Mystic, Veno or Cleric Damage comparison?

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  • tweakz
    tweakz Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Rerum - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Venos deal far less damage overall, but are far more resourceful... where do I start:

    This is a misconception I've been battling for years now that venomancers have used to justify vit builds.
    Venos have two anti stuns, two amplify damage skills, two skills that can reduce your def/mdef to 0, a wood debuff on their basic attack, a nasty channeling and antiaps debuff, a quick burst of speed skill, a mini ironguard skill, the ability to swap MP for HP when HP runs low and viceversa, massive hp/mp healing skills, bramble, a 75% damage reduction skill, the pet that also has stun by itself that you can trigger even if you are stunned/disabled.

    Sage veno eruption: 900% weap dmg compared to 700%, chance for extra chi on spam skill, + fast ch/casting skills. Mystic, and Wizards are also intended for and valued as tanks; clerics as healers w/o an exlusive defense buff; while a Veno alone can build for even better dd and still be viable.
    Among the ones you mentioned Cleric is the heaviest Magic Damage Dealer with a increased critical debuff,

    15% more crit sustainable isn't close to 30% amp for 2/3 of the time. You also have the issue of: What of 2 clerics in squad? 2 venos can take turn amping, another cleric isn't going to benefit from MoW. There's also a great chance that Assassins and Archers will be achieving close to 100% crit (which you can't go past).

    My cleric, wiz, and mystic are on the same account and share equips making it fairly easy to compare these 3 objectively. You could also use wc requests to compare objectively. There are 2 classes that people don't want more than one of for RB. -One of them is cleric! BH Metal, and fire are also typically is run with a single cleric. When Caster was popular and my Cleric has UV; I was thankfully asked to switch a few times to mystic or veno to make the runs take half the time.

    Cleric are great for buffs, and res, but they are not known as great dd even with UV.
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  • Lyritha - Heavens Tear
    Lyritha - Heavens Tear Posts: 447 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Kniraven - Lost City wrote: »
    So, what you are saying is that well geared players don't fight each other, they just camp low levels, and that furthermore Mystics are an exception to this rule and they die more often than they kill things because everyone who plays is a Mystic is an honorable and kind person.



    It doesn't. This is an off topic argument started many pages ago. Best DPS class of the 3 is cleric.

    You cannot judge each individual player based on statistics. Statistics mean nothing as they do not give a judgement for a individual player and should not be used to make assumptions about you playing the class.
  • Chigenkaiona - Dreamweaver
    Chigenkaiona - Dreamweaver Posts: 756 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    K/D ratio still favors Venos and Clerics above Mystic even if all older toons from the game were disqualified. There is no Mystic on any server at all with a high enough K/D ratio to even make it on the All Class list.

    I've played Veno and Mystic classes as rank 9. Ep is only NV but meh.

    Who here believes he utterly failed at playing R9 mystic right? I think this guy has an FC baby mystic he farmed with $$ with complete R9 included.
  • Kniraven - Lost City
    Kniraven - Lost City Posts: 2,620 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Lyritha - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    You cannot judge each individual player based on statistics. Statistics mean nothing as they do not give a judgement for a individual player and should not be used to make assumptions about you playing the class.

    I was not comparing individuals.
    I was comparing everyone in the game that plays those classes.
    Chigenkaiona - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Who here believes he utterly failed at playing R9 mystic right? I think this guy has an FC baby mystic he farmed with $$ with complete R9 included.
    What does my Mystic have to do with anything? You don't even read the meat of what I write. You try to find really incompetent ways to insult me.
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  • Toomaga - Heavens Tear
    Toomaga - Heavens Tear Posts: 221 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Kniraven - Lost City wrote: »
    You're an idiot. The post right before yours proves Venos do better than Mystics in pvp on every single server.

    I suppose you had no reason to insult anyone either right :(?
  • Chigenkaiona - Dreamweaver
    Chigenkaiona - Dreamweaver Posts: 756 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Kniraven - Lost City wrote: »
    I was not comparing individuals.
    I was comparing everyone in the game that plays those classes.

    What does my Mystic have to do with anything? You don't even read the meat of what I write. You try to find really incompetent ways to insult me.

    Everything you say is trash at this point. You don't know mystics true potential, and you believe PVP rankings is the only thing needed to prove it. Your just a stupid brainless troll at this point who has no idea what they are talking about. Your seriously dissing mystics because of a PVP page. And you have your facts all wrong about everything. Clerics are not the best DPS or DPH, venos are not the best PVP'rs. Everyone knows mystics cast way fast without channeling gear, and have the better advantage.
  • SylenThunder - Twilight Temple
    SylenThunder - Twilight Temple Posts: 7,908
    edited January 2013
    Ok, read the first few pages, skipped the last few pages of off-topic and completely irrelevant rants of Kniraven.....

    My main characters are a 100 Cleric, a 98 Veno, a 96 Seeker, and a 92 barb.
    My alts are a 80 Wizard, three Psy's ranging from 68-74, a 64 Mystic, and a BM for which I forget the level because I haven't played it in so long because it's freaking boring.

    As for the Cleric vs, veno... Similarly equipped, the Cleric will deal more damage in a fight. My 98 Veno hits as hard as my cleric did in his mid-80's. (And gear comparison isn't an issue because it's all hand-me-downs from my cleric.) Both are pure builds, so again, there is no discrepancy in the comparison. It's not a huge margin of difference, but even counting the available debuffs for both classes, and not counting any Morai skills, the Cleric wins.

    But then we look at the Mystic....
    Playing my Mystic I have noticed something. Skills and channel times are very similar in damage as the Psy. (Which currently, if we compare all classes with similar gear, is the class with the absolute highest DPH in the game atm.) Given the additional use of debuffs, AS'es ability to ignore just about any defenses, and the added skills of pets and the use of plants... the Mystic is the obvious winner of the three.

    Also note, the Psy and the Mystic get a better return on equipment boosts like Garnet Shards than the older magic classes do, which gives them a slightly increased survive-ability.
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  • Kniraven - Lost City
    Kniraven - Lost City Posts: 2,620 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Toomaga - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    I suppose you had no reason to insult anyone either right :(?

    I don't mind being insulted. I mind being quoted with the majority of the quote being totally irrelevant to what the person posted.
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  • WnbTank - Archosaur
    WnbTank - Archosaur Posts: 1,472 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    You are trying to compare a class thats been out for ~5 years to a class thats been out for ~1 year... in terms of absolute kills? Average that out and you'll see mystics gets more kills per year then venos. By rankings... the top mystic has 6k kills and the top veno has 12.5k kills. That might sound impressive... until the non idiots realize that venos has been around for ~3 times the amount of time that mystics has... and yet only have ~2 times more kills.

    Regarding the k/d ratio... a lot of the veno (especially veno from the old days) are skewed toward the high end. Reason being that their nix's bleed was extremely powerful during 5x-9x period (nix was first released when the server was starting to see 6x players) . And unlike today, back in the days it took a good part of a whole year to level to 9x... and during that time a nix could bleed any non heavy armor to death. And since the nix is doing all the work... the veno itself can stay relatively safe. Now that everyone is geared up... nix is no longer an issue (more like an annoyance at best), the venos actually have to do more work to get that kill... and of course put themselves in the line of fire.

    FACT: Before easy access to gears... most of the gear dependent dds' k/d is pinned under 2.0... whiles venos has easy access to the 3+. I think my was 2.2 at anni pack release... simply its impractical to survive a nix bleed in pk/tw.... especially before 9x. I think at 9x I was able to survive a bleed if I double pot. After the gear release and nix becoming a nonfactor... my k/d in notable tws easily surpasses 5... and now with more readily access to defense options (genies/def charm/better pots) my nation war k/d can very well be 40/1 at times and contribution well north of 15k.

    I heart you. That is what`s been annoying me while reading this thread, now that I got back home after hours of being gone. You did forget few things why rankings, the K/D ratio is messed up.

    Veno being original class, when the new venos came, they were on equal playing field. When mystics got released, they had no experience with the class, when their opponents did with their class. The startup phase is stacked up against new classes and that hurts K/D ratio till new class gets experience.

    I do find it surprising how many seekers there is on K/D rankings, though mostly it`s newer servers where seekers have more ppl on top10 K/D. There is exception of most servers having 1 or 2 seekers high on K/D rankings. But when we look the K/D rankings inside seekers, we can see how most of those are actually on EU servers(11/30), which makes no sense as those are by far smallest servers. Add 2 newer NA servers(9/30) and we get majority on rankings with maybe one forth of playerbase.

    I suspect there is few more reasons for this, part of which should explain the seeker K/D. When EG came out, it was more likely for "successful" toons to stick as mains while people who didnt manage to gear/learn the class re-rolled. Trying not to offend anyone but on older servers average veno isnt only more experienced on their class but flat out better player in this game. And like usually, older toons tend to be more geared.

    Fact is, there is a lot of factors explaining difference between mystic and veno, none of which has anything to do with PvP abilities of said classes.

    Edit: Old saying goes, Lie < huge lie < statistics.
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  • MiniST - Sanctuary
    MiniST - Sanctuary Posts: 604 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Chigenkaiona - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Everything you say is trash at this point. You don't know mystics true potential, and you believe PVP rankings is the only thing needed to prove it. Your just a stupid brainless troll at this point who has no idea what they are talking about. Your seriously dissing mystics because of a PVP page. And you have your facts all wrong about everything. Clerics are not the best DPS or DPH, venos are not the best PVP'rs. Everyone knows mystics cast way fast without channeling gear, and have the better advantage.

    All you have been saying is blah blah blah mystics are better blah blah blah without anything statement to back up your claim. This is like the evolution vs creationism debate. All you got the is the creationism's "everything that the opposition is a lie and cannot be true" and nothing of your own. At least he has the ranking page as support. What do you have? "Derp, the ranking page is a lie derp derp"... At least come up with your own claims and backings...
  • Toomaga - Heavens Tear
    Toomaga - Heavens Tear Posts: 221 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    MiniST - Sanctuary wrote: »
    All you have been saying is blah blah blah mystics are better blah blah blah without anything statement to back up your claim. This is like the evolution vs creationism debate. All you got the is the creationism's "everything that the opposition is a lie and cannot be true" and nothing of your own. At least he has the ranking page as support. What do you have? "Derp, the ranking page is a lie derp derp"... At least come up with your own claims and backings...

    Well at the moment he is trying to argue that Kniraven is not producing any real facts to back up his theory. Though I am sure I remember there being a thread of Mystic damage potential with actual numbers and calculations, I can try and find it.
  • Kniraven - Lost City
    Kniraven - Lost City Posts: 2,620 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Toomaga - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Well at the moment he is trying to argue that Kniraven is not producing any real facts to back up his theory.

    Please paraphrase his argument for me; with citations.
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  • Toomaga - Heavens Tear
    Toomaga - Heavens Tear Posts: 221 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Kniraven - Lost City wrote: »
    Please paraphrase his argument for me; with citations.

    I think it would be much better if he stated it clearly, with less ranting himself. I don't want to put words in his mouthb:chuckle. (But honestly it seems at the moment he is trying to argue that your not showing any evidence to support your theory. That is just my opinion).
  • Chigenkaiona - Dreamweaver
    Chigenkaiona - Dreamweaver Posts: 756 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Toomaga - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Well at the moment he is trying to argue that Kniraven is not producing any real facts to back up his theory. Though I am sure I remember there being a thread of Mystic damage potential with actual numbers and calculations, I can try and find it.

    He gets my point^

    Kniraven is making statements out of thin air. Since when do clerics out-DD a mystic? Since when does 1 class automatically become better then another? Last I checked everyones playstyle is different, and makes them individually better then another. Please cite your sources Kniraven. PVP rankings page don't count as mystic is too too young to be counted vs a beginning class like veno.
  • Kniraven - Lost City
    Kniraven - Lost City Posts: 2,620 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Toomaga - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    I think it would be much better if he stated it clearly, with less ranting himself. I don't want to put words in his mouthb:chuckle. (But honestly it seems at the moment he is trying to argue that your not showing any evidence to support your theory. That is just my opinion).
    No, I am pretty sure he is just a moron.
    WnbTank - Archosaur wrote: »
    Veno being original class, when the new venos came, they were on equal playing field. When mystics got released, they had no experience with the class, when their opponents did with their class. The startup phase is stacked up against new classes and that hurts K/D ratio till new class gets experience.

    I do find it surprising how many seekers there is on K/D rankings, though mostly it`s newer servers where seekers have more ppl on top10 K/D. There is exception of most servers having 1 or 2 seekers high on K/D rankings. But when we look the K/D rankings inside seekers, we can see how most of those are actually on EU servers(11/30), which makes no sense as those are by far smallest servers. Add 2 newer NA servers(9/30) and we get majority on rankings with maybe one forth of playerbase.

    I suspect there is few more reasons for this, part of which should explain the seeker K/D. When EG came out, it was more likely for "successful" toons to stick as mains while people who didnt manage to gear/learn the class re-rolled. Trying not to offend anyone but on older servers average veno isnt only more experienced on their class but flat out better player in this game. And like usually, older toons tend to be more geared.

    Fact is, there is a lot of factors explaining difference between mystic and veno, none of which has anything to do with PvP abilities of said classes.

    Edit: Old saying goes, Lie < huge lie < statistics.
    These are good arguments. I will accept those as reasons why the stats might be unreliable.
    Chigenkaiona - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    He gets my point^

    This guy is making statements out of thin air. Since when do clerics out-DD a mystic? Since when does 1 class automatically become better then another? Last I checked everyones playstyle is different, and makes them individually better then another. Please cite your sources Kniraven. PVP rankings page don't count as mystic is too too young to be counted vs a beginning class like veno.

    Yep, definitely a moron.
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  • Chigenkaiona - Dreamweaver
    Chigenkaiona - Dreamweaver Posts: 756 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Explain this:
    Kniraven - Lost City wrote: »
    I was not comparing individuals.
    I was comparing everyone in the game that plays those classes.

    By this, you mean that every mystic sucks completely and venos/clerics don't stand a chance against them to every single mystic on all servers. I know many mystics that can and have proven the complete opposite. So please elaborate more on this post...
  • Kniraven - Lost City
    Kniraven - Lost City Posts: 2,620 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Chigenkaiona - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Explain this:



    By this, you mean that every mystic sucks completely and venos/clerics don't stand a chance against them to every single mystic on all servers. I know many mystics that can and have proven the complete opposite. So please elaborate more on this post...
    That means that assuming Mystic, Cleric, and Veno all have the same gear and are played by players of completely equal skill, the Venomancer has an advantage over the other two.

    The way you interpreted it is ridiculous.
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  • Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands
    Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands Posts: 7,231 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Kniraven - Lost City wrote: »
    That means that assuming Mystic, Cleric, and Veno all have the same gear and are played by players of completely equal skill, the Venomancer has an advantage over the other two.

    The way you interpreted it is ridiculous.

    That really seems to depend of the server, cause seriously I take a lot of veno down that have similar gears than me and play since more long them me their class. I don't even play mystic since a year and I consider myself everything, but not pro in PvP/NW/TW and veno are a joke for me to kill. (veno with similar gears than me)

    Than again I didn't fight every single veno on HL. So I can't assume 100% of them suck, but in a majority veno are easy to take down for mystic.

    Also take in consideration there's a lot of mystics that don't have their skills 100, on my server I think we are 2 to have Weeping Breeze Dance which is the skill dealing the highest damage for mystic and also decrease the max hp, not every mystic have lucky break as well.
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  • Apostasy - Raging Tide
    Apostasy - Raging Tide Posts: 1,197 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    lol... this thread is still going... guess i was right *oh psy* b:cute
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  • Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands
    Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands Posts: 7,231 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Apostasy - Raging Tide wrote: »
    lol... this thread is still going... guess i was right *oh psy* b:cute

    Well the second you put the words mystic and venomancer in the same sentence you can expect that. xD
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  • Kniraven - Lost City
    Kniraven - Lost City Posts: 2,620 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands wrote: »
    That really seems to depend of the server, cause seriously I take a lot of veno down that have similar gears than me and play since more long them me their class. I don't even play mystic since a year and I consider myself everything, but not pro in PvP/NW/TW and veno are a joke for me to kill. (veno with similar gears than me)

    Than again I didn't fight every single veno on HL. So I can't assume 100% of them suck, but in a majority veno are easy to take down for mystic.

    Also take in consideration there's a lot of mystics that don't have their skills 100, on my server I think we are 2 to have Weeping Breeze Dance which is the skill dealing the highest damage for mystic and also decrease the max hp, not every mystic have lucky break as well.

    That's nifty. I'm glad you know how to kill stuff. Kind of irrelevant though.
    On your server as well as every other Mystics die more often than they manage to kill other players. But, I've already said and proven that at least 30 times by now. I'm just not going to reply to any more irrelevant posts where people quote me and it in no way has any baring on what I said.

    WnbTank - Archosaur made some good points though, one of like three people who responded intelligently. So, I will concede that my previous argument has flaws.
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  • tweakz
    tweakz Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands wrote: »
    Also take in consideration there's a lot of mystics that don't have their skills 100, on my server I think we are 2 to have Weeping Breeze Dance which is the skill dealing the highest damage for mystic and also decrease the max hp, not every mystic have lucky break as well.

    Decreasing max HP is only useful when soloing high HP bosses. Too many other classes have better HP debuff like sage veno 20%, Archer 15-20%, Sage Assassin 10%, Seekers ability to transfer HP debuff from a boss, etc. I wouldn't consider it highest dmg for the HP debuff.
    Weeping Breeze Dance wrote:
    Deals a Wood damage equals to your basic Magic Attack
    plus 250% Weapon Attack plus 3500. Reduces target's
    Max HP by 8% for 8 seconds.

    Absorb Soul wrote:
    Deal 125% of your base magic damage and an additional 2900 damage as Non-Elemental damage to players.
    Deal 200% of your base magic damage and an additional 5800 damage as Non-Elemental damage to monsters.

    The skill cannot land a critical hit, but has three times your critical hit chance of dealing 1.3x damage.

    Note that Absorb's multiplier is on base magic damage while WBD multiplies on the much weaker weapon attack. It could be an error in translation, and I haven't really played around with it much, or looked for dmg numbers. It's often hard to discern AS's dmg as is.

    and then we have this:
    Absorb Soul will deal double damage to a target
    affected by this status effect.

    Also, what other class can erupt, and AoE with 100% crit for AoE dmg, or for that matter combine it with 2 other AoEs in the time it takes others for 1?
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  • Chigenkaiona - Dreamweaver
    Chigenkaiona - Dreamweaver Posts: 756 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    I understand what your saying now, but then it all comes down to your style of gameplay. On my server, we have kick-*** mystics that kill a lot of people in NW, so perhaps it's something on your server. But from what I have noticed, a lot of people are dissing(by leaving standards) all classes more and more for Psy/Archer/Barb(very few tho) in NW. I truly don't see much venos/mystics/clerics anymore as I used to when NW started. You have to realize when it comes down to equal gear, one person may be better then the other because their skill combo got the other first, same form stun locking goes. You didn't prove anything for "all server" because you haven't personally experienced the mystics on my server, they are very powerful and scary in NW.
  • Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands
    Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands Posts: 7,231 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    tweakz wrote: »
    Decreasing max HP is only useful when soloing high HP bosses. Too many other classes have better HP debuff like sage veno 20%, Archer 15-20%, Sage Assassin 10%, Seekers ability to transfer HP debuff from a boss, etc. I wouldn't consider it highest dmg for the HP debuff.

    Majority of veno use amp over that. (to be honest there's never have been a veno on HL that used it on me)

    I was speaking more for veno vs mystic on 1v1.
    tweakz wrote: »
    Note that Absorb's multiplier is on base magic damage while WBD multiplies on the much weaker weapon attack. It could be an error in translation, and I haven't really played around with it much, or looked for dmg numbers. It's often hard to discern AS's dmg as is.

    and then we have this:

    ''Absorb Soul will deal double damage to a target
    affected by this status effect.''

    I mean as magic damage, but ye AS against some class can do more damage.
    tweakz wrote: »
    Also, what other class can erupt, and AoE with 100% crit for AoE dmg, or for that matter combine it with 2 other AoEs in the time it takes others for 1?

    Not sure what you mean with that.
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  • MiniST - Sanctuary
    MiniST - Sanctuary Posts: 604 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    I was just rereading a thread earlier. They say they can hit 15k on a r9r3 AA character with NV+Soul Absorb? First of all soul absorb is a 5 sec channeling, who the hell is gonna wait for u for 5 secs... Let's just say u used 0 channeling for the sake of it. Let's say you hit a crit (1.3x damage), so 2.6x damage on 125% base magic damage +2900. I don't remember triple sparked exact number for mystic but for sage veno r9r3+12, the high end is 60k for demon spark. So, let's give you that, but it should be somewhat lower since patakas have the highest high end attack. On the veno side, full r9r3 with ring and shet has a base magic defense of 18k to 20k or about 80% damage reduction, buffed it's up to 28.8k and 87.8% damage reduction. (60k*1.25+2900)*2.6*1.25*1.2(extreme poison) *(0.25)*(0.122)= 7.72k damage max. or a little less than 10k for unbuffed(which is about equal damage to g16 AA buffed).
  • Chigenkaiona - Dreamweaver
    Chigenkaiona - Dreamweaver Posts: 756 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    MiniST - Sanctuary wrote: »
    They say they can hit 15k on a r9r3 AA character with NV+Soul Absorb? First of all soul absorb is a 5 sec channeling

    My friend uses rapid growth to cast it instantly and kill. Says she pulls it off nicely.
  • Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands
    Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands Posts: 7,231 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Chigenkaiona - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    My friend uses rapid growth to cast it instantly and kill. Says she pulls it off nicely.

    RG give 20% more chan, not a insta chan.
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  • Toomaga - Heavens Tear
    Toomaga - Heavens Tear Posts: 221 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    MiniST - Sanctuary wrote: »
    I was just rereading a thread earlier. They say they can hit 15k on a r9r3 AA character with NV+Soul Absorb? First of all soul absorb is a 5 sec channeling, who the hell is gonna wait for u for 5 secs... Let's just say u used 0 channeling for the sake of it. Let's say you hit a crit (1.3x damage), so 2.6x damage on 125% base magic damage +2900. I don't remember triple sparked exact number for mystic but for sage veno r9r3+12, the high end is 60k for demon spark. So, let's give you that, but it should be somewhat lower since patakas have the highest high end attack. On the veno side, full r9r3 with ring and shet has a base magic defense of 18k to 20k or about 80% damage reduction, buffed it's up to 28.8k and 87.8% damage reduction. (60k*1.25+2900)*2.6*1.25*1.2(extreme poison) *(0.25)*(0.122)= 7.72k damage max. or a little less than 10k for unbuffed(which is about equal damage to g16 AA buffed).

    Well first of all if you want to be realistic. Most mystics that actually have PvP experience would have figured out by now NV+AS is going to be a very iffy combo unless they are catching someone off guard or in group PvP. I think a more intelligent approach would be NV+Sleep Plant+Lyse+RG+AS in a 1v1 scenario for example. This actually works very nicely if you want to go for a charm bypass on an AA. And lets not forget even if the AA is s39 and the Mystic is s3r9, AS ignores defense levels.
  • Chigenkaiona - Dreamweaver
    Chigenkaiona - Dreamweaver Posts: 756 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands wrote: »
    RG give 20% more chan, not a insta chan.

    With other -chan bonuses it goes out fast. + devil stun to buy the extra few seconds.
  • MiniST - Sanctuary
    MiniST - Sanctuary Posts: 604 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Toomaga - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Well first of all if you want to be realistic. Most mystics that actually have PvP experience would have figured out by now NV+AS is going to be a very iffy combo unless they are catching someone off guard or in group PvP. I think a more intelligent approach would be NV+Sleep Plant+Lyse+RG+AS in a 1v1 scenario for example. This actually works very nicely if you want to go for a charm bypass on an AA. And lets not forget even if the AA is s39 and the Mystic is s3r9, AS ignores defense levels.

    AS ignores both defense and attack levels. It would be better if it didn't since most people have way more attack levels. Well, my point was 21.7k (recalced, but this is maximum stats on armor, so it should be about 500 hp lower for average armor) hp vs 7.72k damage, the post said they can whittle down the veno's hp and hit with 15k.

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