How can people consider the dual necks of this design "flimsy" and not the neck of the original Constitution? I have always thought the original Enterprise looked like it would fold in on itself. The Connie's neck is too small for the relative size of the saucer section that it supports ... but that is were the SIFs become involved. By comparison, the new design's dual necks are bigger proportionally than the Connie's, and they provide a redundancy that the Connie didn't have have.
That said, I do like the original Connie. However, it was far from being a practical, robust design. The new design seems much better in that regard than the original in my opinion.
I agree, while it's still not as sturdy as I'd design a starship, I think it does look like a tough ship. It manages to look sleek but heavy. In the same way ships like Warspite and Tirpitz were sleek, but HEAVY.:cool:
How can a ship be flimsy? They are in space. Gravity is not going to be shifting the neck around. And I'm sure that they have stronger minerals/alloys to build ships with.
ok so on topic for me. the clay model does look better, and is bringing it to a point that im feeling better about it overall.. the ship looks sexy from the top, from the side, and from an angled back view, however, it looks god, awfull, i mean so bad that i dont like it at all, from the front angle... star trek ships have always been known for being sleek, and having a flow to them... when you look at the dead on front view, the necks make this thing look boxy, bulky, and awkward. the ship looks great from every other angle, it has great lines, great flow, and very sleek.
i dont know, this is just my opinion, i cant be the only one who thinks this ship looks like a brick from the front....
How can a ship be flimsy? They are in space. Gravity is not going to be shifting the neck around. And I'm sure that they have stronger minerals/alloys to build ships with.
Gravity isn't the issue. Shearing forces are though. A single thin neck like the original Connie would have huge problems with maneuvers going side to side.
How can a ship be flimsy? They are in space. Gravity is not going to be shifting the neck around. And I'm sure that they have stronger minerals/alloys to build ships with.
I was thinking more of enemy actions than gravity, as for the engineering aspects of things: If I make a flimsy shape out of alluminium and it falls apart, but try again with titanium and it works, that's great. But if I make a sturdy shape out of the titanium, it'll be even stronger than that.
I was thinking more of enemy actions than gravity, as for the engineering aspects of things: If I make a flimsy shape out of alluminium and it falls apart, but try again with titanium and it works, that's great. But if I make a sturdy shape out of the titanium, it'll be even stronger than that.
Thus ships like the Saber, Defiant, and Sovereign.
Thus ships like the Saber, Defiant, and Sovereign.
and the nova, intrepid, nebula, akira, luna, steamrunner , enterprise j.
they all got rid of the heavy saucer ontop of a neck of anysorts..
that was my biggest arguemnet to this new enterprise... when they released the idea of the contest, they said they wanted something with forward thinking, something between the soveriegn and the ent. j. this ship looks like it went backwards... every ship since the galaxy class has been designed without any neck. even the ent. j does not have a neck. even the cryptic designed ships that are ingame have no neck... this ship (even though im starting to like how it looks with the new clay mesh) is a thumb among fingers in the fleet. in my personal opinion, this ship did not fallow the guidelines of the contest, nor the design flow that starfleet has been using. this is my biggest problem with this ship.. its not weather its ugly or not, you have to look at it from the point of view as do you see starfleet designing a ship like this in 2409... heres my example...
starfleet makes the largest starfleet vessel, the galaxy. several years later, they say, whoa, this ship uses too many resources, and has a few design flaws... ( purely speculative, but is supported by the fact that necks disapear from every starfleet designed ship hence forth). ie, the neck. its a large target, and when compramised, the saucer can collapse right into the stardrive, or worse yet, the deflector dish (we all know from star trek first contact that that could be a big boom lol)...
so starfleet designs the nebula since the galaxy had alot of good things going for it....
several years later, they introduce the fallowing ships, the defiant, the intrepid, the akira, the sabre, the steamrunner, the luna, the sovreign, and the nova.
all of these ships have a few different design notes to themm
1. they all lack a neck. no ship after the galaxy was produced with a neck...
2. they are all smaller, including the sovreign, (while the sovreign is longer, its mass is significantly less than that of a galaxy...
3. all the ships are modular. (with the exception of the sovreign class, all the ships are for the most part smaller, more manuverable, and with the ocasional weapons pod, or deflector pod, eveything is attached to the main hull...
then cryptic designed some 2409 ships, you have the escort (malestrom) the dssv and the starcruiser. all of these ships seem to for the most part fallow the direction starfleet went in after the galaxy. they have no necks, and they are fairly modular.
now, this new federation ship shows up, and not only has 1 neck, but two... it is (from what ive read) gonna be a huge ship, and does not look like it is a step between the sovreign and the j..
When you put your "art" out for the world to see, you better be a big enough boy/girl to take the bad comments as well as the good.
Bad comments are one thing, most what I have read has been hate mail, and some of it borderline slander. So much so, Storm and other GM handed out a ton of infractions and some bannings over it. So those that are open minded are simply reminding all, no excuse for not being mannerly. This is a choice, when we voice out opinions, understand there are consequences for what we say, we are liable for those words.
all i see is hatred for something different and truely evolutionary.
everyone is claiming its weak or its not a true evolution....but mainly because alot of these people were cheering on the ONE design that was nothing more then an updated version of the Connie...funny how people claim they want the next step but support the design that was deevolving...
agreed, while some of the other designs were "Artistically" impressive, it did not meet the cryteria that was outlined by DStahl in the summation.
Understand they are the judges, we got to vote, but the rules stated clearly they would be the judges, and popular vote would ONLY be used if no clear winner was selected. This was not the case.
I still prefer a no neck design because it is more structurally sound, my opinion. I hope they do stream line it. Enterprise-F should still be a battle ship like E is, especially with all the chaos going on in STO universe.
on scaling these 2 close to each other, a Standard Sovereign is about 681 meters long, the F is in at about 730-750 meters in length. Looking at this, that would make those neck Pylons, roughly about 20-25 meters across at their thinest point. Meters, not feet folks. that is roughly about 58-75 feet across, at their thinest point.
True, and as an artist myself I understand that. But you also have to understand there's a difference between it being mixed opinions and just one side being extremely vocal. What if you won and I said "The idiot who designed that should be smacked in the face"? You wouldn't like it yet i've actually read a few comments like that.
Criticism is a great thing, it helps growth when done right, but not if it's the kid in the corner that complains about everything.
well, you simply have to look who is doing the complaining and simply review their history with a simply search and you can see who to take serious, and who simply chronically complains. Use the "Search" feature and the person name to see if they are being reasonable, or if they have a history of "chronic" complaints. Each persons credibility stands on that. Those that I find in research who have this history i simply choose not to reply to them, most dont.
Those that call the names, yeah its just outright slander, plain and simple.
I'll just clarify my position and likely a lot of other peoples too. This is not a dig on the artist, I'm sure he is quite talented. I (We) just don't like his design or that Cryptic chose it over some designs we consider much better.
I will just reiterate what I said previously, when you put your art out for the world to see, you better have a thick enough skin to be able to handle when people don't like it.
Hey thanks for the clarification, however I remind you as well, one thing to not like something, another to slander the artist personally. Most I have read, not from you just for clarification, which has lead to a ton of infractions here and on other boards are more personal. As an artist its one thing for folks to say, I dont like it/hate it, it sucks, etc. Its completely diferent to state "You xxxx", "the artist is a...", "What %#TRIBBLE design this..." etc. those are personal attacks. So pardon some of us as well Condundrum for being a touch sensitive over some of the extreme silliness that those that come to these forums have posted in that form. My apologies over being "sensitive" to that, and Hey, thanks for the clarification. Many can learn from that.
Remember folks, its ok not to like it, and its ok to like the design.
Its NOT ok to forget to be civil and mannerly in our discussions with each other over it.
It IS ok to agree to disagree.
and the nova, intrepid, nebula, akira, luna, steamrunner , enterprise j.
they all got rid of the heavy saucer ontop of a neck of anysorts..
that was my biggest arguemnet to this new enterprise... when they released the idea of the contest, they said they wanted something with forward thinking, something between the soveriegn and the ent. j. this ship looks like it went backwards... every ship since the galaxy class has been designed without any neck. even the ent. j does not have a neck. even the cryptic designed ships that are ingame have no neck... this ship (even though im starting to like how it looks with the new clay mesh) is a thumb among fingers in the fleet. in my personal opinion, this ship did not fallow the guidelines of the contest, nor the design flow that starfleet has been using. this is my biggest problem with this ship.. its not weather its ugly or not, you have to look at it from the point of view as do you see starfleet designing a ship like this in 2409... heres my example...
starfleet makes the largest starfleet vessel, the galaxy. several years later, they say, whoa, this ship uses too many resources, and has a few design flaws... ( purely speculative, but is supported by the fact that necks disapear from every starfleet designed ship hence forth). ie, the neck. its a large target, and when compramised, the saucer can collapse right into the stardrive, or worse yet, the deflector dish (we all know from star trek first contact that that could be a big boom lol)...
so starfleet designs the nebula since the galaxy had alot of good things going for it....
several years later, they introduce the fallowing ships, the defiant, the intrepid, the akira, the sabre, the steamrunner, the luna, the sovreign, and the nova.
all of these ships have a few different design notes to themm
1. they all lack a neck. no ship after the galaxy was produced with a neck...
2. they are all smaller, including the sovreign, (while the sovreign is longer, its mass is significantly less than that of a galaxy...
3. all the ships are modular. (with the exception of the sovreign class, all the ships are for the most part smaller, more manuverable, and with the ocasional weapons pod, or deflector pod, eveything is attached to the main hull...
then cryptic designed some 2409 ships, you have the escort (malestrom) the dssv and the starcruiser. all of these ships seem to for the most part fallow the direction starfleet went in after the galaxy. they have no necks, and they are fairly modular.
now, this new federation ship shows up, and not only has 1 neck, but two... it is (from what ive read) gonna be a huge ship, and does not look like it is a step between the sovreign and the j..
Please keep in mind that the ship is going through an extensive amount of design and that this first dev diary represents the very first stage of development. You'll see over the next several diary entries how the ship design continues to evolve. Even as the ship gets closer to completion, I'm impressed by how we've been able to stay true to the initial design while visualizing all the aspects of the 3d model.
So stay tuned! more details to come...
The only change I would make is give it a stubby plat form neck similar to the Sovereign and have the 3 necks bridge on the top in a large that dips down and is filled by the saucer.
I think you are thinking about it way to hard. Speculating about the design intentions of fictional engineers and fictional ships is just a bit 'obsessive". The star trek universe is filled with designs to please our human sensibilites, to evoke emotions. The Akira looks the way it does because an artist said 'that looks cool" and then went about the justifications. Do you think an engineer sat down and designed any of these ships?
Heck its just as easy to come up with reasons for a design being the way it is and there is against. Honestly the design could of been like the Easter bunny and there could be justification!
So from my point of view the new Enterprise does a fine job of displaying established Federation design asthetics for an "Enterprise" (saucer-check/engineering hull-check/nacelles-check). The rest is all fluff,
Twin necks? looks cool, on the surface appears impractical but then there is transporter tech, maybe this new Enterprise uses site to site transporters instead of turbo lifts? Certainly would save a lot of time getting around. Maybe the twin necks house rapid fire disconnect features? Maybe, just maybe the necks aren't even there at all! They Holographic and the saucer attaches to the engineering hull via force fields!
on scaling these 2 close to each other, a Standard Sovereign is about 681 meters long, the F is in at about 730-750 meters in length. Looking at this, that would make those neck Pylons, roughly about 20-25 meters across at their thinest point. Meters, not feet folks. that is roughly about 58-75 feet across, at their thinest point.
This. If you don't believe us, take a look at my sig. All three profiles are taken, unaltered, from the design sketch. Those neck pylons are each as long as a Connie's saucer.
In fact, there's most of a Connie between the E and J in perms of length alone. This bird is HUGE.
I think you are thinking about it way to hard. Speculating about the design intentions of fictional engineers and fictional ships is just a bit 'obsessive". The star trek universe is filled with designs to please our human sensibilites, to evoke emotions. The Akira looks the way it does because an artist said 'that looks cool" and then went about the justifications. Do you think an engineer sat down and designed any of these ships?
Heck its just as easy to come up with reasons for a design being the way it is and there is against. Honestly the design could of been like the Easter bunny and there could be justification!
So from my point of view the new Enterprise does a fine job of displaying established Federation design asthetics for an "Enterprise" (saucer-check/engineering hull-check/nacelles-check). The rest is all fluff,
Twin necks? looks cool, on the surface appears impractical but then there is transporter tech, maybe this new Enterprise uses site to site transporters instead of turbo lifts? Certainly would save a lot of time getting around. Maybe the twin necks house rapid fire disconnect features? Maybe, just maybe the necks aren't even there at all! They Holographic and the saucer attaches to the engineering hull via force fields!
See its just to easy.
oh yeah i understand how your thinking, but think about it from a person who is maybe roleplaying in the game. and say hes an engineer, he might think about those things, and are you trying to say that its just a coincidence that suddenly every single ship was designed without a neck after the galaxy... the creators of startrek, and the people who usually do ship designs and set designs know that the fan base is usually excessive lol... they do actually think abuot what they are designing.. maybe not from s structural stand point, but they do like to make the franchise look and feel as real as possible. and thus when they go ahead and stop designing ships with necks, they are making a statement... cbs, paramount and other people who have their hands in ths star trek cookie jar love this type of design implimentation. they love that it gets the fans involved like this, and that it shows that people pay attention to the little details...
it is in my opinion, that they made the move of removing the necks from ship design on purpose, . alot of times if you read the notes from the creator of a model that made it onscreen, he will say, the team and i were feeling that the neck, while it looks nice, just doesnt make sense, and that is why we decided to exclude it..
but hey, everyone is entitled to their opinion.. because this is sci fi fantasy, i cant say that im right or wrong as much as i could say your right or wrong lol... its all in the eye of the beholder...
it is in my opinion, that they made the move of removing the necks from ship design on purpose, . alot of times if you read the notes from the creator of a model that made it onscreen, he will say, the team and i were feeling that the neck, while it looks nice, just doesnt make sense, and that is why we decided to exclude it..
You do realize that a couple of different ship designers from the previous series have all chimed in with support for the new ship, right? As in the actual, Trek designers?
The necks could be thick enough to support turbo-shafts.
Or... the entire secondary hull (engine section) could be automated with access restricted.
You have standard warp drive... transwarp drive... and slip-stream drive all as options in the game.
This class has optimal power and support systems for all three drives in the secondary hull... in some ways engineering would resemble a cross between the JJprise engine room and the post TNG engine rooms of Voyager and whatever. Lots of "trek-modern" conduits tanks and misc machinery... and a big honking (horizontal? spherical?) "power core" that feeds the various devices that work in concert with the nacelles to produce propulsive energy. All of this is highly automated because some of the technobabble is less than healthy to fragile squishy humanoid units..
I'm basing my speculation (as I always do) on how "modern" power plants operate. The reactor is in a shielded containment vault that is mostly inaccessible during normal operations. Entering containment is a huge undertaking and requires planning and coordination.
In some ways it is a step backwards in design but Starfleet felt that having all three propulsion systems on an "optimized platform" was worth it. Now they have a vessel that can serve as a flagship for fleet operations with all three propulsion methods operating at maximum efficiency (per current scientific and engineering standards.)
It was decided to use the neck-and-hull arraignment because some of the new optimized drive technologies can be volatile if damaged. Yes the option to eject/vent/jettison stuff is there but there may be situations were it is safer to cut the hull loose and GTFO of town. Starfleet is all about safety after all. Redundant protections on top of redundant protections. (*)
The Enterprise G of course would be totally designed around whatever propulsion method wins out in the end... Lets say Slipstream.
The Enterprise H would be designed for slipstream and whatever emerging technologies are hot at that point.
And so on.
At this juncture in Star Trek History though there are three distinct propulsion methods that are on the table... and the because of the current situation a comprise design had to be fielded.
(*) Exploding Consoles of Doom are a figment of "dramatic storytelling" and would not exist in a "real" Trek universe... except under sufficiently critical situations.
You do realize that a couple of different ship designers from the previous series have all chimed in with support for the new ship, right? As in the actual, Trek designers?
i never said they didnt... its a decent looking ship, it looks like it could be an enterprise with a little tweekying.. i was mearly stating, that when i look at it, i do not see forward thinking... i also think, that if those same designers who supported it, read the guidlines of the contest, read that it said, "we are looking for something between the enterprise e and j" that they probably would have left any semblance of a neckout...
lets get this streight, im not trying to dog the design, it is a pretty good looking ship. all im saying, is when i look at it, i dont see a step forward in design... and im not tyring to argue it away, since cryptic has already made their mind up, and there is no stopping it... this design looks like it should have been the enterprise e, a step between the galaxy and the sovreign, not the sovreign and the j...
You do realize that a couple of different ship designers from the previous series have all chimed in with support for the new ship, right? As in the actual, Trek designers?
The concept and 3d work is turing out just fine. Translation is looking good. Cant wait for the tecture and overlay. Cant wait for the ship specs and design parameters. Not to be a quill but people people people get on board. Its the enterprise F. said and done. It uses starfleet design parameters and for some who can not look beyond what you see. I see MVAM. I see design abilities to launch fighters. I see dual quatum torpedo launchers with a round about photon torpedoe launcher. I see a cruiser that can take on a borg cube even after its sheilds are down.
Despite the mere fact that many of you wish to complain and not see beyond the concept work. I urge you to to think how this ship has all federation features in it in one form or another. Many of you wanted a battle ship well BAM. here it is. once its abilities are drawn up i am sure it will be able to survive the litmus test of previous ships.
you may not like the next generation look, and you may think that the only sexy ships were the constitution refit and the excelsior, but not everything thinks your way
we all have different opinions, and we are being sincere about them (there wouldn't be this much passion about it otherwise)
Exactly. The Excelsior, to me, is probably the ugliest Enterprise. I love the A, C, D and E though. We'll see about the F when it actually rolls out in a finished form.
that is incorrect. i just checked on memory alpha so i wouldnt look foolish lol.. (i do sometimes argue first check after and realize i was wrong)...
the galaxy was first produced in the 2350's the first nebula was 2363
Actualy, it says some of the technology was developed for it in the 2250s aboard the Oberth calss Pegasus. It says "Active 2360s". I always thought it was a shame they made it a science ship, it'd have been cool having it as a skin for the Exploration Cruiser.
Can't remember who else. I'm not so hardcore as to follow the BBS. I saw it linked, thought "Hey, that's cool," then carried on with my life. Generally speaking, if it doesn't relate to the game, I don't pay it much mind, in terms of Trek. It probably makes me a "weak" fan, but, meh, it means I can enjoy what I have without worrying too much about what I once had.
Actualy, it says some of the technology was developed for it in the 2250s aboard the Oberth calss Pegasus. It says "Active 2360s". I always thought it was a shame they made it a science ship, it'd have been cool having it as a skin for the Exploration Cruiser.
agreed, the nebula was the biggest mistake cryptic ever made in this game, imho....
One thing though: the engineering hull is unusually large compared to other Federation designs. I don't mind this, but I do hope they try to come up with an explanation for why the engineering hull is so large. Maybe it has more matter/antimatter chambers for more power? Space for modular components allowing for greater mission flexibility? (e.g. the superstructure on top of the primary/engineering hull on the Nebula class).
Redundant warp cores. Space for slipstream drive components. Larger size due to bulked up structure and armor. Repair drone storage. Heavily armored torpedo storage for torpedo turrets. Living quarters and storage bays for mechanized infantry. Enlarged fighter bays.
escept d stahl said it probably wasnt going to happen... lol...
correct me if im wrong, but wasnt it said that this shp wasnt going to be a playable ship at first.. that once its released, it will be like the jupiter class, non playable, but shows up everywhere.... i cant remember, and im too lazy to go looking after spending half the morning looking for other details hahahaha...
Actualy, it says some of the technology was developed for it in the 2250s aboard the Oberth calss Pegasus. It says "Active 2360s". I always thought it was a shame they made it a science ship, it'd have been cool having it as a skin for the Exploration Cruiser.
ok i just looked at it again, and here is the text...
The Galaxy-class was a Starfleet vessel first introduced in the late 2350s. It was one of the largest and most powerful Federation starship classes of its time, with many serving in the Dominion War.
The Galaxy Class Starship Development Project began in the 2350s at Utopia Planitia Fleet Yards. (TNG: "Booby Trap", "Eye of the Beholder")
Numerous technologies implemented on Galaxy-class starships were tested aboard earlier prototype vessels, including the Oberth-class USS Pegasus in the 2350s. (TNG: "The Pegasus")
Construction of the Nebula-class was spearheaded under the authority of the Yoyodyne Division, and ranged in construction dates from as early as 2363 to as late as 2367. Vessels including USS Phoenix and USS Sutherland were constructed at this time at both the 40 Eridani A Starfleet Construction Yards and later the San Francisco Fleet Yards, orbiting Earth. (TNG: "The Wounded", "Redemption II" dedication plaques)
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I agree, while it's still not as sturdy as I'd design a starship, I think it does look like a tough ship. It manages to look sleek but heavy. In the same way ships like Warspite and Tirpitz were sleek, but HEAVY.:cool:
that made my day lol.....
ok so on topic for me. the clay model does look better, and is bringing it to a point that im feeling better about it overall.. the ship looks sexy from the top, from the side, and from an angled back view, however, it looks god, awfull, i mean so bad that i dont like it at all, from the front angle... star trek ships have always been known for being sleek, and having a flow to them... when you look at the dead on front view, the necks make this thing look boxy, bulky, and awkward. the ship looks great from every other angle, it has great lines, great flow, and very sleek.
i dont know, this is just my opinion, i cant be the only one who thinks this ship looks like a brick from the front....
otherwise, its getting there...
Gravity isn't the issue. Shearing forces are though. A single thin neck like the original Connie would have huge problems with maneuvers going side to side.
I was thinking more of enemy actions than gravity, as for the engineering aspects of things: If I make a flimsy shape out of alluminium and it falls apart, but try again with titanium and it works, that's great. But if I make a sturdy shape out of the titanium, it'll be even stronger than that.
Thus ships like the Saber, Defiant, and Sovereign.
and the nova, intrepid, nebula, akira, luna, steamrunner , enterprise j.
they all got rid of the heavy saucer ontop of a neck of anysorts..
that was my biggest arguemnet to this new enterprise... when they released the idea of the contest, they said they wanted something with forward thinking, something between the soveriegn and the ent. j. this ship looks like it went backwards... every ship since the galaxy class has been designed without any neck. even the ent. j does not have a neck. even the cryptic designed ships that are ingame have no neck... this ship (even though im starting to like how it looks with the new clay mesh) is a thumb among fingers in the fleet. in my personal opinion, this ship did not fallow the guidelines of the contest, nor the design flow that starfleet has been using. this is my biggest problem with this ship.. its not weather its ugly or not, you have to look at it from the point of view as do you see starfleet designing a ship like this in 2409... heres my example...
starfleet makes the largest starfleet vessel, the galaxy. several years later, they say, whoa, this ship uses too many resources, and has a few design flaws... ( purely speculative, but is supported by the fact that necks disapear from every starfleet designed ship hence forth). ie, the neck. its a large target, and when compramised, the saucer can collapse right into the stardrive, or worse yet, the deflector dish (we all know from star trek first contact that that could be a big boom lol)...
so starfleet designs the nebula since the galaxy had alot of good things going for it....
several years later, they introduce the fallowing ships, the defiant, the intrepid, the akira, the sabre, the steamrunner, the luna, the sovreign, and the nova.
all of these ships have a few different design notes to themm
1. they all lack a neck. no ship after the galaxy was produced with a neck...
2. they are all smaller, including the sovreign, (while the sovreign is longer, its mass is significantly less than that of a galaxy...
3. all the ships are modular. (with the exception of the sovreign class, all the ships are for the most part smaller, more manuverable, and with the ocasional weapons pod, or deflector pod, eveything is attached to the main hull...
then cryptic designed some 2409 ships, you have the escort (malestrom) the dssv and the starcruiser. all of these ships seem to for the most part fallow the direction starfleet went in after the galaxy. they have no necks, and they are fairly modular.
now, this new federation ship shows up, and not only has 1 neck, but two... it is (from what ive read) gonna be a huge ship, and does not look like it is a step between the sovreign and the j..
am i the only one who has this thought?
agreed, while some of the other designs were "Artistically" impressive, it did not meet the cryteria that was outlined by DStahl in the summation.
Understand they are the judges, we got to vote, but the rules stated clearly they would be the judges, and popular vote would ONLY be used if no clear winner was selected. This was not the case.
on scaling these 2 close to each other, a Standard Sovereign is about 681 meters long, the F is in at about 730-750 meters in length. Looking at this, that would make those neck Pylons, roughly about 20-25 meters across at their thinest point. Meters, not feet folks. that is roughly about 58-75 feet across, at their thinest point. well, you simply have to look who is doing the complaining and simply review their history with a simply search and you can see who to take serious, and who simply chronically complains. Use the "Search" feature and the person name to see if they are being reasonable, or if they have a history of "chronic" complaints. Each persons credibility stands on that. Those that I find in research who have this history i simply choose not to reply to them, most dont.
Those that call the names, yeah its just outright slander, plain and simple. Hey thanks for the clarification, however I remind you as well, one thing to not like something, another to slander the artist personally. Most I have read, not from you just for clarification, which has lead to a ton of infractions here and on other boards are more personal. As an artist its one thing for folks to say, I dont like it/hate it, it sucks, etc. Its completely diferent to state "You xxxx", "the artist is a...", "What %#TRIBBLE design this..." etc. those are personal attacks. So pardon some of us as well Condundrum for being a touch sensitive over some of the extreme silliness that those that come to these forums have posted in that form. My apologies over being "sensitive" to that, and Hey, thanks for the clarification. Many can learn from that.
Remember folks, its ok not to like it, and its ok to like the design.
Its NOT ok to forget to be civil and mannerly in our discussions with each other over it.
It IS ok to agree to disagree.
The Nebula was in production before the Galaxy.
The only change I would make is give it a stubby plat form neck similar to the Sovereign and have the 3 necks bridge on the top in a large that dips down and is filled by the saucer.
Thank you
Heck its just as easy to come up with reasons for a design being the way it is and there is against. Honestly the design could of been like the Easter bunny and there could be justification!
So from my point of view the new Enterprise does a fine job of displaying established Federation design asthetics for an "Enterprise" (saucer-check/engineering hull-check/nacelles-check). The rest is all fluff,
Twin necks? looks cool, on the surface appears impractical but then there is transporter tech, maybe this new Enterprise uses site to site transporters instead of turbo lifts? Certainly would save a lot of time getting around. Maybe the twin necks house rapid fire disconnect features? Maybe, just maybe the necks aren't even there at all! They Holographic and the saucer attaches to the engineering hull via force fields!
See its just to easy.
that is incorrect. i just checked on memory alpha so i wouldnt look foolish lol.. (i do sometimes argue first check after and realize i was wrong)...
the galaxy was first produced in the 2350's the first nebula was 2363
This. If you don't believe us, take a look at my sig. All three profiles are taken, unaltered, from the design sketch. Those neck pylons are each as long as a Connie's saucer.
In fact, there's most of a Connie between the E and J in perms of length alone. This bird is HUGE.
oh yeah i understand how your thinking, but think about it from a person who is maybe roleplaying in the game. and say hes an engineer, he might think about those things, and are you trying to say that its just a coincidence that suddenly every single ship was designed without a neck after the galaxy... the creators of startrek, and the people who usually do ship designs and set designs know that the fan base is usually excessive lol... they do actually think abuot what they are designing.. maybe not from s structural stand point, but they do like to make the franchise look and feel as real as possible. and thus when they go ahead and stop designing ships with necks, they are making a statement... cbs, paramount and other people who have their hands in ths star trek cookie jar love this type of design implimentation. they love that it gets the fans involved like this, and that it shows that people pay attention to the little details...
it is in my opinion, that they made the move of removing the necks from ship design on purpose, . alot of times if you read the notes from the creator of a model that made it onscreen, he will say, the team and i were feeling that the neck, while it looks nice, just doesnt make sense, and that is why we decided to exclude it..
but hey, everyone is entitled to their opinion.. because this is sci fi fantasy, i cant say that im right or wrong as much as i could say your right or wrong lol... its all in the eye of the beholder...
You do realize that a couple of different ship designers from the previous series have all chimed in with support for the new ship, right? As in the actual, Trek designers?
Or... the entire secondary hull (engine section) could be automated with access restricted.
You have standard warp drive... transwarp drive... and slip-stream drive all as options in the game.
This class has optimal power and support systems for all three drives in the secondary hull... in some ways engineering would resemble a cross between the JJprise engine room and the post TNG engine rooms of Voyager and whatever. Lots of "trek-modern" conduits tanks and misc machinery... and a big honking (horizontal? spherical?) "power core" that feeds the various devices that work in concert with the nacelles to produce propulsive energy. All of this is highly automated because some of the technobabble is less than healthy to fragile squishy humanoid units..
I'm basing my speculation (as I always do) on how "modern" power plants operate. The reactor is in a shielded containment vault that is mostly inaccessible during normal operations. Entering containment is a huge undertaking and requires planning and coordination.
In some ways it is a step backwards in design but Starfleet felt that having all three propulsion systems on an "optimized platform" was worth it. Now they have a vessel that can serve as a flagship for fleet operations with all three propulsion methods operating at maximum efficiency (per current scientific and engineering standards.)
It was decided to use the neck-and-hull arraignment because some of the new optimized drive technologies can be volatile if damaged. Yes the option to eject/vent/jettison stuff is there but there may be situations were it is safer to cut the hull loose and GTFO of town. Starfleet is all about safety after all. Redundant protections on top of redundant protections. (*)
The Enterprise G of course would be totally designed around whatever propulsion method wins out in the end... Lets say Slipstream.
The Enterprise H would be designed for slipstream and whatever emerging technologies are hot at that point.
And so on.
At this juncture in Star Trek History though there are three distinct propulsion methods that are on the table... and the because of the current situation a comprise design had to be fielded.
(*) Exploding Consoles of Doom are a figment of "dramatic storytelling" and would not exist in a "real" Trek universe... except under sufficiently critical situations.
That .pdf is fantastic. Are there other vector cutaways for any other ships?
i never said they didnt... its a decent looking ship, it looks like it could be an enterprise with a little tweekying.. i was mearly stating, that when i look at it, i do not see forward thinking... i also think, that if those same designers who supported it, read the guidlines of the contest, read that it said, "we are looking for something between the enterprise e and j" that they probably would have left any semblance of a neckout...
lets get this streight, im not trying to dog the design, it is a pretty good looking ship. all im saying, is when i look at it, i dont see a step forward in design... and im not tyring to argue it away, since cryptic has already made their mind up, and there is no stopping it... this design looks like it should have been the enterprise e, a step between the galaxy and the sovreign, not the sovreign and the j...
I know 1 did(Probert). Who else?
Despite the mere fact that many of you wish to complain and not see beyond the concept work. I urge you to to think how this ship has all federation features in it in one form or another. Many of you wanted a battle ship well BAM. here it is. once its abilities are drawn up i am sure it will be able to survive the litmus test of previous ships.
Exactly. The Excelsior, to me, is probably the ugliest Enterprise. I love the A, C, D and E though. We'll see about the F when it actually rolls out in a finished form.
It is all subjective.
Actualy, it says some of the technology was developed for it in the 2250s aboard the Oberth calss Pegasus. It says "Active 2360s". I always thought it was a shame they made it a science ship, it'd have been cool having it as a skin for the Exploration Cruiser.
Can't remember who else. I'm not so hardcore as to follow the BBS. I saw it linked, thought "Hey, that's cool," then carried on with my life. Generally speaking, if it doesn't relate to the game, I don't pay it much mind, in terms of Trek. It probably makes me a "weak" fan, but, meh, it means I can enjoy what I have without worrying too much about what I once had.
agreed, the nebula was the biggest mistake cryptic ever made in this game, imho....
Redundant warp cores. Space for slipstream drive components. Larger size due to bulked up structure and armor. Repair drone storage. Heavily armored torpedo storage for torpedo turrets. Living quarters and storage bays for mechanized infantry. Enlarged fighter bays.
Whee....that's fun.
Hey now! I like the Nebula exactly as it is in the role it currently occupies.
::glares with possessive protectiveness::
escept d stahl said it probably wasnt going to happen... lol...
correct me if im wrong, but wasnt it said that this shp wasnt going to be a playable ship at first.. that once its released, it will be like the jupiter class, non playable, but shows up everywhere.... i cant remember, and im too lazy to go looking after spending half the morning looking for other details hahahaha...
But dang, ship's starting to look nice.
ok i just looked at it again, and here is the text...
The Galaxy-class was a Starfleet vessel first introduced in the late 2350s. It was one of the largest and most powerful Federation starship classes of its time, with many serving in the Dominion War.
The Galaxy Class Starship Development Project began in the 2350s at Utopia Planitia Fleet Yards. (TNG: "Booby Trap", "Eye of the Beholder")
Numerous technologies implemented on Galaxy-class starships were tested aboard earlier prototype vessels, including the Oberth-class USS Pegasus in the 2350s. (TNG: "The Pegasus")
Construction of the Nebula-class was spearheaded under the authority of the Yoyodyne Division, and ranged in construction dates from as early as 2363 to as late as 2367. Vessels including USS Phoenix and USS Sutherland were constructed at this time at both the 40 Eridani A Starfleet Construction Yards and later the San Francisco Fleet Yards, orbiting Earth. (TNG: "The Wounded", "Redemption II" dedication plaques)
above selections from memory alpha...