TW=Stop with the politics

New topic: Crimson's incapability to grasp the concept of "Vollbeschaeftigung" (no idea what it is in english) and how NOT bidding anywhere (especially with two free lands on their doorstep) is only shooting themselves in the foot.


Afraid to die and lose in a friggin' game, swear to god....

Eoria - Harshlands wrote: »

I have tried pronouncing this like five times now and I think I have mangled it every time.

"fole bey-sheft-ee-goong"

Eoria - Harshlands wrote: »

I have tried pronouncing this like five times now and I think I have mangled it every time.

http://www.dict.cc/?s=vollbesch%C3%A4ftigung

click on the speaker behind the german word, even tho its a stupid computervoice - i should read and upload it for you :c
or longknife does it in his next tw video

Longknife - Harshlands wrote: »

"I'm going to post from an alt account in a blatant desire to hide my identity and not be truthful about who I am in the interest of taking no risk and not potentially being hurt by my own opinions and claims, then I'm going to rant about people utilizing politics, something Webster's dictionary defines as (amongst other things) 'political activities characterized by artful and often dishonest practices.'"


Also:



Dark is effectively in the process of claiming the title of number 2 guild on the server by fighting a guild with years more experience and arguably better gear, and you're calling it's wars "easymode."

What's hard mode? Beating Infamous and Crimson in a stack simultaneously? Or is that just average-mode? Should we TW without ventrilo, too? Is it a sin that Dark didn't win once versus Crimson before deciding "WELL THAT'S DONE, LET'S IMMEDIATELY TRY FOR INFAMOUS EVEN THOUGH THERE'S CLEARLY STILL MUCH TO LEARN AND IMPROVE ON?" The fact you include Dark in your rant just seems to make your entire complaint completely unrealistic and ridiculous, as there's literally not one faction you're happy with, even if it's a faction that's charging into uncertain battles where defeat is highly likely.

You're complaining about people not taking risks and claiming easy-mode wars, yet you're quick to criticize the guild that's truly fighting a battle it wasn't sure it could win, solely on the grounds that it's no longer anywhere near as much of a struggle as it once was. FFS in your OWN WORDS you claim Dark is "poking sticks in both factions eyes," and then you wanna claim Dark is avoiding tough wars and going for easy mode ones? That makes no effing sense; you just said we're basically blatantly provoking them, but we're fighting easymode wars?

Or hell, you want people to NOT fight easymode wars and fight real ones, then you're hear CRITICIZING DARK for bragging "check it out, we have real wars."


Also, hell ****ing yes Dark is gonna brag. Crimson is years old, Dark is one year old. It's the youngest major faction on the map and it's learning exceedingly quick and out-pacing several factions that have years of experience ahead of it. Don't like it? ****ing beat us then. Not two months ago people were laughing at the thought of Dark being self-sufficient (you can find it on these very forums, hell I'll find it myself if you want), and now that Dark is, it's laughing back. And laughing even harder. That's how it works. You don't like it? Strike back.
If you want to believe that Crimson was truly hindered by BankaiGOD, a guild that both myself and Sint have claimed to have solo'ed their cata squad before (and this at a time when one of Dark's current catas was in their guild), then I dunno what to tell you. Apparently Sint and I are each the equivalent of 30 Crimson. If Bankai truly is the cause for their loss, so you or they believe, attack us. Bankai can't help us when we're attacked, now can they? And if Bankai truly is the cause for their loss, dear lord that's nothing to brag about or use as a valid excuse; claiming BankaiGod tripped you up would be on par with saying "we're dumb as hell and thought we needed like half our guild for them." That'd be like if Dark got stacked by WASP and Infamous and sent 40 to WASP, then tried to b**** at Infamous for relying on a stack; hell no, our fault for being dumb enough not to size up opponents properly. And for the record, no, Dark didn't ask Bankai to stack. (Or Infamous)



I know the above will seem bias as hell since duh, I'm in Dark, but seriously, Dark is doing the opposite to a lot of the stuff you're complaining about, so it seems to just invalidate your entire post and opinion when not even the BEST CASE scenario on the server is anywhere close to pleasing your unrealistic vision of how things should be.

Want a less-bias-seeming point? Sint's point about Mayhem. You seem to be suggesting Mayhem bid Crimson aswell (which ironically, would cause Dark and Infamous to be having "easiermode" wars, which you would then b**** about....), which is basically asking Mayhem to go jump off a cliff into a vat of acid, and yet you have the attitude of "How DARE Mayhem not do this!?!" Of all times for Evangelos to cut the umbilical cord, this is potentially the worst possible moment for him to do it, cause it's just a free excuse for Crimson to bid them and take Mayhem's only season of actual profit. Unrealistic. As. F***.





Be fair, Bankai has shown a capacity to learn, they just have a terribad guild roster for TW and they're still horrendously inexperienced. And no, be real: Dark has offered to merge with Kylin in the past and I think Infamous has as well: you guys are hell-bent on dragging that old name through the mud, propping it up and moving it's mouth to pretend that old guild and that old legacy is alive instead of simply adopting a new name and starting something new. In my own experience, Kylin won't merge EVER simply on the grounds that Kylin auto-demands anyone that wishes to merge with it merge INTO Kylin and not vice-versa, all for a ****ing name that's lost it's meaning at this point and not because there's actually any objective benefit or gain in doing so; understandably, a lot of people with up-and-coming names aren't exactly thrilled about throwing away their legacy that THEY built just to go serve some stupid name that's overstayed it's welcome and doesn't deserve the credit for their work.

And fun fact: of the 80 Darks you can expect to fight in a TW, about 10-15 of those are Brazilian and actually speak very limited english. We have three translators or relay all orders to them, and it works out pretty well. Obviously we're kinda boned if we lose all three translators, but that's lulzy too. CJr once had a cata barb who didn't speak ANY english whatsoever; we just kinda let him grab a cata and hopefully follow along, and it both worked and was hilarious as hell.


As for Deicide and CJr? Dunno why he even listed them since Deicide seems legit dead and CJr is specifically for fun and often disappears mid-season (when small wars stop occuring and thus no fun prospect), with no desire to expand or gain power beyond what's neccesary to continue encountering fun wars. CJr and Kylin themselves have fought and had fun wars; only thing a merge would do is possibly kill Mayhem, but it makes little difference in the grand scheme of things, since it'd mean we'd then have "another mayhem" to crowd out the smaller guilds.



Only thing OP got right is that small guilds are stubborn as hell about merging. Waaaaay back when CJr actually had decent land count, I offered to merge with IMPERIA and they (understandably) declined on the grounds of the language barrier. Still, fast forward to now? Both CJr and IMPERIA are now in Dark, and obviously we're working well together. Alongside that I offered Deicide and some others, and everyone ALWAYS wanted us to merge to them, never the reverse, and back then Deicide had a horrendous map position (next to Mayhem, completely trapped and on Crimson's doorstep even if they succeeded) while CJr had a good one (a merge would've meant CJr controlled that entire corner, the closest guild being Catalyst, who wasn't gonna touch us).

HOW DO U KNOW FOR SURE INFAMOUS DIDNT ASK BANKAIGOD FOR A STACK (im not stating they did i dont really belive Syntheros whould have att crimson if asked he just does what he wants coz this game its just a game ) IF U ARE A DARK MEMBER IM JUST ASKING IS THIS COZ DARK AND INFAMOUS ARE INDEED RUN BY THE SAME GROUP OF PPL OUR JUST COZ THEY TOLD U THEY DIDNT? AND U BELIEVE THENM WHIT ALL UR HEART?





Its just a game have some fun and lets go play ARAM lol

Dark and Infamous are not run by the "same ppl" where do you guys get your information from lol..that's like saying crimson and mayhem are run by the same ppl. The fact that a lot of dark leadership was in guild with a lot of infamous leadership does not mean both guilds are run by the same ppl. If we were the same thing we wouldn't need two different guilds, there are differences between both leaderships hence were in two separate guilds? Dark and infamous want crimson off the map, that's the major thing we have in common, will we fight each other in the future? Most likely...do we care that we have to fight each other? Not really . Does crimson care? Seems so.



Before you or anybody goes posting information or pointing fingers on these pixelated ego forums you should probably have some evidence or some information that is not fictional. Whatever longknife posts here is not something dark sits and discusses...I don't have time to debate pwi. From what I understand from recent members who have abandoned crimson, it needs a serious leadership overhaul...if crimson wants to take it as me trash talking which will most likely happen? I don't care. If you build from and it and fix whatever problems you guys are having, grats. We look forward to the fun on weekends.

Longknife - Harshlands wrote: »

Shutup Jekel, everyone knows it's you.

I'm Barbapapa.
sparklecat is Eoria (yknow cuz they both have way too many alts)
BOOOYAH is Akira_Green
makya is -insert Infamous alcoholic here-
Alastar is Shootnblanks
Almighty BR heuheu leader Carcarius is Curses
hunterbojan is JoeBlack


And so on...
I mean it's so obvious.

Wow and once again you forget me...

*Leaving Dark for Infamous*

Wait, isn't it the same thing?

Longknife - Harshlands wrote: »

Alastar is Shootnblanks

hdu, Alastar is obviously Eccy.

Shootn would be whoever lags out like a boss every five minutes because they need to adjust the antenna on their tent.

Longknife - Harshlands wrote: »

Shutup Jekel, everyone knows it's you.

I'm Barbapapa.
sparklecat is Eoria (yknow cuz they both have way too many alts)
BOOOYAH is Akira_Green
makya is -insert Infamous alcoholic here-
Alastar is Shootnblanks
Almighty BR heuheu leader Carcarius is Curses
hunterbojan is JoeBlack


And so on...
I mean it's so obvious.

b:shutup I don't have way too many alts. Just like 1-3 of each class b:surrender

Longknife - Harshlands wrote: »

(Dark killed Infa's alt guild).

in my opinion still the most pathetic "payback" 2k13.
"wow you guys ***** we steeel yo moni!"

Adalgiso - Harshlands wrote: »

No Manii they are not run by same people anymore I suppose. However in past, leaderships made decisions together, even one could say Infamous dictated what Dark does what lands bids, who goes where etc... I assume many of you are sensitive to this, and are going to deny it as best to your ability, but facts are facts so lets not kid ourselves. Good job to Dark now tho. Good job on raising your quality as guild, your TW tactic, TW attendance... etc, hope you keep it up.

I find it hilarious that you all want to pretend to know how things went down when the only three that know are me, Jekel and Mani. FFS you're even claiming "facts are facts" when your entire argument is pure speculation.
And pure food for thought here: let's say, hypothetically, that Dark DID follow every "command" Jekel gave us with a "yes master, sure master..." Purely hypothetical, I promise you, but let's pretend that were the case for the moment....

Who the **** are you to judge? Hell, nevermind the blatant hypocrisy from the guild that made a career out of being the #1 stack b****, I'm talking "who are you to judge when you've never accomplished f***-all?" As I said earlier, the ends justifies the means in gameplay. Whether Crimson survives via numbers, gear, shady politics, map positioning....it does not matter. If Crimson survives, it means their tactics are successful and therefore effective and worth doing. If it dies, it means it's plans, strategy and tactics were ineffective and need to be changed. I cannot for the life of me understand what the **** gives you the right to judge ANY of the stuff Dark did (or any major faction for that matter), seeing as Dark is now effectively the 2nd place faction after just two active TW seasons; Mayhem's sat on it's *** doing the same exact thing each season and failing for ages now.
My point is this is exactly why I criticize Mayhem so much. You guys are idealists in a world (a game) where idealism isn't neccesary. The game is clear-cut: you play to win and through the competition of attempting to win, we all should end up having fun. There is no goals aside from winning and fun, no honor code or other such BS to maintain. You sit and judge others and say they're "evil" or "slimy players" or what-have-you, and then you guys always remain the butt of the joke because you absolutely 100% refuse to adapt, learn from your enemies, adopt new tactics or anything. You do weird **** like repeatedly show up to a Monday event at a spot where I've made it abundantly clear I'm KOSing all Mayhem that come there (been like 5 weeks now that ~3+ of your guys die, get no points, then cry and act surprised), you deny an incredibly lucrative offer from the only two factions that are a threat to you on the grounds that "you guys r EVUL and can't be trusted!!11!!" (yeah cuz you can totally trust Crimson...), you refuse to leave a Zulu war where Zulu's pure entertainment factor is spawn camping you guys and seeing how long it takes before you tards decide it'd be smart to leave and stop ticking your charms whereas you guys seem to have the message of "we'll show them that no one can keep Mayhem down111!!!" as 40,000 arrows pierce your skulls, and you all continue to follow a questionable leader who, to my understanding, took an instance where we PKed in Morai and I freaking WORLD chatted about it (hard not to, dude IGed himself and then called me a pansy for using AD; apparently ADing on a Psy when in range of a +12 BM and archer is pure cowardice, but IGing when in range of a +11 Psy (he'll claim Yuyi and Mani were in range, they weren't but ok clearly he thought they were) is simply playing smart. Pro logic right there), yet he had the audacity to tell some of his own members he not only won that fight (pro-tip: he didn't), but that he oneshot me multiple times. (I don't think he even DAMAGED me, as I recall...) And THEN your members sit here and regularly call me a liar despite all this information I regularly and so generously provide you guys with. (see below) It's a guild so devoid of logic and built upon ridiculous honor codes that Mayhem pulled out of it's *** that no other guild follows, so it's no wonder Mayhem has never accomplished ANYTHING when their response to a loss is basically the jist of "it's k guys, we played more HONORABLE so we win!!" Mayhem's incapable of seeing the world around them beyond Mayhem, and thus they play by rules and restrictions that don't even apply, crippling themselves. They play with an attitude that seems overly focused on being the "good guys." TF are the good guys in a GAME? The guys who let the other teams win so they feel good about themselves? Oh yeah, you guys are definitely the good guys then. Good job.
In short, kindly reserve your judgements, hypothetical situations or no, until you're in a position to judge. Because as it is now? To be honest if I hear Mayhem saying "you guys did something WRONG!!!" it makes me think those guys must be doing something right, so now I sit here contemplating what could've happened had we actually listened to and obeyed Jekel like you claim we did.

I can only hope this season has been somewhat of a wakeup call for Mayhem, and that all the money under your noses will make you think "hey, having profit is KINDA NAIS," thus motivating you guys to try something new and different next season, not follow your same old plans that always get you killed. We'll see though, and we'll see how much patience Crimson has for playing human shield for you instead, given that Crimson can STILL slaughter you guys....



But that's all based on a hypothetical.

Here's some food for thought: You know when Jekel approached Evangelos offering that Dark and Infamous would leave Mayhem be and remain completely neutral to it, should Mayhem simply avoid bidding either as we fought Crimson? My idea, my suggestion. Another part of that deal that never came to light because of how quickly Evangelos shot it down was that I'd retire CJr early for the season, thus allowing you to take it's lands (was near you guys) without any resistance or reprocussions. Jekel did it in my place both because I believe it was Infamous that bordered Mayhem at the time so they were in a better position to say "look, we can stop" and I knew if I did it, it'd go nowhere since you guys hate me. CHECK DAT OUT, DA GUY YOU HATE TRIED TO WORK OUT A DEAL FOR YOU!!! And he did it all without needing Jekel's guidance! WOWOWOWOWOWOWOW!!!!!!

Want some more food for thought? Jekel wanted Dark bidding where CJr had bid when the season started. We were to bid down in close proximity to Crimson while Infamous shielded Catalyst and got everything on the northern half of the map. We were literally sent a map showing Infamous taking a line from Lost to Arch and everything north of it (half of them via Catalyst). Both Mani and myself found that to be an absolutely suicidal idea, because we know how Crimson thinks and we knew that Crimson would do NOTHING but come straight for Dark, as Crimson is quite pathetic when it comes to actually bidding on people who can beat them (FFS look at bids now, they don't even bother bidding Dark or Infamous anymore) but very quick to labeling enemies they CAN beat as the biggest threat ever that needs to be taken out IMMEDIATELY. The result would be Dark playing human shield in the southern half of the map while Infamous sits on free ****ing coin. A plan that, had we followed, would've forever damned Dark (and Mayhem, indirectly, because we'd've taken your spot and I'm sure Infamous would be quite gung-ho about killing you guys off if you attempted to take Catalyst). It was an admittedly incredibly self-interested plan by Infamous, but to their credit, they were still good allies when we turned the plan around and forced them to the front lines in our stead.

But Dark actually shares it's coin. People actually get geared up. Knowing this, buying time for Dark was wise. We bid where we did cause we wanted Infamous playing human shield for us, not Catalyst, so as to buy time. Not to say we wanted Infamous taking all the **** while we do f***-all, (offering your allies alliances that don't benefit them is a good way to lose allies, unless you offer it to Mayhem who's too **** to know the difference), but we did want them positioned in a way that forced Crimson to fight them first, not avoid them altogether and go for easy wins.
And look, our logic was justified. Sure enough, Crimson made a multitude of attempts to reach Dark and bid Dark instead. Sure enough, the moment Crimson started losing to Infamous ~2 months ago, they switched to bidding Dark, despite the fact that Dark was still bidding Catalyst. Had we listened to Jekel's suggestion, we'd be dead right now. Crimson would've come for us ASAP, taken all our lands and obliterated our income, leaving us without the means to gear our members up. We know that, we're not stupid, and thus no, there was never a relationship standard that involved Jekel basically ordering us around and telling us what to do as we agreed to every word he said.


I'm sure Jekel can validate both of my above statements as true, cause he both thought the Mayhem offer was a stupid idea that wouldn't work (admittedly, we all did, but I felt it was worth a shot since we had nothing to lose and the offer was so outrageously beneficial to Mayhem that surely even they could see the wisdom in it (lolololololl)) and was quite (understandably) upset with Dark's choice in map positioning. It's been a bumpy season for sure, but hey, this is finally the season where Crimson's been left to fend for itself without allies, and look what's happening. It's been a fun experiment to see how it works out when the map is too crowded for Crimson to go anywhere but through Dark/Infamous...

Bella, Kylin was suppose to stack Infamous. I actually spoke to Hoby and his director, can't remember his name some BM, (was at the time), on ventrilo.... Oh dear God, that guy can lie, full of it seriously.

You've got a very odd impression of a guy who's more naive than dishonest. You also seem incapable of realizing that people do not deal in absolutes and do infact change their minds. I know hoby and I think I know the timeframe you're talking about. He changed his mind and you're incredibly mistaken if you think he's dishonest. You wanna know a dishonest leader? Perhaps I'll show you evidence of one, in time.

Longknife - Harshlands wrote: »

Alastar is Shootnblanks

I feel like I won the secret identity lottery. Although if whoever is Shootn has to have mass dcs and ****-tastic lag, then sparklecat is clearly Shootn. We had to change our NW spot to Morai cause sparkle dced every freaking time in Lost.

tbh, rule about alts should just be abolished at this point. **** doesn't hurt anyone and it wasn't until this season that people started giving a **** to mass report for it for whatever ******n reason (lbr though, we all know the reason why). Seriously.

Change the TW land rewards back to mirages. Then no one will give a rats *** about TW. Problem solved.

lol... Dont think mayhem has ever stopped our first push, probably just slowed it down cuz the out of the 30 something ppl we get for mayhem ( cuz its a joke) 1 squad from offense had to go help defense, so probably just slowed the win down, thus making u guys last a whopping 15 MINUTES!