Disable hypers in frost, yes, no or LV restricted?

Reliea - Sanctuary wrote: »

Omg dave! We miss you you DW traitor b:kiss XD
And you're right >.> If I had the option now I probably would make a set anyway XD

b:surrender sorry needed to leave there for personal reasons :S


and yeah i know u would, and then would put it on ur bank with the lot of stuffs u save there xD

and well, FC isn't a bad instance at all, people there might learn how to act on aoe/pull situations which will be needed later for instances as warsong and lunar.

stfu0025 wrote: »

b:surrender sorry needed to leave there for personal reasons :S


and yeah i know u would, and then would put it on ur bank with the lot of stuffs u save there xD

and well, FC isn't a bad instance at all, people there might learn how to act on aoe/pull situations which will be needed later for instances as warsong and lunar.

So a logical response to that would be to revert it to an gear-instance, as people would have a better gear choice other then TT for lower levels and wouldn't damage the game power leveling wise.

I am fully for lvl restricting FC. From what i can tell most of the people posting here to keep it the way it was are probably those people who go out solo or duo Fc and sell the exp room to lower lvls. I have a bm that i successfully got to lvl 78 in 2 weeks without going to fc once. Yes I used hypers but only to grind in the world map. it is completely doable. if you "need" fc you are lazy and probably dont know how to play your char.

voted Lvl restricted.

Also anyone for Gamma?

I for one actually hope frost stays nerfed!!
we have far to many frost ho's who have no CLUE how to play their char.
perhaps allow 10x to use hypers but honestly would be better to put it back to how it was so you really had to KNOW how to play your class to live.

Level resrticed to 85+

Yes 85+ level restriction (saying 85 is the level you need to be to open fc)

Killing fc hyper babies = game will prosper (unless people find another way to skate around the entire game and power level to 100+)

If the level restriction is a programming issue, then I say leave it hypers disabled, period. b:victory

Level Restriction, but I have quests to do in FC at lvl 80. Saying 85+ for a dungeon that's between levels 80-90 is being very biased.

I voted level restriction.

Basically because I don't wanna see an instance killed completely. I'd say lv85+ at the least. Seen way too many not be able to handle anything below that.

I'm kinda holding onto the hope that a new generation of players will be able to bring at least a little back of what PWI was by not power leveling.

Asone - Raging Tide wrote: »

I voted level restriction.

Basically because I don't wanna see an instance killed completely. I'd say lv85+ at the least. Seen way too many not be able to handle anything below that.

I'm kinda holding onto the hope that a new generation of players will be able to bring at the least a little back of what PWI was by not power leveling.

would have to have to be Lvl cap for hypers at 80 or 85+ and be allowed to enter at 75 due to the quests

love the signature btw b:laugh

i think you shouldnt have a lv rec caz some lv 100s like to sell frost and some like to lv there alts i want to be able to hyper no matter what lv or pwi will go to hell and ppl will quitb:sadb:sad

All games after years get a change that increase exp speed, so new players no need to be lonely, btw look like in this specific game there are more QQing from peoples old that no like new exp fast, so

i vote lv restricted 85 too,

but i think is politically better the old way as before

Hypers shouldn't be level restricted, or discontinued completely. It should be left how it was before the update. I think it discourages people from making new characters. I'm not saying that it's difficult to level, but it is very time consuming, redundant, and boring. Why spend time spamming skills (some of which aren't used at higher levels, so why bother learning and adjusting to them?) and leveling slowly, when you could level your character easily and learn the more useful skills in an instance designed as a precursor to future instances at higher levels?

I saw several posts saying that people who powerlevel in FF at low levels are noobs that don't know their class. I don't see how questing would grant you skills, whereas doing FF at a low level makes you a "noob." When I quest, I use a few hard hitting skills, mobs die, then rinse and repeat. What does this teach you? That you can tell the difference between a strong/weak, fast/slow, etc. attack? Besides from learning what the skills do, I don't see how this kind of environment promotes you to be an exceptional skilled player. Applying these skills in a higher difficulty instance, such as FF, promotes learning and growth. The mobs and bosses you run into in these instances are very different than mobs in the regular world, and thus better prepare you for the coming instances you encounter at a higher level. FF is essentially a training grounds for you to become better. (Not saying that FF is all you need to learn your class, just to clear things up).

Keep in mind that majority of the people who FF have mains that are 100+ and level with their lower leveled characters. Hence, they're familiar with the dynamics of the instance beforehand, and adjust to a different class accordingly. It's pretty unfair for these higher leveled characters to call others that "don't know their character" plvled noobs. Why?

One situation occurs with new players. I know several first-time players who have gotten their level all through quests, and when they attempt to do FF to level quickly, they are rejected or chastised for being a "plvled noob" for not knowing their character just because they don't know the instance. This highly discourages them from taking a part in further FF's, and eventually they get bored because they can't attain a higher level and quit.

Another case that arises is with the higher leveled players not knowing what to do in FF. One cannot call a person a noob because it's their first time in the instance with a particular class and they're unfamiliar with their dynamics. Back then in the days of questing and no hypers, we were all lower levels uncovering what to do in FF. I'm pretty positive that a person wasn't exceptionally pro at their class in the instance just out the gate. Sure, questing gave a basic knowledge of what you should do, but it doesn't guarantee your success. We all worked together and helped each other to LEARN what to do in FF. Nowadays, you're just expected to know what to do, or else you're a "fail." Saying that FF brings rise to noobs that don't know their class just can't be a valid reason to restrict level requirements for hypers.

I saw a post earlier that setting a level restriction for hypers would promote lower levels doing BH and/or quests with other lower levels. This would happen to some certain extent, yes. But I think most players would resort to just getting on their high level character and breezing right through the instance and/or quest. I mean, why spend more time and effort when you don't need to? New players have factions, and most factions have higher level players to solo BH or quests for them. So it's not a huge impacting issue. (This method, just like FF, could also give rise to people who are "noobs who don't know their class," so how would restricting hypers resolve this situation?)

Also, I think this would affect the economy. Plvling lower levels accounts for a vast amount of profit for a huge player base. If hypers were restricted to a certain level, higher leveled players wouldn't have many customers, make no money, and thus widen the gap between the pro-geared characters and the low-geared chars. Sure, they could resort to doing other money-making instances such as TT, but the mats drop on a chance basis. Why spend time into TT and not knowing you'll get good mats, when you can spend time in FF knowing 100% you'll get what you expect. You can do BH and Cube, but they are a once a day chance thing, and cannot be done repetitively. Nirvana is dead. NW occurs only twice a week. Trophy mode if you're well skilled/geared enough. Warsong if you find a player willing to buy the molds within a certain time frame. Merchanting you need money beforehand to actually make a profit. Etc. As you can see, it's just not as convenient. You don't need fantastic gears to solo FF and can so be done by anyone to make money. People will eventually quit because there's not enough ways to make a profit.

Sorry that this post is extremely long. Altogether, I just don't see how setting a level restriction for hypers or removing them completely is beneficial.

PWI HAS ANNOCED TAT THERE IS NO MORE HYPER IN FCC there should be a lvl restriction like lvl 70.ofc untill there 70 they can learn alot..im a 72 sin i used br only 2 times once ur 70+the quests are stupid 40 mobs higher than me fr 60k /??? it will take us years to reach hundred if it goes like dis devs plzz make a restriction like lvl 70+ above to use hypers.i have only 300k left n pwi players never help me with bhs i tought i could farm stuff once im 90+..i wonder how pwi is goin to be when there is no FCC..n sins r reallyn squishy the only thing they can solo n sell waz FCC.MY FRNDS RAGE QUIT PWI after seeing dis QQb:cryb:cry

superguy556 wrote: »

If this is going to happen, I vote for restriction level on Warsong for levels 102+. Levels 100 and 101 are not good at it.

Right now it is one of the only ways people are making money that has a certain price range. It is hard enough to find people that buy it.. Why do you have to go and make it even harder? People need money for Hp food, skills, etc. Let them make their money they way they want.
b:beatenupb:beatenup

theres only one big flaw with your suggestion, it would totaly make bh for warsong a totally unactive/deserted instance just like nirvana is now plus theres not enough 102s on each server to make warsong even worth running. if your saying to limit warsong from bh 100, then alot of players will be disgusted with that particular change. if you have a better idea on a different instance for bh 100 id like to hear what ya have in mind

kaleya wrote: »

Hypers shouldn't be level restricted, or discontinued completely. It should be left how it was before the update. I think it discourages people from making new characters. I'm not saying that it's difficult to level, but it is very time consuming, redundant, and boring. Why spend time spamming skills (some of which aren't used at higher levels, so why bother learning and adjusting to them?) and leveling slowly, when you could level your character easily and learn the more useful skills in an instance designed as a precursor to future instances at higher levels?

hypers should be lvl limited cause theres more to pwi than just running ff day in and day out and if you think that by putting hypers back to the original way before the update than you might as well ragequit and uninstall pwi completely. alot of us veterans of pwi are sick of all the powerlvled noobs that have totally taken over of how things are done in the game. i think it discourages ppl even more by not having things to challenge them. does it really matter how time consuming it is in pwi or is it cause your just so money hungry that you want to keep the powerlvling open for you to collect more income for yourself. there was more to money making than hypering ppl up. leveling slowly gives ya the chance to understand and knw entirely where and when to use our skills that will effect the squads that we join. every classes skill can be useful once ya know how to use em stead of choosing which ones to use and which other ones are useless. to me your a poor excuse for playing on here.

I saw several posts saying that people who powerlevel in FF at low levels are noobs that don't know their class. I don't see how questing would grant you skills, whereas doing FF at a low level makes you a "noob." When I quest, I use a few hard hitting skills, mobs die, then rinse and repeat. What does this teach you? That you can tell the difference between a strong/weak, fast/slow, etc. attack? Besides from learning what the skills do, I don't see how this kind of environment promotes you to be an exceptional skilled player. Applying these skills in a higher difficulty instance, such as FF, promotes learning and growth. The mobs and bosses you run into in these instances are very different than mobs in the regular world, and thus better prepare you for the coming instances you encounter at a higher level. FF is essentially a training grounds for you to become better. (Not saying that FF is all you need to learn your class, just to clear things up).

learning how to execute certain skills at certain mobs and bosses can help a player learn alot from battling with the environment. its not just learning what skills do but rather also how they can be effective in every situation that you would come across. learning your class in pve gives the player an opportunity to develop their own personal and unique playstyle which is mostly possible in a pve environment stead of being dragged behind like some little kid who needs their parents help on everything. learning your class as a player is what makes the real fun out of it stead of being some idiot who got their way all the time by having some other high lvl give them something that they should of earned in the first place.

Keep in mind that majority of the people who FF have mains that are 100+ and level with their lower leveled characters. Hence, they're familiar with the dynamics of the instance beforehand, and adjust to a different class accordingly. It's pretty unfair for these higher leveled characters to call others that "don't know their character" plvled noobs. Why?

i can tell ya why ppl who have a 100+ toon can call or say who is fail and who isnt just by simply looking at their actions. id say its really unfair to have high lvls who worked over 4 years to get to where they are now and the plvled noobs get everything handed to them on a silver platter like they didnt have to work for it, but rather someone just gave it to em.

One situation occurs with new players. I know several first-time players who have gotten their level all through quests, and when they attempt to do FF to level quickly, they are rejected or chastised for being a "plvled noob" for not knowing their character just because they don't know the instance. This highly discourages them from taking a part in further FF's, and eventually they get bored because they can't attain a higher level and quit.

the only reason why those that have done all their quests and when they want to join in FF runs players reject them cause they have never been shown how FF is suppose to work and if you think that discourages them, think again. what really discourages them is when they have to stoop to your average plvled noob just so they can get onto the good stuff. its not cause they get discouraged from taking part in FF but rather those that arent willing to show them the ropes in which how an FF run is suppose to run. an ff run that runs smoothly and considers each of their members strengths and weaknesses.

Another case that arises is with the higher leveled players not knowing what to do in FF. One cannot call a person a noob because it's their first time in the instance with a particular class and they're unfamiliar with their dynamics. Back then in the days of questing and no hypers, we were all lower levels uncovering what to do in FF. I'm pretty positive that a person wasn't exceptionally pro at their class in the instance just out the gate. Sure, questing gave a basic knowledge of what you should do, but it doesn't guarantee your success. We all worked together and helped each other to LEARN what to do in FF. Nowadays, you're just expected to know what to do, or else you're a "fail." Saying that FF brings rise to noobs that don't know their class just can't be a valid reason to restrict level requirements for hypers.

id say its a very good reason to make hypers lvl restricted cause it makes those that are beginners to not fully understand how the game is suppose to work and with the rise of powerlvling in FC, it has made more fail noobs than i could probably count.

I saw a post earlier that setting a level restriction for hypers would promote lower levels doing BH and/or quests with other lower levels. This would happen to some certain extent, yes. But I think most players would resort to just getting on their high level character and breezing right through the instance and/or quest. I mean, why spend more time and effort when you don't need to? New players have factions, and most factions have higher level players to solo BH or quests for them. So it's not a huge impacting issue. (This method, just like FF, could also give rise to people who are "noobs who don't know their class," so how would restricting hypers resolve this situation?)

lvl restricting hypers would promote lower levels to do quests, bhs and other things besides being stuck in 1 instance day after day after day. it would make a big or huge impact if this was to be added. plus you dont always need a high lvl to breeze through an instance for their low lvl toons, it would encourage squad play to where you start seeing your average same lvl range squads doing a bh run that is worth conquering.

Also, I think this would affect the economy. Plvling lower levels accounts for a vast amount of profit for a huge player base. If hypers were restricted to a certain level, higher leveled players wouldn't have many customers, make no money, and thus widen the gap between the pro-geared characters and the low-geared chars. Sure, they could resort to doing other money-making instances such as TT, but the mats drop on a chance basis. Why spend time into TT and not knowing you'll get good mats, when you can spend time in FF knowing 100% you'll get what you expect. You can do BH and Cube, but they are a once a day chance thing, and cannot be done repetitively. Nirvana is dead. NW occurs only twice a week. Trophy mode if you're well skilled/geared enough. Warsong if you find a player willing to buy the molds within a certain time frame. Merchanting you need money beforehand to actually make a profit. Etc. As you can see, it's just not as convenient. You don't need fantastic gears to solo FF and can so be done by anyone to make money. People will eventually quit because there's not enough ways to make a profit.

there is more ways to making profit than selling heads or ff runs. doing tt runs for mats regardless of how much of a drop rate is at this time is alot more challenging and worth the effort than running the same old instance of killing the same ole bosses again and again. if you want to make a profit, go and do what the rest of us did before all this chaos and nonsense came out. DO SOME ZHENING even if it means doing it on 2x drops the dq drops above lvl 80 have not been affected by this dq nerf so whats stopping you from making real profit by selling the drops you make. ppl will also quit when they arent being challenged enough either. if you want something like ff, then how bout porting down to raging tide and spend all day there doing public quest.

Sorry that this post is extremely long. Altogether, I just don't see how setting a level restriction for hypers or removing them completely is beneficial.

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