno-babble reasons, not weak spots. Otherwise the Klingons wouldn't build their long-necked ships, the D'Deridex wouldn't have its neck and its wings.
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What could use some work are the nacelles. I don't like their look yet.
well, if this line from the may engineering report is anything to judge by, the new enterprise will be a playable class:
Precisely. It'll initially have to be unlocked somehow. But it's meant to be playable.
After all, we keep talking about this new Enterprise, but lest we forget: it's also a completely new line of ship.
yeah, but the contest was to design the next enterprise, not the next playable ship...
and ill look around, but i thought it was stated that the ship wasnt going to be playable.. like i said, im probably and could be wrong.. or i could be half right hahah you never know...
i dont care weather it is or not, i wont fly it, however, it would be cool if it were a new ship, weather i like a ship or not, i do like when i fly through secotr space, and see lots of different ships...
yeah, but the contest was to design the next enterprise, not the next playable ship...
and ill look around, but i thought it was stated that the ship wasnt going to be playable.. like i said, im probably and could be wrong.. or i could be half right hahah you never know...
I can confirm they did in fact say this ship will be playable. Not the Enterprise itself, but this CLASS of ship(which has yet to be named).
The ship will be a reward for completing a special mission which we have not talked about yet, so you'll have to stay tuned as we get closer to its "premier".
Who said "everyone" is going to get one... and who said that the mission to get it will be "easy"? Besides - it also represents a new "class" of ship - there are very few ships in Starfleet that were "one-offs".
oh nagus, you didnt have to, you could tell me that jesus himself called dan stahl and picked the final enterprise f winner, and id believe you. lol... ur probably the most knowledgable person here on the forums, and your guesses are better than most peoples facts...
i really didnt need proof. but thank you in kind...
oh nagus, you didnt have to, you could tell me that jesus himself called dan stahl and picked the final enterprise f winner, and id believe you. lol... ur probably the most knowledgable person here on the forums, and your guesses are better than most peoples facts...
i really didnt need proof. but thank you in kind...
LMAO. Well as a matter of fact Jesus did call Dan and pick the winner. But his last named was Gomez, and you pronounce his first name with an "H" sound
It's funny that many people here don't like the vague sovy essence added into the clay model. Those elements are the only things I like about it.
I've said from the start... it is an interesting design. I doubt I will ever think of it as an Enterprise, but the clay model is a big step in the right direction for me.
I have just read the First Design DIary and do love the look of the ship and the direction it is going in.
My only dislike at the moment is the lack of space between the saucer and the hull; What is the point of having this unique "dual" neck design if their is not going to be some good space between the hull and the saucer.
My thought is if they're going to be as close as the clay model suggests, you may as well stick them together and hey presto, a bigger sovereign. But I don't want a bigger sovereign, I want the winning design, so my suggestion is as above, give us a bit more space between the hull and saucer, it would look great when panning the camera round if we had a clear view through the saucer and hull between the dual neck.
LMAO. Well as a matter of fact Jesus did call Dan and pick the winner. But his last named was Gomez, and you pronounce his first name with an "H" sound
u know what funny, is we have been posting on here for along time now, and i think you and i have crossed paths maybe 2 or 3 times lol....
Dan Stahl mentioned in his last DevPost that the claymodel you see in the design diary is an attempt to straight-convert Ihle's winning entry into a 3d shape with some straightening out and added approximation.
As written on the picture itself, it's 'rough 02'.
Upcoming diaries will no doubt reveal more. For the moment, however, it's unwise to rage about a design that has yet to be refined and finalized.
For my part... I devoutly hope that the ship won't end up with a squarish bridge exterior design like CapnLogan has pushed out on several of his creations (Imperial-class, most Fleet Escorts, Comet-class) and instead goes for the bridge module style used by the Excalibur-class, Dakota-class and Oslo-class; I liked those and it'd be inline with some STO established design aesthetics that'd make the ship most consistent with other same-era vessels in the game.
I too hope the design process goes more toward round saucers. I'm not wild on the slight arrowhead feel of this one. Sovereign design aesthetics would ideally have to go... but I'd loke to see some inspiration taken from the Vesper-class' saucer (I think the general shape is pretty). In fact, if the Enterprise-F can evoke the same long, smooth and graceful lines as the Vesper-class cruiser (one of my personal favorites) I might be fairly happy about it.
I'm eager to see the upcoming iterations as this design gets refined further. I still very badly want to be given a reason to start liking it.
I too hope the design process goes more toward round saucers. I'm not wild on the slight arrowhead feel of this one. Sovereign design aesthetics would ideally have to go... but I'd loke to see some inspiration taken from the Vesper-class' saucer (I think the general shape is pretty). In fact, if the Enterprise-F can evoke the same long, smooth and graceful lines as the Vesper-class cruiser (one of my personal favorites) I might be fairly happy about it.
Isn't the Vesper an even sharper-angled (less round) arrowhead saucer?
I haven't read every single post here, so excuse me if someone already pointed this out.
The original winning sketch was just that... a sketch.
That's one reason why it was chosen. As a design it could be actually worked with, tweak it and change it as necessary without losing the original intent. Something the other more finished design entrys did not permit.
Would Adam have continued to design the final product himself, you bet it would have undergone several more changes in details, proportions, etc...
The new new 3d model is basically the same... a sketch, just digital.
It's the base they will start refining.
They will experiment with the shapes and details until they find the final design in the general idea.
it will still incorporate the basic idea and intent from the first sketch and yet show changes at the same time.
So I won't make the same mistake twice, to assume that the next Enterprise looks 100% like what I just saw. It will take and retain the best aspects of it and turn them into something awesome.
I don't believe they will f*** this up by introducing a Fuglyprise since this ship will pretty much DEFINE the game from it's introduction.
This is STO's contribution to the legacy of the Enterprise.
It may not strictly be canon now, but who says later designers for a possible TV show won't honor the design if turns out an awesome ship.
I personally have no issue with the new design as a stand alone class of cruiser. It is an interesting design and when I first saw it I liked it. But as a new Enterprise I'm sorry I can't get behind it. Its profile view makes me go yes that is an Enterprise. a combination of both of my personal favorite designs the Galaxy and the Sovereign. But when I see the front of it and the two necks it falls flat on its face to me as the next Enterprise, and becomes just another ship class.
I adhere to Gene Roddenberry's original designs as the Enterprise. A saucer, one neck, a stardrive and two warp nacelles that can be seen from the front of the ship. I don't count the NX as an enterprise and neither does cannon or else the original Enterprise form TOS would be the A, (then again it could be argued the NX enterprise was before the UFP and was essentially retired before its inception and the TOS enterprise was the first for the UFP. if you want to get technical.) not to mention it breaks the original design though the re-fit proposed for session 4 of enterprise did make me go yes that is an enterprise. And as for the J I see it not as an enterprise either due to it not having the aforementioned parts and that is why the NX (Akira-prise) and the enterprise J is hated by most of the fans. it deviates from the original design of the originals and it breaks from the legacy of the ship. That is what people are up in arms about, not really the ship design itself for the most part then again that's just from the fans I've talked to when I showed them design but as soon as I told them "that's the Enterprise-F" they all went hell no its the name, not just the design. It doesn't shout enterprise due to the fact it pity much ignored its predecessors design with the two necks. give it one neck and flush the neck out along the stardrive a bit I think people might change there tune a little.
for example take the profile I edited a bit add a third impulse engine since two probably won't give it enough thrust like the D had, and picture it a single neck the design works now as an enterprise in my opinion.
but then again it now looks like a cross between a Galaxy and a Sovereign.
The one thing that would be the "deal-breaker" for me is how they handle saucer separation.
If the saucer separates and leaves two large, ugly struts sticking up out of the Engineering hull then it's an atrocity.
If the saucer can't separate, then that seems more like a step backward.
I'm kind of hoping that it works out that the "necks" stay with the saucer upon separation, along with a bit of connecting hull to form a kind of foil. That would be kind of cool. Anything else seems like it would look silly.
I'm somewhat concerned its gonna end up being too large.
Comparing the silhouettes to the ship size chart, the hull and saucer look about as long as the Star Cruiser's, but slightly fatter. It's going to be a good chunk bigger than the Sovereign, but it's not tipping the scales that much over the Galaxy or Vanguard.
all of those things make a very slow maneuvering starship. Granted saucer seperation might remedy that somewhat, depending on how they do it. I'm of the opinion that the neck pylons should star with the saucer and integrade some warp drive looking components.
ok i just looked at it again, and here is the text...
The Galaxy-class was a Starfleet vessel first introduced in the late 2350s. It was one of the largest and most powerful Federation starship classes of its time, with many serving in the Dominion War.
The Galaxy Class Starship Development Project began in the 2350s at Utopia Planitia Fleet Yards. (TNG: "Booby Trap", "Eye of the Beholder")
Numerous technologies implemented on Galaxy-class starships were tested aboard earlier prototype vessels, including the Oberth-class USS Pegasus in the 2350s. (TNG: "The Pegasus")
Construction of the Nebula-class was spearheaded under the authority of the Yoyodyne Division, and ranged in construction dates from as early as 2363 to as late as 2367. Vessels including USS Phoenix and USS Sutherland were constructed at this time at both the 40 Eridani A Starfleet Construction Yards and later the San Francisco Fleet Yards, orbiting Earth. (TNG: "The Wounded", "Redemption II" dedication plaques)
above selections from memory alpha...
Ah I see that now. In the box on the right with a picture of it, it does still say "active - 2360s", I think the article's a bit broken.
First, the nacelles look too Sovereign like, they look too narrrow in my opinion.
TBH i would prefer if some kind of modernized Galaxy or intrepid Nacelle could be used.
Maybe a slightly longer and wider galaxy Nacelle? (I just had an idea, why not make the Nacelles more Defiant like, integrating them into the hull would look very cool. IMHO)
I always thought that the nacelles are some real big weaknesses on Federation ships, i mean look at the Sovereign Class.
Saucer and hull are extremely well connected, what makes that ship look really sturdy, but the pylons look so fragile and the Nacelles themselves are absurdly huge.
(They could have just painted a big crosshair on it and write below "Please shoot HERE is you want to destroy this Ship", lol.)
Second, the Pylons look much too fragile they should more resemble the neck(s)(maybe as a smaller optical counterpart?).
They don't fit very well to the Hull/Neck/Saucer combination, because they look too fragile.
Maybe making them shorter and a bit lower would look much better and more stable.
Third, i don't like the egg shape of the Saucer very much, it should be much wider (about a third) so that the saucer is wider than the nacelles. Personally i would make it more round shaped and the connnections of the necks don't have to be at the rim.
Fourth, The hull looks much too big, especially from a front view.
Reducing its high and length about 25% would help much IMHO.
Please don't get me wrong, i am not completely against this ship, but it highly depends on how Cryptics designer(s) are going to realize it. Please no silly holes, spikes, edges or armor plates!
(At least give us the option to remove them.)
TBH i like the double neck design, it looks futuristic and new. I am curious to see how it will look in game.
While I have to admit that it still doesn't say 'Enterprise' to me, I think the original designers updated art (here) looks a lot better than where the clay model is heading.
I even like the idea of the 'necks' being a Vulcan style warp-ring that stays with the saucer during separation.
that is incorrect. i just checked on memory alpha so i wouldnt look foolish lol.. (i do sometimes argue first check after and realize i was wrong)...
the galaxy was first produced in the 2350's the first nebula was 2363
You realize memory alpha is not always correct. Since there is no source in the show or the movies that say when the nebula actually went into production.
Looking at my various resources, TNG Tech Manual, and Encyclopedia, it appears that the production of the Galaxy started first followed shortly after by the nebula. However... several nebula calsses were commission befoer the USS Galaxy. This aides starfleet with the Galaxy Class tech and gave them a fully functional test bed for it.
but you do realize it is the highest authority next to actual film on star trek... lol... most information from the game is pulled from memory alpha...
but you are correct, sometimes there are minor mistakes.... however this is not one of them. hehehe.
Ah I see that now. In the box on the right with a picture of it, it does still say "active - 2360s", I think the article's a bit broken.
i would agree, or, it could be that it was built in the 50's and didnt get all the bugs worked out of it till ealry 60's, thus not entering official service till the 60's. that is purely speculation on my part, but one could assume that that is a possability...
ok i just looked at it again, and here is the text...
The Galaxy-class was a Starfleet vessel first introduced in the late 2350s. It was one of the largest and most powerful Federation starship classes of its time, with many serving in the Dominion War.
The Galaxy Class Starship Development Project began in the 2350s at Utopia Planitia Fleet Yards. (TNG: "Booby Trap", "Eye of the Beholder")
Numerous technologies implemented on Galaxy-class starships were tested aboard earlier prototype vessels, including the Oberth-class USS Pegasus in the 2350s. (TNG: "The Pegasus")
Construction of the Nebula-class was spearheaded under the authority of the Yoyodyne Division, and ranged in construction dates from as early as 2363 to as late as 2367. Vessels including USS Phoenix and USS Sutherland were constructed at this time at both the 40 Eridani A Starfleet Construction Yards and later the San Francisco Fleet Yards, orbiting Earth. (TNG: "The Wounded", "Redemption II" dedication plaques)
above selections from memory alpha...
Yoyodyne Division? I assume they were testing an Oscillation Overthruster too?
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I'm gonna take mine out for a test drive later, I may see how it plays with an engineer in the uni slot for my Fed eng, pending the results, I may allow you to keep it.:D
But the pylons for the nacelles? They look even thinner.
I don't really think thickness of the necks or or the pylons tell us anything about how tough a ship is in Startrek.
They are, for whatever techno-babble reasons, not weak spots. Otherwise the Klingons wouldn't build their long-necked ships, the D'Deridex wouldn't have its neck and its wings.
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What could use some work are the nacelles. I don't like their look yet.
Precisely. It'll initially have to be unlocked somehow. But it's meant to be playable.
After all, we keep talking about this new Enterprise, but lest we forget: it's also a completely new line of ship.
and ill look around, but i thought it was stated that the ship wasnt going to be playable.. like i said, im probably and could be wrong.. or i could be half right hahah you never know...
i dont care weather it is or not, i wont fly it, however, it would be cool if it were a new ship, weather i like a ship or not, i do like when i fly through secotr space, and see lots of different ships...
I can confirm they did in fact say this ship will be playable. Not the Enterprise itself, but this CLASS of ship(which has yet to be named).
ok kool. i wont even ask for proof, as it is you nagus. lol...
is it possible that its not going to be available right away.. im just trying to figure out how this idea got locked in my head... haha...
Here is all I know:
http://forums.startrekonline.com/showpost.php?p=3525815&postcount=433
http://forums.startrekonline.com/showpost.php?p=3525852&postcount=443
oh nagus, you didnt have to, you could tell me that jesus himself called dan stahl and picked the final enterprise f winner, and id believe you. lol... ur probably the most knowledgable person here on the forums, and your guesses are better than most peoples facts...
i really didnt need proof. but thank you in kind...
LMAO. Well as a matter of fact Jesus did call Dan and pick the winner. But his last named was Gomez, and you pronounce his first name with an "H" sound
I've said from the start... it is an interesting design. I doubt I will ever think of it as an Enterprise, but the clay model is a big step in the right direction for me.
I have just read the First Design DIary and do love the look of the ship and the direction it is going in.
My only dislike at the moment is the lack of space between the saucer and the hull; What is the point of having this unique "dual" neck design if their is not going to be some good space between the hull and the saucer.
My thought is if they're going to be as close as the clay model suggests, you may as well stick them together and hey presto, a bigger sovereign. But I don't want a bigger sovereign, I want the winning design, so my suggestion is as above, give us a bit more space between the hull and saucer, it would look great when panning the camera round if we had a clear view through the saucer and hull between the dual neck.
Cheers
u know what funny, is we have been posting on here for along time now, and i think you and i have crossed paths maybe 2 or 3 times lol....
well im glad theat "h" jesus is an sto fan lol...
As written on the picture itself, it's 'rough 02'.
Upcoming diaries will no doubt reveal more. For the moment, however, it's unwise to rage about a design that has yet to be refined and finalized.
For my part... I devoutly hope that the ship won't end up with a squarish bridge exterior design like CapnLogan has pushed out on several of his creations (Imperial-class, most Fleet Escorts, Comet-class) and instead goes for the bridge module style used by the Excalibur-class, Dakota-class and Oslo-class; I liked those and it'd be inline with some STO established design aesthetics that'd make the ship most consistent with other same-era vessels in the game.
I too hope the design process goes more toward round saucers. I'm not wild on the slight arrowhead feel of this one. Sovereign design aesthetics would ideally have to go... but I'd loke to see some inspiration taken from the Vesper-class' saucer (I think the general shape is pretty). In fact, if the Enterprise-F can evoke the same long, smooth and graceful lines as the Vesper-class cruiser (one of my personal favorites) I might be fairly happy about it.
I'm eager to see the upcoming iterations as this design gets refined further. I still very badly want to be given a reason to start liking it.
Isn't the Vesper an even sharper-angled (less round) arrowhead saucer?
http://www.startrekonline.com/ships/vesper
http://www.startrekonline.com/ships/excalibur
The original winning sketch was just that... a sketch.
That's one reason why it was chosen. As a design it could be actually worked with, tweak it and change it as necessary without losing the original intent. Something the other more finished design entrys did not permit.
Would Adam have continued to design the final product himself, you bet it would have undergone several more changes in details, proportions, etc...
The new new 3d model is basically the same... a sketch, just digital.
It's the base they will start refining.
They will experiment with the shapes and details until they find the final design in the general idea.
it will still incorporate the basic idea and intent from the first sketch and yet show changes at the same time.
So I won't make the same mistake twice, to assume that the next Enterprise looks 100% like what I just saw. It will take and retain the best aspects of it and turn them into something awesome.
I don't believe they will f*** this up by introducing a Fuglyprise since this ship will pretty much DEFINE the game from it's introduction.
This is STO's contribution to the legacy of the Enterprise.
It may not strictly be canon now, but who says later designers for a possible TV show won't honor the design if turns out an awesome ship.
Dev's please correct me if I'm wrong here.
I adhere to Gene Roddenberry's original designs as the Enterprise. A saucer, one neck, a stardrive and two warp nacelles that can be seen from the front of the ship. I don't count the NX as an enterprise and neither does cannon or else the original Enterprise form TOS would be the A, (then again it could be argued the NX enterprise was before the UFP and was essentially retired before its inception and the TOS enterprise was the first for the UFP. if you want to get technical.) not to mention it breaks the original design though the re-fit proposed for session 4 of enterprise did make me go yes that is an enterprise. And as for the J I see it not as an enterprise either due to it not having the aforementioned parts and that is why the NX (Akira-prise) and the enterprise J is hated by most of the fans. it deviates from the original design of the originals and it breaks from the legacy of the ship. That is what people are up in arms about, not really the ship design itself for the most part then again that's just from the fans I've talked to when I showed them design but as soon as I told them "that's the Enterprise-F" they all went hell no its the name, not just the design. It doesn't shout enterprise due to the fact it pity much ignored its predecessors design with the two necks. give it one neck and flush the neck out along the stardrive a bit I think people might change there tune a little.
for example take the profile I edited a bit add a third impulse engine since two probably won't give it enough thrust like the D had, and picture it a single neck the design works now as an enterprise in my opinion.
but then again it now looks like a cross between a Galaxy and a Sovereign.
If the saucer separates and leaves two large, ugly struts sticking up out of the Engineering hull then it's an atrocity.
If the saucer can't separate, then that seems more like a step backward.
I'm kind of hoping that it works out that the "necks" stay with the saucer upon separation, along with a bit of connecting hull to form a kind of foil. That would be kind of cool. Anything else seems like it would look silly.
Comparing the silhouettes to the ship size chart, the hull and saucer look about as long as the Star Cruiser's, but slightly fatter. It's going to be a good chunk bigger than the Sovereign, but it's not tipping the scales that much over the Galaxy or Vanguard.
Ah I see that now. In the box on the right with a picture of it, it does still say "active - 2360s", I think the article's a bit broken.
First, the nacelles look too Sovereign like, they look too narrrow in my opinion.
TBH i would prefer if some kind of modernized Galaxy or intrepid Nacelle could be used.
Maybe a slightly longer and wider galaxy Nacelle?
(I just had an idea, why not make the Nacelles more Defiant like, integrating them into the hull would look very cool. IMHO)
I always thought that the nacelles are some real big weaknesses on Federation ships, i mean look at the Sovereign Class.
Saucer and hull are extremely well connected, what makes that ship look really sturdy, but the pylons look so fragile and the Nacelles themselves are absurdly huge.
(They could have just painted a big crosshair on it and write below "Please shoot HERE is you want to destroy this Ship", lol.)
Second, the Pylons look much too fragile they should more resemble the neck(s)(maybe as a smaller optical counterpart?).
They don't fit very well to the Hull/Neck/Saucer combination, because they look too fragile.
Maybe making them shorter and a bit lower would look much better and more stable.
Third, i don't like the egg shape of the Saucer very much, it should be much wider (about a third) so that the saucer is wider than the nacelles. Personally i would make it more round shaped and the connnections of the necks don't have to be at the rim.
Fourth, The hull looks much too big, especially from a front view.
Reducing its high and length about 25% would help much IMHO.
Please don't get me wrong, i am not completely against this ship, but it highly depends on how Cryptics designer(s) are going to realize it. Please no silly holes, spikes, edges or armor plates!
(At least give us the option to remove them.)
TBH i like the double neck design, it looks futuristic and new. I am curious to see how it will look in game.
Live long and prosper.
I even like the idea of the 'necks' being a Vulcan style warp-ring that stays with the saucer during separation.
You realize memory alpha is not always correct. Since there is no source in the show or the movies that say when the nebula actually went into production.
Looking at my various resources, TNG Tech Manual, and Encyclopedia, it appears that the production of the Galaxy started first followed shortly after by the nebula. However... several nebula calsses were commission befoer the USS Galaxy. This aides starfleet with the Galaxy Class tech and gave them a fully functional test bed for it.
but you do realize it is the highest authority next to actual film on star trek... lol... most information from the game is pulled from memory alpha...
but you are correct, sometimes there are minor mistakes.... however this is not one of them. hehehe.
i would agree, or, it could be that it was built in the 50's and didnt get all the bugs worked out of it till ealry 60's, thus not entering official service till the 60's. that is purely speculation on my part, but one could assume that that is a possability...
Yoyodyne Division? I assume they were testing an Oscillation Overthruster too?