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(spiffy and terrific)
http://img718.imageshack.us/img718/9994/fullconcept.jpg
as for the saucer, the J's was circular, while the E's was ovoid... the clay model is more round than the E's, and a little less forward, so that's part of the evolution i'm guessing
The clay model they have looks reallly good.
He seems fine with it though, well other than the nacelles:
http://trekbbs.com/showthread.php?p=5003315#post5003315
I'm excited to see it in-game.
I have to say, I liked the concept drawing better than this, and you all know what I think of the concept drawing! *shudders*
Am I the only one who doesn't like this ship?
According to the makers of Star Trek III, and the people who designed the Grissom, the Oberth was intentionally designed to look ridiculous.
The new Enterprise should not share any similarities with a ship with 2 skinny necks holding it together, which was designed to get blown up with one shot by a Klingon Bird of Prey.
Stahl talks about how the new Enterprise is supposed to be this badass ship that could be the Federation flagship while they are at war with everyone on multiple fronts. Yet he then mentions that they went with this design partly because it was reminiscent of the ****ing Oberth class.
The refit Constitution Class is my favourite ship in Star Trek, though I have no complaints with the Enterprise's B through E. But this F, now that I have seen a 3D model of it, I doubt I will ever like.
And it's too bad, there were some very good entries for the "design the next Enterprise contest", but this was not one of them.
No offense, but what designer of a warship would put such obvious vulnerabilities into the design? You can use whatever Treknobable to justify it being safe, but those struts are just asking for hostiles to target it. Just taking out strut and the entire ship is compromised.
This confused me, where is the elements that lead to the J?
The Clay Model:
The saucer looks like it was directly ripped off the Sovereign and just narrowed the bow into more of an angular shape and then widened the saucer's shuttlebay at the rear.
The saucer struts from the front is rather unpleasent how it goes from horribily thick to a thin base. It is not elegant.
And not sure about all the mass of the Secondary Hull. Thought there was some unique twist to it.
For a moment when Ihle posted his new drawings on TrekBBS, I thought I could grow to like this. But this clay model just makes me think otherwise. This is not the Enterprise to me.
Speaking of good entries, can we get Madden's, Calloway's, and Wiexlmans as the fan favorite counterparts to this ship?
As for the sillyness of the Oberth-o-prise, that has been, and always will be my main complaint, and highest reason for my utter shame at seeing this ship in this game. Not only is it unsuited for the time it finds itself in, it's also based around the gimmick of a scout ship with a logical unmanned sensor array being held on by this method.
And yet for 150 or so years the majority of Star Fleet cruisers have had ONE rather thin neck - yet they did okay in combat.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8DqszOZh5U&feature=feedf
And I like this ship look. FINALLY something to replace the Excelsior at the top of the cruiser heap.
Because it's not like any other starfleet ship had a neck, right? Oh, aside from the Constitution, Excelsior, Ambassador, Galaxy, etc. Oh wait, look at that, all those classes had a ship called "Enterprise" too. And let's face it, while we're on vulnerable necks, B'rels and K'tinga/D7s are far worse offenders. As are the Mogai and D'deridex. If anything, the fact it has two necks means it's the least "neck-vulnerable" ship we've seen so far. Star Trek is not known for practical looking starships. If you're that concerned about how practical looking a ship is, might I suggest a Battlestar?
This is true, the Borg are probably the only faction who've made practical ships in all of Star Trek as well.
I just had a D'deridasm.:D
Now, that is a ship I could like.
Also, Oberth-O-prise, good name, I think I'll use that. First the Beeb's gave us the NX-01 Akira-prise, Now Cryptic is trying to push this "Oberth-O-prise" down our throats. What's next? The Daedalus-prise? The Botany Bay-aprise? How about from now on ship designers don't use obvious design features from other crappy Star Trek ships to make a new Enterprise, and make something original but still kind of resembles her predecessors.
Implying we had no choice is incorrect. Every single one of the enterprise designs that made the top 25 (or whatever number) were voted into those select spots by the public. If the Oberth-o-prise is such a travesty, then it is an individual opinion that should not be expanded to a general statement on freedoms and the like.
Except the borg ships were destroyed but thin necked ships, or humanoids that share a thin neck design.....
Sorry I don't.
Agreed, but maybe a "serenity" style of TRIBBLE design? Maybe a big blue police box? Heck we can just all fly the Millennium Falcon.
I'm ok with the current design, after all it just has to fit into a Iconic design style for ships called "Enterprise". Though they are Flagships, they are not warships, and hence their design reflects that. Cruisers.