Disable hypers in frost, yes, no or LV restricted?

Narcillatrix - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I just don't understand how some people are so obsessed with power leveling by FC, I get that if you already have one or several 100+ toons and don't want to go through the leveling process again but, isn't it more fun to actually play the game? Being able to see and experience it all again through the eyes of another class? And actually learning it? Especially now that it is so much easier to level at low-mid levels with all the changes.

Eoria - Harshlands wrote: »

We're a pretty unique version of the game all things considered anyway so why the hell not.

Eoria - Harshlands wrote: »

We don't get new players. This game is kinda old by now. Not like -removed- or -removed- old, but you get the idea. They're better off trying to keep older players that will inevitably make tons of alts to do whatever with.

Eoria - Harshlands wrote: »

The culti dungeons will always be run so you can take 59/69/79/89 off of that list. Can make 19/29/39/51 be run just by fixing the culti quests to include them. The fix to GV being run Alpha - Gamma would be to simply increase the rewards for doing it. Same for Cube below 96 or whenever it is you can start getting cogs and library pages. As for Heaven/Hell, people still go there to farm herbs and now we have the veno/barb new form quests in there. OHT is still populated by people doing culti or the daily quest for tears as it was intended.

Eoria - Harshlands wrote: »

And lastly we come to the world map...now if more quests were like the Goshiki quest line that had a decent storyline with good exp+rewards and less "go kill 80 mobs then go kill 80 more mobs for 50k exp and cookie" I could maybe see the argument, but as it stands, there's very little of worth on the main map past a certain point. I did go back and do some of the newer updated quests when I decided to see what the fuss was about and they were definitely nice. I'd run them if it was my first character or an alt I just started (in fact, I did run all the EG quests between both my male and female mystics when I made them), but I'm not going to run them three or four times over for new alts on my account unless the rewards are really good like the Goshiki quest.

Eoria - Harshlands wrote: »

There's also the problem that the new updated quests stop completely at like level 80. Okay. So what do I do from 80-100? I'll have exhausted all the new good quests until I hit 95 in Morai and that'll only take me up to 96 or 97. I can run PV if I can get a squad or run BH by logging an alt, but that just ends up tiresome for not as much potential exp or not worth the tele cost in PV's case. Cube is kinda annoying to run at that level still and Tournament is only once a week. So what do I do?

Eoria - Harshlands wrote: »

Myself and quite a few other people actually still run wq for exp to get to 105. It's not dead, it's just boring and something I do while I basically have to afk for three hours.

Eoria - Harshlands wrote: »

Uhh...have you tried explaining to these people how to do things? I mean, it sucks having to explain things a lot, but it's how everyone learns. Or just kick them out of squad if they're such a hassle? Or just leave. It's not the end of the ****ing world.

Eoria - Harshlands wrote: »

This is more a problem of the game in general than just FC and you would have to change the game pretty radically at this point to fix it. To the point of there being basically no PVE farming/leveling instances whatsoever.

I_sage_i - Harshlands wrote: »

i feel like all the people who voted to disable hypers in frost and have a lv restriction are all 100+ have all gotten what they wanted and dont want to compete with anyone eisle. i vote no! keep it back to the way it was so all levels have the same EQUAL chance. you people are so selfish

SylenThunder - Sanctuary wrote: »

You're welcome. And I can state it accurately as near fact because I've leveled a 101, a 98, a 97, a 92, an 80, two 74's, a 70, and about 15 others in the 60's. That's the toons I didn't cheat on. If I really want to create a character and level it fast, I'll start Friday night, and by Monday morning I'll be level 70 AND fully geared by farming it. Not by purchasing it or passing things down, and not by using any hypers at all, much less FCC. And I'll have actually gotten regular sleep as well.

Truly, there is no need for a character to hyper in FCC until 100.

Arwia - Momaganon wrote: »

To tell you the truth, fc is still worth doing at lvl100, maybe 101.... but when you get to 100, pv is way better. So bann 100+ players from fc, cause pv is better xD

Maelael - Heavens Tear wrote: »

*head*beat*table*

Hi. I'm Blunt. Pleased to meet you.

My point was your post was full of spin instead of unbiased fact, let alone conciseness. I intentionally replied in a spinning way to make my point. Do not pass go, do not collect $200.

Maelael - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I've experienced the same with my flist outleveling me, and outleveling my flist (I kinda fell in the middle). I just made more friends, and grouped with them again when I caught up. I feel for ya. I could even get behind reducing the exp in FF a bit.

But I can say the outleveling or being outleveled by your Flist predated the FF change. I remember that well. It made me push to level faster, and made me run out to help good friends level.

Maelael - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I'm with you on this. As from what I've experienced on multiple toons, multiple times, and have not found a replacement for elsewhere prior to 100, FF is the best we've got. And tbh, the game changes so much due to gear and skills 80+ and then again at 89/92/99+, it's kinda like the pre-80s are kinda a wash.

I *do* miss the time of having to go out and kill quest related bosses in the world map for newbies, it was fun as hell. I still go WAY outta my way when I catch people looking for help on those just to relive the nostalgia.

Maelael - Heavens Tear wrote: »

HT is a fickle [BLEEP that by definition sells itself for money], and it seems some servers are better off. But I totally agree the pre-80 crowd is really terrible on HT. I just see zero logic behind how eliminating FF hypers in FF will fix that (It may assist in helping a solution, however). Let alone what the hell people are gonna do post 80.

kaleya wrote: »

Actually, you did. Your narrow-minded stubborn mind fogs you from seeing things from other people's perspective. You put words into people's mouth that they have NEVER said, and try to twist words like a child. You do know what selfish is, right? Just because we have different opinions doesn't mean I'm selfish. Being selfish means you care more about your personal profit than others. So.. essentially you're selfish for trying to take away someone's ability to level and/or make money in order to benefit yourself. Not to mention that you're selfish for 1) insulting me 2) being egotistical and think you're right no matter what and 3) having that self-righteous attitude. Not once do you explain any of your claims. You're pathetic and can only say things without backing them up, and I pity people like you. b:thanks

Star_Prism - Archosaur wrote: »

With the way quests are set up now, it does not take long to level to 100. Even if you only play a few hours a day, or just on the weekends you could easily be to level 100 in a few months.

100+ people do not have all the fun. What I see most of is people get to 100, now they are bored because the have nothing to do. I'm finding that problem myself. When I run out of quests I start getting bored. I try to fill that time with farming, but that gets dull after a while too; at that point I usually switch to a lower level alt and then I have fun.

I have never understood why people think you have to be 100+ to have fun, there is so much you can do at lower levels. People just have to be willing to look for it. If you go to any major city all you will see (other than catshops) is a bunch of players 100+ standing around, doing nothing. How is that fun?

This is what creates hyper levelers because people think they can't have fun at lower levels, that they have to be 100+. So people rush to get there and find they have nothing to do, then complain that the game sucks.

MrMegadeth - Archosaur wrote: »

Make it Level Restricted. But I also want a Hard Mode for farming the mats and crafting the gear. Easy mode for Exp and Hard mode for Farming (no effective exp on Hard)

XBABYGIRLx - Harshlands wrote: »

Time to weigh in on this FC debate. While I can agree that powerleveling has led to an uprise in players that do not understand the game mechanics of their classes, it has also led to end game content being more readily accessible to all players at a quicker rate, and in my own opinion, end game is where the real fun begins. Warsong, Lunar, TT, Nirvana(even though it is dead thanks to Nation wars:::another issue), BH100, Morai (yes I know its availible before 100)...the list goes on and on.

powerlvling has done nothing more than ruin a game that was once helpful, and greatly satisfying and fun. endgame instances such as warsong, lunar, nirvana, bh100s and morai is nothing more than a players boredom. end game is not where the fun begins its where the fun ends. the fun beings when a player is lvl 1 not at lvl 100 sitting around day after day doing nothing but twiddling their thumbs all week long till they get into tws or nws.


FC is the best means by which a player can level, ESPECIALLY after 100. (You can argue for AEU and PV all you would like, but there is a limit on how often you can do those::6 times a week, and once per day respectively.) When you are looking at an exp arch like PWI employs, you are simply not going to gain enough exp per day to level. Can you imagine gaining 1.3BILLION exp using quests?! Yes, its POSSIBLE, but in what kind of time frame. As it was, it would take nearly 3 full months of FC spamming (along with crazy stones, dailies, and bhs) to level from 103 to 104, and approx. 6 months from 104 to 105. How long would this take when you are gaining exp mostly from quests? A year? Longer? Some of you enjoy questing, and it can be nice when compared to spamming the same instance over and over again, but at the end of the day, spamming is more effective and most of us have grown used to it.

FC does help players to push past lvl 100, when theres nothing else to do besides the mundane dailies. the reality is that its not bout doing FC when your 100 its bout having FC as a substitute for the real game content which is from lvl 1-100.

In fact, we have turned it into a way of life (as far as game is concerned.) The clearing and selling of FC is a HUGE driving force in our in game economy. It is how many of us (especially sins) fund our gaming. For those that do not cash shop, or cash shop sparingly, the loss of these sales is STAGGERING. I am going to make a rough estimate here and say that on my server, at least 50% of our commerce has died since hypers were removed from FC. Those that sell FC have lost their (most likely) main sorce of income. This means not only are they not making money, but they are not spending it either. Coupling the loss of these sales with the loss of Nirvana (which was another main source of income for many people), there are very few that can afford to continue towards their goals without cash shopping coins. I for one do not appreciate being put in a position where I am FORCED to spend money on a game that is "FREE TO PLAY."

Im not saying to spend real money on a game, but theres plenty of ways to earn money in the game without having to make FF a main players pension fund. An MMO is suppose to be where we build our characters stead of rushing to endgame only to see it dull, boring and sit around doing nothing but complain to the devs bout how much content is missing when they have already passed alot of the content that has been around for years. If you want to make money in game again, why not make nirvana active again.

While I understand that many of the people who purchase these FCs have gotten the coin they use to pay for the service from cash shopping, that is a choice that is left up to that player to make, and without cash shoppers, we would not have a game. That is an important point, so I will repeat it. WITHOUT CASH SHOPPERS, WE WOULD NOT HAVE A GAME. If you remove hypers from FC, there is less of an incentive for those persons who normally cash shop to do so: they cannot spend their coins to level, and they have no need for our expensive end game gear if they are in their 70s. The amount of useful items that one can cash shop at lower levels is laughably small:flyers, mounts. Some people will spring for fashion. That is about it. On the opposite side of the coin, the "high-end" players that have already cash shopped their gear to insane degrees, in my opinion, are less likely to continue spending money as well. They can be secure in where they stand in comparison, because the rest of the server just got slapped with all of these restrictions on their farming, merching, ect.

a player will always exploit something just to make a buck ( or in this case coin).

What you are left with are those players that are in the middle. The ones who work hard for what they have through farming, and merching. I know many a person that sells FC services, and uses the money to merch. That capital is now gone. The players that are now FORCED into cash shopping are those players that WE NOT CASH SHOPPING (at least heavily) in the first place. Maybe they don't have the disposable income to spend the money. Maybe just play a free to play game because they simply don't wish to spend the disposable income they do have on a video game. Whatever the reason may be, those who do not cash shop are not going to be more likely to cash shop with these changes, they are more likely to leave the community and move to another game.

If you think FC is not a big deal, answer me this. How many of you have made an assassin in order to solo and sell fc, or solo fc for yourself to level? (If you haven't, how many of the people you know have?) If you say that you don't know a single person that has done this, you are a liar. Plain and simple.

you can easily find who the FC sellers and soloers are just by looking at world chat on a daily basis. theres also some that dont announce it in world chat and rather keep it in with faction.

Some of the community is in favor of placing level restrictions on FC hypering, for players under level 75-85. I understand where you are coming from, I really and truely do. It is annoying to get into a squad with an FC baby that doesn't know the instance, doesn't know their class, and just messes things up in general. But we need them. These are the people that bring money into the game. These are the people that fill up the token shops in west arch. These are the people that put gold in the auction house for you to use. These are the people that flood the economy with coins that make your merchanting possible. Even if you are not a merchant, without these people putting money into the game you would not be able to buy the items you need, because merchanting will wither and die.

we need the FC hyper babies like i need strep throat or rabies. they arent supplying the game at all with their merchanting or anything. to them all they want is instant gratification to keep doing what they been doing cause they dont know anything else outside of only 1 instance.

My vote is to return FC to it the way it was before this patch.

kaleya wrote: »

First of all, the 1200 people who currently voted are not representative of all of Perfect World. That's just absurd to make a change off such a small pool. People should actually think out the the effects thoroughly instead of acting quickly.. that leads to more ruin and chaos. Just because a majority of the people think a certain way doesn't mean they are right and should automatically get their way. Human judgement is obscured at times, and I believe this is the case here.

SylenThunder - Sanctuary wrote: »

See the problem is, that because of FCC hypering being allowed, and even sold to the lower levels, the lower areas are desolate for any new player we may get and makes it so the game dies even faster thanks to this. If you want to revive the game, you need to bring balance back to the player base. This can be easily achieved through restricting hypers in FCC.

The Dev's put plenty of attention into adding content to the lower level characters because we asked for it. Unfortunately, 90% of the low level players never see it because they level too fast.

Descendus - Lost City wrote: »

We were fine without people throwing their alts into frost at level 1 Before the Genesis expansion, we'll do just fine without it afterwards. Have you actually gone out to all the old questing zones? Looked around at all the former hotspots? Nearly all of them are dead, or didn't you see because you were too busy clearing and selling FC rooms, contributing to the downfall of general activity outside of the SZ's around PWI? b:irritated

Zsw - Dreamweaver wrote: »

People keep saying that disabling hyper for low levels will bring in more players. However, if 10 people join today, regardless of whether 9 of them use hypers or none of them use hypers, still only 10 people joined the game today...

At level 100, there is NW, TW, Lunar, Warsong, Competitive PvP, Competitive daily events, and so on. Mid-game is really weakly supported with nothing more than grind quests and BH. There is no way you are being competitive in anything with all the r9rr running around that makes regular r9 +12 look like a joke.