Mystic, Veno or Cleric Damage comparison?
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OmniX - Heavens Tear wrote: »Read the last sentence of the paragraph i quoted that you wrote. Do you read your own stuff before you click send? Youre all over the place...youre confusing yourself and spilling theoretical BS all over. The question wasnt vague at all. He asked which is a better DD? seems pretty straight forward o.O?
DD at what? PvE? PvP? Mass PvP? Depends on which of the 3, the answers will vary. Lol, last sentence? You do know what purge is right? And the pot called Blinking Poultice? I thought you had a veno, lol...
and good luck with NV+Soul Absorb on a 20k hp sage veno especially when i can purify my self instantly with summer sprint.0 -
And officially a best DD discussion got derailed into a PvP argument... b:chuckle
b:lipcurl I've been having a hard time finding anything on the damage output of Mystc summons so I guess I'm stuck on that front until I can find at least some rough figures.0 -
MiniST - Sanctuary wrote: »DD at what? PvE? PvP? Mass PvP? Depends on which of the 3, the answers will vary. Lol, last sentence? You do know what purge is right? And the pot called Blinking Poultice? I thought you had a veno, lol...
and good luck with NV+Soul Absorb on a 20k hp sage veno especially when i can purify my self instantly with summer sprint.
Cause summer sprint doesnt have a 1 min CD and NV doesnt take half a sec to cast maybe ? o.o
Also, I hit about 15k with such a combo on most AA (lowest I've hit with it was 7k on a full R9-3 caster), all I'd have to do would be getting your HP close to half without ticking charm and just finish you off with absorb soul. On top of it, like Bella said, we have highest wood defence. Of course you got purge, but it has a CD too, and we can leech salvation to buy time to rebuff verdant shell (if only really needed, which means the veno would really have to hit like a truck). Also sage mystics get a chance to purify on a very fast and powerful heal with close to no CD. If we leech mistress we also get very high mdef (of course, I would use it right after you used purge so you couldnt purge this again), in my case mdef jumps to 33k wood resistance after this (ok, maybe a bit less without cleric buff, but still).
So, maybe I won't one shot you right away, but I have enough to survive you long enough to kill you.
Also 7-15k is what I hit with absorb soul with no mag atk boost.
If I had the opportunity to sage spark + leech mistress + rapid growth, then I could probably hit for over 20k with absorb soul, granted I get 45k mag atk after such a boost, on top of my 96 atk lvls.
Or... maybe even lucky break + weeping breeze dance should do it, after rapid growth or leech mistress or sage spark. I did a 26k crit with that combo on a G16 sin last NW, and I didn't use any mag atk boost.
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Asthariel - Dreamweaver wrote: »weeping breeze dance
Don't forget to say weeping breeze dance reduce the max hp.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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There's something to be said for Cleric's UV, Mark of Weakness, and Magical Shackle, along with Elemental Seal. All 3 can make great dd's but Cleric is by far the most costly for MP, and lacking in long term exclusive defense buff.
Some people just like playing a healer/ purifier, but I think many of us created the cleric to buff our alts which is where the greatest value of clerics is. It's not that they can't be great dd's/ debuffers: it's more that they cost so much more to do so.Be kind: Help the GMs to depopulate the servers.0 -
Well well....seems you ppl never had some nasty 1on1 matches with equally end-game geared ppl (perhaps you should just visit a PServer just for that purpose a few weeks) because else you would know why Mystics are not so good and it was never a matter of how many def a class got.
It's crystal clear that a full r9 rere cast Mystic will own anything below that gear level. Same goes for all classes. But we are talking about a Mystic with that gear would fight against a cleric or a veno with equal gears. When all 3 start out full buffed then the Mystic will die through the both others. Veno will purge and then have by far a tremendous advantage and the Cleric will simpleblast the mystic away in Metal Mode, because you all don't seem to get that the Cleric will have a 5-7k more Magic Attack advantage even over the Mystic if he's in Advanced Metal Mode with 60k Soulforce. the Main Strengh of Cleric lies in their ability to just protect themselfes even in Metal-mode (with enough Soulforce ofc). Before Morai Clerics were ok in PvP but now they are so Absolutely amazing.
If all 3 are self-buffs only then the Cleric wins without a hassle because the other 2 can't break through his defense while the Cleric got phys and mag def debuffs and hit the hardest and so on. It doesn't matter how many different skills a class has to attack, you can't use them all anyways...and using all class one after another doesn't make your ability to play any better.
I've tried all classes in that way and ofc I wouldn't suggest Cleric over veno over Mystic if I'd never tested that out. You ppl seem to lack experience. You can't always judge by your own "PWI"-Experience just because you won't find that many fights on equal terms to really be able to fairly compare classes to each other.
From All Caster I would give them following ranking (ofc in 1on1 situations and self buffs only):
1. Cleric
2. Wizard (Because you can't kill clerics that are well skilled, but if you take the Cleric out, wizards are the best to fight against all other classes)
3. Veno (purge is OP + Sage triple Spark hurts like hell^^)
4. Mystic (yeah the selfbuff is nice and they can heal themselfes pretty well)
5. Psy (End-Game-wise totally laugh-able, they are just annoying but can't kill anything really, try them on a PServer if you don't believe me^^ you'll be shocked trust me. At the beginning I thought that they would be way stronger but they are just squishy not more and got nearly nothing to protect themselfes...anti-stun + anti-seal and they are helpless and those tiny 25 Attack level they got more don't make any difference..)
PS: If you plan on doing just mass PvP events like TW or NW then my thoughts don't matter to you at all. In that Case roll a Veno to purge and effeciently kill ppl in Team-Play. Purged ppl are dead ppl always remember that^^ ofc if they dont use IG or AD or something liek that and can run away =P but thats a different Story.
For 1on1 roll a Cleric or a Wizard and for Mass PK roll a veno, simple as that![SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Got at least one alt of any class above level 100.
All decently geared and skilled (: .
And the most important thing is: They are all fun to play ^.^ .
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if u want to pvp with a cleric of those 3 , i choose cleric (metal wizz) , pretty nice damage and u can heal yourself even in Violet stance , read a old post they said cleric got xx skils , but u forgot about lv 100 skill -Elven Boon? who deals nice dmg , and Seal OF God , i choose anytime a cleric before a veno or mystic , is just my opinion cuz i got a wizz who is pure , and my cleric is same pure built , and isnt so much a difference between their magic atack on status (cleric in violet stance) , but wizard hit harder because of skils0
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Meh... I've never really considered mystics a threat in pvp. Even r9 ones. That being said i haven't fought very many. Venos on the other hand are ridiculous, and a good cleric playing defensively is very hard to kill[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0
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It's not the high mp, but chi costs that restrict a Cleric. All movement seals (seal of the god even one spark), VD and Magical Shackle and the defensive skills such as Plume Shell, Guardian Light and Wings of Protection, all cost chi and on top of that, the most efficient dd skill (elven boon) as well as Mark of Weakness don't give any. So it'll be really hard in PvP to have enough chi for every fight if you want to save your apoth or genie energy for defensive action, like damage or movement invincibility.There's something to be said for Cleric's UV, Mark of Weakness, and Magical Shackle, along with Elemental Seal. All 3 can make great dd's but Cleric is by far the most costly for MP, and lacking in long term exclusive defense buff.World is full of illusions.
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Fryvorg - Sanctuary wrote: »It's not the high mp, but chi costs that restrict a Cleric. All movement seals (seal of the god even one spark),(U)VD and Magical Shackle and the defensive skills such as Plume Shell, Guardian Light and Wings of Protection, all cost chi and on top of that, the most efficient dd skill (elven boon) as well as Mark of Weakness don't give any. So it'll be really hard in PvP to have enough chi for every fight if you want to save your apoth or genie energy for defensive action, like damage or movement invincibility.
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i too once had these options to make one main bc I can really r9 1 class. bfor nv was enough to pvp with, but now its geting more competitive.
I too am a veno, mystic, cleric player, i also have psy n wiz, but I do not like them as much.
I had a debait about veno or mystic to make main and not cleric is because.
1. not that cleric cant dd or w/e my cleric actually has her 100s skills and aeu skills complete except magical shackle. but the thing is, when you are a cleric you find yourself not a dmg dealer in pvp but a buffer/purifier/healer.
2. i can survive well enough on cleric with just nv gear on cleric.
3. you are expected to heal/buff/purify in squad in pvp, nw, tw. and I really only like to do that in tw.
chosing between mystic n veno is hard, like someone already said its like comparing a mango with jack fruit or something ( i dont particularly like orange or apple). I love both classes but they are too different that you can't compare.
but, I ended up chosing mystic because
for veno.
1. you kinda have to purge someone to kill them.
2. the effective way to defend against a good mellee is fox form which e.e dont do that much dmg.
3. e.e they are wayyyyy more costly to play in term of time and money. I've done fine w/o a nix or herc or even pet in pvp so far but if i want to superb, I do feel like i need to get a nix and lvl it. and lvling my pets are just... I do not have the time to.
4. >_>' tho my demon veno was my first char, I did not get her 100 culti done so there for, she does not have her lvl 100 skill while my mystic already has. n i hate doing culti so...
e.e these are the reasons why i did not chose my veno. but they are on equal terms to me, I love both.0 -
From personal experience I can say:
Cleric-worst mage DD, easy to kill. Unless R9R3.
Veno-Somewhat tough, bramble doesn't really affect me because I use IG/AD to block its effect. They die instantly. Their slow casting is pathetic in long terms effect so they die in no time if someone uses IG/AD.
Mystics-Possibly the hardest in PVP, their knockback+pet stun+self heals are very annoying.0 -
Chigenkaiona - Dreamweaver wrote: »bramble doesn't really affect me because I use IG/AD to block its effect.
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Chigenkaiona - Dreamweaver wrote: »Their slow casting is pathetic in long terms effect so they die in no time if someone uses IG/AD.
And then you stealth away after 12 seconds of ig and 5 seconds of domain... right?1. If I kill you; do something about it yourself, don't go complaining to my wife.
2. If you have less kill counts then me, don't expect me to take pk advice from you.
3. If you are hiding behind an alt, don't expect me to acknowledge your existence.
Tokichiro - Heavy Armor Fish / Kiyoshi - Dual Blade Elf0 -
Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »And then you stealth away after 12 seconds of ig and 5 seconds of domain... right?
Nope, they are dead long before. I'm 5aps G15 zerk daggers build, they don't last unless they are R9R3. That's the only thing that can save them.0 -
Baby_pho - Heavens Tear wrote: »i too once had these options to make one main bc I can really r9 1 class. bfor nv was enough to pvp with, but now its geting more competitive.
I too am a veno, mystic, cleric player, i also have psy n wiz, but I do not like them as much.
I had a debait about veno or mystic to make main and not cleric is because.
1. not that cleric cant dd or w/e my cleric actually has her 100s skills and aeu skills complete except magical shackle. but the thing is, when you are a cleric you find yourself not a dmg dealer in pvp but a buffer/purifier/healer.
2. i can survive well enough on cleric with just nv gear on cleric.
3. you are expected to heal/buff/purify in squad in pvp, nw, tw. and I really only like to do that in tw.
chosing between mystic n veno is hard, like someone already said its like comparing a mango with jack fruit or something ( i dont particularly like orange or apple). I love both classes but they are too different that you can't compare.
but, I ended up chosing mystic because
for veno.
1. you kinda have to purge someone to kill them.
2. the effective way to defend against a good mellee is fox form which e.e dont do that much dmg.
3. e.e they are wayyyyy more costly to play in term of time and money. I've done fine w/o a nix or herc or even pet in pvp so far but if i want to superb, I do feel like i need to get a nix and lvl it. and lvling my pets are just... I do not have the time to.
4. >_>' tho my demon veno was my first char, I did not get her 100 culti done so there for, she does not have her lvl 100 skill while my mystic already has. n i hate doing culti so...
e.e these are the reasons why i did not chose my veno. but they are on equal terms to me, I love both.
Yup I have 2 clerics, 1 mystic and 1 veno, for me there was no question about clerics, I'll never R9 my clerics, I do fine in 3rd recast Nirvana gears.
I just got the R9 on mytic. For me it wasn't even hard to choose which one R9.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Chigenkaiona - Dreamweaver wrote: »Veno-Somewhat tough, bramble doesn't really affect me because I use IG/AD to block its effect. They die instantly. Their slow casting is pathetic in long terms effect so they die in no time if someone uses IG/AD.
A venomancer's reflect skills don't work at all in world pvp. they only work in duels,NW, and TW
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Kniraven - Lost City wrote: »A venomancer's reflect skills don't work at all in world pvp. they only work in duels,NW, and TW
I was referring to NW.0 -
Cleric having to heal/buff/purify is really only an issue if you go in as a squad. And you don't have to join squads in NW when you know they want you to sacrifice your contri for their gain. If my cleric goes in, it's going to be focused on earning contri, and helping nation take territory. I couldn't care less how many faceless scrubs get mapwiped because they didn't come with a charm or good gear. That's their problem, and I won't be their buff monkey to help them overcome it.0
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Sylvae - Sanctuary wrote: »Cleric having to heal/buff/purify is really only an issue if you go in as a squad. And you don't have to join squads in NW when you know they want you to sacrifice your contri for their gain. If my cleric goes in, it's going to be focused on earning contri, and helping nation take territory. I couldn't care less how many faceless scrubs get mapwiped because they didn't come with a charm or good gear. That's their problem, and I won't be their buff monkey to help them overcome it.
Clerics earn points in Nation Wars for healing and buffing their team mates. My friend vansloten earns about 13k contrib every war by just following and spam healing my sorry @ss.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Sylvae - Sanctuary wrote: »Cleric having to heal/buff/purify is really only an issue if you go in as a squad. And you don't have to join squads in NW when you know they want you to sacrifice your contri for their gain. If my cleric goes in, it's going to be focused on earning contri, and helping nation take territory. I couldn't care less how many faceless scrubs get mapwiped because they didn't come with a charm or good gear. That's their problem, and I won't be their buff monkey to help them overcome it.
I get buffed by clerics all the time... sometimes veno and mystics. Even though I don't expect it, once in a while I would even get ih and purify. Unless you are looking at least 50 attack levels... keeping an refined r9 alive for that extra second or two for his charm to tick is going to be a lot more beneficial in terms of points then whatever damage you could muster up. Sometimes a win or lose is up to if a single r9 can stay alive to do his thing.1. If I kill you; do something about it yourself, don't go complaining to my wife.
2. If you have less kill counts then me, don't expect me to take pk advice from you.
3. If you are hiding behind an alt, don't expect me to acknowledge your existence.
Tokichiro - Heavy Armor Fish / Kiyoshi - Dual Blade Elf0 -
Kniraven - Lost City wrote: »Clerics earn points in Nation Wars for healing and buffing their team mates. My friend vansloten earns about 13k contrib every war by just following and spam healing my sorry @ss.
I'm not really sure about that, I had a friend in my squad as cleric last friday and he got like nothing (we was in the winning nation) We all got over 150 tokens while he didn't even got 30 and all the NW he was healing buffing.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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You won't get points for buffing. I tried that out in wars without enemies. Because then I just buff everyone I meet and I heal the flag carrier who loses some HP when he picks it. Normally I'm placed at around rank 7 that way. I assume there are not so many Clerics around doing the same, so I think buffing doesn't benefit yourself, but only your nation.Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands wrote: »I'm not really sure about that, I had a friend in my squad as cleric last friday and he got like nothing (we was in the winning nation) We all got over 150 tokens while he didn't even got 30 and all the NW he was healing buffing.
Some sources tell that you get points for healing. I'm quite certain you do.
But what is way more effective is taking damage and staying alive a long time in regards of earning contribution. That's why barbs are probably the best class for getting tokens when charmed.World is full of illusions.
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Fryvorg - Sanctuary wrote: »You won't get points for buffing. I tried that out in wars without enemies. Because then I just buff everyone I meet and I heal the flag carrier who loses some HP when he picks it. Normally I'm placed at around rank 7 that way.
Some sources tell that you get points for healing. I'm quite certain you do.
But what is way more effective is taking damage and staying alive a long time in regards of earning contribution. That's why barbs are probably the best class for getting tokens when charmed.
I know for buffing, I mean for healing. I will never tell a cleric to DD and go metal mage form, but for NW it's the only place I'll say to a cleric to go ahead and DD unless he's in a squad that share reward, cause some squad do share their reward all together.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Personally I would have picked veno because unlike the other 2 they can have a solid physical damage versus the other two. You get a purge amp 0pdef on a mystic or ep and a veno could hit them 5-6k no crit stunning blow and lock them then fox wallop to slow channeling and just auto attack kill them in 5 seconds
Assuming they are equally geared.
Venos are OP especially with the new morai skills.My main was Susamajii The Lost City Barbarian.0 -
Savor - Lost City wrote: »Personally I would have picked veno because unlike the other 2 they can have a solid physical damage versus the other two. You get a purge amp 0pdef on a mystic or ep and a veno could hit them 5-6k no crit stunning blow and lock them then fox wallop to slow channeling and just auto attack kill them in 5 seconds Assuming they are equally geared.
Venos are OP especially with the new morai skills.
In all fairness... you have to be extremely ****ty/unlucky to get stun locked by a veno for "5 seconds".1. If I kill you; do something about it yourself, don't go complaining to my wife.
2. If you have less kill counts then me, don't expect me to take pk advice from you.
3. If you are hiding behind an alt, don't expect me to acknowledge your existence.
Tokichiro - Heavy Armor Fish / Kiyoshi - Dual Blade Elf0 -
Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »In all fairness... you have to be extremely ****ty/unlucky to get stun locked by a veno for "5 seconds".
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Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »In all fairness... you have to be extremely ****ty/unlucky to get stun locked by a veno for "5 seconds".
Demon veno has 50% chance to stun 3 seconds with stunning blow. If they have 0 pdef and amp they could even just die to this hit or at least tick their charm then that 3 second stun is fox wallop and 2 auto attacks. Could be dead by this point especially if fox wallop proc and 100% crit for 5 seconds if not you can stun fox wallop go human lucky scarab thats another 3 seconds thats 6 seconds of stun by a veno...not even counting useless nix.My main was Susamajii The Lost City Barbarian.0 -
Savor - Lost City wrote: »Demon veno has 50% chance to stun 3 seconds with stunning blow. If they have 0 pdef and amp they could even just die to this hit or at least tick their charm then that 3 second stun is fox wallop and 2 auto attacks. Could be dead by this point especially if fox wallop proc and 100% crit for 5 seconds if not you can stun fox wallop go human lucky scarab thats another 3 seconds thats 6 seconds of stun by a veno...not even counting useless nix.
So... your target is afk during this whole time? Nevermind my 100 dex badge genie... no one will even have expel/domain/faith on their genie.1. If I kill you; do something about it yourself, don't go complaining to my wife.
2. If you have less kill counts then me, don't expect me to take pk advice from you.
3. If you are hiding behind an alt, don't expect me to acknowledge your existence.
Tokichiro - Heavy Armor Fish / Kiyoshi - Dual Blade Elf0 -
Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »So... your target is afk during this whole time? Nevermind my 100 dex badge genie... no one will even have expel/domain/faith on their genie.
How else? Who would dare to attack somebody when their not afk and explain to their face how horrible people they are as only horrible people need to be violent and hurt others. Also who would waste their genie space on that, they need heals like ToP so when these individuals appear one can heal the damage theyve inflicted.Trolling Sid since So Hot
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