Mystic, Veno or Cleric Damage comparison?
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Telarith - Sanctuary wrote: »Actually, it does. Considering that the attack speed increase is actually a -channeling effect on demon clerics when they spark, increasing the DPS of them.
Thanks for the correction. Does this come off as a straight addition to channeling rates?
On the dps thing, when we normalize to same level/gear comparisons it doesn't follow that damage outputs even out, this would seem to be the case to some extent with Clerics and Venos (disregarding spark effects) although only if you disregard pet damage output, in which case Clerics get a slight advantage. Mystics get to use two types of summons simultaneously so this is reflected in relatively much lower dps even accounting for better casting/channeling, as dph for most of their skills is simply too low. Once you factor in gear, Venos benefit the most from channeling as they've got relatively fast casting but the larger channeling figures. And Mystics do get the better dph on account of just 1 hard hitting ulti. I can't give you figures for this as I'm not clear on how Cragglord works exactly, but Cleric does beat Veno (comparing Tempest to Nova). Once again, I'm not accounting for sparking here. For all three classes output scales proportionately with increases to damage however.
You do make a good point but it isn't as clear cut as a rule of thumb and pets/summons muddle the issue where Venos and mystics are concerned.0 -
DeffyNature - Archosaur wrote: »I think I can actually count on one hand the times I've triple sparked since starting the game 3 years ago. I really have better uses for my chi, even as a sage veno.
As MANray said, hood is important to keep in mind, but in a boss fight I seldom am a part of a fail enough squad to need to use it. Instead of sage spark, I'd rather just go fox myriad-human-nova-noxious-bramble rage the hell outta groups in delta and such, or on single targets, I really do use both myriads, sage ironwood and sage frost scarab as often as possible, and those do take up on chi, but I get what I feel is best, that is, I debuff and DoT the hell outta that puppy, since I'm not competing with the other dds in stealing agro. I really don't want it on my veno, they can keep it.
I amp, I debuff, therefor I offer my squad the best damage output, while my pet and DoTs keep giving damage to my target while I actually do the debuffing, then I go all nuke-crazy between rounds.
For the poll, I chose mystic, simply because not only there are a few great combo nukes, not to mention mistress's damage, but the stats are in their favor, offering more magic attack/ mana than I could ever get from my magic build.
It's kinda my point, people say veno have better 3 sparks, it's true but they don't spark as much as other casters and it's fine, they do their job, so I think sparks should not be took in consideration to say ''veno have better 3 spark they are better DD''.
As mystic if I'm main healer I wont 3 spark as often, but if I have a good cleric in squad than I can fully DD cause anyway my debuff are the worse so I don't need to use them. XD[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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What's the OP's problem with Wiz and Psy?
"I want the highest DPS magic class except the #1 and #2, because I don't like them." What?
For cereal. Veno has horribad DPS, it's a debuffing/purging/amping role.
Cleric is built for healing, not DPS.
Mystic is sort of a mix of Veno and Cleric. Of the 3, Mystic probably can do higher damage over time, but... for PVP they are squishy as hell.
R9r3 Wiz probably is the highest spike damage class in game. Psy is gonna be right there with it. Mystic in a distant third, followed by cleric and Veno even further behind.
In a squad with 5 physical 5.0 DD's and one odd spot for either a Cleric, Mystic, or Veno, the Veno's amp will add the most collective damage by helping the 5.0's do more DPS. Wiz, Psy, Mystic, and Cleric can add to their DPS, but not nearly as much.101 Sage Sin*/Archer
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Sarrafeline - Sanctuary wrote: »What's the OP's problem with Wiz and Psy?
"I want the highest DPS magic class except the #1 and #2, because I don't like them." What?
For cereal. Veno has horribad DPS, it's a debuffing/purging/amping role.
I play wiz, mystic, veno, and cleric. Veno and Mystic way out dps wiz under almost any circumstance.Cleric is built for healing, not DPS.
With the new skills: I'd way take a cleric over a wiz for dd.Mystic is sort of a mix of Veno and Cleric. Of the 3, Mystic probably can do higher damage over time, but... for PVP they are squishy as hell.
No: Mystic doesn't need foxform for extra pdef, it doesn't need purify to keep tanks alive, it doesn't use pets as tanks, it can heal squad while dd'ing, It can tank fine in prone form using mag. Mystic aren't near as squishy as veno and cleric.R9r3 Wiz probably is the highest spike damage class in game. Psy is gonna be right there with it. Mystic in a distant third, followed by cleric and Veno even further behind.
Absorb Soul -seriously, for AoE: we can do 3 of them in the time it takes psy/ wiz to do one so wanna come again w/ spike dmg?In a squad with 5 physical 5.0 DD's and one odd spot for either a Cleric, Mystic, or Veno, the Veno's amp will add the most collective damage by helping the 5.0's do more DPS. Wiz, Psy, Mystic, and Cleric can add to their DPS, but not nearly as much.
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Maayyyybe that's because nobody uses them in a normal squad in intances and amp isYou are ignorant of Mark of Weakness, Magic Shackle, and Dimensional Seal.
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I usually don't count cleric debuffs when involving a group, because alot of times there is a better source of the same debuff around. If I remember right, the veno pet's skill does a higher mag debuff, and Devour beats our Dimensional Seal. So I'd avoid using them in those situations, since it would over-write the stronger debuff with my cleric's weaker one.
As for not choosing wizzie or psychic, I can kind of see that. They are much more straightforward 1 role type class, at least to me, when compared to the more versatile play of a cleric, mystic, or veno. At least if the veno has multiple pets for specific instances, and does the switching between forms. Otherwise they are kinda bland then as well.
And like with amp, clerics get RB to speed up the DPS of everyone as well. And the new skills did make me go back to releveling my cleric for them. Can't wait to hit 100 and start using Elven Boon in Metal Form, ah brings a tear to my eye.Fist are the worst at PvP AND PvE, if you disagree, as I said, take it to PM's or make your own guide. Go here if you want to debate about it. - Lyndura
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It's not just the veno sparks, it's the amp...
b:infuriated I think I'll actually have to try doing some math.
b:sad However I haven't got a clue how to calaculate damage for Mystic summons.0 -
MANray_ - Sanctuary wrote: »It's not just the veno sparks, it's the amp...
b:infuriated I think I'll actually have to try doing some math.
b:sad However I haven't got a clue how to calaculate damage for Mystic summons.
And don't forget mystic Invigorate.
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Telarith - Sanctuary wrote: »I usually don't count cleric debuffs when involving a group, because alot of times there is a better source of the same debuff around. If I remember right, the veno pet's skill does a higher mag debuff, and Devour beats our Dimensional Seal.
Extremely rarely is Howl used by or even available by venos, and it's a mere 15s debuff w/ a 30s cool down making elemental seal better overall. Devour is great, but over half the Barbs I encounter are more into trying to steal aggro than support the actual tank. Also; Barbs aren't the only tank around, and they're scarce.
As Xx_BeLLa_xX points out above: Invigorate rocks!Be kind: Help the GMs to depopulate the servers.0 -
o.o Whats wrong with you ppl?
Without even the need to think about which is the best DDing from those 3 it is crystal clear that the Cleric is the best by far.
End-Game Cleric with advanced Metal Mode will roflpwn the other 2 in pk if he knows what he's doing...the Cleric is by far the most versatile magic class in the whole game...
Besides Clerics stand way longer than the other magic classes (Plume Shell aka double charm use) and can buff themselves the most important end game buffs (because your def levels will mean nothing when your def is debuffed to 0 or close to 0).
Only advantage a veno got is purge and Bramble, mystics can be laughed at in PvP. From all caster Classes I personally fear Mystics the least just because they dont have any nasty extreme dmg dealing tricks up their sleeves, heck they can't even stun or freeze me that long.
End-Game PvP means: If ya can't debuff or Purge your Target you can't kill it, it's really that simple.
Go for Cleric if you wanna show some true skills or go the easy way and roll a veno.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Joe - Momaganon wrote: »o.o Whats wrong with you ppl?
Without even the need to think about which is the best DDing from those 3 it is crystal clear that the Cleric is the best by far.
End-Game Cleric with advanced Metal Mode will roflpwn the other 2 in pk if he knows what he's doing...the Cleric is by far the most versatile magic class in the whole game...
Besides Clerics stand way longer than the other magic classes (Plume Shell aka double charm use) and can buff themselves the most important end game buffs (because your def levels will mean nothing when your def is debuffed to 0 or close to 0).
Only advantage a veno got is purge and Bramble, mystics can be laughed at in PvP. From all caster Classes I personally fear Mystics the least just because they dont have any nasty extreme dmg dealing tricks up their sleeves, heck they can't even stun or freeze me that long.
End-Game PvP means: If ya can't debuff or Purge your Target you can't kill it, it's really that simple.
Go for Cleric if you wanna show some true skills or go the easy way and roll a veno.
Generally this is true. There are some R9 clerics that are scary. But... There are R9 Psys I simply cannot kill. >_>
R9 mystics are laughable. Even triple sparked, they are a joke.
Mystic is quite simply the last class I would ever PK, TW, or NW on. IF my Veno was R9R2 or R3, +10, I might consider it.
But, before I ever R9 a Veno, I'd R9 my Psy and Wiz and my LA and HA classes first.101 Sage Sin*/Archer
100 Demon BM*/Barb
96 Demon Cleric/Sage Seeker
95 Demon Wiz/
94 Sage Veno
85 Psy/80 Mystic
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So mystic cant pk?0
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Sarrafeline - Sanctuary wrote: »Generally this is true. There are some R9 clerics that are scary. But... There are R9 Psys I simply cannot kill. >_>
R9 mystics are laughable. Even triple sparked, they are a joke.
Mystic is quite simply the last class I would ever PK, TW, or NW on. IF my Veno was R9R2 or R3, +10, I might consider it.
But, before I ever R9 a Veno, I'd R9 my Psy and Wiz and my LA and HA classes first.
Actually, the only classes, out of casters, I`ve had real trouble killing on sin is mystic and wizzie. Psy is the most annoying to kill as you gotta spend immunity to not get sealed but with that, it`s pretty straightforward to kill one. Granted sin needs some sort of advantage over psy(gear/skill) to win even that fight.Trolling Sid since So Hot
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WnbTank - Archosaur wrote: »Actually, the only classes, out of casters, I`ve had real trouble killing on sin is mystic and wizzie. Psy is the most annoying to kill as you gotta spend immunity to not get sealed but with that, it`s pretty straightforward to kill one. Granted sin needs some sort of advantage over psy(gear/skill) to win even that fight.
xD for what I noticed over the past few weeks, sins have become obsolete...I always laughed at the "sins are so OP" in pk threads....ok they are at the beginning, but as the overall gear level rises sins become useless and weak. They deal no dmg, are slow (or very squishy ofc) and unless they Spark + IG you with full int gear...they can't beat anything cept low range casters and other sins/archer. The moment IG vanishes will be the death of the sin.
Sins are really no matter of what Caster Class you play anymore. Always remember if you choose a class that there are differences between end-game playing and near end-game and so on. if you plan on going absolute end-game which is r9rere cast full +12ed with josd then I suggest rolling a Cleric which can nearly kill everything with 38k unsparked mag attack combined with 55k+ soulforce and even the Elven Boon skill heals you by far enough to ignore the fact you cannot heal in Metal-Mode. If you're not going to spend so much money on this game I suggest playing veno. Buffs are everything in eng-game and as veno you can easily take them away + amp the enemy if you like. thats a huge advantage....and as mystic...you can...well...use your useless pets...and...well yeah^^ Mystics suck big time end game PvP wise, so do Sins, BMs and Seeker as well.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Joe - Momaganon wrote: »xD for what I noticed over the past few weeks, sins have become obsolete...I always laughed at the "sins are so OP" in pk threads....ok they are at the beginning, but as the overall gear level rises sins become useless and weak. They deal no dmg, are slow (or very squishy ofc) and unless they Spark + IG you with full int gear...they can't beat anything cept low range casters and other sins/archer. The moment IG vanishes will be the death of the sin.
Sins are really no matter of what Caster Class you play anymore. Always remember if you choose a class that there are differences between end-game playing and near end-game and so on. if you plan on going absolute end-game which is r9rere cast full +12ed with josd then I suggest rolling a Cleric which can nearly kill everything with 38k unsparked mag attack combined with 55k+ soulforce and even the Elven Boon skill heals you by far enough to ignore the fact you cannot heal in Metal-Mode. If you're not going to spend so much money on this game I suggest playing veno. Buffs are everything in eng-game and as veno you can easily take them away + amp the enemy if you like. thats a huge advantage....and as mystic...you can...well...use your useless pets...and...well yeah^^ Mystics suck big time end game PvP wise, so do Sins, BMs and Seeker as well.
I`m curious if you have actually some experience playing/fighting high end game mystic? What Ive noticed is mystics are pretty interesting to fight, pretty difficult beat and while they dont hit as hard as psy, they still deal quite decent dmg. It`s just 95% of mystics, least on Archo, are completely undergeared. I can think of 5 R9 mystics, 2 of them being R999, least got the wep. I can think of 3 mystics with N3+10 offhand. Despite mystic being rare class, they seem to be fairly undergeared a lot of the time.Trolling Sid since So Hot0 -
WnbTank - Archosaur wrote: »I`m curious if you have actually some experience playing/fighting high end game mystic? What Ive noticed is mystics are pretty interesting to fight, pretty difficult beat and while they dont hit as hard as psy, they still deal quite decent dmg. It`s just 95% of mystics, least on Archo, are completely undergeared. I can think of 5 R9 mystics, 2 of them being R999, least got the wep. I can think of 3 mystics with N3+10 offhand. Despite mystic being rare class, they seem to be fairly undergeared a lot of the time.
End-Game geared ppl are always hard to fight, but Mystics dont have anything special. Wizards can easily kill you very fast with their undine strike+spark combo...clerics can seal, sleep you and get loads of that anti heal **** on you. Venos can purge....and mystics? they can just attack and heal themselfes. While without a good strategy it could be hard defeating them since they can fully heal themselfes within moments, they just don't deal any dmg. The only way to be a end-game geared player is to debuff that person. Classes that can't debuff others are lost end-game-wise (1on1 ofc).
I fought max geared mystics with my by far not maxed (aps-)barb (not yet maxed but working on it^^) and the way of killing them is always the same...use mag def charms, stay defensive until my purge works. Then I use devour + Occult ice and Tangling mire followed by an Armageddon. If the mystic survived due to absolute Domain or stuff like that I just stun her and fist her to death^^ Surely that strategy works against all other classes as well but I don't fear getting killed like nothing when my attack misses, just because the mystic isn't capable of dealing that much dmg. For Example...same Situation. A equally geared wizard just have to use domain, then seal me, use undine +spark and for example his phoenix...then I'm dead faster then I can even look xD if I'm not fast enough in clicking IG or something like that^^
Mystics are not a bad class ofc not they are amazing. They just have nothing special about them, nothing that really kicks @ss...that's why I dont recommend them^^[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Yeah, it's pretty much the same on Sanctuary, and most of them don't really know how to handle their character in a fight. (Or if they have half a clue how to fight, they don't know how to support the squad.) I run into very few mystics that actually know how to play their character and are properly geared.WnbTank - Archosaur wrote: »I`m curious if you have actually some experience playing/fighting high end game mystic? What Ive noticed is mystics are pretty interesting to fight, pretty difficult beat and while they dont hit as hard as psy, they still deal quite decent dmg. It`s just 95% of mystics, least on Archo, are completely undergeared. I can think of 5 R9 mystics, 2 of them being R999, least got the wep. I can think of 3 mystics with N3+10 offhand. Despite mystic being rare class, they seem to be fairly undergeared a lot of the time.
I tell you what though, when you run across one of those few in NW or TW, you better look out, because before you know it, you're dead. I've seen barbs with 20k hp get one-shot by a properly played mystic.
IIRC, if you're looking at real numbers in DPH (or DPM), the Psy is #1, the Sin is #2, and the Archer is a very close 3rd. Wizards used to be the #1, but thanks to forever channeling times and the "introduction" of APS, they have fallen to the wayside. Don't be fooled though, a properly geared wizard will drop you just as fast as any of the other classes I've mentioned so far because when they do hit, it's like a freaking freight train.
While the cleric can be a decent foe in PvP, they just aren't designed to deal a lot of damage. The cleric shines in sealing, and in being able to deal both magical and physical damage. I played NW on my R8(+3) Cleric last night and had a bit of fun taking down quite a few R9 geared toons. (Mostly because they didn't have a freaking clue about how to actually use their skills.) Hell one was even an R9 archer in a solo battle. It lasted all of almost a minute, (I know this by the cooldown on Demon Plume Shell), and was one hell of a battle, but I shouldn't have been able to prevail if they actually knew what the hell they were doing.Take the time to look for your answer before you post like an idiot.
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Starting to have doubts on becoming a mystic now... I never thought mystic suck at pvp endgame, sigh.. who to be...0
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Starting to have doubts on becoming a mystic now... I never thought mystic suck at pvp endgame, sigh.. who to be...
Like some stated before, no class does really suck, some just got something special that pushes them a little over the other classes, but do not worry. Play the class that you find the most interesting and that you enjoy the most. The most ppl don't know how to play anyways and ofc that's my fault I always state PvP situations where I think that both players know the max of their chars and are able to throw out anything to prevent death until everythin even MP and HP pots are in Cooldown...have you guys met so many ppl on any PWI server that can surely claim that they had PvP fight over minutes while no one ever moved cept through skills? Those are player that a common one should fear no matter what class they are because (and that makes me really happy) with all that gear avaible and anyone getting the chance of getting nice gears finally those **** just-cash-no-brain players get their butts kicked hard time^^ We are few but constantly rising in numbers =P
Roll the class u like the most. I played all Classes way through level 101 and I have to admitt that mystics were fun sure thing but playing Cleric to the extend was by far the most fun I had with all caster-classes^^ But I guess U'll find all situations like "W00t I just 80k critted a full r9rere cast barb to death with my Wizard (I did and it was no prob on my wiz =P ofc not)" amusing and overwhelming (:
If you're somewhat skilled roll a Cleric or a Wizard just because they own a little more if you know what you're doing =P[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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All decently geared and skilled (: .
And the most important thing is: They are all fun to play ^.^ .
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Joe - Momaganon wrote: »Like some stated before, no class does really suck, some just got something special that pushes them a little over the other classes, but do not worry. Play the class that you find the most interesting and that you enjoy the most. The most ppl don't know how to play anyways and ofc that's my fault I always state PvP situations where I think that both players know the max of their chars and are able to throw out anything to prevent death until everythin even MP and HP pots are in Cooldown...have you guys met so many ppl on any PWI server that can surely claim that they had PvP fight over minutes while no one ever moved cept through skills? Those are player that a common one should fear no matter what class they are because (and that makes me really happy) with all that gear avaible and anyone getting the chance of getting nice gears finally those **** just-cash-no-brain players get their butts kicked hard time^^ We are few but constantly rising in numbers =P
Roll the class u like the most. I played all Classes way through level 101 and I have to admitt that mystics were fun sure thing but playing Cleric to the extend was by far the most fun I had with all caster-classes^^ But I guess U'll find all situations like "W00t I just 80k critted a full r9rere cast barb to death with my Wizard (I did and it was no prob on my wiz =P ofc not)" amusing and overwhelming (:
If you're somewhat skilled roll a Cleric or a Wizard just because they own a little more if you know what you're doing =P
Dude, not to long ago you said mystic suck at pvp and i am better of making a cleric or veno...0 -
Mystic obviously the old classes dont even come close to comparing with any of the new classes in survivability/damage mystic's noob lvl1-20 skills they have hit just as hard as veno'
s cleric's skills they can't learn till 60 cultivation and as well as it has shorter cast times and is pretty much spammable0 -
Sarrafeline - Sanctuary wrote: »
Mystic is sort of a mix of Veno and Cleric. Of the 3, Mystic probably can do higher damage over time, but... for PVP they are squishy as hell.
What? Im far being squishy lol... Mystics are one of the more resilient AA classes...youre dead wrong.0 -
OmniX - Heavens Tear wrote: »What? Im far being squishy lol... Mystics are one of the more resilient AA classes...youre dead wrong.
^ That.
Wizz > Mystic > Cleric > Veno (human form), psychic.
Mystic is second place compare to a Veno in human form, so yea people saying Mystic are the most weak AA class obviously never played a mystic. Veno fox form is for debuff and melee damage, but in human form as caster Veno have **** def.
Against melee class all AA are kinda squishy, against other AA, Veno is more easy to kill than Mystic for Psy and Wizz, for a cleric it's more easy to kill a Veno in human form than a Mystic.
Veno are a melee/caster class, fox form is their melee form, yes in fox form they have better p.def than Mystic, but put the Veno in his caster human form, they are more squishy than Mystic.
So for me people saying Veno in fox form have better p.def than other caster class just cheat using their melee side to compare with caster. A caster veno will be in human form majority of the time (except to purge and amp) which in that case they have the lowest p.def of all caster with Psy. A veno in fox form majority of the time consider them self as a melee class which for me at that point should not even be compare with caster class for the p.def point.
Veno don't stop to ask to have BP and claw cause they are melee class too, so to say they have better p.def than other caster class in fox form is hypocrite and it's like compare oranges with apples. If Veno want to compare with other caster class fine, but do it in your caster form which is human form and in human form Veno is the most squishy class in all caster.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands wrote: »^ That.
Wizz > Mystic > Cleric > Veno (human form), psychic.
Mystic is second place compare to a Veno in human form, so yea people saying Mystic are the most weak AA class obviously never played a mystic. Veno fox form is for debuff and melee damage, but in human form as caster Veno have **** def.
Against melee class all AA are kinda squishy, against other AA, Veno is more easy to kill than Mystic for Psy and Wizz, for a cleric it's more easy to kill a Veno in human form than a Mystic.
Veno are a melee/caster class, fox form is their melee form, yes in fox form they have better p.def than Mystic, but put the Veno in his caster human form, they are more squishy than Mystic.
So for me people saying Veno in fox form have better p.def than other caster class just cheat using their melee side to compare with caster. A caster veno will be in human form majority of the time (except to purge and amp) which in that case they have the lowest p.def of all caster with Psy. A veno in fox form majority of the time consider them self as a melee class which for me at that point should not even be compare with caster class for the p.def point.
Veno don't stop to ask to have BP and claw cause they are melee class too, so to say they have better p.def than other caster class in fox form is hypocrite and it's like compare oranges with apples. If Veno want to compare with other caster class fine, but do it in your caster form which is human form and in human form Veno is the most squishy class in all caster.
Uhhh... against melee classes, venoes can revert to fox form to tank damage, and purge, amp, fossilized curse ect. How is this comparing apples to oranges? It's a skill set... if you are a knowledgeable veno, you know when to use caster form or fox form. And how are venoes the easiest to kill for AA? We have the highest HP of all arcane, great defense skills such has blazing barrier and bramblehood, and great control skills in bewitch and the 4 sec stun with only 12 sec cooldown. And lastly, we have purge. And there is the myriad skills. Ever want to oneshot a full JOSD r9r3+12 barb by yourself XD Eitherway, my priority lists for arcanes goes like Wiz/Psy/Veno/Cleric/Mystic. Cleric goes to the top in TW. Have only gotten killed twice in like 10 weeks of NW by a mystic. Mostly just die to archer, lol0 -
MiniST - Sanctuary wrote: »Uhhh... against melee classes, venoes can revert to fox form to tank damage, and purge, amp, fossilized curse ect. How is this comparing apples to oranges? It's a skill set... if you are a knowledgeable veno, you know when to use caster form or fox form. And how are venoes the easiest to kill for AA? We have the highest HP of all arcane, great defense skills such has blazing barrier and bramblehood, and great control skills in bewitch and the 4 sec stun with only 12 sec cooldown. And lastly, we have purge. And there is the myriad skills. Ever want to oneshot a full JOSD r9r3+12 barb by yourself XD Eitherway, my priority lists for arcanes goes like Wiz/Psy/Veno/Cleric/Mystic. Cleric goes to the top in TW. Have only gotten killed twice in like 10 weeks of NW by a mystic. Mostly just die to archer, lol
Mystics on your server must be terrible. Come to HT ill gladly wipe the floor with your lil fox tail. I also have a veno....the damage output of a veno doesnt compare to a mystic or a cleric in ultra metal mage mode or maybe even regular. Venos are a defensive class made to survive and debuff rather than attack...i love playing my veno, but you are so confused with the abilities of a veno. Granted that sage venos have the best spark of all classes, a veno cast so slow that sparking is usually not possible if in fact youre doing what your supposed to be doing as a veno. Even if you just sit there and spam skills, youll never deal as much damage as a mystic. There just happens to be a full DoT +12 R9 veno on HT i dont know if she has upgraded yet....but her damage isnt even that more significant with al DoT shards. And how did you end with a priority list? priority to what? to debuff? because youre not dealing damage by debuffing. This thread is about constant dps of the three classes listed...you seem to have gone on some crazy tangent adding debuffs and cc's of a veno0 -
OmniX - Heavens Tear wrote: »Mystics on your server must be terrible. Come to HT ill gladly wipe the floor with your lil fox tail. I also have a veno....the damage output of a veno doesnt compare to a mystic or a cleric in ultra metal mage mode or maybe even regular. Venos are a defensive class made to survive and debuff rather than attack...i love playing my veno, but you are so confused with the abilities of a veno. Granted that sage venos have the best spark of all classes, a veno cast so slow that sparking is usually not possible if in fact youre doing what your supposed to be doing as a veno. Even if you just sit there and spam skills, youll never deal as much damage as a mystic. There just happens to be a full DoT +12 R9 veno on HT i dont know if she has upgraded yet....but her damage isnt even that more significant with al DoT shards. And how did you end with a priority list? priority to what? to debuff? because youre not dealing damage by debuffing. This thread is about constant dps of the three classes listed...you seem to have gone on some crazy tangent adding debuffs and cc's of a veno
You know you just contradicted your self. What does debuffing do? Let's answer that question before you confuse yourself again, lol. And the part about constant dps, when has this thread become one about constant dps? The guy asked a vague question about damage dealing... And how are u gonna kill me with a mystic? All the situation is gonna end up with me buffed with about 20k hp and you unbuffed with about 14k max theoretically at full r9r3+12 full JOSD.0 -
MiniST - Sanctuary wrote: »You know you just contradicted your self. What does debuffing do? Let's answer that question before you confuse yourself again, lol. And the part about constant dps, when has this thread become one about constant dps? The guy asked a vague question about damage dealing... And how are u gonna kill me with a mystic? All the situation is gonna end up with me buffed with about 20k hp and you unbuffed with about 14k max theoretically at full r9r3+12 full JOSD.
Read the last sentence of the paragraph i quoted that you wrote. Do you read your own stuff before you click send? Youre all over the place...youre confusing yourself and spilling theoretical BS all over. The question wasnt vague at all. He asked which is a better DD? seems pretty straight forward o.O?0 -
MiniST - Sanctuary wrote: »You know you just contradicted your self. What does debuffing do? Let's answer that question before you confuse yourself again, lol. And the part about constant dps, when has this thread become one about constant dps? The guy asked a vague question about damage dealing... And how are u gonna kill me with a mystic? All the situation is gonna end up with me buffed with about 20k hp and you unbuffed with about 14k max theoretically at full r9r3+12 full JOSD.
NV + Absorb Soul, to say the least...
Also good luck killing a skilled mystic with equal gears before they kill you.0 -
MiniST - Sanctuary wrote: »You know you just contradicted your self. What does debuffing do? Let's answer that question before you confuse yourself again, lol. And the part about constant dps, when has this thread become one about constant dps? The guy asked a vague question about damage dealing... And how are u gonna kill me with a mystic? All the situation is gonna end up with me buffed with about 20k hp and you unbuffed with about 14k max theoretically at full r9r3+12 full JOSD.
Both mystic and veno deal wood damage, but mystic have way higher wood defense than veno. A skilled mystic will beat the veno.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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